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Why is this shit so bloated?
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Oh no, my OS actually uses my RAM. I always buy plenty of RAM, but I only want 15% to be used at all times.
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sis look at the CPU usage ffs
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1%
the folder icons are straight from a loonix distro from 2003 though
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1%?
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And even with that bloated UI it’s still more performant than Windows 10 was. I’m running it on an ancient machine with a HDD and it’s actually usable.
1% and the CPU is downclocked to 1.33GHz. Where’s the issue?
Cached shit doesn’t even show on usage, that’s 3gb and a half of pure garbage.
And it will get cached when it needs to be cached. Seriously, you have no idea how this shit works, do you.
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>And it will get cached when it needs to be cached.
Running services won’t. Maybe if you hit pagefile, but then byebye any resemblance of performance.
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>I only want 15% to be used at all times.
Not OP, but yeah. I prefer to use my RAM for actually running programs. There’s no excusable reason that 44% is used at idle.-
ever think you might be missing something?
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That’s not how it works.
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Cached shit doesn’t even show on usage, that’s 3gb and a half of pure garbage.
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> Cached shit doesn’t even show on usage, that’s 3gb and a half of pure garbage.
source: trust me bro
there’s different tiers of caches, and they show up or not differently
the point is that the OS is making use of free ram to be faster and not burn your SSD, and they all do this, you scrotebrained garden gnome-
so explain why is windows so slow
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Due Microsoft’s shitty engineering Windows is very disk IO heavy and incidentally Windows’ IO stack is horrible (although Win11 improved it quite a bit).
Get a SSD and it will be fine.-
but i thought it caches everything relevant to speed up things??
how can it be disk io heavy?
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Ok so you’re just scrotebrained, go it.
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thats what you said tard. theres no caching happening, 3gb in OP pic is simply pure bloat
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Yeah by swapping to disk at 60% ram usage? Windows is total garbage in that regard
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>he only has 8GB of ram
I’ve got 128GB. Shit could use 30GB at idle and I wouldn’t care
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At idle it should use 1 GB at most not freaking 3, that includes buffers.
Also look at the CPU usage it must be doing some shady shit or just being bloated webshit like the trend is now.
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it should be below 100MB at idle
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websites and many programs are already needlessly bloated. I don’t need the OS taking up a fuckton of ram in addition to everything else.
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>I only want 15% to be used at all times.
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around 800 at most on boot.
around 1200 with a double tab browser opened (including few utility programs). -
why would you want an operating system to use up your RAM and CPU time? the OS has one job: to get the fuck out of my way
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t. stupid scrote who stares at the default desktop wallpaper all day instead of actually using freaking computer programs to get things done
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>3,4gb memory used with nothing open
windows bros…-
unused ram is wasted ram
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wasted ram is also wasted ram
your quote is about caches, which op is not displaying, the memory usage on the left does not count caches-
ram is big cache
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i’m talking about system I/O caches specifically, if you really must make me spell it out
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ram is io
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not in typical computer nomenclature it isn’t
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Yeah i too buy a big house just to fill it with my own feces, because every single mm^3 that isnt filled with literal shit is wasted space.
as if you are trying to be any slightly efficient when using windows.Now go grab your bottle of copium scrotebrain
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>Android idling with 4GB is fine
>Windows is le bad
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>Android idling with 4GB is fine
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my phone running android 11 is currently using 2.23G ram, with a couple things open -
android is bad
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Android runs a VM, it’s never "idling". Though you can say the same for Windows and telemetry.
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>3,4gb memory used with nothing open
this is why i switched to linux. my laptop was constantly buzzing and screeching using windows. now its zippy and quiet. no more bloatOS.
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just disable printspooler, that should free up some RAM
WINDOWS ROCKS!
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that doesn’t work i am using win10, i had in 2.6 ram, i disabled some services now it is using 3.3 ram, shit windows is the worst shit i ever seen, i wonder if is the same with 32 bit
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>Why yes I do have a total understanding of memory allocation behaviour in a production-grade operating system. See, you just look at this percentage figure.
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anon, i am currently using 2.7GiB/16GiB of RAM, i have 5 browser tabs open in flatpakked chromium, element, KDE and konsole is running, and element, an electron app.
how many resource intensive background processes on Windows actually benefit the user?
which kernel is more performant yet more efficient?
which kernel is more featureful and yet more stable and lightweight?
(also, who knew you could bait wintoddlers too, see rest of thread)
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huh, they finally fixed the 100% cpu 24/7 bug
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>bug
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itoddlers have it worse. like 2-3 gb idle with no apps open
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> No Apps Open
> 6 of the top 8 memory consuming apps are being executed by the usermfw
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Ask the Pajeets at Microsoft.
I had a Windows VM on a Linux host and the thing absolutely choked on a 4-HDD RAID10 for several minutes after boot. Had to put it on an SSD just to have a usable system. That was with full host-side caching enabled with sync requests ignored (unsafe cache). Without that it was even worse.
The only reason Windows is usable at all is because hardware keeps improving. Kinda feel bad for the poor bastards who have to buy cheap Windows laptops with HDDs.-
windows was intolerable on hdd’s in 10 as well
i actually downgraded a laptop from 10 back to 7 /purely/ because it ran so poorly on a hdd
ssds are really cheap now, so if you want 10/11, just get an ssd, they don’t care about hdd users anymore
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Why are you so tech incompetent? Who knows.
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why do the folders so gay
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I’m starting to think that cached memory doesn’t actually do a thing
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That ram usage is a vaccine database and the cpu is checking you against that database. If you get the Microsoft Moderna shot it will go down.
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even on my pretty heavy linux main desktop, i’m using 3.3G right now, only that’s with a browser running, and mpv, discord, tor, syncthing, an rss reader, etc running
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You will easily stay under 1gb of ram on most distros, unless you’re using a bloated DE.
On my autistic arch install, I use ~260mb of ram at idle, even with tor and a torrent client running in the background.Windows is absolute garbage.
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i’m not using a DE, i just have lots of stuff in the background, i also tend to dump lots of stuff in /tmp (not so much right now, but there is still a couple hundred megs sitting in there, i download things there then sort them later maybe), which is a ramdisk
i’m not anal about memory usage on my desktop most of the time, because most of the time i only use a fraction of its 16G
and yea, i run the same wm and basic interface on my laptop with 1G ram, but i do run that one leaner, you can do a lot with 1G ram, same stuff as on my desktop, just not necessarily all open at once
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My Windows 10 install unironically uses 1.3GB on boot and all I did was disabling telemetry shit, didn’t even unbloat it. What the absolute fuck is MS using all that memory for? Rounding corners? lmao
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just disabling telemetry in services?
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Just the telemetry preset in privatezilla. Ah, disabled Cortana too since I don’t use that annoying crap.
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Two freaking cores in 2021?
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Having more than two cores is the definition of bloat
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8 tab on browser, quake 3, terminal only 2gig, power of loonix.
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this, install fedora workstation op
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>gnome
Enjoy your tablet interface without file picker-
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Sorry what, can you repeat that?
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That is the least consistent ui I have ever seen. Looks like a half-hearted theme downloaded from deviantart. Sad!
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A lower RAM usage turns on and then pegs the hard drive constantly and burns the battery+CPU because resources need to be re-fetched and re-computed every time, instead of just pulling them from RAM which is always powered on anyway. The system is here to automatically reduce what’s cached in RAM when needed by your programs.
If a high RAM usage results in slowness, maybe switch to an actual operating system.-
>it’s just cache bro
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>it’s just cache bro
no it’s not, the graph visible in OP does not include cachehere, i drew on a random picture i found
cache does not count towards used, because cache can be evicted if necessary, this is also why cache is also counted towards the available ram
cache is basically not counted as usage at all, since it’s just opportunistic usage of otherwise unused ram ("unused ram is wasted ram"), literally just free performance, all operating systems work like this-
if the main graph showed cached as well, then it would eventually just read as full most of the time, since any well used system will have filled the free space with cache
like i’m currently (in linux) using 3.7/16G, but with another 9.6G in caches, if it showed cache as usage, then it would look like i was running low on memory, even though i haven’t even used a third of it
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reasons to upgrade to win11?
I have an unsupported CPU btw
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>reasons to upgrade to win11?
none
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what they exactly do with telemetry? why they don’t allow us disable as an option instead using regedit?
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So it can spy you better.
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stock wallpaper?
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Yeah, it’s the main reason I came back to 10. I think a lot of this extra ram is because of the widget crap, even if you disable it it will still run in the background and it takes a lot of ram.
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you all are such scrotes
>muh ram
16gb is standard if you’re doing anything more than jacking off on /gif/
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This.
If you don’t run Linux get at least 16gb.
For docker and windows get 32gb. 16 works but can get tight at times-
>For docker and windows get 32gb. 16 works but can get tight at times
i couldnt run my dev environment with all the docker containers, text editor, browser and other misc stuff. constantly 90%+ memory usage on 16gbswitched to linux and only 60% usage, lol
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Why are you using the worst version of windows?
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old screenshot of me playing Control on max settings and I got a little bit more RAM than your Windows on idle, damn bro
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The whole GUI is a freaking Edge webview, what did you expect?
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unused ram is wasted ram
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>unused ram is wasted ram
scrotebrained pajeet take. used ram is ram i can’t immediately allocate. the way nt allocates and manages swap sucks ass too. no, windows 10 genuinely sucks that much and wont ever recycle fast enough
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>scrotebrained pajeet take. used ram is ram i can’t immediately allocate. the way nt allocates and manages swap sucks ass too. no, windows 10 genuinely sucks that much and wont ever recycle fast enough
inb4 your 64GB isn’t enough
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>ITT: scrotebrained linuxtrannies don’t understand that the important performance metric is paging file usage rather than physical memory usage
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scrote op complains about windows being bloated , then how cum your cpu usage is 1% mf ? what is bloated about this its literally showing proof of ur scrotebrainedness
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>tfw window caches 19.5GB of RAM
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thats what it is right? just cache?
i havent used windows in years but i remeber it always using about 40% of ram no matter how much ram I had. -
10gb I had days windows idled at 6gb
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https://i.imgur.com/swMMfGq.gif
>he wants things to load slowly
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they load slowly regardless
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is that after a fresh boot or do you have a bunch of VMs/browser tabs/video editing going on?
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How the ever living fuck do I get rid of this freaking garbage, permanently? None of the usual methods work anymore.
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1. Disable quick boot or hybrid boot or whatever it’s called
2. Fire up a linux install (or a live cd)
3. Mount drive
4. Delete whatever the hell you want, including this scrote executable.
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wow the new taskbar looks ridiculous
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I think i’ll manage
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>he fell for the 8GB is enough meme
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i’m not paying £64+ to be able to run one more electron app simultaneously
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My Gentoo box, built in 2016, idles on the desktop, with conky and tint2, with 750-ish megabytes. With Discord, Steam, itch.io, FireFox (with multiple tabs open), and LibreOffice open it is using ~4.6gb of ram. I’m pretty sure that is inflated because I haven’t cleared out /var/tmp in a long long time (my uptime right now is 97 days, only rebooted due to a power outage), and I have that mounted as a ramdisk.
Why do windows-tards act like having a shitty OS is a good thing?
Gentoo just werks. Also, I get more FPS in all of the Tomb Raider games on Gentoo.
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>3GB RAM fresh install fresh boot
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I don’t get it. You’d have to try very, very hard to make something half as bloated as Windows is.
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Why are you still using a goddamn i3?
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Only have spotify and the monitor app open.
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It’s freaking Windows. All you have to goddamn say. Any person using Windows in 2021 is old people in their 60s/70s, little kids playing shitty "games", morons, and shills.
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