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    • #203529
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      Why was the Spanish empire so mediocre.

      They can blame the anglos or whatever for the black legend, but that doesn’t remove the fact that the Spanish empire was shit in general. The average person had shit living standards and stagnant wages.

      At least with the British empire, the average person saw higher living standards, longer life expectancies and wage growth.

      If Argentina was a British colony, it would have had a similar GDP per capita as New Zealand.

    • #203530
      Anonymous
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      There’s no physical evidence for the smallpox crap

    • #203531
      Anonymous
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      >If Argentina was a British colony, it would have had a similar GDP per capita as New Zealand.

      Yes because british colonies are grea

      • #203535
        Anonymous
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        In argentinas case it would have been mostly populated by the british, meaning the contingent of subjugated natives wouldn’t have impacted the gdp per capita all that much. It was sparsely populated before colonization, after a british-style rounding up and extermination, the more productive settlers would be majority.

      • #203584
        Anonymous
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        Indian economy was growing under the Raj era, it was post independence then they decided in implemented scrotebrained socialist economies. The UK didn’t teach them that

    • #203533
      Anonymous
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      it was a mideval preindustrial state

    • #203536
      Anonymous
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      https://i.imgur.com/lIbYbiw.gif

      In fact the spanish colonies were pretty rich under castillian administration. They became shit after independence, proving again that shitskins can’t rule themselves and need of euro overlords to tell them what to do.

      Here is the paper from the colombian historian and economist Salomon Kalmanovitz (from the The University of New Hampshire) for the TADEO University in Bogota about New Granada economy before and after independence.

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwja1uvOxsfzAhUyD2MBHZBuA00QFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdialnet.unirioja.es%2Fdescarga%2Farticulo%2F2332082.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2MvHVhtRw1J96uXyM05iBd

      • #203538
        Anonymous
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        There are literally 3 sentences of primary source information on entire Grenada and they say it was a Catalonian vassal.

        • #203540
          Anonymous
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          Catalonia, Castille, they both are the same thing

      • #203543
        Anonymous
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        There are literally 3 sentences of primary source information on entire Grenada and they say it was a Catalonian vassal.

        South Americans blaming Spain is basically the same tier than Subsaharans blaming Frenchs and British for their cunts being shitholes.

        Expelled the euros and their lands turned into shitholes.

        The only crime of moorberians was to let shitskins alive instead of filling those lands with europeans.

        • #203588
          Anonymous
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          T. American mutt

      • #203546
        Anonymous
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        >shitskins can’t rule themselves
        forgive me if I’m wrong but weren’t the leaders of independence movements white?

        • #203550
          Anonymous
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          Yes but at least Simón Bolívar admitted that he had bonked up. He put it in a poetic way, "plowing the sea". You don’t see many historical world leaders admitting their mistakes, I think Bolívar deserves respect for that.

          • #203571
            Anonymous
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            Soo you are blaming the local low class mestizos for something done by whites??

          • #203572
            Anonymous
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            The complete letter from Bolivar.

            The New World is ungovernable for us (whites) … The only thing that can be done in New Worldis to leave. This continent will infallibly fall into the hands of the out of control multitudes, and then pass to almost imperceptible tyrant, of all colors and races. (Letter from Bolívar to Juan José Flores, Barranquilla, November 9, 1830).

            • #203579
              Anonymous
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              >Bolivar
              >White

              • #203581
                Anonymous
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                Do motherfuckers really believe this dude ain’t white?

            • #203582
              Anonymous
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              […]
              >chicanos
              do spics really think they have any room to look down on anyone?

              Go to /int/ all the seethe comes from chicanos unironically

    • #203537
      Anonymous
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      >black legend
      Pure Spaniard cope. We have hundreds of primary sources from Spanish priests and Spanish conquistadors that explain how they viewed the natives and what they did to them. We also archeological evidence of Spanish conquests throughout the Americas. The sack of Tenochtitlan, the destruction of the temples, the enslavement of local tribes, and the torture of “heathen” natives who refused to convert are all irrefutable instances of Spanish cruelty.

      I personally don’t give a shit, but modern Spaniards and Latinos want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to act morally superior to Anglos by pretending that their own form of colonization “totally wasn’t even that bad, hombres!”

      • #203554
        Anonymous
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        Fuck off, atleast in the case of mexico, the aztecs were even worse, they were war hundry sacrificial poopyholes. But spanish bad because muh forced religion.
        scrote

        • #203562
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          >the aztecs were even worse, they were war hundry sacrificial poopyholes. But spanish bad because muh forced religion.
          Spaniards bad becauae they’re Moorberian shitskins who ruined the homogenous makeup of Mexico and plunged the continent into a long era of European-style fuedalism.
          >MUH HOOOOOOMAN SACRIFICE
          Literally the only gokd thing the Spanish ever did was end the lractice of human sacrifice. They never abolished slavery, fiefdom(encomenda system), or class systems woke af on brutal racial heirarchy just like the Aztecs. Go be a Moorberian somewhere else , Pancho.

          • #203565
            Anonymous
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            >homogenous makeup of Mexico
            Mexico didn’t exist back then and the Mexicas were an invasive tribe from the north, scrotebrain.

          • #203569
            Anonymous
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            México didn’t even exist by that point, the mexicas came from the north and were a violent nation hated by every other mesoamerican group. México wasn’t conquered, it was founded by the defeat of the Aztec empire by an alliance of Spanish conquistadors and native nations. Tlaxcala was so loyal that they are featured in various codices bearing catholic banners. Hell they even swore alliance to the king so technically they became spaniards by virtue of being catholic and loyal to the king.

          • #203580
            Anonymous
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            >homogenous makeup of Mexico
            Mexico was home to all kinds of peoples, you freaking idiot. Nahua languages had nothing to do with Zapotec, Mayan or Mixtec. There wasn’t a single European country back then which had as much ethnic diversity as Mexico. Which, of course, didn’t even exist as a nation.

    • #203541
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      Because it was a medieval style empire stuck in it’s ways in a changing world. The spanish empire was grossly unfit for industrialization and so was it’s capital, in a way it was victim of it’s own earlier success, it became wealthy through extraction of bullion from the new world and spent most of it financing wars in europe to "protect catholicism". The spanish empire never saw the need to improve it’s economic base, it was too rich for it’s own good, when the industrial revolution came rolling in, it was too late to compete, Spain was a has-been monarchy and it’s colonies were bunch of medieval vassals.

    • #203542
      Anonymous
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      >If Argentina was a British colony, it would have had a similar GDP per capita as New Zealand
      Argentina had a higher GDP per capita than NZ ca. 1890. Long after independence.

      • #203548
        Anonymous
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        Wasn’t that just a short term boom while NZ has had a consistently high GDP per capita?

        • #203549
          Anonymous
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          It’s gdp=tourism anything else is irrelevant.

    • #203544
      Anonymous
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      Argentina was the 7th richest country in the world in the early 20th century. It’s not the Spanish’s fault that the Argentines bonked it up

      • #203545
        Anonymous
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        According to Angus Maddison, it was *the* richest country in the world before 1900, per capita. Not some semi-wealthy country, not some nice place. The richest. Venezuela was 4th.
        Univ. Groningen keeps up with this research: https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/?lang=en

        • #203547
          Anonymous
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          It’s gdp=tourism

        • #203557
          Anonymous
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          so what happened?

        • #203585
          Anonymous
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          Please come back Julio, we forgive you

    • #203551
      Anonymous
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      >At least with the British empire, the average person saw higher living standards, longer life expectancies and wage growth.
      Only in north america and australia/new zealand, and maybe south africa. Everywhere else in that empire was a shithole.
      >If Argentina was a British colony, it would have had a similar GDP per capita as New Zealand.
      They would have imported half of africa in there as anglos do.

      • #203552
        Anonymous
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        Also economics is fake and you’re a scrotebrain

        • #203553
          Anonymous
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          you’re like terry davis without the intelligence underneath the schizophrenia.

          • #203555
            Anonymous
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            Same.
            Make more shitposts, show the world you can’t read or do math. Go on.

            • #203556
              Anonymous
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              Nah I think you’ve got that covered

    • #203559
      Anonymous
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      There were never a Spanish Empire until 1716. Spain was a feudalistic mess like the HRE, also it was one of the poorest and illiterate places in Europe. There were almost no Spanish merchants, all merchantile jobs were done by Italians or Dutch. The only rich people in the country were the royal family and aristocrats who were too stupid to understand how economy works. The Spanish "Empire" was going bankrupt almost every decade. Their army and navy was shit, they were only able to win small or costly victories which effected their economy very seriously since the 16th century. Their colonial policy was just about plundering silver and golds, because of that barbaric and uncivilized economic policies every nation that has been ruled by Spain in the past are still poor shitholes.

      • #203560
        Anonymous
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        You already got BTFOed

        • #203563
          Anonymous
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          No, cope

          • #203564
            Anonymous
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            No, cope

      • #203570
        Anonymous
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        thats a linguistic map, not a territorial map, those are not political territories. Also spain was one of the first kingdoms in Europe to abolish feudalism, that was already very rare in the north as the villages were usually self sustained and depended only of the king

      • #203583
        Anonymous
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        average leyenda negra enjoyer

      • #203595
        Anonymous
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        >De facto>de jure

    • #203561
      Anonymous
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      reddit spacing sage

    • #203566
      Anonymous
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      Why does LULZ have a hateboner with Spain?

    • #203573
      Anonymous
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      Well consider that the Spanish Empire upon Charles V’s ascension to the throne had to deal with near constant wars against France; England, Protestant Germans, Ottomans, Moroccans, Italian states and the Dutch.

      Considering what they had to contend with I’d say the Spanish performed pretty excellently, the Netherlands only gained independence thanks to the Dutch winning a war of attrition, anything else is just a cope because the Spanish were freaking destroying them in the field, anything else is just a dutch cope.

      Just look at the track record of spanish wars during their height and you’ll see why the Tercios had such an aura of invincibility, even in the late stages of the thirty years war they were still able to best the Swedes and French in battle.

    • #203586
      Anonymous
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      Was a Tercio ever used in the new world by the spanish?

      • #203589
        Anonymous
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        Some veterans moved there.
        >Fun fact
        Cervantes wanted to move to Colombia

        • #203591
          Anonymous
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          did colonial Spaniards teach destreza to criollos or natives?

    • #203592
      Anonymous
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      Chicano,
      BanGladesh, Jamaica, Pakistan and Nigeria were exEnglish colonies.

      Why dont you compare them with exSpanish territories like: California, Lietchenstein, Netherlands, Florida or Costa Rica?

      Can you get the idea that Argentina, Mexico or Cuba were richer than England or Norway in 1800? They have been independent for 200
      years and they went downhill.

      Spain administration of America was very well done considering that contrary to the English we did not exterminate natives and even today most latinoamerican countries only are like 5% Spanish.

      New Zealand, Australia or USA are 90% European. LatinoAmerica is 90% amerindian, mestizo, mulato and all the different combinations.

      • #203593
        Anonymous
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        >most latinoamerican countries only are like 5% Spanish.
        well, we did kill all our spaniards. Twice.

        • #203594
          Anonymous
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          Woke af

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