Why is Odin the head of the Norse pantheon when in others he’s the sun-god?

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    • #86323
      Anonymous
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      Why is Odin the paternal head of the Norse pantheon when in others it’s some variant of the sun-god?

    • #86324
      Anonymous
      Guest

      because you can’t see the sun in scandinavia

      • #86395
        Anonymous
        Guest

        you get 24 hour sunlight in the summer in scandinavia

        • #86494
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >you get 24 hour cloud cover in the summer in scandinavia

    • #86325
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Odin is Mercury

    • #86326
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      Odin is a person-shaman who became a god, make of that what you will.

      • #86327
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Odin also hates scrotes

        • #86328
          My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
          Guest

          Source?

          • #86330
            Anonymous
            Guest

            I spoke to him, he told me, he only speaks to his aryan sons

        • #86329
          My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
          Guest

          Odin is described by the oldest known work of Norse beliefs to survive, the writings of Icelandic Norseman Snorri Sturlson, to be a TÜRK.

          • #86332
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Turks are not a race, most modern Turks are armenoid/farmscrotes haplogroup G2

            Turks got their name from the steppe conquerors who were white and red haired like pic related

            • #86333
              My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
              Guest

              >most modern Turks are armenoid/farmscrotes haplogroup G2
              G2: 10% in Turkey, mostly among Muslim Georgians or Caucasians.

              I have zero Armenian myself.

            • #86336
              My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
              Guest
              • #86337
                Anonymous
                Guest

                You understand virtually nothing about the Eddas or folk history tbh. Lots of people later on claimed to be descendants of Greek epics. This is something popularized by the Roman folk origin story. The same similarities exist with The Bible as well. Some sources give Odin’s descent even further back to more obscure figures like Geat.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_royal_genealogies

                • #86338
                  My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
                  Guest

                  I’m aware, and it’s because Troy is the manifestation of Anatolid genius and Trojan-relatives had spread knowledge of farming, religion, advanced society to the hunter gatherers. Moreover, even CWC was about half Anatolian.

                  However this is also a serious claim, and it is not made in jest. Consider that Snorri is the only serious source of Norse religion that we have, it carries weight.

                  Odin is described as a wandering wise man from the East, and south.

                  • #86348
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >Consider that Snorri is the only serious source of Norse religion that we have
                    This is incredibly wrong. He is one of the most inaccurate. The elder eddas and sagas are much more reiable. Hávamál was probably composed in the 9th century and written down later. Snorri was purposefully euhemerizing the gods to explain how the first people “stopped worshipping the one true faith in God” and became pagan.

                    • #86351
                      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
                      Guest

                      >elder eddas
                      Can you articulate what if anything is in direct contradiction with Snorri? He was merely writing down what was already a long oral tradition.

                      • #86352
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Not a contradiction. He adds many things not known in older versions. Much of it is considered to be his own invention

                • #86340
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  The old turkic script looks suspiciously like the runes though

                  • #86487
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Germanic runes literally come from italic and greek alphabets. Odin was a med.

                    • #86490
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      The runes were most likely woke af off of various scripts used in the Alpine region so it was only indirectly from meds.

                      • #86491
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >only indirectly from meds
                        yeah sorry but no, not at all. The elder futhark comes directly from the Latin alphabet. What other alpine scripts are you referring to?

                        The magical meanings behind runes is a Germanic invention though

                      • #86492
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        The Camunic, Lepontic, Venetic and Rhaetic scripts who in turn are derived from the Etruscan alphabet.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBoFjhNwziY

                  • #86489
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    The Old Turkic script is about 500 years younger than Elder Futhark, and the letters that do look alike represent completely different sounds.

              • #86339
                Anonymous
                Guest

                You will always be a brown farmscrote

                • #86357
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >t. no more then 50% farmscrote

              • #86343
                Anonymous
                Guest

                This and probably Scots or Picts or whoever who claimed to be Scythian, that’s probably rooted in some passed down memory of coming from elsewhere pre-maps/writing. Barely anyone traveled most likely, couldn’t read or write, and so when they heard tell of Troy down in the uncharted south or about Scythians they thought it sounded like what their grandparents used to talk about and these kinds of things.

              • #86353
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Troy is literally in Finland. The sister city of Troy is even named as being a Norse city for fucks sake. Snorri even cites it later in his Heimskringla.

              • #86374
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Turks are the result of whites raping Mongols. Cope seethe and dilate.

            • #86481
              Anonymous
              Guest

              please stop posting if you cannot find clear and concise words to use. nobody wants to slog through your meme-barf.

              • #86488
                Anonymous
                Guest

                I see the problem here: you’re scrotebrained.

                I’ll try do dumb it down for you… Before the Muslims finally sacked Constantinople in 1400ad, and changed the name to Istanbul (This is in what is called "Turkey" in modern times) it was the capitol of the Byzantine empire which itself was a remnant of the Roman empire–eg white. The fact that it was predominantly white in the historical record, beyond the written records and art, is supported by genetic research.

                The Muslims preserves several works that predated their invasions while the originals were lost. That doesn’t mean the authors of said works liked scrotes.

                Now crawl back under your rock mouth breather.

        • #86444
          Anonymous
          Guest
    • #86331
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      A shaman from “TYRKLAND” (modern Swede for “Turkey”), Odin was elevated to the chief position by virtue of his exceptional talent, knowledge, and expertise.

    • #86334
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      He was a Steppe-Trojan-Turk who taught knowledge to primitive Norsemen and was worshipped as a result. This is consistent with Snorri’s description of his homeland as “Troy”.

    • #86335
      Anonymous
      Guest

      What IE religions are headed by a Sun God, OP?

    • #86341
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      Scratch that. I am not a europoid and do not resemble yuropee-ans but this isn’t about me…

      It’s about the Trojan Turk shaman who managed to accumulate such shamanic-skill set that he literally ascended to the divine, named Odin

      • #86342
        Anonymous
        Guest

        So you’re telling me my cultural heritage is TÜRKED
        This was an interesting thread, thanks for posting

        • #86344
          My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
          Guest

          Yep. Happy to help clarify this topic.

          This and probably Scots or Picts or whoever who claimed to be Scythian, that’s probably rooted in some passed down memory of coming from elsewhere pre-maps/writing. Barely anyone traveled most likely, couldn’t read or write, and so when they heard tell of Troy down in the uncharted south or about Scythians they thought it sounded like what their grandparents used to talk about and these kinds of things.

          I doubt it. People usually claimed these things because of a real-basis. The Scythian-origin is sometimes conflated with the Hunnic-Germanic interactions too, especially when it pertains to Alemannic and Frankish households. It seems a Trojan wise man traveled north, and communicated his wisdom to the people he encountered. It happens.

          • #86346
            Anonymous
            Guest

            No, I know people trekked around and maybe you’re right, but it’s a stretch. I heard on the STJ podcast someone who consulted on the Viking DNA paper, he thought there might be some kind of outsized Greek/maybe Trojan impact in Scandinavian haplogroups, I think he was talking about I1 in particular. I think this would be easy to discredit and won’t be looking into it, and might be unrelated to what you’re talking about, but it’s a fun similarly scrotebrained-looking thought to mull over.

            • #86347
              My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
              Guest

              It would be just one person. Consider this map of J2(Anatolid). Notice the 1-5% in north Europe and 5-10% in Sweden.

              Sometimes individuals are special. To give you a sense of what’s possible. Thomas Jefferson, originally from West Midlands England, had T-L206– exceptionally rare in England but it occurs at less than 0.3%.

              Anatolian haplogroups occur at a higher rate than this in north Europe and Scandinavia.

              • #86349
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >one special person
                Yes
                I know you’re not saying Odin was necessarily J2, but obviously J2 could have entered any which way with any which population or individual or small group of people, might have been present among a fairly typical CW group or whatever. As for T, it’s rare for sure, but it’s not particularly extraordinary, haplos seep into populations and not everyone’s sampled, there are probably a handful more of A00s out there in odd European places. Looking at Yfull for instance creates the illusion that there are only for instance 15 people who have this or that group when in fact it’s probably always something like 100x more of each per population, pulling that number out of my ass.

                • #86350
                  My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
                  Guest

                  Yes well, we don’t know if Odin even reproduced (with humans) or if one individual might leave a significant genetic marker (I’m aware it’s possible but it’s rare).

            • #86447
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Yeah, I listened to that too. That guy is very likable, but he gets a lot of details wrong unfortunately. As I remember it, they were talking about this in the context of Mycenean-Nordic interactions during the Bronze Age, which there is no hard evidence for either way. I believe he implicitly suggested I1 could have entered Scandinavia by way of some faux-Mycenean colonization even. That’s the kind of theory that sounds believable if your only source is Eupedia-maps, but just comes off batshit crazy when subjected to any scrutiny whatsoever.
              t. Norskie

              • #86449
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Mycenean-Nordic interactions during the Bronze Age, which there is no hard evidence for either way
                Except the sites in Germany where Linear B has been found.

                • #86452
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  In Germany, not in Scandinavia. The Mycenean influence was probably mediated through Central European contacts.

                  • #86454
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >In Germany, not in Scandinavia
                    You’re a stooge.

                    • #86469
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Germany isn’t Nordic, do you comprehend?

    • #86345
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      Consider that Troy was not well known about and the actual Trojan-Roman connection— mocked by some as supposed Julio-Claudian propaganda — is proven by modern genetics and new findings.

    • #86360
      Anonymous
      Guest

      A thread that asks an interesting question immediately becomes a shit slinging contest between schizos and haploscrotes. Never change LULZ, never change.

    • #86361
      Anonymous
      Guest

      He is a god of the night sky. Zeus is a god of storms. The Italics had a night-time variant of Jupiter. All are associated with darkened skies. Possibly the olde aryan god was both night and storms.

    • #86362
      Anonymous
      Guest

      What do you mean why? Because he slayed Ymir.

    • #86364
      Anonymous
      Guest

      If you take Ynglynga saga literally, which despite people saying it’s a conspiracy theory from christians to paint Odin as a real person, Odin is a man who led the Scandinavians from North Eastern Ukraine to Scandinavia.

      • #86365
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Yes. The Trojan-Turk man who led them to Scandinavia.

        • #86367
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I don’t know enough memes to make sense of this finno hyper Korean war level of bullshit.

          • #86369
            Anonymous
            Guest

            The Eddas say he is a Trojan Turk and that he led the Germanics to Scandinavia.

            It’s well-known that Germanics were considered a Goth-like people. Leibniz even said that Germans, Turks, were from the same source.

            • #86370
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I’ve read the Eddas. There’s nothing to correlate it to Turks anon.

              • #86371
                Anonymous
                Guest

                No you haven’t.

                • #86376
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  quads beat dubs, you lose roachcel

                  • #86377
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    4 DUBS IN A ROW beats quads.

                • #86379
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  SEE:

                  It would be just one person. Consider this map of J2(Anatolid). Notice the 1-5% in north Europe and 5-10% in Sweden.

                  Sometimes individuals are special. To give you a sense of what’s possible. Thomas Jefferson, originally from West Midlands England, had T-L206– exceptionally rare in England but it occurs at less than 0.3%.

                  Anatolian haplogroups occur at a higher rate than this in north Europe and Scandinavia.

                  IN SCANDINAVIA.

                  Also, this region is where people like Alicia Vikander are from.

      • #86400
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I don’t know enough memes to make sense of this finno hyper Korean war level of bullshit.

        If you accept that the Germanics originated in Eastern Ukraine it’s hardly a leap that they could have been ruled by some exiles from Anatolia. Boats existed you know.
        In an amusing reversal, Goths would later rule over Greeks and Turkics in Crimea.

        • #86402
          My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
          Guest

          >In an amusing reversal, Goths would later rule over Greeks and Turkics in Crimea.
          And goths would eventually become Tatars.

          Odin has second sight so either he knows Troy will fall or he can see it will he tricked by Loki (Ulysses)… he leads some Trojan-Turks to the north (presumably before this happens), then he either takes over or impresses some local germanics, and leads them all to Scandinavia. The leading Turkish-Anatolian-Trojan figures from Troy are worshipped as the Aesir by the germanics, and Odin as the head Turk, is worshipped as the head Aesir.

    • #86368
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The amount of information we have about norse paganism is vanishingly small and the handful of genuine eddas we’ve retained might just be from a sect of Odin devotees. Tyr/Tiw/Tiwaz was the deity whose name is cognate with Jupiter and Zeus, and he may well have been the head deity generally. We know that the Norse swore their oaths to Tyr, not Odin.

    • #86372
      Anonymous
      Guest
    • #86373
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Referring to Turks being the rivals of Ulysses, and identifying Loki=Ulysses.

      • #86375
        Anonymous
        Guest

        here.

        • #86393
          Anonymous
          Guest

          This is vey curious.

          OKÜ-THOR is not translated into Norse. It is considered a title but it seems there is more to it.

          >"Cart Thor" or "Driving Thor", from Finnish
          Is one derivation but it seems to have agglutinative roots, and is likely Turkish.

          Also, identifying the Ulysses-Achaen-Greeks with Loki, and as the rivals of the Turks.

          • #86404
            My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
            Guest

            OküThor

            OGHUTOR

            It may very well be an Anatolid agglutination language too. Sumerian-Hurrian-Urartian words can look like this sometimes.

            • #86406
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Gökturks = Blue turks = blue eyed turks

        • #86430
          My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
          Guest

          This seems to fit.

          If Thor is here, made poor, by the treachery of Loki (Odysseus), and the Greeks (described as the rival enemies)

          Sumerian.

    • #86378
      Anonymous
      Guest
    • #86380
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Like so.

    • #86382
      Anonymous
      Guest
    • #86383
      Anonymous
      Guest

      VGH, the fathers of the Turkic race. Kneel.

      • #86390
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Mesolithic R1b-M343 lineages from Villabruna (Italy ca. 12000 BC) to the latest south-eastern European hunter-gatherers cluster closely together. Their ancestry is defined as of Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), which includes hunter-gatherer individuals from Bichon (Switzerland ca. 11700 BC), Loschbour (Luxembourg ca. 6100 BC), as well as samples from La Braña (Iberia ca. 5865 BC), and Koros (Hungary ca. 5710 BC).

        • #86392
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Turks = the result of Mesolithic whites raping Mongoloids.

    • #86386
      Anonymous
      Guest

      But the first route is more consistent with the descriptions.

      • #86387
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I am Swedish but okay.

        Turkey = Turkiet

        • #86388
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Turkish=Turkiet.

          Republic of Turkey = Turkish/Turkiet, THE Turkish Republic.

        • #86391
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Turkey=TYRKLAND
          Turk=TYRK
          TURKISH=TURKIET (in Swedish)

          https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkiet

          I’m glad this modern usage/short-hand is used but Tyrkland=Turkey.

    • #86394
      Anonymous
      Guest

      He is saying in the first passages, that Odin was a King(royal) Chieftain in Troy, and he had "second-sight" (could see the future), and understood that he should go to the North and the people of the North needed his insights

    • #86396
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Snorri was coping. He wanted a place in greco antiquity.

      • #86397
        My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
        Guest

        Nope. He is not coping. He is corroborated by other sources.

        Also he is not anti Thor or anti Odin. He says they were holy men.

        • #86398
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Corroborated by your haplo research, runes, 18th century scholar? This is not serious.

          >he is not anti Thor or anti Odin
          That much is clear.

          • #86401
            My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
            Guest

            By Sagas, the Poetic Edda.

            >that much is clear
            Many of the copes are that he was supposedly anti Odin or something.

    • #86399
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      He is saying Turks=Trojans, and that Odin led a lot of Turkish aristocrats, wise people, leading shamans, from Turkey to Scandinavia and these people are what we call the Aesir.

    • #86403
      Anonymous
      Guest

      My WHG siss. The progenitors of the Turkic race.

      • #86407
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Nope yall come from the black sis

    • #86405
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      Goes from Troy (Turkey) with the Aesir (Trojan notables) to Ukraine (where he picks up Germanics) to North Germany (where he puts some of his sons in position and leaves them there) to Scandinavia (where he does more of this).

    • #86408
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      It seems the ancient Trojans =Turks, and Turk/Trojans = Aesir, and the founders of Germanic nobility, kings, aristocracy, heros— worshipped by the Germanics.

      • #86409
        Anonymous
        Guest

        yep also Jesus= Turk, Yakub= Turk and shieeeeeet

        • #86410
          My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
          Guest

          If the Bible said so, I think you’d have to pay attention.

      • #86411
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Yes, their WHG genes won out. God knows what would have happened had whites not raped the barbarism out of them.

        • #86412
          My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
          Guest

          Trojan Anatolians move north, corral some Germanics, and before you know it, the Germanics worship them for their superior knowledge and insights, and these Trojan Anatolians become Gods/Aesir, and Odin selects his sons to lead groups of Germanics as Kings of various tribes. All over what is now North Germany and Scandinavia.

          He uses the word Troy, Turkey, Turkish customs. He says Greeks=Loki.

          He also uses some agglutination words that aren’t easily sourced but occur in other sagas/poems too.

          • #86418
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Z2103 Whites move south, creating Sumer. Anatolians copy white achievement. WHG Mongoloid Turkic proceed to rape Anatolia, taking revenge for their white siss.

    • #86413
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      It might explain why Germanic aristocracy has never felt particularly attached to Germanic people.

      Like ruling over a foreign people.

    • #86414
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Ok, so we have:
      >the turk schizo
      >slav schizo
      >chang schizo
      >garden gnome schizo
      >the brown internet defense force
      >the nazis
      Am I missing someone, or are these basically all of LULZ posters

      • #86451
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >the east med «we wuzz the imperial romans» crew

      • #86495
        Anonymous
        Guest

        theres the jw spammer

    • #86415
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      He and his wife have second sight. That means they know what will happen, but either they can’t convince people to do something or it’s inevitable either way. Most likely they’ve figured out that Troy is under siege by these Greeks and sooner or later it’s going to fall. Or like Cassandra, they might have warned but were not heeded.

      Their second sight also tells them to go North.

      Troy is on the Dardanelles and it controlled the lucrative Black Sea trade. Trojans surely knew about what is now Ukraine and had some ideas about its people.

      So he drives forward with the people who listen to him, and join his movement, these are people like Thor and Figi, and the other Aesir.

      All of them get on a ship and go north. To Ukraine. There they move around and find some tribals to control.

      The rest is history.

    • #86416
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      Imagine if you take some tech and a few hundred Americans of strong character to go find some tribals somewhere who think you’re gods…

    • #86417
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      Troy was the most advanced city on earth in this time.

    • #86419
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      I think they moved right after the collapse. As a kind of refugee wave. That is why they call Greeks/Odysseus=Loki.

      So this is one wave of the collapsing Trojan refugee. Like 1200BCE.

      • #86428
        My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
        Guest

        Wait. This would mean Odysseus was a Trojan who betrayed Troy. A Pelasgian prince who was vassal to the Greeks and who resisted going to war because he didn’t want to fight his own people.

    • #86420
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      I am absolutely sure Otü is Hurric-Anatolian. It just sounds like it. I’m looking through my Hurrian and Sumerian dictionaries. And there are like 5 people who speak these languages so don’t be surprised if it hasn’t been noticed before.

    • #86421
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The Aesir & the other guys, I took that to be some kind of IE & pre-IE pidgin pantheon, same for Olympians & titans and the like, but for the same blending relation to exist in Greece and Scandinavia it’d have to have happened either way back in the early bronze age or copper age or My23&me is right or nearly right or it’s all wrong and the giants/Gods relation is part of PIE religion. That or maybe religion was more globally accepted and had much deeper roots, kind of like how you see venus figurines in a ton of different places.

      • #86422
        My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
        Guest

        Greece? He says they are the enemy. The evil foes of the Aesir.

      • #86423
        My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
        Guest

        These are Anatolians (not Greeks) who are moving north.

    • #86424
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      If ötu-Thor is Turkish, then Thor of the grass/steppe?

      Otü means “grass” or “further away, farthest” in Turkish.

    • #86425
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      Öku-Thor… Thor the Reader? Or the Teacher of Reading? Perhaps he taught some runic signs.

    • #86426
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Just to make sure, Turkish wouldn’t have been spoken by Anatolians back in Odin times. If there are turkic connections they’d have come from Uralians

    • #86427
      Anonymous
      Guest

      so do gutians of sumerian history that invaded from the zagros mountains have any connection to goths (guti)? How far back do we know these groups go really

      • #86448
        Anonymous
        Guest

        That’s absolutely impossible. All I can say.

      • #86453
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I have no idea but getae (ex. Massagetae, Sauromatae) was a part of a word to indicate at least a Scythian tribe. I’ve heard about the connection between Scythians and Goths but I do not know anything about it.

        • #86455
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >I’ve heard about the connection between Scythians and Goths but I do not know anything about it.

          Dexippus in his "Scythica" gave his "Scythians" all German names, even though prior to that period they were Iranic. It represents the end cultural shift of those people.

          • #86456
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Dexippus
            what has a greek philosopher has to do with scythians?

    • #86429
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      I’m going to go through some Hurrian/Etruscan/Sumerian dictionaries now.

    • #86431
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest
    • #86435
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      An aside: The CWC-heavy Mycenaean Greek invaders of Troy would have been more “Nordic” than the Trojan princes like Thor who were defending Troy, and eventually went to Ukraine, and from there to Germany and Scandinavia.

      • #86441
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >more Nordic
        Yes, of course. Some of the WHG-derived Turkic rapists of Anatolia eventually (the more WHG-admixed) followed the trail of Kurgans left by their siss through Europe to Scandinavia. The more Anatolian admixed ones stayed behind. Hence underdevelopment in Anatolia today.

        • #86442
          Anonymous
          Guest

          VGH the Kurgans of Western Anatolia, the Proto-Nordid Urheimat calls to me my siss..

          • #86445
            Anonymous
            Guest

            How do you reconcile the oldest kurgans being in southern Russia?

            • #86459
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Geographic location doesn’t mean much. I’m stuck in Romania on remote work but I was born in Denmark and by blood I’m Austrian. If a whole community of Austrians moved to Romania they wouldn’t be Romanian by blood.

    • #86437
      My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
      Guest

      He’s not talking about TYRLAND. He says Turks, after he says Tyrkland. He then says Turkish customs. He says Troy.

      • #86446
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I think he was just relating information without knowing the context. The etymologies don’t match Turkeys geography.

    • #86438
      Anonymous
      Guest

      this is hilarious.

      • #86439
        My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
        Guest

        Go read the freaking original Icelandic if you want and come at me. I posted it.

    • #86440
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why are brown people allowed to post on LULZ?

    • #86443
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >when in others it’s some variant of the sun-god?
      Nowhere in Europe were Sun gods the chief gods, it’s always the father god, because they are all derived from the Aryan Sky Father.

    • #86450
      Svetovid
      Guest

      He is GREEK GOD, the STRONG sperm.

    • #86457
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >why are religions slightly different
      woah lad, what kind of clever question is that? Sun-gods are common but they are in no way the only existing default for polytheistic religions.

    • #86458
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Meds: the thread

    • #86460
      Anonymous
      Guest

      In Ynglynga saga it very clearly describes him leading his people out of north Eastern Ukraine. Odin was a newer ancestral deified god. He was not the same as Zeus, Indra, and Celtic Lugh.

      Thor is more of a parallel to Herecles and Tyr looks more like the original sky father of the Norse pantheon. I think the Norse were separated by my time than even the Celtic or Italic Indo European populations.

    • #86462
      Anonymous
      Guest

      he isn’t
      >Búri (Old Norse: [ˈbuːre]) is the father and genitor of all gods: the first god, the creator (Old Norse ‘producer, father’), an early ancestor of the Æsir. Búri was licked free from salty rime stones by the primeval cow Auðumbla over the course of three days.

      also there are godlike giants, Jötunn, with their own primeval ancestor Ymir
      >several stanzas from four poems collected in the Poetic Edda refer to Ymir as a primeval being who was born from venom that dripped from the icy rivers called the Élivágar, and lived in the grassless void of Ginnungagap.

    • #86465
      Anonymous
      Guest

      On the topic of Odin’s origins in Ukraine: isn’t it possible that the migration Snorri is talking about is actually a back-migration by Goths who had originally came from Scandinavia. That would explain the confusion with Scythians (or Turks lol) that the Goths picked up newer religious influences from the steppe and area around the Black Sea and then this spread backwards up through eastern Europe, to island of Gotland and into the Scandinavian peninsula. If I’m not mistaken archaeological records of Odin isn’t present before the migration era.

    • #86471
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why is Odin the paternal head of the Norse pantheon

      he isn’t. it’s Tyr.

      >deus pater = "sky father"
      >zeus
      >jupiter
      >tiwaz

    • #86472
      Anonymous
      Guest

      He’s a WHG or BHG god.

    • #86473
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Someone put it in a way which made sense to me.
      Towards the end, the Norse civilization was being converted, it could have empowered young Nords to keep their tradition and spirit by following Odin by means of self sacrifice for magic, and not being subject.
      So Odin gets promoted more over other gods, not that he was more important at one time or another, though he did have a bunch of kids.

      • #86479
        My 23&me results= 0% European, 98% Anatolian, 1% Central Asian, 1% Sudanese
        Guest

        These were all Trojan aristocrats, wise men/woman, and their offspring.

    • #86484
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >sun-god
      You mean storm god?

    • #86485
      Anonymous
      Guest

      A better question is whether Tengri is a WHG god. And it’s far more likely.

      • #86486
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Why would he be that?

        • #86493
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Mongol Elites were WHG-derived, their dispersion created the Turkic race.

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