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Why is Go used everywhere bros? Literally 10 times more job offers than Rust on LinkedIn, and quickly approaching C# to become the 6th biggest language
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I don’t understand the freaking world, how the fuck does a language which doesn’t even have an average function for lists get so popular kek
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Generics are almost ready anon, you will have your pajeet avg function
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Just use the Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics block and you have your generics:
https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/5penft/parallelizing_enjarify_in_go_and_rust/dcsgk7n/
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what is a function for lists? can you give an example for a dummy? i use python, what would be the equivalent?
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He means a function that takes an array and does something with it, in this case, returns the average sum of all elements. Something like:
def average(array):
return sum(array) / len(array)Go can’t implement this now in std, because it lacks generics so they would need to write one for every single type. Like AverageF32, AverageF64 etc.
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Most Go programmers are writing programs that do things instead
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>they would need to write one for every single type
No, you would only need to write 1 for every type you use to store numbers (likely 1)-
More like 1 for each combination of number and foldable data structure
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woke af person that actually spends some time to help complete strangers on the internet understand something, have a good day
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Interestingly:
>> Why does Go not have generic types?
>> A language proposal implementing a form of generic types has been accepted for inclusion in the language. If all goes well it will be available in the Go 1.18 release.>> Go was intended as a language for writing server programs that would be easy to maintain over time. (See this article for more background.) The design concentrated on things like scalability, readability, and concurrency. Polymorphic programming did not seem essential to the language’s goals at the time, and so was left out for simplicity.
>> The language is more mature now, and there is scope to consider some form of generic programming. However, there remain some caveats.
>> Generics are convenient but they come at a cost in complexity in the type system and run-time. We haven’t yet found a design that gives value proportionate to the complexity, although we continue to think about it. Meanwhile, Go’s built-in maps and slices, plus the ability to use the empty interface to construct containers (with explicit unboxing) mean in many cases it is possible to write code that does what generics would enable, if less smoothly.
>> The topic remains open. For a look at several previous unsuccessful attempts to design a good generics solution for Go, see this proposal.
So they’re coming out, but they decided not to have a shitty implementation at first. I can respect that.
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> We don’t want to implement generics because we are too scrotebrained…. No UHM I mean muh polymorphic programming Le bad!!
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>I can… le not read!
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You should go back to writing enterprise software with Java
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>writing enterprise software with Java
Replace that with scala because I’m not a pajeet and yes, I will. And I make 6 figures from it kek
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the only way that go can provide decent generics is by copying rust (which copied haskell), so implement real type traits and operator overloading, add traits (interfaces in go) like Number which provide Add, Mul, Eq etc. Otherwise, the whole idea will fail because they are mostly useless. The other approach would be templates like in sepples which lead to extremely weird compile error messages. So, introducing generics only for primitives sounds dumb.
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a language with a type system like rust’s, but without lifetime autism and with a good garbage collector would be pretty popular for general purpose systems that don’t demand absolute performance
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To my knowledge the best candidate is unfortunately Swift
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There’s been so much talk about this exact need that I’m certain some nerd has tried to prototype this language already.
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Haskell fits the bill. Unfortunately, scrotebrains can’t into recursion, so it probably won’t become mainstream
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Haskell has bigger problems preventing it from going mainstream, such as it being a language for researchers to invent obscure notation by inventing operators, and having a dogshit package ecosystem (Cabal, Stack).
What you’re all asking for is JVM/.NET with typeclasses baked in from the start.
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>What you’re all asking for is JVM/.NET with typeclasses baked in from the start.
He doesn’t know about the most kino language
Oh no no no-
The problem with JVM is the rest of JVM, because it can’t be ignored.
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>because it can’t be ignored.
But it can anon -
>compile to native binaries
Does it still rely on java’s GC?
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no, it has its own memory management system that recently has been improved
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Interesting, I might have to see how it performs, this might actually be a decent solution to Java’s performance issues given it’s not exceptionally difficulty to build a few different binaries for different OSs.
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>because it can’t be ignored.
But it can anonI don’t really see anything about how typeclasses are baked into the essence of the language.
And this kotlin native thing is really just a cross platform shim, not really what I meant
It does seem like Kotlin has it’s own stdlib and it’s own ecosystem, which works, but seems to be heavily influenced by Java, which is forebodingWhat I personally really want is the ability to effortlessly FFI between different flavors of languages from a C-like language to a Haskell-like language.
This is currently impossible because the C ABI reigns supreme, and it has no knowledge whatsoever of type safety.
Microsoft was a visionary in this sense by creating the C#/F# ecosystem in .NET, but they did not think to add typeclasses into the CLR, which makes their ML implementations limited.
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>There is also no "very low level language" in their ecosystem.
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Do you lose out on performance, efficiency, bare metal capabilities, zero-cost interfacing with ordinarily-compiled C code that way?
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no
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Is side effect autism really better than lifetime autism?
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no, they’re both chud autism.
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No thanks. If its unclear if a type can be used as a function argument or not, then it’s bad design.
go already has this type class nonsense, sort of.-
Ideally the syntax and the author’s naming sense can make it abundantly clear what applies to the function.
But in general, I agree that it is often done wrong; e.g. sepples 20 is an abortion.The dependent types seen in theorem prover languages like LEAN and Idris can be quite readable when the author is attempting to do something actually useful instead of masturbating with notation and symbols.
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listen, people don’t want to prove theorems and they don’t want to wank over categories: they want to write programs
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you didn’t read
listen
typeclasses are readable
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what’s the point?
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Basically, the difference is whether you believe that classes are a viable solution to general problems, or a restriction that prevents interoperability woke af on the whims of authors, rather than the actual data contained in an object.
For example, a Point3D from three different libraries would be totally incompatible with each other in Java, but the human is confused at why he needs to cope when the information presented is exactly the same.
Typeclasses are essentially the idea that libraries should be able to work universally with each other despite not necessarily knowing that the others exist.
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you have described an interface, or contract
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And in Java, you inherit from an interface. There is no compatibility between identical interfaces.
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typeclasses tell you the capabilities of types that fulfill their contract
go has a weaker version, which is duck typed-
duck typing is woke af
And in Java, you inherit from an interface. There is no compatibility between identical interfaces.
disgusting
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duck typing is merely OK, because in practice it often implies you don’t even need to know what the object looks like.
you just try shit and cope -
telling the compiler something it has to work out anyway is just clutter
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You need shockingly little actual features to get work done.
Go is about keeping things simple, and explicitly gatekeeping out people who can’t comprehend simplicity.That said, it’s mostly used in microservices and other cloud shit, though people have run it on bare metal without an OS before.
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>You need shockingly little actual features to get work done.
More features (or, at least, different features than those that Go has) are needed to get work done efficiently.
> Go is about keeping things simple, and explicitly gatekeeping out people who can’t comprehend simplicity.
Go is not much simpler than Java.-
You’d be surprised at how the lack of easy inheritance makes it completely opaque to the average pajeet, how they are supposed to create an AbstractBeanFactory
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>Go is not much simpler than Java.
Whaaa? It’s been a few years since I did java, and it was hadoop jobs for work. But Go is so much simpler and straightforward it almost looks like bash by comparison. What are you talking about? Have you actually written *ANY* java or go code outside of a cs101 class?-
>What are you talking about?
>Goscrote tries to pass default value
He has to define a freaking struct to use inside the function that gets overwritten each time you extend the function
Kek
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Go standard library doesn’t even have a function to draw a simple line. It’s so lacking that you’re better off using Java if you’re doing webshit.
Generics are almost ready anon, you will have your pajeet avg function
>generics
Any day now. Goscrotes have been saying that for at least a year.-
Draw a line where?
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Anywhere you want kek
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In the terminal? On a webpage? On paper?
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On screen, dumbfuck. Moreover it can’t even display anything on screen, only write to a file, so in order to do that you need a freaking 3rd party lib for such trivial shit other language have out of the box.
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>NOOO EVERY LANGUAGE NEEDS AN IMMEDIATE MODE GUI AND WINDOWING LIBRARY BUILT IN
Rust trannies don’t have it either lol-
Rust is shit for different reasons, but if you market your language as a general purpose one, then it should at least be able to draw simple lines if you do provide some gui capabilities.
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I am pretty sure that Go does not provide a windowing or GUI library, does not intend to, and doesn’t market itself as doing anything other than backend server applications and CLI utilities.
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Meanwhile if you wanted a GUI, you’re using some kind of Electron variant with JS/TS, a platform-specific language, or C++ with some shitty library made by linux autists.
Nobody builds desktop applications with Java anymore.-
Just use flutter
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I’d rather fuck myself than use FL*tter.
God I hope kotlin Crossplatform finally makes the breakthrough it deserves
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It has image/draw package for handling simple graphics, albeit it only write to a file and is unable to display it in a window. But it’s so half-assed you can only draw rectangles. Either do a proper job or don’t include it at all like it is with sepples.
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That’s a disappointment. Do we have any usage statistics (preferably production/library usage) on those functions?
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>Go is bad because no graphics library in std
go is bad, but the lack of graphics in std is the dumbest argument I’ve heard. Can you name a single language beside V that provides that-
>Can you name a single language beside V that provides that
Java-
Some guys once wanted to add graphics to sepples std. Everyone laughed at them. It’s really dumb.
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python
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generics have been mainline for some time now. next minor version.
>type autism
>popularmongoloid
go’s contracts seem a lot like traits, but iirc you could do things with contracts that you couldn’t with haskell’s traits
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because it’s good
oddly specific whine
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Why do you need a built-in average function when you can write your own in 3 lines? Are you the scrotebrain who uses npm packages like IsEven?
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>3 lines
Show me, you can’t goscrote
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Because people use programming languages to do real work, not for first year programming exercises.
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Hey Rob garden gnome. How’s life going?
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Kek.
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It’s just simple and fast brah. You can tell it’s good by how much seethe there is about it on this board. Neets here hate it bc it reminds them of their jobless existence.
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>Literally 10 times more job offers than Rust
Why do you compare shitty webdev lang to Rust?-
>Why do you compare Rust to Rust?
lol?
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because FAANG (Google in this case) controls everything
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It is an easy language for literal scrotebrains to learn and companies need more and more coders to keep wages down, thus the perfect pajeet language was born. This is going to end up like java where everything is written in pooified go and runs like complete shit and they have to rewrite everything later, 100x’ing their actual development costs vs if they just hired competent people in the first place.
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It’s basically the language you give to people who can’t program so that they cause as little fuck up as possible. If you’re constantly onboarding and throwing away people every year or two, and the people themselves are of dubious quality, it’s a pretty good fit. Also, if you’re a complete moron but you still want to program something, it’s not bad either. For everyone else, there’s better languages for every purpose.
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because rust is a hobby language that has no usage in the real world
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Then why is Microsoft hiring Rustrannies?
Why does it keep coming up again and again on all the programming sites even though all the other memelangs don’t?
Rust is obviously trying to do something unique and value, even if in a scrotebrainedly difficult way
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it comes up often because rust fans are very, very loud and forceful. in spite of all this racket, and despite filling some niches well, it’s just not an appealing language.
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the ones hiring are the same trannies. futile attempt of popularizing that language
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>why is trannies hiring trannies?
really makes you think
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It’s not a perfect language, but I’ve used Go for small programs that could easily be compiled for both Linux and Windows. It’s not much worse to write than Python, and you get the portability of a native binary, so it worked pretty well for what I needed.
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because go is perfect for small perfomant applications
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Why is it only go that seems to attract constant complaints that it isn’t a carbon copy of either rust or haskell? You don’t see people shouting at java for lacking typeclasses, nor do you see people shouting at C for having no pattern-matching.
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Why would anyone want to learn Rust?
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To do systems programming and not have to deal with C++’s bullshit.
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what if you already know C++, why would you ever do Rust? Imagine having to retrain all your monkeys to do Rust instead of C++.. So much downtime..
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>what if you already know C++, why would you ever do Rust?
Because it’s much nicer to work with than C++.i do my systems programming in ocaml, go and forth
what the fuck do i need rust or sepples for?>systems programming
>go
Pick one-
1. systems programming doesn’t just mean bare metal
2. there is a go runtime for bare metal-
It means it gives you full control over your application. For example Go doesn’t allow you to manage your memory.
>it’s much nicer to work with than C++
holy kek does she actually believe thisC++ is bloated. It’s build system and related tools are platform dependent and way more time consuming than Cargo. C++ ecosystem is split across multiple competing compilers, are incompatible with each other. Stdlib is old and full of deprecated features. Macro system is weak and unhygienic. Things like serde is straight up impossible to implement in C++. A lot of modern C++ features are so bad they are basically dead on arrival, like destructing or modules.
Of course Rust is nicer to work with.
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>it’s much nicer to work with than C++
holy kek does she actually believe this-
it probably is; sepples is awful
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i do my systems programming in ocaml, go and forth
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but you can already do the same thing by just telling your C++ programmers to use std::unique_ptr and std::shared_ptr instead of teaching them a whole new language with a very different paradigm
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>modern sepples is only about std::unique_ptr and std::shared_ptr
>also magically smart pointers will make your code safe
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the rules of rust AXM are stricter than that
google tried to encode them in c++’s type system, but couldn’t
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSt2VB1zQAJ6JDMaIA9PlmEgBxz2K5Tx6w2JqJNeYCy0gU4aoubdTxlENSKNSrQ2TXqPWcuwtXe6PlO/pub
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Both languages are figments of your imagination. Nobody uses this shit
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everywhere uses go
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type integer interface {
type int, int8, int16, int32, int64,
uint, uint8, uint16, uint32, uint64,
float32, float64
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floats aren’t integers mate
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>float32, float64
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this isnt even valid syntax and floats aren’t integers
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Being dead simple to write and read. Also, their std library just werks.
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No idea, but it sure isn’t because of the scrotebrained looking millennial mascot.
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the woman who drew it is gen x
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>getting generics soon
Fuck pOOP.
It’s all Pajeetware in the end (even if it isn’t explicitly Java).
void* pointers should be enough for anyone.-
happily, nerics have fuck all to do with OOP
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worked for a year on mercadolibre.
can confirm they use it
can confirm everyone is actually scrotebrained in that company-
d-kruger
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people just code for "muh business impact" don’t even know wtf they’re doing. then wake up at 4am every day with alarms when the code fails
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lmao, simplicity at its best
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literally won’t learn this language because of the scrotebrained shit mascot they have.
seriously. is it supposed to be funny? I’m not scrotebrained why should I code in your scrotebrained mascot’s language -
im a newscrote with no clue about programming. i do see go is used a lot on github …rust as well.
is go worth learning as a beginner? right now i have very rudimentary python ability…basically a C-c C-v srcipter.
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you will get the most benefit out of working in a project, not learning another language.
get something done: it goes a long way.
if you don’t have anything to do, apply for a job. don’t be afraid, it’s easier than you think-
thank you for the advice frend
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No prob.
I don’t know what your goals/interests are, but for example I worked for a full year at a tech company just using python.
If you tell me more about your interests maybe I can give more help-
so far i have been using scripts to help at work and i would like to eventually develop some simple tools to help them.
i work for family so i typically go above and beyond where i can. for example i wrote a script that nets us a few thousand dollars each quarter from our distributors who constantly fuck up our pricing… basically i used a python script to take the lowest price we got an item, and compare that to what we were charged each time for that item.so i’d like to be able to do stuff like that. in the short term i would like to learn how to manipulate pdfs better. for example pull text and use it to generate spreadsheets/datasets.
long term im interested in maybe developing plugins for ranger/lf (file managers) to make it more amenable to small biz use. i have messed around with ranger a bit, and i know lf like ranger but written in go, which is why i asked about go in the first place.
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man it would be so funny if they went with this. the hate they would get would be insane.
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I browse r/golang and golang-nuts, see the scrotelicious ways people are using generics, and despair.
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me too dude, theres gonna be a bunch of scrotebrains thinking they can use generics to shoehorn every functional feature into the language for a while.
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Come on. Implement a priority queue.
https://pkg.go.dev/container/heap
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because it’s woke af and rust is cringe
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it’s cringe and rust is woke af
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wrong
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