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Why is so much of humanity unequal?
If you look at literally every state, past or present, you will always find that a class system exists. A class system makes it incumbent that there will be some who live a harder or harsher lifestyle. Generally, they’ll be poorer and have less freedom and mobility than others. Do you have any idea how many people in the world have to starve and live in poverty in order for a Westerner or first-world citizen to live the life they live? Now here’s the kicker, for all of human history no one has really challenged this type of system and thinking the way Karl Marx has. Marxism suggests dissolving this system of classes, whatever the medium of superiority may be (wealth, racism, ideology, etc). This seems logical because it prevents conflict and alleviates suffering from others. Keep in mind that the ones at the top are always going to be few in number.
So, why can’t humanity reject and dissemble classism?
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Such resource distributions are innate, you can’t disassemble them, attempts to do so will just end with a different group in the top bracket.
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>resource distribution are innate
No it isn’t? A state that has absolved classism can run the resources for the good of all. Taxes, regulations, and tariffs among others can be used to limit who ever is in "the top bracket".-
Yes anon, if only we repent and follow the word of god we will build paradise on earth
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Why have do attempts to usher this forth fail and end up with the people trying to do this in the ‘top bracket’ then?
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>Marxism suggests dissolving this system of classes
No it doesn’t.-
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>Give actual valid and logical arguments or go back to /pol.
Okay.
Where is your proof all humans are equal??
Simple as.
Also, Anon did you know SAGE is green and grows in all fields.-
When did I say that? But if you agree with a classist system, you think humans are inherently superior to others. Give you proof for this.
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>you think humans are inherently superior to others.
Yes, Some humans are inferior.
Some humans are smart some are dumb.
Some humans are mentally deranged insanity is not equal to sanity.
Some humans are more morally righteous then other.
Some humans have physical deformations that make them inferior to the physically able.
>Give you proof for this.
As above, so below.>When did I say that?
No sure if it was you or another anon, but in the OP
>Why is so much of humanity unequal?
The answer is obvious, cause humans aren’t equal.-
You didn’t give any proof, but let’s just say it is the case. Then the only solution is to remove whoever you think is superior/inferior. Why should you inhabit the same state? This is only going to result in a lack of cohesion, conflict, and degeneracy. History is the proof for this.
>The answer is obvious, cause humans aren’t equal.
You don’t understand. My question is why some people in India, for example, are called untouchable (dalit) and literally cannot get anything better than a predestinated poverty-stricken future even if they did everything right. It just seems like either they should split up, or conflict and problems will result.Chance. Some guy was able to spot an opportunity to get into power/get richer and he took it. Sorry bud, classism is just oppression veiled as a "natural system".
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>Chance. Some guy was able to spot an opportunity to get into power/get richer and he took it. Sorry bud, classism is just oppression veiled as a "natural system".
Proofs that literally every single event in human history that allowed someone to get ahead was 100% chance? That seems far more ridiculous than humans having unequal abilities.-
If that is the case, why would you need to install a classist system in the first place?
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Hierarchy is integral to the nature of humanity. There is not a single human society which has been devoid of hierarchy. Some people are better at certain things than others. In the most primitive societies, there are leaders and there are followers.
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Yes there is for example cops are scrotes, before cops existed everyone just killed scrotebrains like you and equality was achieved.
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The most common forms of hierarchy haven’t been the result of alleged natural ability, biological superiority, divine ordinance, or whatever. The most common form was simply seniority and experience.
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>Then the only solution is to remove whoever you think is superior/inferior.
Why?
>Why should you inhabit the same state?
Why shouldn’t I inhabit the same state as them?>This is only going to result in a lack of cohesion conflict, and degeneracy. >History is the proof for this.
So you admit that history proved that people are not inherently equal.
That was actually easier than I thought.>You don’t understand.
Clearly not.
>My question is why some people in India, for example, are called untouchable (dalit) and literally cannot get anything better than a predestinated poverty-stricken future
In this case I will refer you back to your the first sentence of your very own post.
>proof?-
Also cops are scrotes and the entire debate is 2 scrotebrains arguing with each other
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>people are unequal therefore we live under classism
>the idea that someone getting ahead was entirely down to 100% chance is ridiculous and you have no proof. It’s more likely humans have unequal abilities
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If that is the case, why would you need to install a classist system in the first place?>yeah but if humans have unequal abilities then why do we would we live under a classist system (which I established we live under because people aren’t equal).
Did I really just read this chain of “logic”-
Also cops are scrotes and hierarchy is just scrotes attacking people
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>Give you proof for this.
The picture in the OP, if all humans had equal ability how did this unequalness come into being? -
I can smash your head in with one hand tied behind my back. Done.
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Marxism never gets rid of the ruling class that is the government itself, therefore it never is against the class system, that’s the iron law of oligarchy. That’s why every attempt to follow marixsm ends up in a dictatorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class-
>new-class theory was also used extensively by anti-communist commentators in the Western world in their criticism of the Communist states during the Cold War
bravo mr shillnow go back to your containment board
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>report this scrote
Ooooof, that’s a reportable offence (not saying I’m reporting tho)[…] #
This wasn’t me, differant anon.
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This was me.>he spams the same shit nearly every thread
While I would love to take credit for having free real estate in your brain, that wasn’t me in whatever other threads you are talking about.>that wasn’t me
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Marxists are stupid but anarchists are just power blind. You will have your principles and freedoms, a statist of any kind will have levee en masse and war economy. The anarchists will exist as a political division as much as the states around them allow for it, once they stop caring, they’ll become prey
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>anarchists
>You
he isnt
you’re probably new
this dude is a mr spam pooping LULZ for 2 years at least
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>Marxism never gets rid of the ruling class
It does though.The natural human tendency to subvert and oppress others. This is why I believe that a classist state isn’t really a state but an anarchy with a defined oligarchy.
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>It does though.
No it doesn’t, that may be your ideal perfect marxism, in reality it never does.-
Well then couldn’t you also say the same for the opposite? Because no ideology is 100% effective. Marxism doesn’t always work but classism always ends in conflict or states splitting apart. You are willing to sacrifice the future of the state for a classist system and temporary enjoyment?
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>You are willing to sacrifice the future of the state for a classist system and temporary enjoyment?
Are there any examples of countries currently or historically with a state without a classist system?-
The issue here is that no country will flat out declare a classist system, but it’s effects can be seen on every level and in every way. The closest you can get to an equal and fair system is through socialism and Marxism. Natural human tendencies and greed along with just random chance will put some people down and others up, but there is no way to solve the issue of human greed. Again, I’m just pointing out that 99% of societies have just accepted this system and people suffer as a result.
If that is the case, which it isn’t 90% of the time, then those who are "better at certain things than others" should go form their own societies, right? That’s all classes do, they just insulate the ones who are "better at certain things than others" from the one’s who aren’t, while also allowing the ones who are "better at certain things than others" to somehow benefit from the others.
Go away.
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Are you actually scrotebrained, or only pretending?
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>ad hominem
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I’m not angry, I am genuinely bewildered and confused by your posts. Hence my question.
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Also cops are scrotes and you are arguing with yourself
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People who are better at certain things also depend on other people to do the things that they are unable or unwilling to do. Humans are communal, hierarchical, and they pass their inheritance to their children.
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Actually cops are just scrotes and attack people, but you don’t care.
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>This is why I believe that a classist state isn’t really a state but an anarchy
Anarchy is the absence of cohercion, there’s always cohercion under a states.-
>Anarchy is the absence of cohercion
ie turbo utopism-
Also cops are scrotes
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so spam shitters
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Oh wow, an actual TradMarxist true believer, you don’t see so many of those any more. Hi there Cultist.
Outside of your fun little fantasy world all that communism does is replace the landed aristocracy with a political/bureaucratic aristocracy. It’s never any different or better for the poor bastards on the ground, although it is usually a more targeted and intentional form of oppression.
>But muh REEL communism!
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>Marxism never gets rid of the ruling class
>It does though."Dude just trust me, the ruling class would be gone and the people in charge of ruling and upkeeping the communist state would somehow have no more power than others!
And even if they did, they would use it to the people’s benefit, not their own!"-
Also communism is a market economy
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Some people are mightier than others, some people are smarter than others, some people are more charismatic than others
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t."contrarian" capitalist shill
40% already
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>Why is so much of humanity unequal?
Because humans aren’t all equal.
Also another fun fact, did you know sage is green and grows in all fields. Well isn’t that interesting. -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI
Listen to Thomas Sowell.
There is no expectation of Equality. 70% of Astronauts are first or only children.
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Because you are incapable of resolving your grievances without horrific violence and theft en masse. Most people freaking hate you for that reason.
In addition, all things being equal some individuals will inevitably outperform others and find more success. You cannot force variance in ability out of humanity.
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>Most people freaking hate you for that reason.
Most people are us. In the US, the majority of people favor a tax system that taxes rich people more than they currently are.-
Taxes are literally meaningless. Capitalism is pointless, jobs are pointless, the entire thing is irrelevant.
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Announcing report is bannable too, scrotebrain
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spam/flood/trolling/avatars too
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>report this scrote
Ooooof, that’s a reportable offence (not saying I’m reporting tho)>Marxism suggests dissolving this system of classes
No it doesn’t.#
This wasn’t me, differant anon.>Why is so much of humanity unequal?
Because humans aren’t all equal.
Also another fun fact, did you know sage is green and grows in all fields. Well isn’t that interesting.(You) #
>Give actual valid and logical arguments or go back to /pol.
Okay.
Where is your proof all humans are equal??
Simple as.
Also, Anon did you know SAGE is green and grows in all fields.(You) #
This was me.>he spams the same shit nearly every thread
While I would love to take credit for having free real estate in your brain, that wasn’t me in whatever other threads you are talking about. -
There’s always a bigger fish, if an ambitious driven intelligent person becomes rich what’s really gonna make them stop acquiring more wealth for themselves at the detriment of others?
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Class is ultimately power imbalance. Those in power use their power to stir the pot and keep the malcontents attacking each other. It’s basically what police are. You tell some fat dimwit he can have a stable middle class life if he enforces the laws that uphold the class system then he will take the slight improvement in his station.
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>So, why can’t humanity reject and dissemble classism?
>"Guys, the state isn’t a class unto itself, I swear. Once we use the state to get rid of class, the state will miraculously be identical to the people, exactly like how democracy works everywhere else! WE WON’T HAVE CLASS ANYMORE, GUYS, EXCEPT FOR THE STATE BUT THAT’S OKAY IT’LL BE BENEVOLENT I SWEAR!!"
>"NO ONE HAS DONE IT BEFORE GUYS ONLY MARX IS UNIQUE IN THIS I SWEAR!!!!!! WITHOUT CLASSES WE WON’T HAVE ANY CONFLICT – please ignore this has literally never happened under any form of communism and Marx himself admits that constant conflict will be necessary to institute and maintain communism – BUT NO ONE WILL EVER SUFFER I SWEAR JUST TRUST ME BECAUSE REASONS!!!!!!"
Haaaaaaaaaa………….
Marxism isn’t a solution to this, and absolutely no one wants this. That’s why no one rejects classes, why communist regimes are hell-holes, and why they all inevitably die from the inside out.
The worst part about commie scumfucks is they think their nearly 200 year old ideology isn’t as dead as capitalism, simply because it’s marginally newer. Capitalism is shit, and communism might actually be the only system that’s worse.
You idiots will never find a solution through Marxism, because the vast majority of people want to not be ruled by anyone, including – and especially – the state.-
Also the left supports cops. Angela Davis supported German police.
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What can we as LULZtorians do to expunge the influence Rousseau from the face of the earth?
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Literally kill cops
Rousseau/Locke supported cops
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Humans are obviously hierarchical, look at our closest relatives. You have silverbacks and other dominant males.
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Also cops are scrotes, your "hierarchy" is just scrotes attacking people. That’s why you’re scrotebrained and only breathe through your mouth.
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Even bonobos are hierarchical. Not as much as chimps, but humans are more closely related to chimps anyway.
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Also cops are scrotes. So hierarchy is just scrotes attacking people. Which is what all your examples are. You’re just, like, scrotebrained or something and can’t read.
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We’re not identical to chimpanzees in any way. For most of human existence, the most common social system was similar to what you would see in wolves for example. The family was the primary social unit.
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https://i.imgur.com/8Tpg20P.gif
Power corrupts, anon. The rich want more, and there’s only one way to get more.
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You can make the same chart for each part of this chart and then divide it into the same charts.
the same you can keep killing other "classes" until you are the only one left.-
There’s only one class, scrotes, and cops are scrotes
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Reading Chimpanzee Politics is revealing.
It’s my personal opinion that 99% of people suffer from primitive brain, and it has been the task of humanity’s best and brightest 1% to drag the rest in the direction of something better, more noble.
The result of these geniuses have built our advanced civilizations and tech, along with devising systems to encourage good behavior and shedding our primitive instincts until very recently, and even then nowadays we are technologically advanced but socially primitive.-
Pretty much. Of course, nobody wants to admit that they most likely suffer from terminal chimp brain.
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The best and brigest also suffer from chimp brain. Will to power is peak chimp brain.
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