Why isn’t Apple’s “ecosystem” model illegal?

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    • #193140
      Anonymous
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      Why isn’t their “ecosystem” model illegal? Shouldn’t selling a product that only works if you buy another product from the same company be a crime? Shouldn’t holding people’s personal data inside an unnecessary ecosystem be a crime? Isn’t it anticompetitive to force people to buy a product that isn’t really even all that great on its own just because they already bought all your other stuff?

    • #193141
      Anonymous
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      Uhm, why should it be illegal? Just don’t buy Apple products then

    • #193143
      Anonymous
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      It’s okay if a company refuses to support some stuff. What should be illegal is withholding source code and intentionally hindering interoperability.

      • #193214
        Anonymous
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        freaking freetards. Gimme. Gimme. Gimme. Bet you’ve never created anything anyone would want to buy. Try to invent or engineer something and see what it costs to do it properly. Still want to give it away?

        • #193215
          Anonymous
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          The reason withholding source code is immoral is because you literally don’t know what’s going on in your own computer unless the company that makes that computer tells you.
          And even then, they could totally be lying. So you never really know. Don’t you think that’s kind of a vulnerability?

          • #193216
            Anonymous
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            >you literally don’t know what’s going on in your own computer unless the company that makes that computer tells you
            You know what’s going on your own computer nevertheless your program running is open source or not because your CPU is going to run some kind of machine code AND this code can be turn back to C code. Cope harder freetard, reverse engineering is a thing.

            • #193218
              Anonymous
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              >"having to reverse engineer your own shit just to know you’re not being spied on is better than not having to reverse engineer your shit to know you’re not being spied on"
              >and yet has the audacity to tell others to cope harder

        • #193217
          Anonymous
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          >Still want to give it away?
          Yes. I would want the buyers to actually get their money’s worth. I would also love to see them make my product interact with other things in ways I had not foreseen. Why make toys when you can make hardware?

    • #193145
      Anonymous
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      They are going to keep doing it as long as scrotebrains keep buying their products.

      • #193147
        Anonymous
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        This. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy freaking Apple products. You’re annoyed by Apple? Then don’t buy their products. Asking government to ban more shit is scrotebrained. Regulations suck and do not work. See: Google monopoly

    • #193150
      Anonymous
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      > Shouldn’t selling a product that only works if you buy another product from the same company
      many people only own iphone or only own macbook what exactly are you talking about.

      • #193159
        Anonymous
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        You try setting up an Apple Watch without first owning an iPhone and get back to me on that

        • #193162
          Anonymous
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          So, don’t buy an Apple Watch if you don’t own an iPhone in the first place?

          • #193175
            Anonymous
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            Alternatively, Apple could just make the Apple Watch work with other devices or on its own so that that way you could buy a really nice smartwatch without having to own other shit just for it.

            • #193176
              Anonymous
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              Yes, but what should be illegal here and why? You can buy a Galaxy Watch or any other smart watch in the market.

              • #193178
                Anonymous
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                >Yes, but what should be illegal here
                The anticompetitive practices.
                >and why?
                Because anticompetitive practices are malicious and counterproductive for the type of economy we’ve developed.
                >You can buy a Galaxy Watch or any other smart watch in the market.
                Yes, but, again, that’s not the point. You’re not a great listener, are you?
                What valid reason does Apple have to lock the Apple Watch into exclusive iPhone-woke af operation other than raking in the coins?

              • #193179
                Anonymous
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                why is it that a galaxy watch works just fine as a standalone product, in fact literally every other smart watch does, but apple’s watch specifically ONLY functions if you have an iPhone so that if you decide you want an Android phone you have to throw away the watch as well?

    • #193151
      Anonymous
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      I mean, I use a Macbook Pro and an iPhone 12 Mini but I don’t really use any Apple service, so not sure what you mean.
      I use Nextcloud for cloud backup (with Mountain Duck to sync the files on my laptop). MacOS and iOS also natively support CardDAV and CalDAV so my contacts, calendars and reminders are synced through Nextcloud (in the native MacOS and iOS apps). The Nextcloud app on iOS does automatic photo backup so no need for iCloud Photos either. I use Startmail for email, which I synced in the native email clients as well.
      If I decide to get an Android phone or another laptop with Linux, I’m not going to lose anything except Airdrop, which is pretty convenient but can easily enough be replaced by network sharing.

      • #193153
        Anonymous
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        • #193154
          Anonymous
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          Next level cope. Imagine being an anti- or pro- cultist. The fact is yeah, Apple product will try to convince you to use the Apple ecosystem, but if you choose not to, they actually comply better than most other brands. Android doesn’t even support CardDAV and CalDAV, which is a freaking joke, nor does Windows.

          • #193158
            Anonymous
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            where is the cope?

            • #193161
              Anonymous
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              I explained in details why you were wrong and all you could replay was "lol didn’t ask". You’re a schizo cultist. Don’t use Apple products if you don’t want to, but when you’re saying false shit out of your ass, you just come across as an idiot.

              • #193165
                Anonymous
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                But I wasn’t the OP

                • #193166
                  Anonymous
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                  Don’t lie, this whole thread is just you and me bucko.

        • #193222
          Anonymous
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          cope

    • #193152
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The GPL should be state-mandated

    • #193182
      Anonymous
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      Well bicycle companies do the same, so do car manufactures, ikea, etc… Who decides what components are the *standard*? Why should android switch to lightning cable?

      • #193185
        Anonymous
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        >Well bicycle companies do the same, so do car manufactures, ikea, etc…
        The fact that other bad companies do similar bad things doesn’t justify the ethics of doing it.
        >Who decides what components are the *standard*?
        The consumer.
        >Why should android switch to lightning cable?
        No one said they should. Actually, most people are advocating the exact opposite because Lightning is a proprietary standard and USB-C is open.

        • #193187
          Anonymous
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          >The consumer.
          In this case, the corporations have already won.

          The consumer continues to buy Apple, thereby accepting the standards they use.

          • #193188
            Anonymous
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            >The consumer continues to buy Apple
            Because they’re literally forced to, that’s the problem. Apple is under no pressure to adopt open standards simply because they’re not worried people will leave.
            They’re not worried people will leave because no one has a choice. That’s what should be illegal. It’s anticompetitive.

            • #193189
              Anonymous
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              >Because they’re literally forced to
              No they are not, they can buy any android phone

              >Apple is under no pressure to adopt open standards simply because they’re not worried people will leave.
              then the consumers have decided, it is acceptable

              • #193191
                Anonymous
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                >No they are not, they can buy any android phone
                Sure. As long as they leave behind pretty much all the data they’ve poured into their iPhone and trash all the other expensive hardware that’s compatible with the iPhone as well. You get rid of your iPhone and you also have to get rid of your AirPods, Apple Watch, Apple TV, whateverthefuckelse, etc. This decreases the likelihood of them actually making that jump. They are being held hostage. Switching away from Apple’s products would have negative effects on them not because their products are superior but because of deliberate retaliative efforts taken by Apple to prevent them from doing so.
                Do you see where I’m going with this?

                >They’re not worried people will leave because no one has a choice
                Lmao take your meds. I flipflopped between Apple and Android several times, where the fuck is the problem to switch?

                Good for you, but you are not everyone. The fact that you haven’t been harmed by Apple’s anticompetitive practices doesn’t mean no one else has.

                • #193192
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >The fact that you haven’t been harmed by Apple’s anticompetitive practices doesn’t mean no one else has.
                  Who has actively been harmed by that?

                  • #193195
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Everyone who has ever complained about wanting to stop using Apple’s products but been unable to because they got caught in their loop.

                    well, it was well known from the beginning that Apple has no open standards. If you bought all these iProducts you knew exactly what you will get yourself into.

                    >"Well, it was known from the beginning that I’m a rapist, your honor. She still decided to go on a date with me anyway, honestly she should’ve seen it coming from a mile away."
                    >"Oh wow. Yeah you’re right, case dismissed."
                    >*bangs gavel*
                    Gee, I didn’t know the precedent of unethical behavior directly invalidates the unethical nature of it lol

                    • #193197
                      Anonymous
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                      >Everyone who has ever complained about wanting to stop using Apple’s products but been unable to because they got caught in their loop.
                      To me that sounds like a scrotebrain.
                      We should ban unhealthy food and alcohol first.

                      • #193199
                        Anonymous
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                      • #193201
                        Anonymous
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                        No matter how much you repeat your arguments, Apple is still one of the least harmful offenders looking at all global megacorps.
                        If we had to regulate this there would be hundreds that I would take on first.
                        You’re just too focused on computers because you live in your own little bubble.

                      • #193202
                        Anonymous
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                        >No matter how much you repeat your arguments,
                        I’m only repeating them because you keep repeating your own talking points while also refusing to address mine.
                        >Apple is still one of the least harmful offenders looking at all global megacorps.
                        LMAO. LMFAO.
                        How much did they pay you to say that?
                        >If we had to regulate this there would be hundreds that I would take on first.
                        That’s fine, as long as Apple is included on that list.
                        >You’re just too focused on computers because you live in your own little bubble.
                        I’m focused on computers because this is the technology board.

                      • #193205
                        Anonymous
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                        >Apple is still one of the least harmful offenders looking at all global megacorps.
                        lol tell another one

                        How is Apple actively harming their users outside of some scrotebrains who are bad with money?

                      • #193206
                        Anonymous
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                        >How is Apple actively harming users if we ignore the biggest way they’re actively harming users, the one way that just so happens to be the whole point of the thread?
                        >Are they literally going around, injecting people with AIDS? No? Exactly. Have a seat hunty.
                        >*z-formation snaps and sashays away*

                      • #193207
                        Anonymous
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                        Okay so you have zero arguments and just go back to infantile derogatory greentexting.
                        Hardly surprising.

                      • #193208
                        Anonymous
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                        Your argument is scrotebrained and I’m exemplifying that by highlighting how scrotebrained it truly is.
                        You’re asking me to list ways Apple is harming consumers external to the main concern of this entire thread. That’s scrotebrained. I’m going to mock you for being scrotebrained if you’re being scrotebrained.

                      • #193203
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Apple is still one of the least harmful offenders looking at all global megacorps.
                        lol tell another one

                • #193193
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  well, it was well known from the beginning that Apple has no open standards. If you bought all these iProducts you knew exactly what you will get yourself into.

            • #193190
              Anonymous
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              >They’re not worried people will leave because no one has a choice
              Lmao take your meds. I flipflopped between Apple and Android several times, where the fuck is the problem to switch?

    • #193183
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >companies shouldn’t be allowed to set orphanages ablaze…idk it should be illegal or sumn
      >"WOW, DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST ADVOCATE TIGHTER GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS? THIS IS JUST LIKE 1984. THAT BOOK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WARNING AND NOT A BLUEPRINT, Y’KNOW."
      this stupid freaking website

      • #193184
        Anonymous
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        the orphanes wanted to be put out of their misery.

    • #193194
      Anonymous
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    • #193198
      Anonymous
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      Same argument as "should Sony be allowed to sell PS5 digital if your only choice is PS Store"

      • #193200
        Anonymous
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        Gaming consoles shouldn’t exist at all.

        • #193204
          Anonymous
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          Neither should computers. We should go back to the days when your car or tv didn’t need a computer to function.

        • #193211
          Anonymous
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          this, consoles are an abomination

    • #193209
      Anonymous
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      >LE ABEL BAD DXXX
      seethe freetard
      your hobby freetard shit will never be successful
      you will always be begging for people to use your trash that has to be given away for free

      • #193210
        Anonymous
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        See

        Okay so you have zero arguments and just go back to infantile derogatory greentexting.
        Hardly surprising.

        • #193212
          Anonymous
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          this, consoles are an abomination

          see

          >LE ABEL BAD DXXX
          seethe freetard
          your hobby freetard shit will never be successful
          you will always be begging for people to use your trash that has to be given away for free

          • #193213
            Anonymous
            Guest

            See

            >LE ABEL BAD DXXX
            seethe freetard
            your hobby freetard shit will never be successful
            you will always be begging for people to use your trash that has to be given away for free

    • #193219
      Anonymous
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    • #193220
      Anonymous
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      >their

      • #193221
        Anonymous
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        yes

    • #193223
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The idea of manufacturer ecosystems is stupid but there aren’t any products, aside from the Homepod, that only work if you have other Apple products. But that begs the question; Why would you buy a shitty botnet speaker that only works with products you don’t have anyway?

      • #193224
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >freetard screeching intensifies

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