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    • #56748
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Honestly, why Americans became so fat since 1980s? Is it because of subsidised corn syrup being added to everything they eat?

    • #56750
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Cheap food, easily available, much of it heavily processed, cigarette smoking in decline, advent of fast food restaurants, broadcast advertising, automobile ownership skyrocketing… there’s a ton of contributing reasons

      • #56856
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >cigarette smoking in decline
        ?

    • #56751
      Anonymous
      Guest

      That and subsidized s o y bean oil added to everything.

      That and low fat products being pushed so people overeat on sweets.

    • #56752
      Anonymous
      Guest

      we export nearly 2 calories for every calorie we consoom. Food is insanely cheap in the US as a result. Additionally, since we have a service economy instead of a manufacturing economy, a sedentary lifestyle is actually possible. Finally, we all have cars rather than use public transport, so there’s no need to walk anywhere either.

      • #56758
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >we all have cars rather than use public transport, so there’s no need to walk anywhere either.
        i think this is a big factor. gently caressers in central europe eat a shitty diet of sausages , beer, and pastries but walk a lot more

        • #56773
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I believe exercise burns a surprisingly small amount of calories. Losing weight largely comes down entirely to simply eating less. You could swim for 2 hours a day, but if you eat too much, you’ll stay chubby (albeit quite muscular under the fat)

          • #56774
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Anyone with any fitness knowledge knows this. Eating right is seventy percent of the work, cardio barely matters

          • #56809
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Working out is about improving your body do so you don’t end up a skinnyfat faggot, and for helping speed the weight loss process along- it also provides a secondary form of motivation.

            I eat an entire case of pastries every day, I’m pissing away all the time i’ve spent running, and will lose the progress i’ve made at it. That feels bad. Now I won’t do that. If I eat shit food all day, i’ll gain bodyfat. Then sluts won’t like me as much. That feels bad, so I don’t do that.
            on the other hand, I CAN have a soda or candy bar if I want, because i’ll burn those calories off pretty easily.

            and even then
            >surprisingly small amount of calories
            Is only true if it’s light excercise or short duration. Row for an hour, run- not jog- run for an hour, or get on a good lifting routine and you’ll burn gently caressing calories.

        • #56864
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >shitty diet of sausages, beer, and pastries
          Yeah, but you can’t stuff your face with sausages in the same way you can with chips.

    • #56753
      Anonymous
      Guest

      When I visited America food was so cheap I felt like I was stealing it whenever I bought it, it’s insane. Like I had a filled an entire shopping bag of food to take back to my hotel room for like 14 dollars or something.
      The candy there tasted so bad too that I didn’t eat it, so absurdly sweet. The water there tasted bad too including the bottled water, I guess that’s why so many drank soda there but I just stuck to carbonated water or water with some lemon in it.
      But the entire food culture there just felt whack, pop-tarts or waffles for breakfast? everything there just felt so off and weird.
      Looking back at my trip it felt like a fever dream.

    • #56754
      Anonymous
      Guest

      US white obesity rates are on par with europe. Actually better in some cases. Spics and diverse folk are just fat lazy welfare drones

      • #56755
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Citation?

      • #56762
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This. Mexico had worse obesity rates than the U.S. and the problem is becoming endemic pretty much everywhere in the developed world, but it hits minority populations hardest

        But in fairness, white obesity in the US is highly uneven. States like Colorado, Montana, and the New England states are on par with and/or exceed European standards, while states in the south or along the Mississippi River tend to have severe problems

        • #56941
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It’s good that you mention it, because in Europe the obesity rates are also uneven
          Countries like Italy, Denmark and the Netherlands have relatively low obesity rates, and below most American states, while countries like Hungary, Czech Republic and the UK have obesity rates comparable to the US
          I might be wrong, but isn’t one of the biggest indicators of obesity in the Western world poor socio economic backgrounds (as gently caressing always)?
          The more unequal/poor a country is, the higher the probability someone would become obese, given the fact that starving in the Western world is rather unlikely

      • #56780
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Didnt used to be this way, until the late 2010’s. Europe was in a lot better shape (excluding britain)

        Mcdonalds has also become HUGE in europe, it’s turned into a place where literalynall the kids go hangout all day. You dont hve hat here in the usa. When we visit mcdonalds its just to eat (i dont buy anything) then leave to go elsewhere. Europeans seem to think its gently caressing disney world . So their young generation basically grew up eating utter garbage, thats catapulted their obesity rate right up

        • #56804
          Anonymous
          Guest

          no Mcdonald is like that here in America too during the 2000s
          not anymore in today

      • #56833
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Spics have a like 40% obesity rate
        diverse folk have an 80% obesity rate
        They’re also about 40% of the population
        Do the math

        Every time a problem is brought up regarding America its always the exact same defense

        "Well, ‘white’ people in America are fine, its all the minorities!’

        Its their excuse for everything. I suppose if you can offload the blame to a different group of people, it doesn’t motivate you to improve.

        • #56835
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Well it’s true. If spics don’t want to be fat maybe they should stop gobbling down cornstarch

          • #56845
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Case in point.

            • #56847
              Anonymous
              Guest

              What are we supposed to do? Look at indians which are spics, they’re all drunken rapists

        • #56836
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It also shows what a caste society America has become. They don’t seem to thing they have any obligations towards people of other skin color.

          • #56839
            Anonymous
            Guest

            You think it’s just skin color? They’re practically a different species. And no, they don’t have a physically noticeable amount of white blood

          • #56840
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >They don’t seem to thing they have any obligations

            Nobody has any obligations to anyone in America. That’s literally the whole point of the country, to remove obligations to others in order to make them completely free individuals.

            The United States is literally what you get when you succeed in making a liberal(not the American definition of liberal, but liberalism as the ideology of liberty you gently caressing dumbdumbs) society.

            • #56841
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Wa wa wa if only we were in a socialist Utopia then everyone would be fat

              • #56842
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Imagine being this butthurt about someone telling the truth about your third world country.

                • #56843
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Sound like underage spittle to me

                  • #56848
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Literally any major sociological study in the United States shows that you are increasingly getting the society that liberalism promised 300 years ago.

                    E.g. everything Robert Putnam wrote in Bowling Alone has become even worse, and shows that in the span of 50 years, Americans have gone from having 5-10 close friends, to 1-2, and the rate of extracurricular activity(like clubs and sports teams) has dropped dramatically.

                    So everything that used to be true about the United States, that you were a Christian country that valued community, honor, respect, dignity and helping those in need, were values that were constantly tempering the fact that you were living in a liberal society that is the freest in human history.

                    But now, people are barely religious in practice(but still claim to be), church attendance is dropping, and every single negative statistic is just increasing(including so-called deaths of despair).

                    Face it m8, you’re soon living in the liberal utopia that John Locke and John Stuart Mill. The borderless country where nobody has any allegiance to anyone or anything, and the only morality is consent, and the only value is money.

                    • #56849
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >sociological study
                      Hogwash

                      • #56851
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Yes of course. A study isn’t true, because you don’t like the results. I’m not surprised.

                      • #56853
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You didn’t cite anything. But most anything that tries to criticize the US based on "sociology" is communist gobbledymathematician, yes.

                      • #56854
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >You didn’t cite anything

                        Lets not pretend it would change your mind if I did because you already called sociological study bullshit a priori.

                        Regardless, the United States is gently caressing fat because everyone is free to be fat and there exists no public morality that says it’s wrong to be fat because the concept of "public morality" in a liberal society is totalitarian.

                      • #56857
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Anything that is perceived as even a slight assault on their ‘freedom’ is automatically communist. They refused and continue to refuse the antithesis and are paying for it.

                      • #56860
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Gotta love socialists

                      • #56862
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Again you just simply have no counterarguments, you’re just an asspained aspie libertarian who views the world in black and white terms.

                      • #56863
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Your argument rests on non-existent studies

                      • #56865
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Bowling Alone isn’t a non-existent study.

                      • #56868
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Wow it’s almost like bowling isn’t as popular as it once was. What a schizophrenic idea that the waning popularity of bowling somehow means the US need Communism. How enlightening

                        what a gently caressing retard

                      • #56875
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Plenty of studies show Americans literally have 1-2 or zero close friends
                        >Somehow this is good to an American

                      • #56876
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        How the gently caress did we get from "lol ur fat" to "lol u no friends"? This isn’t history

                      • #56878
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Everything negative that happens in a society is largely for the same reasons.

                      • #56879
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        That’s an extremely childish and naive worldview. Typical of a socialist

                      • #56869
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >People actually citing Bowling Alone
                        Reminder that its a blatant rehash of the Middletown studies. Old hands bitching about the kids these days is such a meme.

                        Correct, and Putnam completely ignored such studies.

                      • #56870
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Everthing he said can be proven with a simple google search, you are deliberately being obtuse, the next step of coping as he walks up the steps of Americas glass house, build on sand.

                      • #56871
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >guys TV is popular that means society has failed
                        Real eye opening stuff there

                      • #56872
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        They bitched about radio before that. Wonder if they bitched about the telegraph too, lmao.
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middletown_studies

                      • #56874
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        The funny thing is Putnma says his "diagnosed social capital deterioration" is a good thing because it prevents balkanization when people realize they don’t have anything in common with other races or cultures.

                        So which is it, is less people bowling bad or good?

                    • #56852
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      America was founded and designed for this purpose, it is a haven for the rich with incredibly vague principles and morals, which is dangerous. An example being that the word ‘freedom’ is incredibly interpretable, how free is free? in America, am I free to shoot my neighbour because he talked to my wife? surely im free to do that? oh wait, im not. because apsolute freedom is anarchy which is retarded.

        • #56838
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >it doesn’t motivate you to improve.
          Don’t overthink it, its just an attempt at equalizing.
          >Europoor bitches about something
          >Burger says that they’re not actually different from Europe, shitskins just drag the averages down (and tbh quite often they’re right)

          It also shows what a caste society America has become. They don’t seem to thing they have any obligations towards people of other skin color.

          >any obligations
          Nobody is owed shit. Most problems Americans have, especially obesity, are personal failures.

      • #56947
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Complete gently caressing bullshit. Non-Hispanic whites have a 42,2% obesity rate. The most obese country in Europe is Malta with an obesity rate of around 28%

        • #56952
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Non-Hispanic whites have a 42,2% obesity rate
          Wrong, that’s including spics and diverse folk

    • #56757
      Anonymous
      Guest

      americans needed to be fighting fit under the influence of cold war. now citizens are its threat.

    • #56760
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The American diet is extremely unhealthy.

      >t. grew up in a town where literally every single person was obese and ate fast food every day, and was mocked because my parents did not do this

      • #56802
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Lmao sorta same, I grew up in Winfeild Kansas and I can remember getting some shit from friends for actually having salad for lunch or my parents getting sorta ribbed for it too lol, nothing that would veer into anything like bullying but it was just weird, from what I can tell its getting better. My freinds would also be upset sometimes that for sleepovers we had no soda lel

    • #56761
      Anonymous
      Guest

      it’s been even worse in the 21st century

    • #56763
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It is not just high fructose corn syrup but sugar and oil as additives in general, fructose is actually difficult for the body to absorb. 2 glasses of fruit juice or a small pot of Hummus can be the equivalent of a hamburger and most people won’t realize.

      Sugar gives you a brief high as blood sugar rises, however it then plummets below average as your body produces insulin to compensate, when your blood sugar is low again you feel hungry. The customer will consoom product to get the high then consoom it again later once blood sugar drops. Oil can turn food with an otherwise dry texture into something smoother, it also absorbs flavor, for example if you add a little olive oil to chopped garlic. Oil and sugar also help dehydrate food and increase shelf life.

      Ideally you should be eating food with a very low glycemic index which releases sugars slowly throughout the day, however most food is not "wholegrain" and has a high glycemic index, for example white flour which removes most of the dietary fiber and complex starches from the wheat, it is almost the equivalent of eating raw sugar. These diets also promote the growth of abnormal proportions of gut flora which can cause inflammation and discomfort, the body releases less dopamine during eating and so people are inclined to eat more.

    • #56764
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Partially, it’s a couple parts of the food we eat becoming worse. But there are other factors, 1 physically activity is now something that people need to actively seek out, 2 healthy foods are much more expensive than shitty foods.

      • #56808
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >2 healthy foods are much more expensive than shitty foods.
        Not really. Basic bitch bread is cheap, chicken and pork are cheap. Shit food is usually pretty gently caressing expensive.

    • #56766
      Anonymous
      Guest

      High intake of processed foods and meat.

      Whole food plant based diet is optimal.

    • #56768
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The idea that fat is bad so more sugar and carbs are eaten, also the gut bacteria of most people is gently caressed up.

    • #56770
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Americans
      *Westerners
      Nips and mathematicians don’t have this problem btw

      • #56771
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Nips and mathematicians eat seaweed and other things that keep their gut bacteria healthy.

    • #56772
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s so easy to eat healthily and cheaply that only laziness can explain why people don’t. The Fat Acceptance movement was a massive mistake

    • #56778
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Is that a gently caressing chainsaw-bayonet?

      • #56787
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Purest form of America

      • #56950
        Anonymous
        Guest

        IT AINT A CRIME TO BE GOOD TO YOURSELF!!! LICK IT UP, LICK IT UP, WOAHHHH OHHHHH!!!

      • #56955
        Anonymous
        Guest

        yeah and?

    • #56779
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Endocrine disruption, IE HORMONES is another big reason. (((Doctors))) will run you out the front door if you ask them to check your levels.

      The other reason (corn syrup) is good too, really cheapens the wuality of food. The quality of food in general is shit here when I buy fruit trees i get all my cultivars from europe, because american ones are so trash

    • #56782
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Delivery was also becoming a big thing.

    • #56789
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I don’t know why but we should gas the fatties

    • #56790
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Its a gently caressing scum all of it.
      Healthcare is so gently caressing expensive so how do you get people sick in order to make bank? Put unhealthy shit in everything, sugar, corn syrup, various artificial sweeteners (non stevia) in them and highly caloric as well. Oh and also make them so addictive that the consumers can’t stop consuming them.

      Surprise surprise you get incredibly sick, you rely on 800$+ prescription drugs and medical surgeries that cost thousands of dollars.
      And because of that you can’t have free healthcare like you have in europe cause it would collapse by midnight thanks to these slam pigs that willingly drink and eat their goy feed non stop. And they bring out genetics on top of that.

    • #56791
      Anonymous
      Guest

      We basically banned smoking.

    • #56792
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Capitalism.

    • #56796
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Concerted effort by sugar lobbyist to paint fat as the evil of the modern age, and the reason for rising obesity rates (Back when it was still a relatively harmless issue), thus making the public believe that sugar was a good addative/replacement for what was once fat (Notice the proliferation of fat free products in the 80’s/90’s. Most of those upped the sugar content to still get something approaching a decent taste).

      • #56797
        Anonymous
        Guest

        But that period also saw the rise of "sugar free" products such as diet soda.

        • #56799
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I’d say the sugar free movement was more of a 2000’s thing as opposed to 80’s and 90’s. Untop of that, sugar producers just found creative ways to sneak sugar into products while pretending they’re sugar free.

    • #56803
      Anonymous
      Guest

      During the 70’s the wisdom of the day was "eating fat makes you fat".
      So every thing with fat in it was replaced by a "light" or "diet" version, filled with sugar or hfcs. Too bad sugar makes you fat AND gently caresss up your digestive system.

      • #56811
        Anonymous
        Guest

        People back then also thought that eggs were something you should only have once or twice a week.

        • #56812
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Retards STILL think that
          >MUH SODIUM
          >LIKE A CIGARETTE
          Meanwhile I eat whatever I want, including evil eggs, with no health issues and i’m not fat.
          Clearly i’m some sort of gently caressing superhero.

      • #56949
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Neither sugar nor fat make you fat, it’s repeatedly eating at a caloric surplus that makes you fat.

    • #56807
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Cheap food and nobody understand portion control. Even if they know how many calories they shoudl eat, they wildly understimate how high calorie a lot of shit is, or don’t keep track of
      >small
      things like their coffee that’s basically pure milk and gently caressing sugar. There’s also a LOT of stupid bullshit that prevents people from working out.
      Thinking pain/discomfort means stop, discomfort/pain means you can’t start in the first place, you can get good cardio without sweating, women will get "too muscly" if they strength train, ect.

      tl;dr
      bad nutritional knowledge+worse math=fatties.
      bad fitness knowledge=forever fatties

    • #56813
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The USA has been Molochized by the you know whos

    • #56814
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I think we have a pretty gently caressed up food culture in general, but particularly in the south where I live. People here have a distorted view of what normal portion sizes are and what sorts of foods and drinks are normal to consume regularly. It’s not uncommon to meet people who literally only drink soda pop (sometimes diet) and tea (always sweet).
      I hope someone has written about this, but I have a suspicion that this is connected to the move away from fat (the macronutrient) in the mid-twentieth century. Americans 100 years ago ate much, much more butter on average than Americans today. Then in the 1950’s health officials got the word out that fat and cholesterol could be bad for the heart, so the public began demanding fat-free food. The food flavoring of choice became sweetener, and now we have an explosion of obesity.

    • #56815
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >all these excuses ITT
      literally just eat less and have some discipline. The real reason is because you’re lazy, nothing else

      • #56816
        Anonymous
        Guest

        What you eat plays a major role in how hungry you are later, and how many calories your dumb ass will consume.

    • #56817
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I’m sure there are plenty of other environmental factors, but from what I can tell from living in America
      >A lot of people are poor
      >A lot of people who are had have children
      >Poor people worked long hours and are too tired to cook (whether this is a valid excuse or not, doesn’t matter)
      >They get fast food for the family because it’s cheap
      >Kids grow up with this as a cultural tradition
      >Etc

    • #56818
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Sometime i wish i was a mall ninja in a mobility scooter

    • #56822
      Anonymous
      Guest

      When liberalism is your only morality, society just becomes a mass of people enslaved by their passions, which means that if you try to argue that X choice is better than Y choice, people will only reply with "ITS MY LIFE, MIND YOUR BUSINESS!" because they are indoctrinated freedom drones.

      Conservatives and liberals are both complicit in this. If freedom is the most important ethical value, then being fat is as good as being thin, because both are *free choices*.

      • #56823
        Anonymous
        Guest

        God you’re stupid

        • #56824
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Pray tell.

          • #56827
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Your notion of politics is completely wrong which is symptomatic if a Socialist stooge. There’s no fixing you because Socialism functions as an intellectual safety net that prevents indoctrinated from asking any real questions and instead lash out at what they’re told

            • #56828
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I’m not a socialist. I’m not even on the left at all. I’m just not a braindead libertarian.

              • #56829
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Let me guess, National Socialist larper? Or Socialist Democrat?

                • #56830
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Why does it matter you faggot? Why can’t you instead respond to the actual meat of my first post instead of trying to shoehorn me into a label with preconceived notions? Is it that hard for you to use your brain?

                • #56831
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  He’s clearly not a social democrat. They wouldn’t bitch about liberalism.

                  • #56832
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Oh I know. I just juxtaposed them to show that they’re the same thing. A belief system that prevents rational thought

        • #56834
          Anonymous
          Guest
          • #56837
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Not an argument

            • #56881
              Anonymous
              Guest

              You never addressed the original argument either. The paradox of the false freedom in liberal hedonism is real. You are free to pursue your own happiness, yet in real actual liberal society the choices are predetermined. Experts determine the ‘happiness’ down to your dopamine reactions.

              I mean, it’s still better than the previous society (I disagree with the original guy), e.g. Victorian age social repression, but it’s still a problem nonetheless.

              • #56883
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >I HAVE AN ARGUMENT
                >okay, what is it
                >YOU’RE TO SIMPLE TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE IT

                Keep using political definitions incorrectly tankie

                • #56890
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  So, you’re trolling. If you deny social observation then you basically deny the foundation of every public policy nowadays, which makes your opinion completely irrelevant, unfalsifiable, and borderline cult-like because of your no-true-scotsman line of thinking.

                  How do you think liberal philosophers like Locke based their ontological assumptions from? It’s from social observation, in which they erroneously named as the ‘state of nature’, etc.; from outdated anthropology, sociology, law, and psychology of their times (among other things).

                  • #56892
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >deny social observation
                    the gently caress does this even mean pseud, OI deny anything that sounds made up and "false freedom liberal hedonism" sounds like something I’d read on /leftypol/

                    • #56902
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      By social observation, I obviously mean empirical observation into a society, either qualitative or quantitative. You can easily observe this by looking at Google algorithm in Youtube, and how it determines the suggestion and therefore indirectly to your choices and search results. Even before giving any information whatsoever to the algorithm, the choices given to you are already shown in a way to promote a certain way of thinking, even at its most basic mode is to just give the more popularly relevant results. Extrapolate those instances and you will have a conclusion similar to what I said before.

                      • #56903
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You keep throwing around words like it somehow gives your retarded argument validity. So what you’re saying is that the obviously curated and biased Google search results has the same weight as a case study? Are you 12?

                      • #56904
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You should stop talking to the libertarian, he has done nothing but be a condescending cunt like they always are in this thread, and as usual they have zero counterarguments.

                      • #56905
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I’m not the one claiming that my garnered opinions from recognizing Google search result bias is somehow a valid critique of society. It’s like going to any social media sire, which is obviously curated content, and claiming that it’s an accurate representation of public opinion.

                      • #56906
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        No, you’re not claiming anything in this thread. You’re just calling people dumb or pseuds and that’s the extent of your arguments.

                        Literally the archetype of an average Libertarian.

                      • #56907
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >I can’t attack your argument if you’re constantly refuting mine
                        Correct child. I order to debate me you have to have more knowledge than "google autofill suggestions" as proof of anything.

                      • #56908
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You don’t have any arguments fagtron.

                      • #56909
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I do, I asked you how we’re supposed to fix it and you sperged out like any socialist would because socialism offers no solutions. At best I got the authoritarian "lol just ban all the bad stuff"

              • #56887
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Good post, but I don’t agree with it being a "false freedom".

                Libertarians naively believe that the society you get if you simply unleash unfettered laissez-faire capitalism and social liberty is a society like an Ayn Rand-novel where the romantic hero gets to produce miraculous inventions that help humanity thrive and live good lives.

                But what you get is rather an even more extreme version of what you have right now, those romantic heroes will produce guacamole with sewer oil because it’s cheaper and every single consumer(except the disgustingly wealthy) will be complete lardasses without any discipline.

                • #56888
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >Okay how to you propose we fix it
                  >AHHHHHH BAN SODA AND OBESITY
                  Do people like you actually exist

                  • #56889
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Well making soda more expensive is one small way of incentivizing people yes.

                    But making healthy food cheaper, or subsidizing a form of fast food that is healthier is also another way.

                    You might think these are pathetic measures, but it’s better than simply accepting that your country slowly but surely turns into an even worse shithole than it already is, but I can understand why you don’t care, because not caring about the trajectory of your country apart from an increasing GDP is literally the whole point of liberalism.

                    • #56891
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >making healthy food cheaper
                      You think fat gently caresss eat unhealthy food because they have to?

                      • #56894
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I think fat gently caresss largely eat shit food because of social class.

                        The people who are skinny in the United States are almost always upper middle class or higher in status and wealth and that’s because their families can afford to either pay an actually cook to make their food, or some old illegal Mexican lady, or they are enmeshed in a culture where everyone already eats healthy and it’s expected that everyone eats healthy.

                      • #56895
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Well then you’re a retarded brainwashed socialist. Fat people eat unhealthy because it’s easy. They don’t want to make their own foot they just want to pop something in the microwave. They’re lazy. You can’t fix laziness through regulation, that’s a child’s game, a child’s mentality.

                      • #56896
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        If being disciplined and having a healthy diet is a good thing, why do you accept living in a society where people have the freedom to do what isn’t the good thing to do?

                      • #56898
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You can easily justify genocide with the same logic.

                      • #56899
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Not really. The United States used to be a society where it wasn’t acceptable to be fat, it was just socially conditioned into people from birth to adulthood that you shouldn’t eat like a slob, but this is now seen as "oppression".

                      • #56900
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Your masters can easily deem an entire race of people to be incompatible with your culture and the only recourse is their destruction. Has happened dozens of time before. This is why you don’t play child’s games over gently caressing SODA

                      • #56897
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        This is somewhat correct. It isn’t simply laziness but also lack of any kind of tradition or proper child raising. Their parenta didn’t teach them to cook, they didn’t teach them easy meals to make, how to prep, or any kind of traditional foods to make. Laziness is part of it, but that could be solved if cooking was normalized.

                      • #56910
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I work shifts at a factory, live on my own and I’m not fat, your point is null.

                        People are fat in america because schools dropped all the fitness and health programs. Then there is no widespread "healthism" culture to promote healthy behavior in society, instead the fativism movement has taken over.
                        I’m gonna blame capitalism for this, although ultimately its down to people’s own responsibility that has failed.

                        >capitalism demands lower taxes
                        >gov gives less funding to schools
                        >schools cut health and fitness programs
                        >kids don’t get any education on how proteins, fats and carbs work
                        >cap tells gov to not do any interference, it agrees
                        >cap promotes their increasingly bad fast foods to the masses
                        >cap shuts down the healthism movement through media campaigns and fativism
                        >fativism ultimately sustains itself and grows as more people get trapped in it
                        >fativism promotes more gluttony in society, increasing cap’s profits
                        >medical sector gets free easy profits from all of this, doesn’t object
                        >gov can always cash in on bribes/donations every few years by threatening actions against the industry
                        >outside criticism is brushed off as ameriphobia
                        >cycle continues, if too many people die then you can always import more since the third world is overpopulated

                      • #56911
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >>schools cut health and fitness programs
                        >>kids don’t get any education on how proteins, fats and carbs work
                        Do you have proof of this happening

                      • #56914
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        /fit/

                        >live on my own and I’m not fat, your point is null.

                        >exceptions to a rule disprove a rule in a country with 330 million people

                        Just stop talking dude.

                        I’m a euro, and most of my co workers aren’t fat either. Some are overweight, but there is like only two obese guys out of the 400 people who work at my plant.

                      • #56916
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >/fit/
                        Is /fit/ just a bunch of socialist fags catfishing pictures out of people? No, the US hasn’t defunded health education.

                      • #56917
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >I’m a Euro
                        Why are Euros so American-esque in proudly making up conjectures about other countries

                      • #56919
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >I’m a euro, and most of my co workers aren’t fat either. Some are overweight, but there is like only two obese guys out of the 400 people who work at my plant.

                        Yeah and like 30% of Palestinians are overweight, and that’s not because Palestine is a wealthy country, it’s because Coca-Cola is cheaper than clean water because capitalism.

                      • #56921
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Lol no. The problem is third world countries that want to do business before developing their infrastructure. In the case of Palestine they want the benefits of capitalism without actually developing their nation. Look at China, massive production of the world’s good, right? In some cases they have a complete monopoly on manufacturing. Wow, you might say, their people must be living like kings! When that couldn’t be much further from the truth. The same thing happens in Africa to the point that we have to go out in the desert and teach them how to dig wells because they’re benefiting so much from capitalism but never bothered to learn how to get clean water.

                      • #56922
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >"want to do business before developing their infrastructure"
                        >"want to"

                        Implying they have the capital to develop their infrastructure lol. That’s literally a definition of being poor, you don’t have the capital to do things that wealthy countries take for granted.

                      • #56923
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >be third world nation
                        >oh wow you mean we can sell our cheaply made items for massive profit? cool beans
                        >*invests everything into manufacturing that particular thing*
                        >socialists on LULZ: Look at how poorly these third world countries are run! Must be capitalism’s fault!
                        yawn

                      • #56924
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        The investment into producing that one thing is literally capital from a Western country.

                        Do you think the Chinese just magically conjured the money to produce consumer goods in their country out of thin air starting in 1979?

                      • #56925
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >no you can’t invest in another country to develop them!
                        What

                      • #56926
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Western capitalists invest in a country specifically for that country to only make cheap goods and nothing else
                        >surprised when it then never develops its shit infrastructure
                        >Libertarians on LULZ: "This has nothing to do with capitalism."

                      • #56927
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >third world countries swindle their profits and don’t develop their country
                        >this is the US’s fault
                        gently caress off faggot

                      • #56930
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        The reason western capitalists invest in those countries in the first place is because they are poor and shit places with bad infrastructure you dumbdumb, because that means it’s cheap.

                        Nobody would invest in China if it wasn’t an authoritarian dictatorship with zero respect for human and workers rights.

                      • #56932
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >no you can’t invest in third world countries!
                        Sounds like cope

                      • #56933
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I never said you couldn’t, people demonstrably do, but that doesn’t make it good.

                      • #56934
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >it’s not good

                      • #56935
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >move manufacturing to another country to get cheaper goods
                        >everyone loses their job so now it doesn’t matter if the goods are cheaper

                      • #56936
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >yeah well what about!
                        It just never ends does it.

                      • #56929
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        but that’s not true

                      • #56928
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        The only ‘investment’ that happens is at best the road from factory to the nearest port. Preferably closed to any other traffic to reduce maintenance costs.

                      • #56931
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        And you’re implying socialism is any better? The great thing about capitalism is they’re FREE to invest that money how they like, the problem is third worlders are all greedy and low IQ. Socialism would do the same thing, but instead of giving them the illusion of choice they would march into their country, take over the government, and then build the road to the factory.

                      • #56938
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Dude. I live in a post-commie country that implemented Reagan-esque capitalism. Both socialism and uncontrolled capitalism are incredibly shitty and basically opposite sides of the same coin called ‘buttfucking the pleb’.

                        Scandinavian model is the thinking man’s choice.

                      • #56943
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Scandinavian mode
                        Why do tards always say "Scandinavian/Nordic"? They literally do nothing exceptional, policy wise. Germany, the UK, France, etc. All offer the same welfare and regulations that Sweden or Denmark offer.

                      • #56944
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You literary can’t compare UK to Scandinavia.

                        Currently even Central Euros have better healthcare and education that the Brits.

                      • #56945
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Because Scandinavian countries usually have the top spots in almost any ranking regarding quality of life
                        Same why Switzerland, Australia, and New Zealand are often mentioned too in such ways

                      • #56939
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >permissible action leads to bad outcome, argument demolished
                        >shit maybe I don’t want to talk about actions and consequences or right and wrong at this point
                        >wait, I know how to end this conversation American style
                        >"w-well, like, you can’t tell me what to do!"
                        I’m not a socialist, but in service of capitalism I’d really rather you faggot retard cunts would keep your gently caressing mouths shut with your playground bullshit

                        If your best defense for doing something is because you can, then get the gently caress off my board. Foreign investment strategies in the developing world have been shit, and the shit runs both ways. Is this an indictment of foreign investment? No, it’s an indictment of the kind of people in foreign investment on both sides of the table who don’t give a shit whether they’re gently caressing ruining everything for everybody else. The sort of people who say "well that’s muh prerogative so haha gently caress you"

                      • #56912
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >live on my own and I’m not fat, your point is null.

                        >exceptions to a rule disprove a rule in a country with 330 million people

                        Just stop talking dude.

                      • #56913
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >waaa ban all the things so stupid people don’t do them!!!

                      • #56915
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Also, no draft.

                        It’s interesting that in societies that kept draft, governments cared that future cannon fodder is in good shape.

                      • #56918
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Forgot to add that one.

                        US military were the ones who demanded that schools started including fitness in to the curriculum and offered the school lunch on a nation wide level so that they could avoid the WW2 issue of man power shortage due to too many draftees being turned away because they were physically unfit for service (something that had more to do with the economic troubles of the 1930’s).

                        I guess the need went away when the population went up and there were more recruits available than what the modern military could make use of.

                • #56893
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  You have no idea what libertarians believe, you mouth breather.

      • #56901
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Not just their own passions, but the passions of everyone else too. People being free to express themselves however they please simply leads to subjugation by the majority.

        This is why the Americans that don’t fit inside their nation’s absurdly simplistic two ideology dichotomy are practically ostracized out of the conversation or are railroaded to support a choice they don’t agree with.

      • #56920
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >If freedom is the most important ethical value, then being fat is as good as being thin, because both are *free choices*.
        in a vacuum, yes. but if you consider the implications that either choice has under the current system of governance (medical gibs), then being at is evidently worse: that choice instills a burden on everyone else. in a different system that would not be the case. then it would become biological objections and preferential objections, but not necessarily ethical objections.

    • #56825
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I’m not American. At first I thought it was the subsidised corn syrup, but then I found out how easy it is to buy cheap healthy ingredients over there. That means blaming the subsidies is just an excuse for a lack of discipline for some people.

    • #56826
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I don’t know. Say Officer Bitch tits, why are you so gently caressingg fat? Your friends wanna know.

    • #56844
      Anonymous
      Guest

      it’s what free market demands, people aren’t people, they are consumers.

      • #56846
        Anonymous
        Guest

        So Socialism will regulate minority’s lack of self control and engorgement how?

    • #56855
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Capitalism and consumerism culture.

      None of this would have happened if rich people weren’t allowed to run society as freely as they do in the US.

      • #56861
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Poor people are stupid, they deserve exploitation.

        • #56867
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Kinda, but forcing veggie culture down poor kid’s throats is the humane way.

    • #56937
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Well the vast majority of obese Americans also tend to be hispanics and blacks so…

    • #56940
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Definitely one of the big reasons is in fact the high amounts of fructose in American food

    • #56951
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I’ts pretty simple. Americans have to pay a fortune for healthcare. So their society is set up to make them all unhealthy so a big profit can be made from them..

    • #56956
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s only white people who are fat in America though. If you look at the Asian, Hispanic and African population they are on average slim.

      • #56957
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >It’s only white people who are fat in America though. If you look at the Asian, Hispanic and African population they are on average slim.
        that’s bullshit and you know it
        t. Hispanic

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