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You are smart enough to solve this, right?
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In the box, because that’s where the ball is.
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Why would she look in the basket, scrotebrain? The ball obviously isn’t there.
The basket still has a cloth on it. She would remove the cloth and then check the box.
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She’ll look in the basket and the box.
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Why would she look in the basket, scrotebrain? The ball obviously isn’t there.
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Because it’s possible for the ball to be there, dumbass. Or did you assume too much from the bump in the third part?
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>it’s possible for the ball to be there
But it’s literally not there. The picture shows that it’s not there. Why would she look for the ball in a place where it isn’t?-
>Why would she look for the ball in a place where it isn’t?
Literally have a nice day either for assuming she knows it’s no longer in the basket or for being too stupid to think up funnier bait.-
Why would she think it’s in the basket? Is there any empirical evidence that it’s in the basket?
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I hope next time you cook your fat ass a microwave dinner, you wait five minutes and then go collect it from your toilet bowl.
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Sure, if there’s some empirical evidence to justify the belief that it’s in the toilet bowl.
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This. She has no peer reviewed studies suggesting it is in the basket.
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>leave’s ball in basket and walks away
>walks back to come grab the ball"Where will sally look for the ball?"
>looks at the basket for the ball>oh no! there’s no ball there!
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>But it’s literally not there. The picture shows that it’s not there. Why would she look for the ball in a place where it isn’t?
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Where will Sally look, not where will YOU look after knowing the context and clues of the empty basket already, scrotebrain.
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This. I don’t get all the hate.
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She wouldn’t notice the lack of bulge in the basket without first looking at the basket. No where in this thought experiment is it implied that Sarah has psychic freaking powers.
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She would go ask Ann where she put the freaking ball, after noticing the lack of a bump in the basket made by the ball. If she can’t find her, she may check the box after.
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[…]Where will Sally look, not where will YOU look after knowing the context and clues of the empty basket already, scrotebrain.
There is a noticable change in the basket’s bump. The real question is: Does Sally have the type of situational awareness to notice the lack of a bump.
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this is the answer.
the trick is that the puzzle doesn’t impose a constraint on looking in one place, but most people will probably assume that constraint.
I think OP is just salty that someone got it so soon.-
Nah it’s an autism/theory of mind test. Before children develop TOM they say box, after TOM they understand Sally can’t know the ball is in the box because she was not there when it was displaced. Unless you are autistic, then you’ll think box.ä regardless of the age.
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I think looking in both places is a good ToM answer. I see a kid looking in the basket because that’s where she left it… and then checking the box. Of course, it’s possible to change the story: maybe she’s perceptive enough to notice the missing bulge, maybe she’s used to Ann changing the locations, maybe she looked back and saw Ann change locations, maybe she called out to Ann to ask where it is, etc., etc.
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>Of course, it’s possible to change the story
Ditto. I can pretty guarantee you that the quacks that diagnose children with imaginary disorders woke af on such tests never follow it up "why do you think so?" before ticking a box in their paper sheet. -
This is not a strict right/wrong answer test. If the person says Sally looks in both boxes and can explaim why she would from her perspective, or even only the box "because she sees that the basket was moved" it would indicate TOM. The diagnoser can also ask clarifying questions like "why do you think that?". Only shit diagnosers would say autism without further exploration.
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>This is not a strict right/wrong answer test.
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>This is not a strict right/wrong answer test.
It freaking is. This is a literal test for 2-3yo children. If the kid is smart enough to have already developed the "mind theory", she will obviously say the basket, because the kid would see things from the perspective of Sally. If the kid is freaking scrotebrained they will just look at the pic and answer the box, because it’s what they saw.People saying the box are just trolls or literal scrotebrains. There’s no big "gotcha" in this test, don’t look too much into it.
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Yes, for 2-3 year olds. Diagnoser/researcher or whatever however can adapt the criteria. For example if someone genuinely gives an answer similar to this
it shows they developed TOM even if they say box.
Or would you, as the diagnoser/researcher, then seriously say they do not have a TOM?
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I said "basket and box," but I’m going to throw a bone to trolling anon up there.
ToM from the perspective of the cartoonist: Sally looks in the box because that’s where the cartoonist knows the ball is and thus where he draws her looking.
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>before developing TOM
Box.
>after developing TOM
Basket.
>after developing a distrust for other people
Box.As usual, autists are ahead of the curve and assume that Sally’s familiarity with Anne’s proto-sociopathic behaviour will lead to her correctly predicting that the scrote attempted to play an ebin prank.
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Autist here. Normies are scrotebrained.
If sally wants to play with the ball, she will look in the box. She’s either going to look in basket and then the box, or she will look in the box. Normies are being distracted by the irrelevant context at the beginning of the test. Autists are correctly focusing on the critical point that Sally is going to look for the ball where the ball is because she will keep looking until she finds it. Had the question been "where will Sally look for the ball FIRST" then the normies answer may have been correct.
This is a scrotebrained test of theory of mind because it conflates communication problems (communicating the answer to the examiner) which autists have enormous amounts of at the usual time this test is administered, at 3-5, and it’s really a test that you’re making the same wrong assumptions as the examiner and will come up with the wrong answer instead of the one that is literally correct. Normies consider the correct answer the incorrect one that the authority figure wanted, so they consider autists scrotebrained.
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>Had the question been "where will Sally look for the ball FIRST"
It’s most likely formulated the way it is specifically to detect "smart" autists like you, because non-crippled people know what is meant. -
you’re scrotebrained
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The Autist doesn’t give a fuck about "what was meant" they care about what is right. They understand the theory of mind perfectly, they just don’t care what the examiner thinks about their answer, whereas normies are desperate for approval.
This is why normies are intellectually weak and doomed to be unoriginal and conformist no matter their intellectual pedigree. They have had the answer to this test for wrong for freaking DECADES now and presumed it was because they were intellectually superior and autists were intellectually deficient. They had this entire grand theory about "theory of mind" never realizing the autistic people understood it correctly discarded that consideration since it’s not relevant to the problem. Normies are all ego and no wits, they spend decades talking about how much smarter than autists they are and yet have never realised that they believed an incorrect solution to a childs logic puzzle because Borats sis told them it was right. Normie PHDs literally get outwitted by 3 year old autists, it’s freaking hilarious.
The bigger point being, sally-anne isn’t a theory of mind test, it’s a normie scrotebrain detector.
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>angry autistic screeching
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>no arguments
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>The Autist doesn’t give a fuck about "what was meant" they care about what is right.
The people designing such tests don’t care about what "the right answer" is; they care about what kind of reactions correlate with mental disabilities. Protip: your behavior does.-
The test isn’t used to diagnose mental disabilities. Its only been used to promote Baron-Cohen’s pet theories about autistic lacking theory of mind and empathy.
Psychiatrists may love to invest tests to prove that people are "disabled", even if these tests fail to demonstrate impairment whatsoever, since disabled is an insurable category.
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*invent*
Whatever.
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This is why normies are intellectually weak and doomed to be unoriginal and conformist no matter their intellectual pedigree. They have had the answer to this test for wrong for freaking DECADES now and presumed it was because they were intellectually superior and autists were intellectually deficient. They had this entire grand theory about "theory of mind" never realizing the autistic people understood it correctly discarded that consideration since it’s not relevant to the problem. Normies are all ego and no wits, they spend decades talking about how much smarter than autists they are and yet have never realised that they believed an incorrect solution to a childs logic puzzle because Borats sis told them it was right. Normie PHDs literally get outwitted by 3 year old autists, it’s freaking hilarious.
The bigger point being, sally-anne isn’t a theory of mind test, it’s a normie scrotebrain detector.
Sally-anne doesn’t measure theory of mind, it measures if you notice that question didn’t say "Where will sally look for the ball FIRST". The test completely and utterly lacks validity.
The sally-anne study was propagated by Borat’s sis who is currently heading a genetics project with the long term goal of wiping out the autists through eugenics. He has also been wrong about literally everything he has ever said about autism, all he is sure of is that they must be destroyed.
He loves to project heavily with his writing, pic related.
Always remember: even people with severe mental disability are better at understanding humans than you
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That infographic is ridiculous, how stupid of you to post it.
"Sally will look for the marble in her own basket and not in the box"
Why would she not look in the box? Since the marble is in the box, Sally is either going to have looked in the box or will still be looking for the marble and thus will look in the box eventually. I just don’t get why normies can’t reason about this any better than downies can. It’s not a hard question if you think about it even a little.
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>thinking normies say basket due to a lack of reasoning
no they think about it for half a second and realize that not saying basket is scrotebrainedly pedantic.
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>Thinking about it and saying the wrong answer
Normiebrained-
>it is of supreme importance to me to always be as precise as i possibly can be, especially about informal wording
>therefore i will focus solely on the minutiae of this trivial question, disregarding everything that’s obvious about it
>REEEE WHY ARE NORMIES SO STUPID THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH ME LOOK IT’S THE ONLY LOGICAL ANSWER HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW REEEEEEE-
Sure is smart of you to come up with the obvious and wrong answer.
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>the useless psychologist that thought of this thing is worth so much less than me in every way imaginable for not catering to my innate need to go depth first on everything and my inability to weight answers by reasonability
>i am highly intelligent and smart and cool btw for not being able to comprehend that language is in no way rigorous and that that’s a desirable feature
>my brain is addicted to imagining other people not thinking of this really really clever way to misinterpret a sentence
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It’s not an informal situation, they use it to test children. There’s no excuse for incompetent wording. But that’s about the best you can expect from a psychologist.
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The test can successfully differentiate between normies and autists. It does what is supposed to do.
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Nothing in the original study this was sourced from says anything about a desire to come up with a test to differentiate between normies and autists. The point of the study was to demonstrate proof of the hypothesis that "Autistic children as a group fail to employ a theory of mind". The hypothesis is neither confirmed or refuted by this test, because this test is poorly designed.
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OH GOD PLEASE YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME
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Read Dennett, scrotebrain.
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The box.
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She’d look for that bitch Ann.
People saying she’d look in the box why the fuck would she? If you left something somewhere left the room and came back and someone is gone and so is your item is your first thought to start looking through all the containers in the room or to find that fucker who stole it?-
>People saying she’d look in the box why the fuck would she?
Because that’s where the ball is. It’s shown in the picture. Are you stupid?-
C’mon, man, it’s getting to the point where it’s not even clear that you’re trolling. I’m becoming genuinely concerned.
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Nice bait, but your kindergarten reverse psychology doesn’t work on me.
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…and how does that make you feel?…
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Thanks for this thread OP, this is hillarious. That picture truly is an autism test.
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the question should be rephrased to "where will sally first look for the ball?" and the answer is the box obviously, since that’s where the ball is. ;^)
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REEE AUTIST
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why yes, i am autistic, how could you tell?
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By your superior intellect anon
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The hat
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ITT: samefautism
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There’s ambiguity here for children. Some might interpret "where will she look for the ball" as "where should she look for the ball".
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Why did Ann do it? What does she gain from freaking with Sally’s property?
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She was trying to gauge Sally’s autism level.
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What is the evolutionary advantage for Ann moving the ball? Scientifically speaking, of course.
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It’s an elaborate IQ test.
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Ann is a piece of shit… Baskets like that are things you carry somewhere, Sally was probably planning to carry it off with the ball somewhere, maybe she had a picnic planned… Now she’ll get to the picnic and it won’t be there and her luncheon will be RUINED.
Fuck you Ann.
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Ann is autistic and doesn’t know better
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Because private property is theft you consoomer dumbass
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Perhaps the answer is in her genetics.
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Is this somekind of sociology political test? Like libertarians will look in the other box because they disagree with the role of government at redistributing taxes?
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Libertarians can’t process this image because it depicts a violation of the NAP.
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She would look in the box, because the basket lacks the bulge in the shape of the concealed ball.
When the ball is inside the basket, there is a visible bulge on the drawing. When the ball is not in the basket, then there is no bulge on the basket. They wouldn’t have intentionally drawn the quiz images this way if this wasn’t the correct answer.
If you said any other answer, congratulations, you failed an intelligence test meant for ~4 yo children
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>it’s not where it was before, therefore it’s in the box
>i am very smart. see how easily i can pass an intelligence test meant for 4 years olds?
Decent bait.-
>n-n-no I’m not more stupid than a child, she would look for the ball in all that empty white space instead of the box, she would go out of frame beyond the scope of the quiz!!!
lol cope harder dumbshit.
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>They wouldn’t have intentionally drawn the quiz images this way if this wasn’t the correct answer.
Looking at the size of both the ball and the basket, it is very clearly able to fit inside the basket without causing a bulge on the basket cover. Since the basket did, in fact, show a bulge after the ball was placed inside, then there MUST be other things in that basket that cause it to protrude in such a way.When Sally returns with the express purpose of retrieving the ball and sees a lack of a bulge, she knows that there were other things in the basket and that is wholly possible that something other than the ball may have been taken away from that basket for that bulge to disappear, so there is still plenty of sufficient reason for Sally to check the basket first.
They wouldn’t have intentionally drawn the quiz images this way if this wasn’t the correct answer.
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>so there is still plenty of sufficient reason for Sally to check the basket first.
You can’t know people’s motives. If Sally is concerned about cleanliness, she might not touch anything because she sees that Ann was at the basket.-
Does Ann have anthrax or something? How freaking filthy is she exactly?
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Bullshit, people don’t think that way. She wouldn’t take such careful notice of bulges. She left it in the basket, and that’s where she’ll expect it to be. That’s what would happen irl 100%.
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A lot of cope for the fact that you failed a test about object permanence meant for toddlers.
You are legitimately scrotebrained.
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Women might pay closer attention to bulges then men do. Regardless anon is still wrong, if she notices the absence of bulge it is because she first looked at the basket for the ball.
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Even if she notices a missing bulge, no ordinary person would not lift the blanket and be like "where da fuck is my ball?" That is just normal human behavior… Then she’d ask Ann if she knows where it is and/or doubt herself that she ever put it in the basket and just start looking around other places where it usually is.
That’s how humans behave and that’s exactly what would happen.
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>no ordinary person would not lift the blanket
Nobody claimed anything about lifting the blanket. That is an assumption your mind made up to justify your answer. The truth is you just gave a level 2 answer to a level 3 problem. Because the question appeared so easy and was placed on this board you assured yourself that it was a trap. Hence your attention to the bulge.Your assumption that it was a trick puzzle was justified do to most of these puzzles being stupid tricks. However you should have verified if that assumption was correct.
Ann is not in the room anon. A normal person absolutely would do a quick glance over before going and bothering someone else. Entitled fuck
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>Ann is not in the room anon
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In case you are confused, Ann is the black haired girl. If you actually see 2 people in the last panel then you should fuck off to >>>LULZ with the rest of the shitzos
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>Ann is not in the room anon
>that means you can’t ask her where she put the ball
>because she ceases to exist when she’s no in the room
>so you’re better off checking random containers, just in case
You’ve just invented a new way to fail the object permanence part of this test.-
The point is that any one who isn’t an entitled jack ass would check the only other location in the room before going and bothering someone else.
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She will look in the box, maybe not first but it’s the only place she is guaranteed to look.
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>You are smart enough to solve this, right?
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She’d look at the basket first, notice the ball is obviously not under the blanket, then check the box, like a normal freaking human being instead of some stupid unrealistic math problem.
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>then check the box, like a normal freaking human being
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Why would she not check the literal only other thing in the room you halfwit
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>Why would she not check the literal only other thing in the room
Because there’s no reason to. If you leave something in a room with only one other person in it, and then you come back and see that it’s gone, you don’t start checking random boxes; you go ask that person if they took it. This is some disturbing stuff… the vast majority of "people" aren’t human, and don’t have a basic theory of mind…
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Is this the same Anne Frank that went to the camp?
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/SCI/, FUCK MARRY KILL.
SALLY
ANN
BALLGO
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Marry Sally because she knows where to store balls, hate fuck Ann for freaking with other peoples shit, kill the ball because it became my property the same time Sally did.
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Marry Sally because best girl
Fuck the ball because its a one time thing and I’ve had worse.
Kill Anne for being a gas lighting cunt-
Kek
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally%E2%80%93Anne_test
Amazing thread.-
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In the Baron-Cohen et al. (1985) study, 23 of the 27 clinically unimpaired children (85%) and 12 of the 14 children with Down Syndrome (86%) answered the Belief Question correctly.
15% of non-scrotebrained children are freaking scrotebrained.
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The box, because she knows Ann is a freaking bitch that hides her toys when she isn’t looking
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>are you less than six months old
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She will look inside ann
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She’ll look around Ann’s head for the box.
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WOW I literally cannot believe this is some autism thing. It’s insane that people genuinely believe that when humans put an object somewhere and don’t know it’s been moved, they will NOT look where they left it.
Even with or without bulges. She would lift the cloth. I guarantee it. Unless the cloth was like, literally completely draped down into the basket to where you could easily tell there’s nothing in it. And still it seems instinctual to move it just so you can be like "wtf".
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Seeing the lump missing, She will look for Ann out of frame
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Ann will betray herself through body language or otherwise. Sally will then question her directly, using violence if necessary. The rest is trivial.
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I unironically failed this test first time without knowing the context. If I hadve known it was a test to evaluate whether you take other people’s perspective into consideration I would’ve easily passed. Does this mean I’m autistic or not?
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A small portion of neurotypical people "fail" the test. It’s an indicator of autism but would needfurther diagnostics.
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I literally can’t imagine other people without taking their perspective into consideration, like i’m hyper empathetic, it’s like border line mind reading
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Scientifically speaking you likely are a scrote
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Ann is a freaking poopyhole.
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shell look into the basket first, being perplexed by the fact that the round form of the ball in the 2nd pic is gone and will proceed to look into the freaking box
LULZ is full of shizo pseud scrote too freaking dumb to actually take a freaking look at the pic, instantly trying to deduct the nature of a drawed whore
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>shell look into the basket first, being perplexed by the fact that the round form of the ball in the 2nd pic is gone and will proceed to look into the freaking box
Unlikely, she will probably look in the basket, unless she has perfect visual recall, then go look for Ann and beat the truth out of the disgusting little thieving cunt.
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In the basket, and then in the box.
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>All these pseuds pulling answers out of their ass
I thought this was LULZ. This is a falsifiable hypothesis, so where’s the empirical research done to falsify the hypothesis that Sally searches the basket OR the box? Unbelievable pseuds. The answer is WE DON’T KNOW. We need to conduct a research study with tens of thousands of participants and strict rigorous controls to tease out confounding variables. Very complicated question. Nice find anon. -
The cloth that was on the ball in the basket had a bump because of the ball. Because the ball was moved from the basket, the cloth covering the basket doesn’t have a bump in it anymore. If Sally is particularly observant, then she would check the box first.
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Or would you, as the diagnoser/researcher, then seriously say they do not have a TOM?
The bump is irrelevant. Some drawings of this same test (pic related) don’t have the bump, because it’s not actually necessary for the resolution of the problem.
You are seeing way too much. You shouldn’t care about the bump because it’s just the choice of the artist.-
She wont look for it, but instead add a "dark ball" to her equation.
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This is an autism test btw
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>ITT anons desperately trying to out-TOM each other to hide their autism
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Everybody knows that Ann is always pulling this freaking bullshit. She’ll look right in that box.
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Check if it deflated in the basket, then ask if the other girl knows where ball is. I’m assuming they’re friends and are just playing with each others stuff.
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The ball is in the box, too easy.
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Would she even look in the box? Surely she’d go find Anne and see if that bitch took her ball and was playing with it after seeing it was gone from the basket
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>Surely she’d go find Anne and see if that bitch took her ball and was playing with it after seeing it was gone from the basket
Shhhh. Don’t tell these mouth breathers.
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Sally-anne doesn’t measure theory of mind, it measures if you notice that question didn’t say "Where will sally look for the ball FIRST". The test completely and utterly lacks validity.
The sally-anne study was propagated by Borat’s sis who is currently heading a genetics project with the long term goal of wiping out the autists through eugenics. He has also been wrong about literally everything he has ever said about autism, all he is sure of is that they must be destroyed.
He loves to project heavily with his writing, pic related.
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>The sally-anne study was propagated by Borat’s sis who is currently heading a genetics project with the long term goal of wiping out the autists through eugenics
Woke af
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Sally will look for the ball in panel 2.
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>she wants to play
>Where will Sally look for the ball?
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Great one of these stupid questions where you have to look at the picture and read it
>sally puts ballsack in basket
>basket has noticeable bump so basket is shallow
>she comes back and noticeable bump no longer there
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/SCI/, SIMILAR QUESTION
An old lady has a box of kittens. She wants to gift one kitten to a little girl. But the girl says no.
"Well then", says the old lady to the girl, "I guess then I will have to drown the kittens."QUESTION: WHY DOES THE OLD LADY SAY THAT?
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She’s going to check the box first because Sally knows that Ann is a thieving whore who takes her toys all the time. Sally will then find the ball in the box, and bounce it off Anne’s stupid face until the daycare lady makes her stop. Then Sally will be kicked out of daycare and sent to therapy for anger issues and her parents will get divorced from the strain of not having a kid in daycare, reducing work ours, and causing financial stress. The dad starts cheating and the mom looks at BBC porn all day. Sally becomes a prostitute as a result of all of that plus the trauma that the therapist got a little too touchy with her for years.
We should really cut off the hands of thieves and avoid all this nonsense.
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>Op posts autism thread
>130+ reply thread filled with autists getting trolledPottery
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I guess it depends on how perceptive Sally is
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500 iq here. there is no reason for Sally to check either because the bump in the basket is no longer there and there is no reason for Ann to put it in the box. Most likely situation is Ann took the ball as there is a reason for doing so. Sally should look for Ann and try to get the ball from her. By doing so she would also find out the location if Ann did put it somewhere else.
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An old lady has a box of kittens. She wants to gift one kitten to a little girl. But the girl says no.
"Well then", says the old lady to the girl, "I guess then I will have to drown the kittens."Why does the old lady ask this question?
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