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    • #199836
      Anonymous
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      Why is so much of humanity unequal?

      If you look at literally every state, past or present, you will always find that a class system exists. A class system makes it incumbent that there will be some who live a harder or harsher lifestyle. Generally, they’ll be poorer and have less freedom and mobility than others. Do you have any idea how many people in the world have to starve and live in poverty in order for a Westerner or first-world citizen to live the life they live? Now here’s the kicker, for all of human history no one has really challenged this type of system and thinking the way Karl Marx has. Marxism suggests dissolving this system of classes, whatever the medium of superiority may be (wealth, racism, ideology, etc). This seems logical because it prevents conflict and alleviates suffering from others. Keep in mind that the ones at the top are always going to be few in number.

      So, why can’t humanity reject and dissemble classism?

    • #199837
      Anonymous
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      Such resource distributions are innate, you can’t disassemble them, attempts to do so will just end with a different group in the top bracket.

      • #199840
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >resource distribution are innate
        No it isn’t? A state that has absolved classism can run the resources for the good of all. Taxes, regulations, and tariffs among others can be used to limit who ever is in "the top bracket".

        • #199845
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yes anon, if only we repent and follow the word of god we will build paradise on earth

        • #199848
          Anonymous
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          Why have do attempts to usher this forth fail and end up with the people trying to do this in the ‘top bracket’ then?

    • #199838
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Marxism suggests dissolving this system of classes
      No it doesn’t.

      • #199841
        Anonymous
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        >Why is so much of humanity unequal?
        Because humans aren’t all equal.
        Also another fun fact, did you know sage is green and grows in all fields. Well isn’t that interesting.

        Give actual valid and logical arguments or go back to /pol.

        • #199844
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Give actual valid and logical arguments or go back to /pol.
          Okay.
          Where is your proof all humans are equal??
          Simple as.
          Also, Anon did you know SAGE is green and grows in all fields.

          • #199859
            Anonymous
            Guest

            When did I say that? But if you agree with a classist system, you think humans are inherently superior to others. Give you proof for this.

            • #199863
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >you think humans are inherently superior to others.
              Yes, Some humans are inferior.
              Some humans are smart some are dumb.
              Some humans are mentally deranged insanity is not equal to sanity.
              Some humans are more morally righteous then other.
              Some humans have physical deformations that make them inferior to the physically able.
              >Give you proof for this.
              As above, so below.

              >When did I say that?
              No sure if it was you or another anon, but in the OP
              >Why is so much of humanity unequal?
              The answer is obvious, cause humans aren’t equal.

              • #199867
                Anonymous
                Guest

                You didn’t give any proof, but let’s just say it is the case. Then the only solution is to remove whoever you think is superior/inferior. Why should you inhabit the same state? This is only going to result in a lack of cohesion, conflict, and degeneracy. History is the proof for this.
                >The answer is obvious, cause humans aren’t equal.
                You don’t understand. My question is why some people in India, for example, are called untouchable (dalit) and literally cannot get anything better than a predestinated poverty-stricken future even if they did everything right. It just seems like either they should split up, or conflict and problems will result.

                >Give you proof for this.
                The picture in the OP, if all humans had equal ability how did this unequalness come into being?

                Chance. Some guy was able to spot an opportunity to get into power/get richer and he took it. Sorry bud, classism is just oppression veiled as a "natural system".

                • #199869
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >Chance. Some guy was able to spot an opportunity to get into power/get richer and he took it. Sorry bud, classism is just oppression veiled as a "natural system".
                  Proofs that literally every single event in human history that allowed someone to get ahead was 100% chance? That seems far more ridiculous than humans having unequal abilities.

                  • #199871
                    Anonymous
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                    Some people are mightier than others, some people are smarter than others, some people are more charismatic than others

                    If that is the case, why would you need to install a classist system in the first place?

                    • #199874
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Hierarchy is integral to the nature of humanity. There is not a single human society which has been devoid of hierarchy. Some people are better at certain things than others. In the most primitive societies, there are leaders and there are followers.

                      • #199875
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Yes there is for example cops are scrotes, before cops existed everyone just killed scrotebrains like you and equality was achieved.

                      • #199905
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        The most common forms of hierarchy haven’t been the result of alleged natural ability, biological superiority, divine ordinance, or whatever. The most common form was simply seniority and experience.

                • #199887
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >Then the only solution is to remove whoever you think is superior/inferior.
                  Why?
                  >Why should you inhabit the same state?
                  Why shouldn’t I inhabit the same state as them?

                  >This is only going to result in a lack of cohesion conflict, and degeneracy. >History is the proof for this.
                  So you admit that history proved that people are not inherently equal.
                  That was actually easier than I thought.

                  >You don’t understand.
                  Clearly not.
                  >My question is why some people in India, for example, are called untouchable (dalit) and literally cannot get anything better than a predestinated poverty-stricken future
                  In this case I will refer you back to your the first sentence of your very own post.
                  >proof?

                  • #199888
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Also cops are scrotes and the entire debate is 2 scrotebrains arguing with each other

                • #199889
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >people are unequal therefore we live under classism

                  >Chance. Some guy was able to spot an opportunity to get into power/get richer and he took it. Sorry bud, classism is just oppression veiled as a "natural system".
                  Proofs that literally every single event in human history that allowed someone to get ahead was 100% chance? That seems far more ridiculous than humans having unequal abilities.

                  >the idea that someone getting ahead was entirely down to 100% chance is ridiculous and you have no proof. It’s more likely humans have unequal abilities

                  […]
                  If that is the case, why would you need to install a classist system in the first place?

                  >yeah but if humans have unequal abilities then why do we would we live under a classist system (which I established we live under because people aren’t equal).
                  Did I really just read this chain of “logic”

                  • #199890
                    Anonymous
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                    Also cops are scrotes and hierarchy is just scrotes attacking people

            • #199865
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Give you proof for this.
              The picture in the OP, if all humans had equal ability how did this unequalness come into being?

            • #199909
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I can smash your head in with one hand tied behind my back. Done.

        • #199846
          Anonymous
          Guest

          t."contrarian" capitalist shill
          40% already

          Marxism never gets rid of the ruling class that is the government itself, therefore it never is against the class system, that’s the iron law of oligarchy. That’s why every attempt to follow marixsm ends up in a dictatorship.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class

          • #199850
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >new-class theory was also used extensively by anti-communist commentators in the Western world in their criticism of the Communist states during the Cold War
            bravo mr shill

            now go back to your containment board

            […]

            • #199852
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Not an argument

              • #199854
                Anonymous
                Guest

                exactly is

                […]
                >report this scrote
                Ooooof, that’s a reportable offence (not saying I’m reporting tho)

                […] #
                This wasn’t me, differant anon.
                […] (You) #
                This was me.

                >he spams the same shit nearly every thread
                While I would love to take credit for having free real estate in your brain, that wasn’t me in whatever other threads you are talking about.

                >that wasn’t me
                filenames

          • #199855
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Marxists are stupid but anarchists are just power blind. You will have your principles and freedoms, a statist of any kind will have levee en masse and war economy. The anarchists will exist as a political division as much as the states around them allow for it, once they stop caring, they’ll become prey

            • #199856
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >anarchists
              >You
              he isnt
              you’re probably new
              this dude is a mr spam pooping LULZ for 2 years at least

          • #199857
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Marxism never gets rid of the ruling class
            It does though.

            Why have do attempts to usher this forth fail and end up with the people trying to do this in the ‘top bracket’ then?

            The natural human tendency to subvert and oppress others. This is why I believe that a classist state isn’t really a state but an anarchy with a defined oligarchy.

            • #199858
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >It does though.
              No it doesn’t, that may be your ideal perfect marxism, in reality it never does.

              • #199862
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Well then couldn’t you also say the same for the opposite? Because no ideology is 100% effective. Marxism doesn’t always work but classism always ends in conflict or states splitting apart. You are willing to sacrifice the future of the state for a classist system and temporary enjoyment?

                • #199868
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >You are willing to sacrifice the future of the state for a classist system and temporary enjoyment?
                  Are there any examples of countries currently or historically with a state without a classist system?

                  • #199880
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    The issue here is that no country will flat out declare a classist system, but it’s effects can be seen on every level and in every way. The closest you can get to an equal and fair system is through socialism and Marxism. Natural human tendencies and greed along with just random chance will put some people down and others up, but there is no way to solve the issue of human greed. Again, I’m just pointing out that 99% of societies have just accepted this system and people suffer as a result.

                    Hierarchy is integral to the nature of humanity. There is not a single human society which has been devoid of hierarchy. Some people are better at certain things than others. In the most primitive societies, there are leaders and there are followers.

                    If that is the case, which it isn’t 90% of the time, then those who are "better at certain things than others" should go form their own societies, right? That’s all classes do, they just insulate the ones who are "better at certain things than others" from the one’s who aren’t, while also allowing the ones who are "better at certain things than others" to somehow benefit from the others.

                    Yes there is for example cops are scrotes, before cops existed everyone just killed scrotebrains like you and equality was achieved.

                    Go away.

                    • #199881
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Are you actually scrotebrained, or only pretending?

                      • #199882
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >ad hominem
                        Which part of my argument is making you angry?

                      • #199883
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I’m not angry, I am genuinely bewildered and confused by your posts. Hence my question.

                    • #199884
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Also cops are scrotes and you are arguing with yourself

                    • #199885
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      People who are better at certain things also depend on other people to do the things that they are unable or unwilling to do. Humans are communal, hierarchical, and they pass their inheritance to their children.

                      • #199886
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Actually cops are just scrotes and attack people, but you don’t care.

            • #199860
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >This is why I believe that a classist state isn’t really a state but an anarchy
              Anarchy is the absence of cohercion, there’s always cohercion under a states.

              • #199864
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Anarchy is the absence of cohercion
                ie turbo utopism

                • #199872
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Also cops are scrotes

                  • #199873
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    so spam shitters

            • #199891
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Oh wow, an actual TradMarxist true believer, you don’t see so many of those any more. Hi there Cultist.

              Outside of your fun little fantasy world all that communism does is replace the landed aristocracy with a political/bureaucratic aristocracy. It’s never any different or better for the poor bastards on the ground, although it is usually a more targeted and intentional form of oppression.

              >But muh REEL communism!
              You have to know how scrotebrained that attempt at an argument is by now.

            • #199893
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Marxism never gets rid of the ruling class
              >It does though.

              "Dude just trust me, the ruling class would be gone and the people in charge of ruling and upkeeping the communist state would somehow have no more power than others!
              And even if they did, they would use it to the people’s benefit, not their own!"

              • #199894
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Also communism is a market economy

        • #199870
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Some people are mightier than others, some people are smarter than others, some people are more charismatic than others

      • #199842
        Anonymous
        Guest

        t."contrarian" capitalist shill
        40% already

    • #199839
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why is so much of humanity unequal?
      Because humans aren’t all equal.
      Also another fun fact, did you know sage is green and grows in all fields. Well isn’t that interesting.

    • #199843
      Anonymous
      Guest

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI
      Listen to Thomas Sowell.
      There is no expectation of Equality. 70% of Astronauts are first or only children.
      If we cannot get equality with the same genes, the same parents, in the same family, how do you expect it everywhere else?

    • #199847
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because you are incapable of resolving your grievances without horrific violence and theft en masse. Most people freaking hate you for that reason.

      In addition, all things being equal some individuals will inevitably outperform others and find more success. You cannot force variance in ability out of humanity.

      • #199902
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Most people freaking hate you for that reason.
        Most people are us. In the US, the majority of people favor a tax system that taxes rich people more than they currently are.

        • #199903
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Taxes are literally meaningless. Capitalism is pointless, jobs are pointless, the entire thing is irrelevant.

    • #199849
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      Announcing report is bannable too, scrotebrain

      • #199853
        Anonymous
        Guest

        spam/flood/trolling/avatars too

    • #199851
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      >report this scrote
      Ooooof, that’s a reportable offence (not saying I’m reporting tho)

      >Marxism suggests dissolving this system of classes
      No it doesn’t.

      #
      This wasn’t me, differant anon.

      >Why is so much of humanity unequal?
      Because humans aren’t all equal.
      Also another fun fact, did you know sage is green and grows in all fields. Well isn’t that interesting.

      (You) #

      >Give actual valid and logical arguments or go back to /pol.
      Okay.
      Where is your proof all humans are equal??
      Simple as.
      Also, Anon did you know SAGE is green and grows in all fields.

      (You) #
      This was me.

      >he spams the same shit nearly every thread
      While I would love to take credit for having free real estate in your brain, that wasn’t me in whatever other threads you are talking about.

    • #199861
      Anonymous
      Guest

      There’s always a bigger fish, if an ambitious driven intelligent person becomes rich what’s really gonna make them stop acquiring more wealth for themselves at the detriment of others?

    • #199866
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Class is ultimately power imbalance. Those in power use their power to stir the pot and keep the malcontents attacking each other. It’s basically what police are. You tell some fat dimwit he can have a stable middle class life if he enforces the laws that uphold the class system then he will take the slight improvement in his station.

    • #199876
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >So, why can’t humanity reject and dissemble classism?
      >"Guys, the state isn’t a class unto itself, I swear. Once we use the state to get rid of class, the state will miraculously be identical to the people, exactly like how democracy works everywhere else! WE WON’T HAVE CLASS ANYMORE, GUYS, EXCEPT FOR THE STATE BUT THAT’S OKAY IT’LL BE BENEVOLENT I SWEAR!!"
      >"NO ONE HAS DONE IT BEFORE GUYS ONLY MARX IS UNIQUE IN THIS I SWEAR!!!!!! WITHOUT CLASSES WE WON’T HAVE ANY CONFLICT – please ignore this has literally never happened under any form of communism and Marx himself admits that constant conflict will be necessary to institute and maintain communism – BUT NO ONE WILL EVER SUFFER I SWEAR JUST TRUST ME BECAUSE REASONS!!!!!!"
      Haaaaaaaaaa………….
      Marxism isn’t a solution to this, and absolutely no one wants this. That’s why no one rejects classes, why communist regimes are hell-holes, and why they all inevitably die from the inside out.
      The worst part about commie scumfucks is they think their nearly 200 year old ideology isn’t as dead as capitalism, simply because it’s marginally newer. Capitalism is shit, and communism might actually be the only system that’s worse.
      You idiots will never find a solution through Marxism, because the vast majority of people want to not be ruled by anyone, including – and especially – the state.

      • #199877
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Also the left supports cops. Angela Davis supported German police.

    • #199878
      Anonymous
      Guest

      What can we as LULZtorians do to expunge the influence Rousseau from the face of the earth?

      • #199879
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Literally kill cops
        Rousseau/Locke supported cops

    • #199892
      Anonymous
      Guest

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    • #199895
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Humans are obviously hierarchical, look at our closest relatives. You have silverbacks and other dominant males.

      • #199896
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Also cops are scrotes, your "hierarchy" is just scrotes attacking people. That’s why you’re scrotebrained and only breathe through your mouth.

      • #199897
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Even bonobos are hierarchical. Not as much as chimps, but humans are more closely related to chimps anyway.

        • #199898
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Also cops are scrotes. So hierarchy is just scrotes attacking people. Which is what all your examples are. You’re just, like, scrotebrained or something and can’t read.

      • #199904
        Anonymous
        Guest

        We’re not identical to chimpanzees in any way. For most of human existence, the most common social system was similar to what you would see in wolves for example. The family was the primary social unit.

    • #199899
      Anonymous
      Guest

      https://i.imgur.com/8Tpg20P.gif

      Power corrupts, anon. The rich want more, and there’s only one way to get more.

    • #199900
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You can make the same chart for each part of this chart and then divide it into the same charts.
      the same you can keep killing other "classes" until you are the only one left.

      • #199901
        Anonymous
        Guest

        There’s only one class, scrotes, and cops are scrotes

    • #199906
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Reading Chimpanzee Politics is revealing.
      It’s my personal opinion that 99% of people suffer from primitive brain, and it has been the task of humanity’s best and brightest 1% to drag the rest in the direction of something better, more noble.
      The result of these geniuses have built our advanced civilizations and tech, along with devising systems to encourage good behavior and shedding our primitive instincts until very recently, and even then nowadays we are technologically advanced but socially primitive.

      • #199907
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Pretty much. Of course, nobody wants to admit that they most likely suffer from terminal chimp brain.

      • #199908
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The best and brigest also suffer from chimp brain. Will to power is peak chimp brain.

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