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    • #62110
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      Why was it just Europeans that came to America? How is it that not a single Korean, Japanese, or Chinese man ever dreamt of finding land across the sea?
      Before you say anything, let me outline what confuses me.
      >California wasn’t even touched by the Spanish until the mid to late 1700’s
      >a massive period of time took place between Columbus discovering the new world (even though he thought it was the old, people found out it wasn’t quickly after) and the settlement of the north American west coast
      >the Chinese knew about America in the 1600’s
      >Colonies don’t always have colonial Charters. Connecticut was settled by English who merely sailed there and started their own colony with no royal approval
      >Chinese “colonial” republics were established in Indonesia by seafaring merchants yet none of them ever decided to sail east instead of south to found a colony
      Why did not a single Asian adventurer ever set foot in America? Do their cultures discourage wanderlust?

    • #62111
      Anonymous
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      why would they go to a backwards and uncivilised place filled with barbarians? What could barbarians offer the son of heaven or to the celestial empire?

    • #62112
      Anonymous
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      >single Asian adventurer
      Polynesians did, but they are honorary whites

    • #62113
      Anonymous
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      1. The Pacific is beeeeg, much bigger than the atlantic
      2. There were just better places for Chinese who didn’t want to live in China to settle, hence the colonies all over Southeast Asia.
      3. Their cultures absolutely discourage wanderlust

      • #62115
        Anonymous
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        >The Pacific is beeeeg, much bigger than the atlantic

        this.

        • #62116
          Anonymous
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          • #62117
            Anonymous
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            The fuck are you on about, Native Americans didn’t sail to the Americas, they either crossed the Bering Strait and followed the coast downwards into the Americas or waited until the glaciers opened and moved downwards. The only Asians that made it to the Americas were the Polynesians and that was around 1000 years before Columbus.

            • #62119
              Anonymous
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              >The only Asians that made it to the Americas were the Polynesians and that was around 1000 years before Columbus.
              This is exactly what I mean. They were able to do so on rafts and canoes. Why then could the east asians, who had much better ships not do the same?

              • #62170
                Anonymous
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                East Asians had more primitive mathematics than Polynesians.

                • #62173
                  Anonymous
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                  >source: your poopyhole

          • #62121
            Anonymous
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            The lands of the Ming and their immediate trading partners already provided more than enough for a robust economy. In terms of carrying capacity and wealth distribution, it was far more sensible to just develop their agriculture and economy domestically with some input from tariffed and controlled trade avenues. It’s only with several centuries of hindsight that we know just how profitable the Americas were.
            And onto geography, not only is the Pacific huge, crossing the North Pacific is far more perilous than the South Pacific or the Atlantic. You’re basically bombarded by strong winds, irregular currents, constant storms and practically nowhere to gain respite from the elements until you reach the Americas or find Hawai’i. Kuril Islands are a no go unless you have experienced Siberians with you.
            >How is it that not a single Korean, Japanese, or Chinese
            Oda Nobunaga may have but his primary political objective was not yet complete at the time of his death.

            The ancestors of Native Americans came over the Beringian Landbridge

            >The only Asians that made it to the Americas were the Polynesians and that was around 1000 years before Columbus.
            This is exactly what I mean. They were able to do so on rafts and canoes. Why then could the east asians, who had much better ships not do the same?

            Firstly, the Polynesians didn’t sail in canoes. Their ship design was actually something that had been a reliable ocean-going vessel for millennia and Islanders have been perfecting it ever since. Plus, theirs was a culture that had myriad acute navigational techniques and their own class of dedicated way-farers. To really drive the point home, the ancestors of Polynesians were, along with the Phoenicians, the first people to reliably travel over open ocean, not just hug coasts.
            >east asians, who had much better ships
            The junks of China were not at all more suited for long, open-ocean voyages than the proa of the Austronesians. They were slower, lower distance, high capacity trading ships. They were designed to facilitate the ease of high volume resource exchange in the calmer Indian Ocean and to enter more narrow waterways and harbors.

            • #62122
              Anonymous
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              In China there was a group who favored exploration and sea trading, but they did not have as much influence as land-woke af merchants and army guys who were paranoid about another Mongol invasion. Zheng He had a large fleet but it was eventually abandoned.

              Follow up question: why did China not do any sea trade after it became clear it was easy money for Europe? Turkey eventually built ships of the line and frigates in the European style but never them.

              • #62125
                Anonymous
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                >why did China not do any sea trade

                In what sense? They traded pretty far, it’s just that people often came to them.

              • #62132
                Anonymous
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                >Zheng He had a large fleet but it was eventually abandoned.
                Pretty sure Zheng He merely aimed to announce that China is open for sea trade again.
                >Follow up question: why did China not do any sea trade
                China-SEA-India-Arabia sea trade has been going on for millenia and is more extensive than any overland trade, it’s what the Portugese co-opted for themselves.
                Shame I don’t have the trade routes diagram saved.

            • #62124
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              >came over on the landbridge
              not all of them, arrowheads have been found across north america that predate it
              >polynesians
              we’re not talking about modern ones here, those vessels are relatively new and it has not been proved those who first made the trip to the americas would have had them
              >better ships
              i was overly simplistic here, apologies. what i meant to say was that the technologies surrounding sailing in east asia were much better. europeans were able to build a variety of vessels to fill different niches, i have yet to find any good reason east asians did not do the same.

              • #62127
                Anonymous
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                >europeans were able to build a variety of vessels to fill different niches, i have yet to find any good reason east asians did not do the same.

                Dude, the Chinese were prolific, they just turned inwards and stopped caring about the rest of the world because they knew they were at the top.

                • #62128
                  Anonymous
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                  >The junks of China were not at all more suited for long, open-ocean voyages than the proa of the Austronesians. They were slower, lower distance, high capacity trading ships.
                  read the post he’s replying to next time

                • #62130
                  Anonymous
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                  It’s not "sis China stopped trying cause they won" it was the local elites who were backward and worried the sea merchants would get too powerful so lobbied the emperor to put a stop to it. And that ended their short reign as sea power

              • #62135
                Anonymous
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                >not all of them, arrowheads have been found across north america that predate it
                I actually discussed why I don’t think that’s likely here

                […]

                >those vessels are relatively new
                I’m certain the robust double-hull proas like vakas and kaulua have been around since at least the 1000s or so, when Hawai’i and Tahiti were settled. Hell there’s evidence of people living in the Caroline Islands and the rest of Micronesia in the 200s.
                But even so, the Malagasy show us that even older catamarans are capable of transoceanic voyaging.
                >what i meant to say was that the technologies surrounding sailing in east asia were much better
                That’s not necessarily accurate either. Once again, Polynesian societies had an entire class of people dedicated to navigation at an early age. Novel navigational technology just means you can divorce part of the act of navigation from the individual; it does not mean the actual act of sea-faring is any easier.
                Besides, one point I forgot to mention is that the Polynesians who crossed the Pacific also had an acute understanding of the islands, currents and seasons over the ocean. The Chinese had no such experience with the far less forgiving North Pacific.

                In China there was a group who favored exploration and sea trading, but they did not have as much influence as land-woke af merchants and army guys who were paranoid about another Mongol invasion. Zheng He had a large fleet but it was eventually abandoned.

                Follow up question: why did China not do any sea trade after it became clear it was easy money for Europe? Turkey eventually built ships of the line and frigates in the European style but never them.

                There may have been an element of ethnic distrust as well as the domestic. A lot of prominent sailors were ethnic minorities (like the Hakka, Zheng He was from a Muslim faimly) or straight up foreigners (usually Malays).
                > why did China not do any sea trade
                They did a lot of it over the Indian Ocean. It practically provided all the consumer luxuries they needed (ivory, spices, exotic fruit, precious metals, etc.) At some point it became the Song and Ming’s personal plaything. Pacific trade was a whole nother dimension. Even the Spaniards had trouble profiting off of shipping lanes connecting Mexico to the Philippines.

            • #62140
              Anonymous
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              >the ancestors of Polynesians were, along with the Phoenicians, the first people to reliably travel over open ocean, not just hug coasts.
              When will people stop glorifying the Phoenicians? They got all their technology from the Fryans, who perfected it much earlier

              • #62141
                Anonymous
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                >Fryans
                huh?

                • #62142
                  Anonymous
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                  • #62152
                    Anonymous
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                    >WE WUZ

                    • #62162
                      Anonymous
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                      There was an ancient worldwide Frisian civilization. Coincidentally, all of the possible evidence gets destroyed or "lost" so all we can do is piece it together from hints such as the whiteness of early mummies all around the world, the swastika and other designs that seem to always follow them, the way that white people ALWAYS create a civilization when given half a chance but all other races seem to be copying the European system and then devolving back into unsophisticated violent tribalism as soon as white influence is gone or lessened.

                      You provided no evidence or sources for anything relevant and you claim that Phoenicians were "the first people to reliably travel over open ocean", so provide some proof of this. Oh you can’t provide proof because we can’t trace the influence of cultures? Okay then, you have zero reason to argue against the proposition that Frisians developed civilization culture and spread it, it is the most likely explanation woke af on what we can piece together so maybe sit down, shut up and listen for once?

                      • #62166
                        Anonymous
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                        >There was an ancient worldwide Frisian civilization.

                        There are two things I can’t stand: People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch.

        • #62147
          Anonymous
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          Imagine if North America smashed into east Asia? How big will the mountains be? Amasia super continent.

      • #62138
        Anonymous
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        >The Pacific is beeeeg, much bigger than the atlantic
        this is the main reason, also sea travel was hella dangerous back then

      • #62148
        Anonymous
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        >The Pacific is beeeeg, much bigger than the atlantic

        this.

        Keep in mind a couple of things on that too. One is that without prior knowledge of the tiny handful of islands in the center of the thing, it’s just one giant ‘kill you slow’ death trap. The weather is also unpredictable compared to the Atlantic and as if that wasn’t bad enough, special technologies had to be developed to prevent regular massive fatalities from diseases like scurvy on trans pacific voyages. Even the Manila galleons REGULARLY lost half their crew. This ocean makes the Atlantic seem like a nice pond.

        • #62189
          Anonymous
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          >The weather is also unpredictable compared to the Atlantic and
          it’s a calmer ocean than the Atlantic and not as prone to storms

      • #62186
        Anonymous
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        >1. The Pacific is beeeeg, much bigger than the atlantic
        not really that much bigger, in the way that’s relevant here

        • #62203
          Anonymous
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          Yes it is. Northern Pacific Passage is less favourable than the Atlantic crossing, considering currents, weather conditions, etc.

    • #62114
      Anonymous
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      >In 1312 the predecessor of Mansa Musa of Mali abandoned his easy life as a sultan to find where the Atlantic ends
      >He left with hundreds of ships but never returned
      What could’ve been…

    • #62118
      Anonymous
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      because the Yellow River Basin of Han China is extremely rich in natural resources and agriculture. China had everything they needed at home to be the numba wan economy for many, many centuries. the idea of sucking resources out of other countries via overseas colonization would make no sense to China, especially since pretty much all of East Asia was their puppet-tributary state in one way or another at some point already

      • #62223
        Anonymous
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        This lel

        The discovery of the Americas only happened thanks to the spice trade after all – it wasn’t some purely European love of adventure

    • #62120
      Anonymous
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      Korea was blocked in and the Japanese killed Nobunaga.

    • #62123
      Anonymous
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      >Do their cultures discourage wanderlust?

      freaking hell, read about Zheng He, and what happened to him

    • #62126
      Anonymous
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      They never had boats capable of long-distance open sea journeys. The reason for that is because they were not as smart or as accomplished as you think they were (the Japanese, at least, had the humility to recognise their backwardness).
      Don’t be fooled by Chinese chauvinists.

      • #62129
        Anonymous
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        • #62131
          Anonymous
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          The Keying is mildly interesting, notwithstanding the fact that it sailed in the mid-19th Century, and was staffed and captained by Europeans, using European sailing routes. A novelty. For a more realistic gauge of what travelling open seas in a junk was like, look up Richard Halliburton and his Sea Dragon.
          The treasure voyages, however, even taking their dubious historicity for granted, never sailed further than a hundred miles or so from the coast. The Chinese never reached the Americas because they couldn’t. It’s no more complex than that.

          • #62134
            Anonymous
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            >The treasure voyages, however, even taking their dubious historicity

            They sailed from Malaysia to Sri Lanka across open ocean.

            • #62153
              Anonymous
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              […]

              >he went silent

          • #62136
            Anonymous
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            >The treasure voyages, however, even taking their dubious historicity

            They sailed from Malaysia to Sri Lanka across open ocean.

            • #62154
              Anonymous
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              Shit map

    • #62133
      Anonymous
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      Also it took Europe over a century to start heavy duty colonization of North America (at least north of Mexico, which was already developed).

    • #62137
      Anonymous
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      West Africans tried but failed.

    • #62139
      Anonymous
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      Another aspect of this that people are not mentioning is the incredible size of the Pacific Ocean. China is nearly twice as far from the New World as Europe.

      • #62225
        Anonymous
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        not true, the distance is more or less the same
        and there are a ton of islands in the pacific

        • #62226
          Anonymous
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          >and there are a ton of islands in the pacific
          In the South Pacific not the north mostly.

        • #62227
          Anonymous
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          >not true, the distance is more or less the same

          Magellan’s boys nearly freaking died crossing it just with their 2nd leg supplies and they expected that the ocean would be as wide as the pacific.

    • #62143
      Anonymous
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      >ITT: Historylets.

      Because China is the smack in the center of global trade while the Euroscrotes are the furthest from the main Eurasian trade routes.
      In the 1400s when the first Euroscrote states- the Iberian Kingdoms- stopped being feudal clusterfucks and demanded more revenue for stat expenses, they wanted to be involved with the Eurasian trade.

      Problem is the Italians and the Muslim States had a monopoly on the Mediterranean trade, so the Iberians wanted a more direct access to the riches of the East. So they entertained explorers who have been yammering about sailing West to reach East and when Spain entertained one of these, they accidentally discovered the Americas instead.

      Euroscrotes reached the Americas not because they were special snowflakes with the spirit of discovery: they were desperate scrotes who wanted to get connected to the Eurasian Trade. Its quite telling that despite this discovery of new lands, Spain became super jealous of Portugal when they beat them to the East after Vasco Da Gama discovered the passage south of Africa and into the Indian Ocean, which led Spain to launch Magellan’s expedition a few decades later in their obsession to reach the East.

      • #62144
        Anonymous
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        >Do their cultures discourage wanderlust?
        Yeah dude, it did. Which is why Japanese mercenaries roved around in Asia Pacific, Chinese merchant clans regularly defied the Civilian sea-travel Ban of the Ming & Qing Dynasties and even built Ancap Merchant Republics in their trading Colonies in Southeast Asia to aid in defying these bans, and Sino-Japanese Pirates made the South China Seas a nightmare for maritime nations in the region.

        They totally had no spirit of adventure and just stayed in China/Japan like good subjects. Unlike all those government-funded European explorers.

      • #62145
        Anonymous
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        >Do their cultures discourage wanderlust?
        Yeah dude, it did. Which is why Japanese mercenaries roved around in Asia Pacific, Chinese merchant clans regularly defied the Civilian sea-travel Ban of the Ming & Qing Dynasties and even built Ancap Merchant Republics in their trading Colonies in Southeast Asia to aid in defying these bans, and Sino-Japanese Pirates made the South China Seas a nightmare for maritime nations in the region.

        They totally had no spirit of adventure and just stayed in China/Japan like good subjects. Unlike all those government-funded European explorers.

        >

        • #62149
          Anonymous
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          Facts don’t care fore your feelings :^)

      • #62156
        Anonymous
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        Magellan’s expedition was a bit more complicated than that; the goal was actually to go across the pacific ocean back and forth for the spaniards to be able to reach east asia in their own routes. The reason magellan died was because he waited too long for favourable winds to carry him from the philippines to america, rather than follow estabilished portuguese trade routes and do a complete circumnavigation.

        And columbus expedition wasn’t really that interesting for europeans, since the portuguese already knew there were lands there and all the spaniards knew was that he arrived at some islands. Cortez’s expedition was far more relevant for european interests.

      • #62169
        Anonymous
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        scrote cope

        • #62207
          Anonymous
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          >it’s heckin woke af and redpilled to be a locust for moloch
          Lmao, I’m counting the days until you boomerlings are wiped from the face of the earth

          • #62216
            Anonymous
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            Yellow hands typed this.

      • #62179
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      • #62184
        Anonymous
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        >Do their cultures discourage wanderlust?
        Yeah dude, it did. Which is why Japanese mercenaries roved around in Asia Pacific, Chinese merchant clans regularly defied the Civilian sea-travel Ban of the Ming & Qing Dynasties and even built Ancap Merchant Republics in their trading Colonies in Southeast Asia to aid in defying these bans, and Sino-Japanese Pirates made the South China Seas a nightmare for maritime nations in the region.

        They totally had no spirit of adventure and just stayed in China/Japan like good subjects. Unlike all those government-funded European explorers.

        Facts don’t care fore your feelings :^)

        Reminder that the chinkshills on this board are mentally-ill Filipinos with identity crises
        https://desuarchive.org/int/search/text/ancap%20merchant%20republic/

        • #62185
          Anonymous
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          Woke af for making all these whitoids seethe with obvious bait. No wonder garden gnome can cuck them so easily

        • #62199
          Anonymous
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          >mentally-ill Filipinos with identity crises
          Filipino. Just one dude. Which is me.

          >Shill
          Also I remember flatly stating out I’m a Chink-Flip in that thread.

          I actually started off as a Weeab deep into Japanese history, which I find is often a gateway drug into Chinese history. So whenever you see long texts about East Asian, specifically Japanese and Chinese history (that’s not about rape and cuckoldry) that’s usually me.

          • #62200
            Anonymous
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            >chink, spic, flip mutt
            no wonder you’re the way you are

            • #62201
              Anonymous
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              If you must know, I work for a library. There’s damn near nothing for me to do most of the day and most of what I do is related to the humanities anyway.

              • #62202
                Anonymous
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                you seem alright

    • #62146
      Anonymous
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      "The Ming treasure voyages were the seven maritime expeditions by Ming China’s treasure fleet between 1405 and 1433. The Yongle Emperor initiated the construction of the treasure fleet in 1403." (Wikipedia)

    • #62150
      Anonymous
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      because chink didn’t have solid seafaring tradition beyond hugging the coast and rivers, and everyone in east asia copied chink soo

      • #62151
        Anonymous
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        >because chink didn’t have solid seafaring tradition beyond hugging the coast and rivers
        >Is somehow all over the Asia Pacific
        Lol

        • #62157
          Anonymous
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          >ignoring the "hugging the coast" part
          life is so convenient isn’t it?

          • #62168
            Anonymous
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            >Sails to the Philippines regularly

            Yeah. Coasthugging.

    • #62155
      Anonymous
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      They don’t even have a concept of doing something on your own initiative.

      Every Asian, all they want to do is die for the Emperor. Emperor Ching-Chong-Wing-Wong who literally lives in a forbidden city in a forbidden palace and they’re not even allowed to smell a flower that he farted on.

      And they all think that’s just freaking great and wonderful and we Westerners are nothing but dogs and animals because we have internal monologues and independent decision-making faculties in our brains.

      To them, that’s as disgusting as wiping shit all over your face. What a bunch of hairy barbarians, having thoughts and opinions without even caring about the Emperor’s edicts. *Shudders*

      God just wanted to experiment with giving insect-brains to human bodies and hence you have the Asian. It’s as simple as that.

      • #62206
        Anonymous
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        >1 billion people are this meme some chanshitter says they are
        kek who keeps writing this cringy fan fiction anymore, what an embarrassment

    • #62158
      Anonymous
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      If it had been any dynasty but the Ming/post-Yuan buckbreak dynasty with their endless paranoia then they might’ve been more adventurous. But the Ming didn’t even advance beyond China proper, what would’ve made them go out at Sea?

    • #62159
      Anonymous
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      >why didnt the conformist bug people explore the globe

    • #62160
      Anonymous
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      >why would a gigantic Eurasian peninsula, already familiar with its many dangerous seas, with competing states and interests be more interested in seafaring than a land-woke af empire with everything it could need and wish for and which the extremely tame South China Sea couldn’t prepare for sailing through the massive pacific, twice the distance between the east coast and london
      Gee whiz OP, I really don’t know.

    • #62161
      Anonymous
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    • #62163
      Anonymous
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      All these massive cope by whitoid cucks lmao

    • #62165
      Anonymous
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      Almost everyone who went out exploring did so with government charter and a desire to find natural resources which could be exported back to the mother country, where demand often outstripped supply. And even then, many of them would be sorely disappointed.
      China was largely self-sufficient, and could obtain whatever else it desired from its already existing trade links with the rest of Asia. So while there were Chinese merchants, mercenaries, etc. doing business in SEA and India, they were participating in relative proximity to long-established trade links and trade centres. They would not have obtained anywhere near the same return attempting to export whatever they found in the Americas across the Pacific.

    • #62174
      Anonymous
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      They did. There’s some evidence that Polynesians traded the ancestors the Araucana breed of chicken with the Incas.

    • #62180
      Anonymous
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      >Korea
      Japan and China hemmed then in
      >Japan
      the few times Japan was unified enough (and the rulers ambitious enough) for them to contemplate overseas expansion they quite unsurprisingly focused on Korea, China, Okinawa, Hokkaido, Taiwan, etc.
      >China
      the Ming fleets were abandoned for economic reasons but the rather obvious reasons are:
      their economy and populace were already fuckhuge, they really didn’t have a fundamental need for exploration that the europeans did to get their spice fix.
      As the difference between the Ming’s borders and modern China’s borders show, the Chinese had rather obvious expansion area on land that were more important than some theoretical sea route

      • #62182
        Anonymous
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        Actually the Ming Treasure fleets were abandoned because it had accomplished its mission (convince Maritime Asian states to trade with China by sea) and the fact that the state needed the money for new defenses & garrisons to counter a new Mongol Empire that emerged in the 1400s.

        • #62183
          Anonymous
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          >and the fact that the state needed the money for new defenses & garrisons to counter a new Mongol Empire that emerged in the 1400s.
          I was referring to this though I suppose economic really isn’t the best term for that on it’s own, apologies.

      • #62188
        Anonymous
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        Japanese should have sold Hokkaido to Russia, as they are pussies who can’t handle the cold.

    • #62187
      Anonymous
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      To everyone saying it wouldn’t be profitable for China because they were a huge land woke af empire with everything they needed.
      Poland was in a similar situation, yet a subrealm of theirs still ventured out and established colonies even though they weren’t profitable. Brandenburg within the HRE also had short lived new world colonies.
      That’s more the question here, how was there not even an Asian version of Curonia? Why did no east asian sub realm or individual ever even attempt going to the new world. Japan was incredibly decentralized and yet no one even made an effort.
      The thread seems pretty conclusive that, despite all the cope, they simply never developed the technology. Am I wrong?

      • #62204
        Anonymous
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        There were Chinese merchants who founded colonies and established residences elsewhere in the region.
        Outside of that, there was no compelling economic reason for trans-oceanic voyages. If you were the Emperor of China and wanted gold, spices, etc. all you had to do was sit and relax while foreign merchants brought it to you in exchange for your manufactured wares. Even into the 19th century European countries ran a trade deficit with China. Indeed, many of the proceeds of European exploration and conquest of the New World found their way into Chinese coffers anyway.

      • #62205
        Anonymous
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        >Japan was incredibly decentralized and yet no one even made an effort.
        >The thread seems pretty conclusive that, despite all the cope, they simply never developed the technology. Am I wrong?

        This is like saying they didn’t have the technology to colonize Hokkaido because they didn’t until the 1800s.

    • #62190
      Anonymous
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      They just didn’t do ships.
      There were almost no naval wars in east asia before europeans arrived.
      The didn’t even colonise Taiwan before the dutch.
      It nothing like europe where you have britain constantly being invaded by sea even going back into prehistory.

      • #62195
        Anonymous
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        There was the war between China and Vietnam, in which China got btfo, and the naval portion of the Imjin War, where the Japanese got btfo by the Korean navy

        • #62208
          Anonymous
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          Ming China ruled Vietnam and Vietnam never defeated China in a naval war.

          • #62209
            Anonymous
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            Only 20 years, dipshit.

    • #62191
      Anonymous
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      They did. Native Americans are genetically related to East Asians.

      • #62194
        Anonymous
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        Those are basically mongols

    • #62192
      Anonymous
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      >Do their cultures discourage wanderlust?
      lmao, no. Look up Zheng He.

      • #62193
        Anonymous
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        finally someone with an iq above 80. op’s question is scrotebrained too since Columbus found america by accident

      • #62197
        Anonymous
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        He only did tribute-collecting voyages and his ships were built for shallow coastal waters not ocean-going.

        • #62198
          Anonymous
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          >He only did tribute-collecting voyages

          There was also an exploratory aspect to his mission when one of his sidequests from the State was "please find out whats beyond the Arabian peninsula, we wanna know." and hit Africa as a result.

          I mean the Chinese had an Idea because the Tang Dyansty spoke of Ethiopia in their encyclopedias, but it was hardly the case.

    • #62196
      Anonymous
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      China
      >had no reasons to do so. The inland chinese area Is basically the best place in the entire world. They already had all they needed. Their isolationist culture made the rest
      >Korea
      Top much busy survive
      >Japan
      Pathological isolationist. Also their culture is so adverse to unknown explorations that still up to this day Japanese RPGs are very linear, controller experiences with very few open world/open choices elements

    • #62210
      Anonymous
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      daily remainder that the american exploration was accidental, europeans wanted to reach glorious china

    • #62213
      Anonymous
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      mystery meat

    • #62217
      Anonymous
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      Chinese got banned

    • #62218
      Anonymous
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      viking were known as the world’s best shipbuilders

      • #62219
        Anonymous
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        For small craft yes, but in the realm of large oceangoing vessels, the Chinese were the best. The Portuguese were pretty good too.

      • #62220
        Anonymous
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        what? the norse never built complicated craft of any kind

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      Why would they decide to go out into a huge barren ocean for no reason? The only voyages that the Chinese did were either land voyages or out west, close to land or known routes. To them, going out to the Pacific would seem like suicide. The most realistic way they would discover America was if they wanted to colonize the coast of Siberia, but I don’t know why anyone would.

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