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    • #203596
      Anonymous
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      Why is this shit so bloated?

    • #203597
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Oh no, my OS actually uses my RAM. I always buy plenty of RAM, but I only want 15% to be used at all times.

      • #203598
        Anonymous
        Guest

        sis look at the CPU usage ffs

        • #203599
          Anonymous
          Guest

          1%

          the folder icons are straight from a loonix distro from 2003 though

        • #203618
          Anonymous
          Guest

          1%?

        • #203623
          Anonymous
          Guest

          And even with that bloated UI it’s still more performant than Windows 10 was. I’m running it on an ancient machine with a HDD and it’s actually usable.

          1% and the CPU is downclocked to 1.33GHz. Where’s the issue?

          Cached shit doesn’t even show on usage, that’s 3gb and a half of pure garbage.

          And it will get cached when it needs to be cached. Seriously, you have no idea how this shit works, do you.

          • #203633
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >And it will get cached when it needs to be cached.
            Running services won’t. Maybe if you hit pagefile, but then byebye any resemblance of performance.

      • #203600
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >I only want 15% to be used at all times.
        Not OP, but yeah. I prefer to use my RAM for actually running programs. There’s no excusable reason that 44% is used at idle.

        • #203601
          Anonymous
          Guest

          ever think you might be missing something?

        • #203606
          Anonymous
          Guest

          That’s not how it works.

          • #203609
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Cached shit doesn’t even show on usage, that’s 3gb and a half of pure garbage.

            • #203620
              Anonymous
              Guest

              > Cached shit doesn’t even show on usage, that’s 3gb and a half of pure garbage.
              source: trust me bro
              there’s different tiers of caches, and they show up or not differently
              the point is that the OS is making use of free ram to be faster and not burn your SSD, and they all do this, you scrotebrained garden gnome

              • #203625
                Anonymous
                Guest

                so explain why is windows so slow

                • #203626
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Due Microsoft’s shitty engineering Windows is very disk IO heavy and incidentally Windows’ IO stack is horrible (although Win11 improved it quite a bit).
                  Get a SSD and it will be fine.

                  • #203627
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    but i thought it caches everything relevant to speed up things??

                    how can it be disk io heavy?

                    • #203628
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Ok so you’re just scrotebrained, go it.

                      • #203630
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        thats what you said tard. theres no caching happening, 3gb in OP pic is simply pure bloat

              • #203635
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Yeah by swapping to disk at 60% ram usage? Windows is total garbage in that regard

        • #203679
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >he only has 8GB of ram

          I’ve got 128GB. Shit could use 30GB at idle and I wouldn’t care

      • #203621
        Anonymous
        Guest

        At idle it should use 1 GB at most not freaking 3, that includes buffers.

        Also look at the CPU usage it must be doing some shady shit or just being bloated webshit like the trend is now.

        • #203692
          Anonymous
          Guest

          it should be below 100MB at idle

      • #203661
        Anonymous
        Guest

        websites and many programs are already needlessly bloated. I don’t need the OS taking up a fuckton of ram in addition to everything else.

      • #203676
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >I only want 15% to be used at all times.
        correct

      • #203688
        Anonymous
        Guest

        around 800 at most on boot.
        around 1200 with a double tab browser opened (including few utility programs).

      • #203691
        Anonymous
        Guest

        why would you want an operating system to use up your RAM and CPU time? the OS has one job: to get the fuck out of my way

      • #203701
        Anonymous
        Guest

        t. stupid scrote who stares at the default desktop wallpaper all day instead of actually using freaking computer programs to get things done

    • #203602
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >3,4gb memory used with nothing open
      windows bros…

      • #203605
        Anonymous
        Guest

        unused ram is wasted ram

        • #203608
          Anonymous
          Guest

          wasted ram is also wasted ram
          your quote is about caches, which op is not displaying, the memory usage on the left does not count caches

          • #203611
            Anonymous
            Guest

            ram is big cache

            • #203613
              Anonymous
              Guest

              i’m talking about system I/O caches specifically, if you really must make me spell it out

              • #203615
                Anonymous
                Guest

                ram is io

                • #203616
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  not in typical computer nomenclature it isn’t

        • #203677
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yeah i too buy a big house just to fill it with my own feces, because every single mm^3 that isnt filled with literal shit is wasted space.
          as if you are trying to be any slightly efficient when using windows.

          Now go grab your bottle of copium scrotebrain

      • #203640
        Anonymous
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        • #203643
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Android idling with 4GB is fine
          ?
          my phone running android 11 is currently using 2.23G ram, with a couple things open

        • #203660
          Anonymous
          Guest

          android is bad

        • #203671
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Android runs a VM, it’s never "idling". Though you can say the same for Windows and telemetry.

      • #203642
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >3,4gb memory used with nothing open
        this is why i switched to linux. my laptop was constantly buzzing and screeching using windows. now its zippy and quiet. no more bloatOS.

    • #203603
      Anonymous
      Guest

      just disable printspooler, that should free up some RAM

      WINDOWS ROCKS!

      • #203631
        Anonymous
        Guest

        that doesn’t work i am using win10, i had in 2.6 ram, i disabled some services now it is using 3.3 ram, shit windows is the worst shit i ever seen, i wonder if is the same with 32 bit

    • #203604
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why yes I do have a total understanding of memory allocation behaviour in a production-grade operating system. See, you just look at this percentage figure.

      • #203675
        Anonymous
        Guest

        anon, i am currently using 2.7GiB/16GiB of RAM, i have 5 browser tabs open in flatpakked chromium, element, KDE and konsole is running, and element, an electron app.

        how many resource intensive background processes on Windows actually benefit the user?

        which kernel is more performant yet more efficient?

        which kernel is more featureful and yet more stable and lightweight?

        (also, who knew you could bait wintoddlers too, see rest of thread)

    • #203607
      Anonymous
      Guest

      huh, they finally fixed the 100% cpu 24/7 bug

      • #203612
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >bug

    • #203610
      Anonymous
      Guest

      itoddlers have it worse. like 2-3 gb idle with no apps open

      • #203665
        Anonymous
        Guest

        > No Apps Open
        > 6 of the top 8 memory consuming apps are being executed by the user

        mfw

    • #203614
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Ask the Pajeets at Microsoft.
      I had a Windows VM on a Linux host and the thing absolutely choked on a 4-HDD RAID10 for several minutes after boot. Had to put it on an SSD just to have a usable system. That was with full host-side caching enabled with sync requests ignored (unsafe cache). Without that it was even worse.
      The only reason Windows is usable at all is because hardware keeps improving. Kinda feel bad for the poor bastards who have to buy cheap Windows laptops with HDDs.

      • #203617
        Anonymous
        Guest

        windows was intolerable on hdd’s in 10 as well
        i actually downgraded a laptop from 10 back to 7 /purely/ because it ran so poorly on a hdd
        ssds are really cheap now, so if you want 10/11, just get an ssd, they don’t care about hdd users anymore

    • #203619
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why are you so tech incompetent? Who knows.

    • #203622
      Anonymous
      Guest

      why do the folders so gay

    • #203624
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I’m starting to think that cached memory doesn’t actually do a thing

    • #203629
      Anonymous
      Guest

      That ram usage is a vaccine database and the cpu is checking you against that database. If you get the Microsoft Moderna shot it will go down.

    • #203632
      Anonymous
      Guest

      even on my pretty heavy linux main desktop, i’m using 3.3G right now, only that’s with a browser running, and mpv, discord, tor, syncthing, an rss reader, etc running

      • #203646
        Anonymous
        Guest

        You will easily stay under 1gb of ram on most distros, unless you’re using a bloated DE.
        On my autistic arch install, I use ~260mb of ram at idle, even with tor and a torrent client running in the background.

        Windows is absolute garbage.

        • #203647
          Anonymous
          Guest

          i’m not using a DE, i just have lots of stuff in the background, i also tend to dump lots of stuff in /tmp (not so much right now, but there is still a couple hundred megs sitting in there, i download things there then sort them later maybe), which is a ramdisk
          i’m not anal about memory usage on my desktop most of the time, because most of the time i only use a fraction of its 16G
          and yea, i run the same wm and basic interface on my laptop with 1G ram, but i do run that one leaner, you can do a lot with 1G ram, same stuff as on my desktop, just not necessarily all open at once

    • #203634
      Anonymous
      Guest

      My Windows 10 install unironically uses 1.3GB on boot and all I did was disabling telemetry shit, didn’t even unbloat it. What the absolute fuck is MS using all that memory for? Rounding corners? lmao

      • #203636
        Anonymous
        Guest

        just disabling telemetry in services?

        • #203637
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Just the telemetry preset in privatezilla. Ah, disabled Cortana too since I don’t use that annoying crap.

    • #203638
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Two freaking cores in 2021?

      • #203639
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Having more than two cores is the definition of bloat

    • #203641
      Anonymous
      Guest

      8 tab on browser, quake 3, terminal only 2gig, power of loonix.

      • #203645
        Anonymous
        Guest

        this, install fedora workstation op

      • #203654
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >gnome
        Enjoy your tablet interface without file picker

        • #203657
          Anonymous
          Guest
        • #203664
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Sorry what, can you repeat that?

    • #203644
      Anonymous
      Guest

      That is the least consistent ui I have ever seen. Looks like a half-hearted theme downloaded from deviantart. Sad!

    • #203648
      Anonymous
      Guest

      A lower RAM usage turns on and then pegs the hard drive constantly and burns the battery+CPU because resources need to be re-fetched and re-computed every time, instead of just pulling them from RAM which is always powered on anyway. The system is here to automatically reduce what’s cached in RAM when needed by your programs.
      If a high RAM usage results in slowness, maybe switch to an actual operating system.

      • #203649
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >it’s just cache bro
        no it’s not, the graph visible in OP does not include cache

      • #203650
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >it’s just cache bro
        no it’s not, the graph visible in OP does not include cache

        here, i drew on a random picture i found
        cache does not count towards used, because cache can be evicted if necessary, this is also why cache is also counted towards the available ram
        cache is basically not counted as usage at all, since it’s just opportunistic usage of otherwise unused ram ("unused ram is wasted ram"), literally just free performance, all operating systems work like this

        • #203655
          Anonymous
          Guest

          if the main graph showed cached as well, then it would eventually just read as full most of the time, since any well used system will have filled the free space with cache
          like i’m currently (in linux) using 3.7/16G, but with another 9.6G in caches, if it showed cache as usage, then it would look like i was running low on memory, even though i haven’t even used a third of it

    • #203651
      Anonymous
      Guest

      reasons to upgrade to win11?
      I have an unsupported CPU btw
      I can only install with help of weird ISO changing method

      • #203656
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >reasons to upgrade to win11?
        none

    • #203652
      Anonymous
      Guest

      what they exactly do with telemetry? why they don’t allow us disable as an option instead using regedit?

    • #203653
      Anonymous
      Guest

      So it can spy you better.

    • #203658
      Anonymous
      Guest

      stock wallpaper?

    • #203659
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yeah, it’s the main reason I came back to 10. I think a lot of this extra ram is because of the widget crap, even if you disable it it will still run in the background and it takes a lot of ram.

    • #203662
      Anonymous
      Guest

      you all are such scrotes
      >muh ram
      16gb is standard if you’re doing anything more than jacking off on /gif/
      /thread

      • #203668
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This.
        If you don’t run Linux get at least 16gb.
        For docker and windows get 32gb. 16 works but can get tight at times

        • #203670
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >For docker and windows get 32gb. 16 works but can get tight at times
          i couldnt run my dev environment with all the docker containers, text editor, browser and other misc stuff. constantly 90%+ memory usage on 16gb

          switched to linux and only 60% usage, lol

    • #203663
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why are you using the worst version of windows?

    • #203666
      Anonymous
      Guest

      old screenshot of me playing Control on max settings and I got a little bit more RAM than your Windows on idle, damn bro

    • #203667
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The whole GUI is a freaking Edge webview, what did you expect?

    • #203669
      Anonymous
      Guest

      unused ram is wasted ram

      • #203672
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >unused ram is wasted ram

        scrotebrained pajeet take. used ram is ram i can’t immediately allocate. the way nt allocates and manages swap sucks ass too. no, windows 10 genuinely sucks that much and wont ever recycle fast enough

        • #203673
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >scrotebrained pajeet take. used ram is ram i can’t immediately allocate. the way nt allocates and manages swap sucks ass too. no, windows 10 genuinely sucks that much and wont ever recycle fast enough

          inb4 your 64GB isn’t enough

    • #203674
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >ITT: scrotebrained linuxtrannies don’t understand that the important performance metric is paging file usage rather than physical memory usage

    • #203678
      Anonymous
      Guest

      scrote op complains about windows being bloated , then how cum your cpu usage is 1% mf ? what is bloated about this its literally showing proof of ur scrotebrainedness

    • #203680
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >tfw window caches 19.5GB of RAM

      • #203681
        Anonymous
        Guest

        thats what it is right? just cache?
        i havent used windows in years but i remeber it always using about 40% of ram no matter how much ram I had.

      • #203682
        Anonymous
        Guest

        10gb I had days windows idled at 6gb

      • #203697
        Anonymous
        Guest

        https://i.imgur.com/swMMfGq.gif

        >he wants things to load slowly

        • #203698
          Anonymous
          Guest

          they load slowly regardless

      • #203700
        Anonymous
        Guest

        is that after a fresh boot or do you have a bunch of VMs/browser tabs/video editing going on?

    • #203683
      Anonymous
      Guest

      How the ever living fuck do I get rid of this freaking garbage, permanently? None of the usual methods work anymore.

      • #203686
        Anonymous
        Guest

        1. Disable quick boot or hybrid boot or whatever it’s called
        2. Fire up a linux install (or a live cd)
        3. Mount drive
        4. Delete whatever the hell you want, including this scrote executable.

    • #203684
      Anonymous
      Guest

      wow the new taskbar looks ridiculous

    • #203685
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I think i’ll manage

    • #203687
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >he fell for the 8GB is enough meme

      • #203695
        Anonymous
        Guest

        i’m not paying £64+ to be able to run one more electron app simultaneously

    • #203689
      Anonymous
      Guest

      My Gentoo box, built in 2016, idles on the desktop, with conky and tint2, with 750-ish megabytes. With Discord, Steam, itch.io, FireFox (with multiple tabs open), and LibreOffice open it is using ~4.6gb of ram. I’m pretty sure that is inflated because I haven’t cleared out /var/tmp in a long long time (my uptime right now is 97 days, only rebooted due to a power outage), and I have that mounted as a ramdisk.

      Why do windows-tards act like having a shitty OS is a good thing?

      Gentoo just werks. Also, I get more FPS in all of the Tomb Raider games on Gentoo.

    • #203690
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >3GB RAM fresh install fresh boot
      that’s a new low

    • #203693
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I don’t get it. You’d have to try very, very hard to make something half as bloated as Windows is.

    • #203694
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why are you still using a goddamn i3?

    • #203696
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Only have spotify and the monitor app open.

    • #203699
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s freaking Windows. All you have to goddamn say. Any person using Windows in 2021 is old people in their 60s/70s, little kids playing shitty "games", morons, and shills.

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