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    • #91040
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      >higher iq
      >are more numerous
      >gets completely btfo by western civilization militarily, economicaly, culturally and technologically
      What went wrong? Where did they fucked up so badly?

    • #91041
      Anonymous
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      They got complacent and stagnates, allowing Euroangutans time to catch up.
      Seems like the reverse is happening nowadays.

      • #91071
        Anonymous
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        >Seems like the reverse is happening nowadays.

        Its not though, even in the ‘super advanced Japan’ everyone basedfaces about in a lot of aspects they’re stuck in the early 2000’s tech wise. For example their office workplaces still use fax machines, hardly use up to date methods of work.

        China is only advanced in the mega cities anything outside of that is literally either a cardboard cutout of a decent place and behind it its literally empty and shit. Or a legit village with no electricity. Also most of their advances comes from stolen shit from SK or white nations.

        And for South Korea they may be the most technologically advanced but their population is also rapidly decreasing at alarming rates to where key sectors will experience major manpower shortage to stop any major advances if left unchecked.

        Europe isn’t declining majorly and is still relevant in technology R&D. This ides of "the east will take over!" is deluded. At best it’ll become a multi polar world with the west not having a clear majority influence/power across the world.

        • #91073
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          Eastern Europe, the Balkans, Spain, Italy, and Portugal are all behind Japan economically and technologically.

          China has better infrastructure at this point than the US because they didn’t waste 2 trillion on Afghanistan.

          • #91100
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            You mean that two giga meme regions and three remarkably inefficient countris are behind one of the most remarkable countries in asia?

        • #91075
          Anonymous
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          This is the saddest cope I’ve read in so long. Wow, the sheer state of wh*toids :/

        • #91094
          Anonymous
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          >in a lot of aspects they’re stuck in the early 2000’s tech wise
          Sounds great.

        • #91108
          Anonymous
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          >Japan is stuck in early 2000s they still use fax machines
          I’ve worked multiple office grunt jobs here in America and plenty of places run by boomers still use fax machines

    • #91042
      Anonymous
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      >western civilization
      no such thing

    • #91043
      Anonymous
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      Their political and social system just worked too well for literally 3000+ years. Thanks to a confucian bureaucratic elite. Imagine ~300 years of relative peace in all the land you know, 1 major upheaval, then it repeats. If it’s not broken, why fix it? China is like what Rome could’ve become if it remained the undisputed regional hegemon. Stagnant, complacent, rich and unparalleled.
      Their geography being more homogeneous than Europe’s helped too. Was easier to unite it all eventually.
      They could’ve benefited from it fracturing and separate states getting more competitive, vying for influence against one another. Not after the Age of Exploration started, of course.

      • #91044
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        >unparalleled
        Chinks weren’t, lol. They got btfoed by Mongols. And constantly fought among each other.

        • #91046
          Anonymous
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          Oh, and of course Manchus.

        • #91047
          Anonymous
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          They were in the same way Rome were, that’s part of the analogy
          Rome always had the steppenig and germ problem at their borders too. They just never recovered from it afterwards. Like Rome with germs, China also subjugated steppenigs a couple times, but it was never enough, and eliminating them completely would’ve meant overextending their borders (like the Han) like if Rome decided to settle Germania.
          Besides those, China was indeed unparalleled in its region. If not militarily sometimes then culturally, economically, populationwise. All the more before 1500.

          Oh, and of course Manchus.

          Got absorbed into the han, confucian hive not too long after they conquered china militarily

          • #91048
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            Germanic tribes weren’t their only problem. Rome had enemies of all fronts, and they greatly outnumbered Latins. Chinks on the other hand always had massive population and their main enemies were a bunch of nomadic diverse folk.

            • #91052
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              >Germanic tribes weren’t their only problem.
              They were their main problem and downfall.
              >Rome had enemies of all fronts, and they greatly outnumbered Latins.
              If you’re talking about Rome as far back as to use "Latins" you should also consider that that’s what the Han, or proto-Chinese did early on too. Conquer other peoples, assimilate and sinicize them.
              >massive population and their main enemies were a bunch of nomadic diverse folk.
              Rome’s population was always roughly equal contemporary China’s and their main enemies were primitive barbarians too.

              • #91056
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                >They were their main problem and downfall.
                Not really. Chinks never fought against other powerful empires like Parthia.
                >If you’re talking about Rome as far back as to use "Latins" you should also consider that that’s what the Han, or proto-Chinese did early on too.
                They did. But like I said they had many enemies. One tribe of barbarians after another invaded Italy. Only decades after collapse they started larping as Romans.
                >Rome’s population was always roughly equal contemporary China’s and their main enemies were primitive barbarians too.
                Not really. Main enemy of Easter Roman empire, for example, was Parthia.

                • #91062
                  Anonymous
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                  For the exception of Talas, but they got btfoed by arabs and turks.

                • #91081
                  Anonymous
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                  China fought Tibet, massive steppe confederations, Greek city states, the Abbasids that one time, and most significantly, itself.

          • #91054
            Anonymous
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            cope harder chang, holy shit lmao

            • #91058
              Anonymous
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              Can you tell me what I’m coping about?

              • #91061
                Anonymous
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                deep down, I think you know good and well what you are coping about, lil yellow guy

                • #91064
                  Anonymous
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                  Do you have nothing else to contribute except ad homs?

        • #91065
          Anonymous
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          Getting fully conquered twice in your 3000 year long history isn’t a bad track record.

    • #91045
      Anonymous
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      They were never really more advanced than Europeans. Maybe in the Middle Ages.

    • #91049
      Anonymous
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      Did chinks ever even try to expand their sphere of influence? Taiwan was first conquered by Europeans

      • #91050
        Anonymous
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        No, Chinese are morally superior to gweilo, we do not seek to subjugate other peoples or take over the world unlike gweilo.

        • #91055
          Anonymous
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          yeah thats why you bugs are trying to claim every inch of land east of the caspian sea lmfao, all historical chink clay huh? Give me a break "wolf warrior"

          • #91060
            Anonymous
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            Is this what gweilo truly believe?
            You watch too much propaganda.

            • #91063
              Anonymous
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              what about owning half of africa now mr bug? Can’t bold face deny that one can ya? God the lies that come out of your stinky fishy gap toothed mouth are entertaining and funny as hell

              • #91066
                Anonymous
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                China does not own half of Africa. We have simply signed multiple treaties to foster the economic development of our glorious nations in spirit of cooperation.
                The CCP has rightly identified that third-world nations have to band together if we want a chance for development and self-determination against the imperialistic powers of the West.
                We did not force them to sign those treaties, we’ve never invaded any African country or practiced colonialism there in our long history, they signed out of their own volition.

                • #91067
                  Anonymous
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                  Really, chang?

                  • #91097
                    Anonymous
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                    >white westerners pretending to give a shit about black Africans after several centuries of brutal abuse and exploitation
                    WHO WRITES THIS SHIT LMAO

                • #91076
                  Anonymous
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                  >We have simply signed multiple treaties to foster the economic development of our glorious nations in spirit of cooperation.
                  This is what Euroshits did to China and India a few centuries ago.

                  > self-determination against the imperialistic powers of the West.
                  Chinks are just gonna replace the westerners

                  >We did not force them to sign those treaties, we’ve never invaded any African country or practiced colonialism there in our long history, they signed out of their own volition.
                  This is the same argument that France uses to maintain neocolonial holding over west africa. Sure, countries are trapped in debt to western europe, but they signed those treaties right?

                  • #91101
                    Anonymous
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                    >trapped in debt
                    Yeah, the popular chinese assasination of african leaders and owned ports in all africa amirite.

                    Whitey’s time is over.

                • #91090
                  Anonymous
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                  Delusional

                • #91098
                  Anonymous
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                  >We

      • #91074
        Anonymous
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        >Did chinks ever even try to expand their sphere of influence?
        of course, but instead of giving a shit about the sea their expansion routes were on land, in fact much of modern China (Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria, Yunnan and Guangxi) were areas the government focused on.
        While I can’t say exactly why the Chinese did not bother occupying Taiwan before they did my guess is it’s related to the fact they found it lacking anything of note (even after occupation it was treated as an utter backwater that wasn’t even its own province until the mid 19th century) to distinguish it from other areas. They basically only kept it to keep anyone from repeating what Koxinga did

    • #91051
      Anonymous
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      Refuse to believe China specifically has a high IQ. Like every statistic they release it must be fake.

    • #91053
      Anonymous
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      Too much pride to Westernize some of its institutions earlier. The Chinese got western weapons, but didn’t really follow western military, governmental, or legal doctrine, but Japan did, and so got the full benefit of all the institutions. Essentially if you get BTFO by a superior power, you need to reassess everything rather than just doing some window dressing and assuming your on the same level.

      • #91057
        Anonymous
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        But why would they need to westernize in the first place?

    • #91059
      Anonymous
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      bros why do the romans live so rent free in bug heads? I don’t get it

    • #91069
      Anonymous
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      >and the Lu Wan fought Warlord Zu Lan in the battle of Huwei where 100.000 soldiers were slayed
      >Zu Lan and his remaining forces retreated into the city of Wuhang, were they were besieged for 4 years
      >after a famine the inhabitants of Wuhang resorted to cannibalism and eventually ate Zu Lan after ambushing him with his honor guard
      >Lu Wan slaughtered the adult population out of retribution for killing Zu Lan, the children were ensalved
      >after his victory, the yellow river flooded again causing a famine costing five million lives
      >believing the mandate of heaven was lost the Chinese people revolted under the leadership of the Eunuch Hu Wan, causing the Li civil war killing ten million people

    • #91070
      Anonymous
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      no Christianity. Nietzche once called Christianity “Platonism for the masses” as a bitchy slur, but he wasn’t wrong. And having a platonic worldview is necessary for advanced mathematics and philosophy.

    • #91072
      Anonymous
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      >mongolia
      >higher IQ

    • #91077
      Anonymous
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      They were in the lead globally until the 1600s.

    • #91083
      Anonymous
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      […]

      I mean, say what you will about the rest of the post, east asians are the highest IQ race in the world
      it’s just that IQ is meaningless, and anyone who touts out IQ to prove his superiority is a retard

      • #91085
        Anonymous
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        >Source: Lynn
        What do you want, a dildo?

        • #91091
          Anonymous
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          You disagree that IQ and genetics are related?

          • #91093
            Anonymous
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            I disagree that Lynn is a trustworthy source for information.

    • #91084
      Anonymous
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      Leadership issue, highly-competent revolt, and then a third-party that took the capitol and wooed the elites.
      The conflicts this generated exposed China and caused its military to deteriorate. Culturally, Westerners have always been subsumed by West Asians. Economic and technological differences ultimately came from Europeans being handed two more continents’ worth of resources, crops that grow abundantly wherever they land, and the world’s luckiest coup in India, followed by the leader of the only real power there dying from Tuberculosis before he could subdue them.

    • #91086
      Anonymous
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      Same thing that China always does. The ruling class choked the people because they feared the people, and they feared losing power. The worse times get the more authoritarian China gets. Much the same in the other East asian nations as well, but they have slightly different dynamics about them.

    • #91087
      Anonymous
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      Large empires always end up senile and stagnate like the Roman and Ottoman Empire

    • #91088
      Anonymous
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      >higher iq

      • #91092
        Anonymous
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        >Darwinism in action
        Is this supposed to be an argument against that?

    • #91089
      Anonymous
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      East Asian countries had a “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” attitude towards civilization. Japan was the only one that realized they would be steamrolled if they didn’t make revolutionary changes to their society like Europe did which is why they were the only non western power to industrialize independently.

      • #91096
        Anonymous
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        >Japan
        >industrialized independently
        The fuck you on!?

    • #91095
      Anonymous
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      Europeans have a higher variabily in intelligence, chinks are higher average, but their top people are nowhere near as smart as the smartest europeans.

    • #91099
      Anonymous
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      […]

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      OH NO NO NO NO

      • #91102
        Anonymous
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        >RT

    • #91103
      Anonymous
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      almost 70 posts in, and not a single decent reply.
      LULZ is fucking dead.

    • #91104
      Anonymous
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      Asians don’t have the Faustian spirit of the White man

    • #91105
      Anonymous
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      Idk. Ask based Jeremy.

    • #91106
      Anonymous
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      We’ve all seen the videos of people getting run over and no one giving a shit or people getting sucked into escalators or crushed by elevators. 99% is in China. Other countries like Nigeria and India are poorer and they all have cameraphones now, yet it all comes from China. As the world becomes more homogenized we are beginning to see their defects first hand.

      • #91110
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        China in 1933 was 5 years out from a civil war that spanned the country, and had been headed by an absolute power in the Qing who utterly failed to modernize the country, leading the conditions of the vast majority of chinese to be feudal, how can you blame a people of uneducated feudal peasants for being foolish, the example with the captain chucking the man off the boat, think about this, the captain has no education beyond that of his peers or family, boatmen who followed this practice would survive more often than boatmen who did not in a place without knowledge of germ theory or other conceptions of disease.

        Race theory is a utterly stupid conception, i know people of chinese descent, and they are not all skeeving, lying bastards, if this is true, then it cannot be true that the "defects" of the chinese are inherent to their race, but rather the material conditions that form their culture.

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