Consider yourself a medieval ruler. The Mongols are on the move, according to reports. What would you do to keep them away?
Consider yourself a medieval ruler. The Mongols are on the move, according to reports.
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Send some peasants into the hills with big metal drums to make thunder noises
Pay them off and negotiate in good faith
Im not sending them away
They can fuck my wife daughter sister son me whatever, I'm not becoming a table stool
Learn how mamluks, hungarians, vietnamese, indians beated them and start to make an alliances and built a gigapropaganda that mongols are actually demons so there is nothing bad about genociding them entirely and that we must unite to destroy them etc....
lmao hungarians got ass raped hard by the mongols
there was first one too
There were more wars. The Mongols actually reached Austria and Germany, btfo'd the HRE's army, and then left because their emperor died and it was customary to stop fighting during such an event
That was before the second invasion of hungary you retard
>literally only Nogai ulus (not even full Golden Horde)
Mongols got assraped during the second invasion of hungary
they learnt the lessons from the first invasion, second time the mongols got completely destroyed
>inb4 no true mongolman
beat the Mongol rearguard after Hulagu himself had left the scene to go to the kurultai
Got ass raped along with the Poles by Subutai.
Climate and terrain.
Climate and terrain as well. Also Turks and later on Mughals.
Got any other great examples or are we done here?
Hungarians destroyed the mongols in the second invasion you homosexual
You are just coping that the empire you fanboy over just got beated multiple times
>muh turks and mughals
We talking about mongols here you retard
>mamluks only beat the mongol rearguard
You know that mongols and mamluks waged war for over a century ? And that mamluks won almost the entirety of these war
>muh second invasion
The first one would have prevented that had Ogedei cut back on his drinking.
Great 1 century war (more like 30 years) against an enemy that had to fight on 2 fronts and a thousand miles away from his home base.
>muh Turks and Mughals are not real Mongols
Splitting hairs. Also my climate and terrain point still stands.
Cope and cope and cope
I accept your concession.
keep crying nothing will change that the hungarians, egyptians, vietnamese, japanese, indonesian and hindu defeated the mongols
Got a lucky break in 1241 when the Mongols left by choice and undefeated. They did use it well though.
Do you think the average Egyptian grain peasant armed with a pitchfork could defeat the Mongols? The Mamlukes were not "Egyptian". You're a historylet and you need to read more before posting nonsense and humiliating yourself.
Yeah, street shitters and cow urine drinkers were known for their martial prowess. Indians had been turk'd long before the Mongols showed up.
Tsunami. I guess you can say the weather beat the Mongols in this case.
Already covered, see previous comments.
Again, you're 100% wrong.
It was summoned by japanese prayers.
>It was summoned by japanese prayers.
trveblood jomon chads stay winning
Not disputing that. It took literally divine intervention to beat the Mongols.
Mamluks and turkics werent mongols either
Closer to Mongols than Arabs, North Africans, and Levantines.
Never talked about those people either
Who do you think inhabited Egypt and Syria at the time? Are we still talking about the Mamelukes or what?
I know that mameluks werent MENA people you damn retard
But they werent mongols either
Did I say they were Mongols? You're either a child or a moron.
Baibars's army was made up mostly of Egyptians and Syrians in the same way, although it hurts, Baibars was the sultan of Egypt, today he is still admired in the Middle East.
he was sold as a slave for them he had no love for them
for the case Baibars was a hapa born somewhere in the Ukraine
The core of Baibars' army was led and staffed mostly by Mamelukes, which means Kipchaks, Oghuz Turks, Circassians, Abkhazians etc. They did use local foot soldiers, but only as auxiliaries. As a matter of fact, they fought very much like the Mongols, with the addition of early hand cannon.
More to the point, the Mongols found themselves at a severe disadvantage due to the lack of pasture in the Levant. The 12-20 thousand Mongols left by Hulagu under Qitbuga would have required 60-100 thousand horses to operate efficiently. There wasn't enough pasture, so they had to decrease their presence. In short, their position was not logistically tenable due to lack of grass.
Mamluks didnt have pastures either
Mamelukes were operating much closer to their home base. The fact that they fielded a bigger army confirms this. In close quarters and outnumbered, the Mongols couldn't do much.
>Baibars's army was made up mostly of Egyptians and Syrians
Actually no, When Qutuz and Baibars rebelled against previous sultan they dismantled most of the mercenary forces of Ayyubid and kept only mamlukes who were recruited from kipchaks, sold into slavery by Golden Horde
Holy butthurt lol I didn't realize Mongol fanboys were the most easily triggered princesses in the history community.
>First invasion of Hungary
Happened, yes, Hungary still learned enough to fare better the next time around. That was the point being made. Stupid "kurultai" theory is just that, a theory, an excuse, and explanation. In other words, you're coping.
Yes, was ruled by Mamelukes. Mamelukes are not Mongols and they managed to repel Mongols, you are the one posting nonsense humiliating yourself. The army and ruling class were majority native Egyptian and Syrian as well as
Were not conquered by the Mongols despite Mongol efforts. Blame it on the climate and terrain all you want, it doesn't change the outcome. The argument is not that the Mongols weren't the premier fighting force of their time, the argument is that there were in fact ways to beat them despite that. The Hindus still managed to repel the Mongols, this is fact.
We're also helped by geography, yes, but once again the argument is not that the Japanese defeated them in pitched battle. As the screeching fanboy of an army renown for it's ability to avoid pitched battles and use cowardly, deceitful tactics to win at any means necessary, I would've thought you'd respected the asymmetry of warfare.
We're not conquered by the Mongols despite Mongolian efforts
It blows my mind someone could become so insolent because of the mere assertion that their favorite medieval fighting force had, at times, failed to complete it's objectives. Nobody is saying the Mongols weren't a serious, revolutionary fighting force, just that at times they had been repelled. This is a fucking fictional scenario for shits and giggles about how one could do that. No need to take it so personally. Now go finger your asshole to paintings of ghengis some more and make up some more imaginary reasons to cope with a handful of recorded losses
You're wrong in everything you posted, especially the Mamelukes and Egypt.
Cope, seethe, and dilate.
>a thousand miles away from his home base
That'd be a valid excuse if the Mongols hadn't been a thousand miles from home, looting and pillaging
They were subduing rebels as per the will of Genghis. But yeah, they should have stopped at the borders of the steppe. Anything beyond that could not be held even if conquered.
You got something against Babur, son of Timur, son of Temujin? Suck it hinpoo.
>son of Timur
That's Amir Timur to (you). Show some damn respect, the man fought hard for that title.
have carpenters start building wagons
Learn from the best European country.
Work with them
Build hundreds upon hundreds of castles.
If you're a feudal lord you don't have the funds to do that, you need to convince your hundreds of hundreds of retarded lordlets to use their money to build them.
Apparently Roman and Gothic women didn't like them at all. So I would unleash the Stacies on them in a strategic protracted femdom attack with manlet humiliation tactics on the front lines, income questions on the flanks.
call upon the mamelukes
imitate the Hungarians in every way build and improve castles, arm peasants, strengthen cavalry, recruit more soldiers and forge all kinds of alliances
Well that depends on the kingdom in question. Let's say I'm Poland. I would build tons of castles in Eastern Poland. I would arm all the peseants and have the train every weekend with formations. When the Mongols invade I would have formations of squares with archers in the middle. They eould work around and fight around the castles for support.
Depends on where I am. Some countries were just fucked and had no chance even in the best case scenario
Kill my wife
Kill my daughters
Sons and me go meet them in battle
1. Scorched earth. Burn all the grass and any plant/haystack that can be used as horse fodder.
2. Tell my people to get inside and help build/man hilltop fortresses
3. Instruct my army to split up and never give battle but fight them by ambushes and guerrilla tactics.
4. Set up a beacon system across the realm like the Byzantines did, so I can spot the invading army and predict its movement.
5. Focus on attacking their rearguard and camp, where all the camp followers and spare horses are.
cut trees and move stone to make the path hard to maneuver for horses
roll barrels of burning oil down the hills and launch oil and alcohol mixtures at them to explode
Have archers flank the sides and send my infantry of trained peasants to surround the scattering horde using pole-arms
release bulls as they flee and throw hornet nests and vipers at them
upon the hills I have men throw logs and rock down
Have my more elite soldiers pick them off from behind as they scatter from my perfect chaos.
Let the inside of my city become a large death trap while my people wonder away to a say place and will be called back when the fighting has stopped or eventually they will flee when realizing we've lost against the beastly mongols.
The only hope is to win with bizarre traps and tricks.
Invent the cross bow early and win easily
Their composite bows outrange your crossbow though. Not to mention that they move all over the battlefield and are therefore hard to hit.
I wouldn't do a single thing; I would listen to what the Mongols had to say, and that's what no one did
Also this. For the most part they were reasonable if walled cities surrendered and opened their gates.
Poison the wells, with dead israelites
Hire a shit-ton of pikemen, longbowmen, and crossbowmen. Foot archers will out shoot their horse archers, and the the pikemen will repel any charge.
Can you employ Vietnam's strategy anywhere in Europe to defeat the Mongols?
>Fuck off from the capital and literally let the Mongols take it but take or destroy everything so they can't loot it and resupply
>Harass them constantly by using guerrilla tactics, destroy roads to hinder the Mongols, take advantage of familiar terrain, and take out their supply lines
>Destroy the entire Mongol fleet by baiting their navy with a small flotilla into a river where the river recedes and the hidden stakes in the riverbed destroy all of the large Mongol warships while archers from the sides finish off the rest of the soldiers
It seems like a decent part of Vietnam's strategy was to destroy their own shit so that the Mongols couldn't use it. Foraging and raiding nearby villages and living off the land was a big part of the Mongols' success. And if you prevent them from doing that, it seems like you can have a shot at defeating them
I would do everything Bela IV did but with armchair historian hindsight bias.
1: Personally oversee the Cumans and keep them close in my entourage so they aren't ostracized. Use them primarily to scout, harass the Mongols and help revitalize the art of horse archery among Székely nobles.
2: Go through the expense of building fortifications out of stone, invite various western European experts to advise on how to do so quickly given limited resources.
3: Order Italian manufactured crossbows and invite Italian artisans. Flood the entire country with crossbows and teach every peasant with a pair of balls how to use one. Maybe even women who want to keep their ovaries untainted by rapist seed.
3: Have priests preach to the peasants that the way to defeat a horse archer is to stay in a fortified position and shoot back, every horse killed and every casualty is one more reason for them to pull back, every hour is an hour closer to dark. Make sure commoner infantry understand this. If you retreat their horses will simply cut you down like dogs. Drum it into their malnourished superstitious minds over and over. Shoot back, shoot back and shoot back. Distribute pavise shields also.
4: Mohi was a good strategy, poor execution. The goal is to close off choke points like river crossings. I'd keep my cavalry back. I would also drum my nobles into understanding that you only send the cavalry forwards at the end of the day. Charge at dusk, charge at dusk, charge at dusk. You get your glorious charge, but at dusk when their horses are exhausted, your own are fresh and night falls by the time your horses are exhausted.
5: Offer every baron the land of rivals who did not assist me as well as any land we manage to obtain in the east when we launch our counterattacks against the Mongols and their allies, create marcher lordships for the defense against the Mongols if they show dedication and competence complete with real privileges and a rise in station.
The power of shit. I would protect my fiefdom with endless shit. I would import shit from other places, so it became a stinking fetid epicentre of shit. The land would be covered in shit, everyone would be covered in shit. You'd be able to smell us from miles away, and we would attract collosal clouds of flies. We'd be so utterly repulsive that the Mongols simply wouldn't be interested.
Welp Time to become a mountain civilisation 🙂