Why have Americans become so fat since 1980s?
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Honestly, why Americans became so fat since 1980s? Is it because of subsidised corn syrup being added to everything they eat?
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Cheap food, easily available, much of it heavily processed, cigarette smoking in decline, advent of fast food restaurants, broadcast advertising, automobile ownership skyrocketing… there’s a ton of contributing reasons
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>cigarette smoking in decline
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That and subsidized s o y bean oil added to everything.
That and low fat products being pushed so people overeat on sweets.
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we export nearly 2 calories for every calorie we consoom. Food is insanely cheap in the US as a result. Additionally, since we have a service economy instead of a manufacturing economy, a sedentary lifestyle is actually possible. Finally, we all have cars rather than use public transport, so there’s no need to walk anywhere either.
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>we all have cars rather than use public transport, so there’s no need to walk anywhere either.
i think this is a big factor. gently caressers in central europe eat a shitty diet of sausages , beer, and pastries but walk a lot more-
I believe exercise burns a surprisingly small amount of calories. Losing weight largely comes down entirely to simply eating less. You could swim for 2 hours a day, but if you eat too much, you’ll stay chubby (albeit quite muscular under the fat)
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Anyone with any fitness knowledge knows this. Eating right is seventy percent of the work, cardio barely matters
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Working out is about improving your body do so you don’t end up a skinnyfat faggot, and for helping speed the weight loss process along- it also provides a secondary form of motivation.
I eat an entire case of pastries every day, I’m pissing away all the time i’ve spent running, and will lose the progress i’ve made at it. That feels bad. Now I won’t do that. If I eat shit food all day, i’ll gain bodyfat. Then sluts won’t like me as much. That feels bad, so I don’t do that.
on the other hand, I CAN have a soda or candy bar if I want, because i’ll burn those calories off pretty easily.and even then
>surprisingly small amount of calories
Is only true if it’s light excercise or short duration. Row for an hour, run- not jog- run for an hour, or get on a good lifting routine and you’ll burn gently caressing calories.
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>shitty diet of sausages, beer, and pastries
Yeah, but you can’t stuff your face with sausages in the same way you can with chips.
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When I visited America food was so cheap I felt like I was stealing it whenever I bought it, it’s insane. Like I had a filled an entire shopping bag of food to take back to my hotel room for like 14 dollars or something.
The candy there tasted so bad too that I didn’t eat it, so absurdly sweet. The water there tasted bad too including the bottled water, I guess that’s why so many drank soda there but I just stuck to carbonated water or water with some lemon in it.
But the entire food culture there just felt whack, pop-tarts or waffles for breakfast? everything there just felt so off and weird.
Looking back at my trip it felt like a fever dream.-
Yeah a lot of food is abnormally cheap here.
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What the gently caress? Any time I try to buy meat or fruit its like 50 bucks? Where the gently caress did you visit that the food was cheaper? The fruit in europe is WAY better and WAY cheaper too
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>Any time I try to buy meat or fruit its like 50 bucks?
Have you considered living somewhere other than Alaska or Hawaii?-
I live in virginia
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That’s what you get for living in a blue state
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Fruit and vegetables are much higher quality in Europe and some other places, in my experience. Not too pricey either. Maybe the difference in prices is greater with processed foods or fast food.
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>But the entire food culture there just felt whack, pop-tarts or waffles for breakfast?
In Brazil, we also have really sweet breakfasts. Carrot cake with chocolate covering can usually be found served in a Hotel’s breakfast buffet.
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US white obesity rates are on par with europe. Actually better in some cases. Spics and diverse folk are just fat lazy welfare drones
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Citation?
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Spics have a like 40% obesity rate
diverse folk have an 80% obesity rate
They’re also about 40% of the population
Do the math-
Joggers are infamously 13% but I meant to be asking for white rates vs euro
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We do NOT use that word here. Go back to
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you racist gently caress
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you have to be over 18 to use this website
You’re gonna be real disappointed when you realize all those "/poo/" posters are not only not going away but getting louder and angrier every year. You have a very limited amount of time to figure out why(you won’t read it on buzzfeed BTW)
you’re the same person who butts into threads about the economy calling people entitled for demonstrating the basic principles of capitalist positive economics i.e. wanting more
you’ve never faced a challenge in your entire life and are unfit to comment on others
Nips and mathematicians eat seaweed and other things that keep their gut bacteria healthy.
They’ve been "researching gut flora" for decades now and the only thing they have to show for it is, "consume this product every day for the rest of your life." It’s a gris-gris for women’s checkout magazines
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>being fat is a challenge
It unironically takes more work to be obese than to not be so I suppose you’re right -
these are folk foods and remedies- name one culture without cultured or fermented foodstuff.
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Anon do you honestly gently caressing think people fermented and cultured food for some mystic gut bacteria reasons, and not because those, idk, tend to preserve food for longer periods of time?
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Spics and diverse folk aren’t as fat in Latin America and Africa, and white Americans are still fatter than whites elsewhere.
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t. Fat spic
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t. White tranny
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Spic are fat in Latin America
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>They’re also about 40% of the population
How is this remotely relevant, you absolute gently caressing idiot? Obesity rates are measured WITHIN each race.
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>Combined data for 2015 through 2017 allowed for assessment by major racial/ethnic categories and found that non-Hispanic black adults had the highest prevalence of obesity (38.4%) overall, followed by Hispanic adults (32.6%) and non-Hispanic white adults (28.6%).
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2019/18_0579.htm#:~:text=Combined%20data%20for%202015%20through,Hispanic%20white%20adults%20(28.6%25).
>According to country estimates for 2008, over 50% of both men and women in the WHO European Region were overweight, and roughly 23% of women and 20% of men were obese. Based on the latest estimates in European Union countries, overweight affects 30-70% and obesity affects 10-30% of adults.
https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/noncommunicable-diseases/obesity/data-and-statistics#:~:text=According%20to%20country%20estimates%20for,10-30%25%20of%20adults. -
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This. Mexico had worse obesity rates than the U.S. and the problem is becoming endemic pretty much everywhere in the developed world, but it hits minority populations hardest
But in fairness, white obesity in the US is highly uneven. States like Colorado, Montana, and the New England states are on par with and/or exceed European standards, while states in the south or along the Mississippi River tend to have severe problems
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It’s good that you mention it, because in Europe the obesity rates are also uneven
Countries like Italy, Denmark and the Netherlands have relatively low obesity rates, and below most American states, while countries like Hungary, Czech Republic and the UK have obesity rates comparable to the US
I might be wrong, but isn’t one of the biggest indicators of obesity in the Western world poor socio economic backgrounds (as gently caressing always)?
The more unequal/poor a country is, the higher the probability someone would become obese, given the fact that starving in the Western world is rather unlikely
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Didnt used to be this way, until the late 2010’s. Europe was in a lot better shape (excluding britain)
Mcdonalds has also become HUGE in europe, it’s turned into a place where literalynall the kids go hangout all day. You dont hve hat here in the usa. When we visit mcdonalds its just to eat (i dont buy anything) then leave to go elsewhere. Europeans seem to think its gently caressing disney world . So their young generation basically grew up eating utter garbage, thats catapulted their obesity rate right up
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no Mcdonald is like that here in America too during the 2000s
not anymore in today
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Every time a problem is brought up regarding America its always the exact same defense
"Well, ‘white’ people in America are fine, its all the minorities!’
Its their excuse for everything. I suppose if you can offload the blame to a different group of people, it doesn’t motivate you to improve.
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Well it’s true. If spics don’t want to be fat maybe they should stop gobbling down cornstarch
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Case in point.
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What are we supposed to do? Look at indians which are spics, they’re all drunken rapists
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It also shows what a caste society America has become. They don’t seem to thing they have any obligations towards people of other skin color.
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You think it’s just skin color? They’re practically a different species. And no, they don’t have a physically noticeable amount of white blood
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>They don’t seem to thing they have any obligations
Nobody has any obligations to anyone in America. That’s literally the whole point of the country, to remove obligations to others in order to make them completely free individuals.
The United States is literally what you get when you succeed in making a liberal(not the American definition of liberal, but liberalism as the ideology of liberty you gently caressing dumbdumbs) society.
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>Wa wa wa if only we were in a socialist Utopia then everyone would be fat
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Imagine being this butthurt about someone telling the truth about your third world country.
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Sound like underage spittle to me
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Literally any major sociological study in the United States shows that you are increasingly getting the society that liberalism promised 300 years ago.
E.g. everything Robert Putnam wrote in Bowling Alone has become even worse, and shows that in the span of 50 years, Americans have gone from having 5-10 close friends, to 1-2, and the rate of extracurricular activity(like clubs and sports teams) has dropped dramatically.
So everything that used to be true about the United States, that you were a Christian country that valued community, honor, respect, dignity and helping those in need, were values that were constantly tempering the fact that you were living in a liberal society that is the freest in human history.
But now, people are barely religious in practice(but still claim to be), church attendance is dropping, and every single negative statistic is just increasing(including so-called deaths of despair).
Face it m8, you’re soon living in the liberal utopia that John Locke and John Stuart Mill. The borderless country where nobody has any allegiance to anyone or anything, and the only morality is consent, and the only value is money.
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>sociological study
Hogwash-
Yes of course. A study isn’t true, because you don’t like the results. I’m not surprised.
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You didn’t cite anything. But most anything that tries to criticize the US based on "sociology" is communist gobbledymathematician, yes.
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>You didn’t cite anything
Lets not pretend it would change your mind if I did because you already called sociological study bullshit a priori.
Regardless, the United States is gently caressing fat because everyone is free to be fat and there exists no public morality that says it’s wrong to be fat because the concept of "public morality" in a liberal society is totalitarian.
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Anything that is perceived as even a slight assault on their ‘freedom’ is automatically communist. They refused and continue to refuse the antithesis and are paying for it.
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Gotta love socialists
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Again you just simply have no counterarguments, you’re just an asspained aspie libertarian who views the world in black and white terms.
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Your argument rests on non-existent studies
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Bowling Alone isn’t a non-existent study.
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Wow it’s almost like bowling isn’t as popular as it once was. What a schizophrenic idea that the waning popularity of bowling somehow means the US need Communism. How enlightening
what a gently caressing retard
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>Plenty of studies show Americans literally have 1-2 or zero close friends
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How the gently caress did we get from "lol ur fat" to "lol u no friends"? This isn’t history
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Everything negative that happens in a society is largely for the same reasons.
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That’s an extremely childish and naive worldview. Typical of a socialist
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>People actually citing Bowling Alone
Reminder that its a blatant rehash of the Middletown studies. Old hands bitching about the kids these days is such a meme.Correct, and Putnam completely ignored such studies.
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Everthing he said can be proven with a simple google search, you are deliberately being obtuse, the next step of coping as he walks up the steps of Americas glass house, build on sand.
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>guys TV is popular that means society has failed
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They bitched about radio before that. Wonder if they bitched about the telegraph too, lmao.
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The funny thing is Putnma says his "diagnosed social capital deterioration" is a good thing because it prevents balkanization when people realize they don’t have anything in common with other races or cultures.
So which is it, is less people bowling bad or good?
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America was founded and designed for this purpose, it is a haven for the rich with incredibly vague principles and morals, which is dangerous. An example being that the word ‘freedom’ is incredibly interpretable, how free is free? in America, am I free to shoot my neighbour because he talked to my wife? surely im free to do that? oh wait, im not. because apsolute freedom is anarchy which is retarded.
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>it doesn’t motivate you to improve.
Don’t overthink it, its just an attempt at equalizing.
>Europoor bitches about something
>Burger says that they’re not actually different from Europe, shitskins just drag the averages down (and tbh quite often they’re right)>any obligations
Nobody is owed shit. Most problems Americans have, especially obesity, are personal failures.
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Complete gently caressing bullshit. Non-Hispanic whites have a 42,2% obesity rate. The most obese country in Europe is Malta with an obesity rate of around 28%
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>Non-Hispanic whites have a 42,2% obesity rate
Wrong, that’s including spics and diverse folk
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americans needed to be fighting fit under the influence of cold war. now citizens are its threat.
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The American diet is extremely unhealthy.
>t. grew up in a town where literally every single person was obese and ate fast food every day, and was mocked because my parents did not do this
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Lmao sorta same, I grew up in Winfeild Kansas and I can remember getting some shit from friends for actually having salad for lunch or my parents getting sorta ribbed for it too lol, nothing that would veer into anything like bullying but it was just weird, from what I can tell its getting better. My freinds would also be upset sometimes that for sleepovers we had no soda lel
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it’s been even worse in the 21st century
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It is not just high fructose corn syrup but sugar and oil as additives in general, fructose is actually difficult for the body to absorb. 2 glasses of fruit juice or a small pot of Hummus can be the equivalent of a hamburger and most people won’t realize.
Sugar gives you a brief high as blood sugar rises, however it then plummets below average as your body produces insulin to compensate, when your blood sugar is low again you feel hungry. The customer will consoom product to get the high then consoom it again later once blood sugar drops. Oil can turn food with an otherwise dry texture into something smoother, it also absorbs flavor, for example if you add a little olive oil to chopped garlic. Oil and sugar also help dehydrate food and increase shelf life.
Ideally you should be eating food with a very low glycemic index which releases sugars slowly throughout the day, however most food is not "wholegrain" and has a high glycemic index, for example white flour which removes most of the dietary fiber and complex starches from the wheat, it is almost the equivalent of eating raw sugar. These diets also promote the growth of abnormal proportions of gut flora which can cause inflammation and discomfort, the body releases less dopamine during eating and so people are inclined to eat more.
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Partially, it’s a couple parts of the food we eat becoming worse. But there are other factors, 1 physically activity is now something that people need to actively seek out, 2 healthy foods are much more expensive than shitty foods.
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>2 healthy foods are much more expensive than shitty foods.
Not really. Basic bitch bread is cheap, chicken and pork are cheap. Shit food is usually pretty gently caressing expensive.-
Cheap foods can be either, but cheap and easy is often low in nutrition
If you know what to buy, where to buy it, and how to prepare it, you can have good tasting meals that are nutritious too.
Problem however is that often people are lazy cunts, or poor and time-starved, or poor and lazy
Each of these groups would rather buy something cheap and simple, or worse, order something and just eat that.Define no health issues though
Not that I don’t believe you, and I know I am exaggerating here, but I do cocaine on occasion, and I smoke on occasion too, and I haven’t suffered because of those YET
Often such health issues will come later on, unless you really indulge in them, or do little to counteract them
Which is unfortunately the case with a lot of people
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High intake of processed foods and meat.
Whole food plant based diet is optimal.
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The idea that fat is bad so more sugar and carbs are eaten, also the gut bacteria of most people is gently caressed up.
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>Americans
*Westerners
Nips and mathematicians don’t have this problem btw-
Nips and mathematicians eat seaweed and other things that keep their gut bacteria healthy.
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It’s so easy to eat healthily and cheaply that only laziness can explain why people don’t. The Fat Acceptance movement was a massive mistake
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Is that a gently caressing chainsaw-bayonet?
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Purest form of America
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IT AINT A CRIME TO BE GOOD TO YOURSELF!!! LICK IT UP, LICK IT UP, WOAHHHH OHHHHH!!!
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yeah and?
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Endocrine disruption, IE HORMONES is another big reason. (((Doctors))) will run you out the front door if you ask them to check your levels.
The other reason (corn syrup) is good too, really cheapens the wuality of food. The quality of food in general is shit here when I buy fruit trees i get all my cultivars from europe, because american ones are so trash
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Delivery was also becoming a big thing.
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I don’t know why but we should gas the fatties
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Its a gently caressing scum all of it.
Healthcare is so gently caressing expensive so how do you get people sick in order to make bank? Put unhealthy shit in everything, sugar, corn syrup, various artificial sweeteners (non stevia) in them and highly caloric as well. Oh and also make them so addictive that the consumers can’t stop consuming them.Surprise surprise you get incredibly sick, you rely on 800$+ prescription drugs and medical surgeries that cost thousands of dollars.
And because of that you can’t have free healthcare like you have in europe cause it would collapse by midnight thanks to these slam pigs that willingly drink and eat their goy feed non stop. And they bring out genetics on top of that. -
We basically banned smoking.
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How’s that related?
Surprise surprise you get incredibly sick, you rely on 800$+ prescription drugs and medical surgeries that cost thousands of dollars.
And because of that you can’t have free healthcare like you have in europe cause it would collapse by midnight thanks to these slam pigs that willingly drink and eat their goy feed non stop. And they bring out genetics on top of that.In countries with free healthcare governments actively work to protect citizens’ health because having them sick is a massive drain to the coffers.
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Thats the point. Coca cola in europe is less sweet and doesnt have corn syrup in it, most sugary food doesnt have the same shit they put in america. Fast food doesn’t have layers covered by vegetable oil. The only leading cause of obesity in europe is beer
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Citation on that beer fact?
Can believe it though.
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>We basically banned smoking.
No we didn’t, not by a longshot. There are a ton of fat smokers waddling around.-
>There are a ton of fat smokers waddling around.
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https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p1114-smoking-low.html
Lets not pretend it would change your mind if I did because you already called sociological study bullshit a priori.
Regardless, the United States is gently caressing fat because everyone is free to be fat and there exists no public morality that says it’s wrong to be fat because the concept of "public morality" in a liberal society is totalitarian.
>because the concept of "public morality" in a liberal society is totalitarian.
Its fascinating how people can see the United States as whatever they want it to be. Views of this county as an ancap paradise where morality is out the window prosper alongside the view that its a fascist dictatorship run by theocrats, puritains and other moral busybodies.-
>Views of this county as an ancap paradise where morality is out the window prosper alongside the view that its a fascist dictatorship run by theocrats, puritains and other moral busybodies.
Well I also said that you are *increasingly getting the society that John Locke and John Stuart Mill envisioned*, I never said you were there yet.
Or perhaps you are there already, it’s just not as ideologically pure as those writers lay it out, in the same way that the USSR wasn’t the communist utopia the writers claimed it would be either.
Point I’m trying to make(for the third time), is that in my country for example, the Department of Health and people’s GPs literally tells people that they shouldn’t eat more than 2500 calories a day or their health will put a strain on the government healthcare system.
That sentiment is literally *unthinkable* in the U.S.
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>the Department of Health
https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/resources/2020-2025-dietary-guidelines-online-materials
>people’s GPs literally tells people that they shouldn’t eat more than 2500 calories a day
So does any other doctor, mine included.-
Yeah, but unlike in the U.S people actually listen here, they don’t react viscerally like "It’s from the government so it must be wrong", or "believing what the government says is socialism.".
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stop moving the goalposts
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>they don’t react viscerally like "It’s from the government so it must be wrong", or "believing what the government says is socialism.".
What in the gently caress are you talking about, peasant? Nobody thinks their doctor is a communist for telling them to put down the soda.
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It really isn’t actually, the US recommends daily caloric intake as well.
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Capitalism.
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Concerted effort by sugar lobbyist to paint fat as the evil of the modern age, and the reason for rising obesity rates (Back when it was still a relatively harmless issue), thus making the public believe that sugar was a good addative/replacement for what was once fat (Notice the proliferation of fat free products in the 80’s/90’s. Most of those upped the sugar content to still get something approaching a decent taste).
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But that period also saw the rise of "sugar free" products such as diet soda.
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I’d say the sugar free movement was more of a 2000’s thing as opposed to 80’s and 90’s. Untop of that, sugar producers just found creative ways to sneak sugar into products while pretending they’re sugar free.
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During the 70’s the wisdom of the day was "eating fat makes you fat".
So every thing with fat in it was replaced by a "light" or "diet" version, filled with sugar or hfcs. Too bad sugar makes you fat AND gently caresss up your digestive system.-
People back then also thought that eggs were something you should only have once or twice a week.
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Retards STILL think that
>MUH SODIUM
>LIKE A CIGARETTE
Meanwhile I eat whatever I want, including evil eggs, with no health issues and i’m not fat.
Clearly i’m some sort of gently caressing superhero.
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Neither sugar nor fat make you fat, it’s repeatedly eating at a caloric surplus that makes you fat.
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Cheap food and nobody understand portion control. Even if they know how many calories they shoudl eat, they wildly understimate how high calorie a lot of shit is, or don’t keep track of
>small
things like their coffee that’s basically pure milk and gently caressing sugar. There’s also a LOT of stupid bullshit that prevents people from working out.
Thinking pain/discomfort means stop, discomfort/pain means you can’t start in the first place, you can get good cardio without sweating, women will get "too muscly" if they strength train, ect.tl;dr
bad nutritional knowledge+worse math=fatties.
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The USA has been Molochized by the you know whos
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I think we have a pretty gently caressed up food culture in general, but particularly in the south where I live. People here have a distorted view of what normal portion sizes are and what sorts of foods and drinks are normal to consume regularly. It’s not uncommon to meet people who literally only drink soda pop (sometimes diet) and tea (always sweet).
I hope someone has written about this, but I have a suspicion that this is connected to the move away from fat (the macronutrient) in the mid-twentieth century. Americans 100 years ago ate much, much more butter on average than Americans today. Then in the 1950’s health officials got the word out that fat and cholesterol could be bad for the heart, so the public began demanding fat-free food. The food flavoring of choice became sweetener, and now we have an explosion of obesity. -
>all these excuses ITT
literally just eat less and have some discipline. The real reason is because you’re lazy, nothing else-
What you eat plays a major role in how hungry you are later, and how many calories your dumb ass will consume.
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I’m sure there are plenty of other environmental factors, but from what I can tell from living in America
>A lot of people are poor
>A lot of people who are had have children
>Poor people worked long hours and are too tired to cook (whether this is a valid excuse or not, doesn’t matter)
>They get fast food for the family because it’s cheap
>Kids grow up with this as a cultural tradition
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Sometime i wish i was a mall ninja in a mobility scooter
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When liberalism is your only morality, society just becomes a mass of people enslaved by their passions, which means that if you try to argue that X choice is better than Y choice, people will only reply with "ITS MY LIFE, MIND YOUR BUSINESS!" because they are indoctrinated freedom drones.
Conservatives and liberals are both complicit in this. If freedom is the most important ethical value, then being fat is as good as being thin, because both are *free choices*.
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God you’re stupid
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Pray tell.
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Your notion of politics is completely wrong which is symptomatic if a Socialist stooge. There’s no fixing you because Socialism functions as an intellectual safety net that prevents indoctrinated from asking any real questions and instead lash out at what they’re told
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I’m not a socialist. I’m not even on the left at all. I’m just not a braindead libertarian.
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Let me guess, National Socialist larper? Or Socialist Democrat?
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Why does it matter you faggot? Why can’t you instead respond to the actual meat of my first post instead of trying to shoehorn me into a label with preconceived notions? Is it that hard for you to use your brain?
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He’s clearly not a social democrat. They wouldn’t bitch about liberalism.
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Oh I know. I just juxtaposed them to show that they’re the same thing. A belief system that prevents rational thought
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Let me guess, National Socialist larper? Or Socialist Democrat?
Literally the exact same reaction you get *every single time* someone criticizes "muh freedumbs", just complete autistic screeching and zero arguments.
And you still wonder why people think liberals and libertarians are gently caressing dumb.
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Not an argument
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You never addressed the original argument either. The paradox of the false freedom in liberal hedonism is real. You are free to pursue your own happiness, yet in real actual liberal society the choices are predetermined. Experts determine the ‘happiness’ down to your dopamine reactions.
I mean, it’s still better than the previous society (I disagree with the original guy), e.g. Victorian age social repression, but it’s still a problem nonetheless.
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>I HAVE AN ARGUMENT
>okay, what is it
>YOU’RE TO SIMPLE TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE ITKeep using political definitions incorrectly tankie
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So, you’re trolling. If you deny social observation then you basically deny the foundation of every public policy nowadays, which makes your opinion completely irrelevant, unfalsifiable, and borderline cult-like because of your no-true-scotsman line of thinking.
How do you think liberal philosophers like Locke based their ontological assumptions from? It’s from social observation, in which they erroneously named as the ‘state of nature’, etc.; from outdated anthropology, sociology, law, and psychology of their times (among other things).
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>deny social observation
the gently caress does this even mean pseud, OI deny anything that sounds made up and "false freedom liberal hedonism" sounds like something I’d read on /leftypol/-
By social observation, I obviously mean empirical observation into a society, either qualitative or quantitative. You can easily observe this by looking at Google algorithm in Youtube, and how it determines the suggestion and therefore indirectly to your choices and search results. Even before giving any information whatsoever to the algorithm, the choices given to you are already shown in a way to promote a certain way of thinking, even at its most basic mode is to just give the more popularly relevant results. Extrapolate those instances and you will have a conclusion similar to what I said before.
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You keep throwing around words like it somehow gives your retarded argument validity. So what you’re saying is that the obviously curated and biased Google search results has the same weight as a case study? Are you 12?
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You should stop talking to the libertarian, he has done nothing but be a condescending cunt like they always are in this thread, and as usual they have zero counterarguments.
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I’m not the one claiming that my garnered opinions from recognizing Google search result bias is somehow a valid critique of society. It’s like going to any social media sire, which is obviously curated content, and claiming that it’s an accurate representation of public opinion.
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No, you’re not claiming anything in this thread. You’re just calling people dumb or pseuds and that’s the extent of your arguments.
Literally the archetype of an average Libertarian.
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>I can’t attack your argument if you’re constantly refuting mine
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You don’t have any arguments fagtron.
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I do, I asked you how we’re supposed to fix it and you sperged out like any socialist would because socialism offers no solutions. At best I got the authoritarian "lol just ban all the bad stuff"
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Good post, but I don’t agree with it being a "false freedom".
Libertarians naively believe that the society you get if you simply unleash unfettered laissez-faire capitalism and social liberty is a society like an Ayn Rand-novel where the romantic hero gets to produce miraculous inventions that help humanity thrive and live good lives.
But what you get is rather an even more extreme version of what you have right now, those romantic heroes will produce guacamole with sewer oil because it’s cheaper and every single consumer(except the disgustingly wealthy) will be complete lardasses without any discipline.
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>Okay how to you propose we fix it
>AHHHHHH BAN SODA AND OBESITY
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Well making soda more expensive is one small way of incentivizing people yes.
But making healthy food cheaper, or subsidizing a form of fast food that is healthier is also another way.
You might think these are pathetic measures, but it’s better than simply accepting that your country slowly but surely turns into an even worse shithole than it already is, but I can understand why you don’t care, because not caring about the trajectory of your country apart from an increasing GDP is literally the whole point of liberalism.
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>making healthy food cheaper
You think fat gently caresss eat unhealthy food because they have to?-
I think fat gently caresss largely eat shit food because of social class.
The people who are skinny in the United States are almost always upper middle class or higher in status and wealth and that’s because their families can afford to either pay an actually cook to make their food, or some old illegal Mexican lady, or they are enmeshed in a culture where everyone already eats healthy and it’s expected that everyone eats healthy.
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Well then you’re a retarded brainwashed socialist. Fat people eat unhealthy because it’s easy. They don’t want to make their own foot they just want to pop something in the microwave. They’re lazy. You can’t fix laziness through regulation, that’s a child’s game, a child’s mentality.
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If being disciplined and having a healthy diet is a good thing, why do you accept living in a society where people have the freedom to do what isn’t the good thing to do?
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You can easily justify genocide with the same logic.
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Not really. The United States used to be a society where it wasn’t acceptable to be fat, it was just socially conditioned into people from birth to adulthood that you shouldn’t eat like a slob, but this is now seen as "oppression".
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Your masters can easily deem an entire race of people to be incompatible with your culture and the only recourse is their destruction. Has happened dozens of time before. This is why you don’t play child’s games over gently caressing SODA
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This is somewhat correct. It isn’t simply laziness but also lack of any kind of tradition or proper child raising. Their parenta didn’t teach them to cook, they didn’t teach them easy meals to make, how to prep, or any kind of traditional foods to make. Laziness is part of it, but that could be solved if cooking was normalized.
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I work shifts at a factory, live on my own and I’m not fat, your point is null.
People are fat in america because schools dropped all the fitness and health programs. Then there is no widespread "healthism" culture to promote healthy behavior in society, instead the fativism movement has taken over.
I’m gonna blame capitalism for this, although ultimately its down to people’s own responsibility that has failed.>capitalism demands lower taxes
>gov gives less funding to schools
>schools cut health and fitness programs
>kids don’t get any education on how proteins, fats and carbs work
>cap tells gov to not do any interference, it agrees
>cap promotes their increasingly bad fast foods to the masses
>cap shuts down the healthism movement through media campaigns and fativism
>fativism ultimately sustains itself and grows as more people get trapped in it
>fativism promotes more gluttony in society, increasing cap’s profits
>medical sector gets free easy profits from all of this, doesn’t object
>gov can always cash in on bribes/donations every few years by threatening actions against the industry
>outside criticism is brushed off as ameriphobia
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>>schools cut health and fitness programs
>>kids don’t get any education on how proteins, fats and carbs work
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/fit/
>live on my own and I’m not fat, your point is null.
>exceptions to a rule disprove a rule in a country with 330 million people
Just stop talking dude.
I’m a euro, and most of my co workers aren’t fat either. Some are overweight, but there is like only two obese guys out of the 400 people who work at my plant.
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>/fit/
Is /fit/ just a bunch of socialist fags catfishing pictures out of people? No, the US hasn’t defunded health education. -
>I’m a Euro
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>I’m a euro, and most of my co workers aren’t fat either. Some are overweight, but there is like only two obese guys out of the 400 people who work at my plant.
Yeah and like 30% of Palestinians are overweight, and that’s not because Palestine is a wealthy country, it’s because Coca-Cola is cheaper than clean water because capitalism.
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Lol no. The problem is third world countries that want to do business before developing their infrastructure. In the case of Palestine they want the benefits of capitalism without actually developing their nation. Look at China, massive production of the world’s good, right? In some cases they have a complete monopoly on manufacturing. Wow, you might say, their people must be living like kings! When that couldn’t be much further from the truth. The same thing happens in Africa to the point that we have to go out in the desert and teach them how to dig wells because they’re benefiting so much from capitalism but never bothered to learn how to get clean water.
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>"want to do business before developing their infrastructure"
>"want to"Implying they have the capital to develop their infrastructure lol. That’s literally a definition of being poor, you don’t have the capital to do things that wealthy countries take for granted.
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>be third world nation
>oh wow you mean we can sell our cheaply made items for massive profit? cool beans
>*invests everything into manufacturing that particular thing*
>socialists on LULZ: Look at how poorly these third world countries are run! Must be capitalism’s fault!
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The investment into producing that one thing is literally capital from a Western country.
Do you think the Chinese just magically conjured the money to produce consumer goods in their country out of thin air starting in 1979?
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>no you can’t invest in another country to develop them!
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>Western capitalists invest in a country specifically for that country to only make cheap goods and nothing else
>surprised when it then never develops its shit infrastructure
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>third world countries swindle their profits and don’t develop their country
>this is the US’s fault
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The reason western capitalists invest in those countries in the first place is because they are poor and shit places with bad infrastructure you dumbdumb, because that means it’s cheap.
Nobody would invest in China if it wasn’t an authoritarian dictatorship with zero respect for human and workers rights.
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>no you can’t invest in third world countries!
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I never said you couldn’t, people demonstrably do, but that doesn’t make it good.
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>it’s not good
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>move manufacturing to another country to get cheaper goods
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>yeah well what about!
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but that’s not true
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The only ‘investment’ that happens is at best the road from factory to the nearest port. Preferably closed to any other traffic to reduce maintenance costs.
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And you’re implying socialism is any better? The great thing about capitalism is they’re FREE to invest that money how they like, the problem is third worlders are all greedy and low IQ. Socialism would do the same thing, but instead of giving them the illusion of choice they would march into their country, take over the government, and then build the road to the factory.
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Dude. I live in a post-commie country that implemented Reagan-esque capitalism. Both socialism and uncontrolled capitalism are incredibly shitty and basically opposite sides of the same coin called ‘buttfucking the pleb’.
Scandinavian model is the thinking man’s choice.
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>Scandinavian mode
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You literary can’t compare UK to Scandinavia.
Currently even Central Euros have better healthcare and education that the Brits.
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Because Scandinavian countries usually have the top spots in almost any ranking regarding quality of life
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>permissible action leads to bad outcome, argument demolished
>shit maybe I don’t want to talk about actions and consequences or right and wrong at this point
>wait, I know how to end this conversation American style
>"w-well, like, you can’t tell me what to do!"
I’m not a socialist, but in service of capitalism I’d really rather you faggot retard cunts would keep your gently caressing mouths shut with your playground bullshitIf your best defense for doing something is because you can, then get the gently caress off my board. Foreign investment strategies in the developing world have been shit, and the shit runs both ways. Is this an indictment of foreign investment? No, it’s an indictment of the kind of people in foreign investment on both sides of the table who don’t give a shit whether they’re gently caressing ruining everything for everybody else. The sort of people who say "well that’s muh prerogative so haha gently caress you"
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>live on my own and I’m not fat, your point is null.
>exceptions to a rule disprove a rule in a country with 330 million people
Just stop talking dude.
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>waaa ban all the things so stupid people don’t do them!!!
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Also, no draft.
It’s interesting that in societies that kept draft, governments cared that future cannon fodder is in good shape.
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Forgot to add that one.
US military were the ones who demanded that schools started including fitness in to the curriculum and offered the school lunch on a nation wide level so that they could avoid the WW2 issue of man power shortage due to too many draftees being turned away because they were physically unfit for service (something that had more to do with the economic troubles of the 1930’s).
I guess the need went away when the population went up and there were more recruits available than what the modern military could make use of.
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You have no idea what libertarians believe, you mouth breather.
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Not just their own passions, but the passions of everyone else too. People being free to express themselves however they please simply leads to subjugation by the majority.
This is why the Americans that don’t fit inside their nation’s absurdly simplistic two ideology dichotomy are practically ostracized out of the conversation or are railroaded to support a choice they don’t agree with.
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>If freedom is the most important ethical value, then being fat is as good as being thin, because both are *free choices*.
in a vacuum, yes. but if you consider the implications that either choice has under the current system of governance (medical gibs), then being at is evidently worse: that choice instills a burden on everyone else. in a different system that would not be the case. then it would become biological objections and preferential objections, but not necessarily ethical objections.
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I’m not American. At first I thought it was the subsidised corn syrup, but then I found out how easy it is to buy cheap healthy ingredients over there. That means blaming the subsidies is just an excuse for a lack of discipline for some people.
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I don’t know. Say Officer Bitch tits, why are you so gently caressingg fat? Your friends wanna know.
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it’s what free market demands, people aren’t people, they are consumers.
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So Socialism will regulate minority’s lack of self control and engorgement how?
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Capitalism and consumerism culture.
None of this would have happened if rich people weren’t allowed to run society as freely as they do in the US.
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Poor people are stupid, they deserve exploitation.
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Kinda, but forcing veggie culture down poor kid’s throats is the humane way.
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Well the vast majority of obese Americans also tend to be hispanics and blacks so…
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Definitely one of the big reasons is in fact the high amounts of fructose in American food
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I’ts pretty simple. Americans have to pay a fortune for healthcare. So their society is set up to make them all unhealthy so a big profit can be made from them..
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It’s only white people who are fat in America though. If you look at the Asian, Hispanic and African population they are on average slim.
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>It’s only white people who are fat in America though. If you look at the Asian, Hispanic and African population they are on average slim.
that’s bullshit and you know it
t. Hispanic
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