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    • #138871
      Anonymous
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      Memes-aside, why exactly do American Evangelicals have this bizarre obsession with Israel? It’s not really something that’s prevalent with any other major Christian denomination.

    • #138872
      Anonymous
      Guest

      they believe that once all of the garden gnomes return to their homeland, jesus will come back

      that’s basically it

    • #138873
      Anonymous
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      They belive in Rapture, when they’ll be taken alive to paradise. And for the Rapture to happen, the God must stop loving garden gnomes. Which will happen when garden gnomes will sufficiently annoy God.

      Thus, the master plan is to strengthen the Israel, and to allow garden gnomes freedom to commit as many crimes as possible, so as to make God disgusted with the gnomish atrocities sooner (and allow Evangelicals to get to paradise before they die).

      • #138961
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >And for the Rapture to happen, the God must stop loving garden gnomes.
        False. God is not done with the garden gnomes and will continue to save them even through the tribulation. Christians will all be taken out of the Earth before the tribulation, so that they will know it is the work of God alone.

    • #138874
      Anonymous
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      They believe that greater Israel is an end times prophecy that will bring about the rapture. Rapture is the ultimate “we told you so” to evangelicals.

    • #138875
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >why exactly do American Evangelicals have this bizarre obsession with Israel?
      America, being in a perpetual state of theological anarchy, is a place where any and every interpretation of scripture that can be made has been made. As a result, rich zionists fund the shit out of anything that helps with their political aims.

    • #138876
      Anonymous
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      It’s not really an ideological thing. In the 1970’s, gnomish groups and media figures decided to push this narrative among white Christian groups, and simply bought off influential ‘Christian’ writers like Tim LaHaye. American evangelicals tended to be low-IQ sheeple, so, this actually worked.

    • #138877
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Christian’s jobs is to witness and love garden gnomes. No one wants to actually do the job of getting mad and angry when they reject christians and actually threaten to kill them and blaspheme God. So they just promote a message that boosts their career and everything. His message isn’t wrong, God will turn His back on any nation that turns its back on Israel. But if Israel turns its back on Jesus, then God will not preserve them. So it is still important for Christians to hope they get saved. There are Evangelicals that are probably good and serve God to help this, but there are also probably evil ones that their only purpose is to get people to worship garden gnomes, and Catholics, and Muslims, and the universal religion of all religions are welcome and nothing matters and there is no one truth of God mumblejumble.

      • #138932
        Anonymous
        Guest

        "Israel" is now the church, not unsaved garden gnomes.

        • #138938
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The Israel Christians are going to is in Heaven first, before they come down to the earth one, which is an enemy when we arrive.

          • #138942
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Nope, that’s the false teaching that caused this problem. The Christian Church will rule for the 1,000 years. Unsaved garden gnomes are going to be eliminated during the tribulation.

            • #138945
              Anonymous
              Guest

              “Heaven is a false teaching.”
              >triggered garden gnome / garden gnome worshiper
              But then you say garden gnomes are going to be eliminated for not being saved, that part is true, but they will also be eliminated if they don’t convert to the antichrist. That is why you said it the way you did.

              • #138947
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >misrepresentations and nonsense
                Sorry, I don’t debate low grade morons. Have a nice day.

                • #138949
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >calls Heaven Israel a false teaching walks away when told Jesus will be king in Jerusalem, not him.
                  Poor baby.

                • #138953
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  You are going to hell.

                  Here is where you were wrong to argue with us:

                  First we are caught up in the air.
                  >1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

                  Jesus comes down out of Heaven in Matthew, and Revelation.
                  > Matthew 25:31 31 nWhen the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the oholy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

                  [Revelation 19:11-21 KJV]

                  https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-19/

                  Israel comes down out of Heaven, called New Jerusalem.
                  > Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

                  • #138955
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >> Matthew 25:31
                    Psalm 45 3-8 kjv what does Jesus look like.
                    3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
                    4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
                    5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king’s enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
                    6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
                    7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
                    8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.

                    [Psa 2:2-4 KJV] 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh.

                    Psalms 2:1-2 KJV
                    1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
                    2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
                    3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
                    4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

                    • #138958
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Psalms 45 verses 9-17 kjv

                      9 Kings’ daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
                      10 Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father’s house;
                      11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.
                      12 And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift; even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour.
                      13 The king’s daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold.
                      14 She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee.
                      15 With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king’s palace.
                      16 Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth.
                      17 I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.

            • #138946
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >The Christian Church will rule for the 1,000 years.
              Furthermore, Jesus will rule from the temple, alive. Not the church pretending they are him. You don’t really even believe in God’s power to have kept Jesus alive in Heaven all this time, do you?

      • #138936
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        • #138943
          Anonymous
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          [Jeremiah chapter 51].

    • #138878
      Anonymous
      Guest

      What do the other big Christian denominations (Catholicism, mainstream Protestantism, the Orthodox Churches etc.) actually think about the creepy Israel fetishism that American Evangelicals and Baptists have? Like is it something that their higher-ups have ever actually commented on?

    • #138879
      Anonymous
      Guest

      it’s literally propaganda and narrative setting
      the creation myth of the modern world is WW2, specifically the Holocaust
      this myth describes the primordial chaos from which the modern world was born (the racist past before we realized nazis r evil) the war in heaven (killing the nazis/racism) and gives the origin of ultimate good (heroes who fight racism) and ultimate evil (racists)
      this narrative has been driven into American heads for literally decades now, American identity is tied up in hating Nazis and simping like white knights for their victims (garden gnomes, but also blacks and whatever other degenerates)

      • #138914
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >literally just regurgitating BlackedPigeonSpeaks’ verbal diarrhea

        Please come up something actually freaking original as input.

        • #138916
          Anonymous
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          What matters is whether or not it’s true, not whether or not it’s original. This isn’t a creative writing class, numbnuts.

        • #138933
          Anonymous
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          It’s only fitting that he copies the words of a plagiarist and says acts like they’re his own.

        • #138996
          Anonymous
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          It’s funny because bps just plagarized a /poo/ post for that video almost verbatim

    • #138881
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The Scofield Reference Bible, which was published by garden gnomes. Also, garden gnomes bribe influential Evangelical preachers to be pro-Israel.

      • #138893
        Anonymous
        Guest

        So If I raveled back in time an assassinated Cyrus Schofield, would there be no Christian Zionism?

        • #138894
          Anonymous
          Guest

          the idea that american foreign policy is the result of "christian zionists" not rich garden gnomes is a joke. Its bad enough garden gnomes completely pervert american policy, but then they pass the buck of responsibility as well.

          American policy would not change one bit if there was no such thing as christian zionism.

          • #138899
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Rich garden gnomes like Bill Kristol and Richard Perle craft US foreign policy while the Christian Zionists provide the huge voting bloc for neocon Republican politicians. But it’s always rich garden gnomes pulling the strings.

            • #138902
              Anonymous
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              ah, just neocon voting blocks. Why don’t the democrats just block them? After all , they have no allegiance whatsoever to hillbilly evangelicals. And its not like any other policy prefence of evangelicals manages to get fulfilled.

              oh right, evangelicals are just the whipping boy for rich garden gnomes bought policy.

              • #138903
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Why don’t the democrats just block them?
                Because the Democrats are now neo-liberal and globalist. Despite their antipathy for hillbilly evangelicals, they also promote zog wars.

                • #138904
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  no, its because they are both on the payroll of zionist garden gnomeS

                  • #138905
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Yes, but that doesn’t contradict what I said. The politicians are on the payroll, the voters are just brainwashed and hoodwinked.

        • #138900
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Nah, the wealthy zionist garden gnomes would have simply found some other shill to promote.

        • #138907
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You don’t need prot bullshit to have Zionists.

          • #138908
            Anonymous
            Guest

            gnomish Zionists? No. Christian Zionists? Yes.

            • #138923
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Imperialists support Israel regardless of their religion. Ironically in the mainstream the most anti Zionist newspaper is hareetz.

    • #138882
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The US needed a strong ally in the Middle East and Israel was the ideal candidate since it was created through British, French and American interests. I don’t believe the people in charge intended Americans to become zealous about it, but due to the inherent neurotic and holier than thou-attitude present in Abrahamic religions the American people kept trying to outdo each other in sucking Israeli cock, so here we are today.

      • #138883
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >The US needed a strong ally in the Middle East and Israel was the ideal candidate
        Boy, did that blow up in our faces! That’s what happens when you’re stupid enough to trust garden gnomes.

        • #138884
          Anonymous
          Guest

          you will never have an ethnostate

          • #138885
            Anonymous
            Guest

            We had one. Then we let the garden gnomes in. Maybe others will learn from our fatal mistake.

      • #138892
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >The US needed a strong ally in the Middle East
        america and israel do not have an alliance though. Thats why there are zero israelis deployed to, iraq, afghanistan, or any other war fought against Israeli enemies.

        • #138934
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Afghanistan isn’t Israel’s enemy, it’s Pakistan’s enemy. A country that until very recently was also our ally in the region.

      • #138927
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The US had no enemies in the Middle East before Israel

        • #138928
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Barbary Pirates?

      • #138930
        Anonymous
        Guest

        US has other close allies in the region, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt, and from a geopolitical perspective backing Israel does more harm than good. But between rich American garden gnomes and evangelicals and Israeli lobbying the political class backs them anyway.

      • #138997
        Anonymous
        Guest

        It’s really just because of the gnomish population here. This isn’t unique to them as we’ve had similar shit with our Irish population and the IRA. You can’t trust a hyphen populace to not have some kind of sympathy for their brethren overseas. Not dual loyalties per se, but definitely sympathies.

        they are crypto/secret garden gnomes
        their ancestors converted to Christianity at some point but they still serve gnomish cause

        Unironically protestants do wish they were gnomish.

        • #138999
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Unironically protestants do wish they were gnomish

          Why would I want to be a garden gnome and go through tribulation just because I wouldn’t accept Jesus as my messiah?

          • #139002
            Anonymous
            Guest

            It’s less that they want to be gnomish gnomish, and more that they want the trappings of Judaism. The whole chosen people theme is reflected in the idea of the elect of calvinism and the born-again elect of Evangelicalism. The emphasis on the OT vs NT, the role of God as a bitter and vengeful father, the screeching against any form of idolatry, the obsession with gnomish themes as opposed to NT Greco-Christian ones: City on the hill, New Jerusalem, God testing his chosen believers.

            • #139003
              Anonymous
              Guest

              evangelicals aren’t anywhere near this cool. If you talk to them, they have a very warm and fuzzy feeling towards God. Like they find praying to intermediaries nonsensical, why not just pray directly to God?

              In judaism, "fear of god" is not just a turn of phrase, they actually fear god and don’t mind not getting his attention.

            • #139005
              Anonymous
              Guest

              The true church is a mystery revealed to Paul:

              [Eph 3:2-4 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

              It is composed of garden gnome and gentiles who have been called out to join the same body.

              [Eph 3:6 KJV] 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

              Protestants, catholics, garden gnome it doesn’t matter. Many will go through tribulation simply because they didn’t believe Jesus wasn’t enough. If you accept that Jesus is enough you will be caught up. If not you will stay here and get to work for your own salvation with your own hands. Be careful what you ask for here.

              • #139007
                Anonymous
                Guest

                I know everyone should have a right to their opinion and all, but some opinions are dangerous, and America would be a safer place if people didn’t have such opinions. Christian Zionists are responsible for 9/11. Israel is a liability. So much for blessing he who bless thee

                • #139009
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  No one is responsible for Israel, God formed that nation in one day according to prophecy.

                  see

                  When in History has a "nation been born in a day"

                  [Isa 66:8 KJV] 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

                • #139012
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  i agree with this logic. all marxism literature, homosexual and chud anything, all need to be purged

                  • #139013
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Tel-Aviv is not the capital of Israel.

                    [Zec 14:4 KJV] 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

                    jerusalem *** holy hell how did i fuck that up or yeah i’m high atm

                    Even this guy got it right the second time.

                    • #139014
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      thanks fren i’m pretty high but even my ass knows its jerusalem. kinda hard not to growing up going to church every sunday.

                  • #139015
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Tel-aviv on left Jerusalem on right. Which one is fighting against all the trans and gay crap?

                    • #139016
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      jerusalem

                      • #139017
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Thanks fren

        • #139018
          Anonymous
          Guest

          > Unironically protestants do wish they were gnomish.
          Yes. They hate them because they ain’t them.

        • #139019
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Unironically protestants do wish they were gnomish.
          many of their ancestors actually were one but converted at some point but were keeping their gnomish identity in secret

    • #138886
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Evangelicals
      are a doomsday cult that believe with the state of Israel existing they are closer to rapture happening

    • #138887
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They like Israelis training US cops because they want to do to blacks and Latinos what Israel does to Palestinians

      • #139001
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Recent events have shown that those Israeli-trained US cops will actually be used against dissident White Americans. (Dissident will come to mean any White American who doesn’t want to be jabbed with an experimental pharmaceutical concoction or allow his child to be subjected to chud propaganda.)

    • #138888
      Anonymous
      Guest

      they are crypto/secret garden gnomes
      their ancestors converted to Christianity at some point but they still serve gnomish cause

    • #138889
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Protestantism.

    • #138890
      Anonymous
      Guest

      revelations schizophrenia

    • #138891
      Anonymous
      Guest

      america prots are obsessed with precisely two books in the bible: Pauls Letter to the Romans and Revelations. A small cottage industry is finding modern interpetations of Revelations, which frequently involve the state of israel. Non-prots generally see revelations as being too cryptic to be useful, or perhaps already fulfilled centuries ago, so they see israel as the illegitimate white supremecist state that it is.

      • #138895
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >israel
        >white supremacist state
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2t-DmkgCg

        • #138897
          Anonymous
          Guest

          you aren’t wiggling out of this one moishe, you are white and you are staying white. You can enjoy the slander you have heaped on the white race as well (which you are part of).

          • #138898
            Anonymous
            Guest

            you’re not as clever as you think you are

      • #138896
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Orthodox don’t even have Revelations in their lectionary. IIRC, the recent lectionary books made with the EOB translation just put Revelations in an appendix.

    • #138901
      Anonymous
      Guest

      50% end-times LARPing
      50% they basically see America as a second Israel

    • #138906
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Anyone who has read the OT should have literally no reason to support the State of Israel, given how many times God has cast them out. Following the logical progression of the OT story, it’s clear that, just like with the Babylonians, if the OT books continued, the Romans were instructed by God to wipe out Israel and then scatter the people, by first destroying the Second Temple in AD 70.

      • #138935
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This. I’m honestly quite baffled that both Christian Zionists and non-Christian anti-Zionists are unaware of how the OT isn’t just "Israel good". Then again, most churches don’t bother teaching the entire Bible which is how you get the confusion that so many Christians experience.

        • #138937
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Why would non-Christians care about what the OT says?

          • #138939
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Given how many books, diagrams, and other bullshit atheists have assembled to attack the OT, it seems like they care more about what it says (and how it’s wrong) than practicing theists care about what it says (and how it isn’t wrong).

            • #138944
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Sounds like that has more to do with your own browsing habits than anything else.

            • #139004
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Very few Christians have actually read the Bible cover to cover, let alone studied it carefully.

          • #138959
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Prophecy.

        • #138941
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It’s called reading the Bible for yourself.

          Church is where you get fed. Sometimes the pastor starts feeding lunch-lady quality meals that are very disagreeable. That is when you Tune it out and read it for yourself. Or at home. Or on the computer, since we have that now. Yes, get a Home Gaming Desktop spend lots of money to custom build one for the home and use it to study the Bible so you can post images on image boards.

    • #138909
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They weren’t always. There were several times when America was going to take action against Israeli aggression. But firstly, we should get it out of the way that America and Israel were never allies at the inception of Israel. In fact, Israel was a close ally of the Soviet Union and they eventually alienated from each other. However, I’m getting a little head of myself.
      >USSR took in the most amount of garden gnomes after WW2 which resulted in the local populace in the eastern bloc getting fed up with garden gnomes enjoying a little bit more freedom than your average comrade(You maybe familiar with the Doctor’s Plot and there were several films during the 50’s-70’s covering the gnomish plight in the com-bloc countries.)
      Part 1/????

      • #138910
        Anonymous
        Guest

        America’s love affair began with Lyndon Johnson.

        • #138911
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Interesting footnote: LBJ’s mistress was a former Irgun agent.

          https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/

          No wonder he was so eager to cover up Israel’s attempted false-flag attack on the USS Liberty.

        • #138913
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It started a wwwweeeee bit earlier than that since several politicians in the US offered up US land for the World Zionist Congress.

          • #138915
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Right, there were pro-Zionist politicians before LBJ, but after the assassination of JFK Israel finally had a full-blown, hard-core Zionist in the White House.

            https://www.wrmea.org/1996-november-december/middle-east-history-it-happened-in-november.html

            https://nishmablog.blogspot.com/2012/08/lyndon-b-johnson-friend-of-garden gnomes.html

            • #138919
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Zionist or not, it took sometime for America to become allies with Israel. If I recall, the US government was extremely distraught over the incident and fined Israel for it’s actions.
              >In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$24.7 million in 2020) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($25.2 million in 2020) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($18.8 million in 2020) as the final settlement for material damage to Liberty itself plus 13 years of interest.[9]
              Also, everyone seems to forget that Freemasons in the government are a thing.

              • #138921
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Wow, a treacherous act that would normally be considered as more than meriting a harsh reprisal and declaration of war against them but instead we bend over for a little hush money. They only got away with it because they had a dedicated Zionist in the White House who was willing to sweep it under the rug. All you’ve done is prove Israel’s huge influence in our government, even back in ’67.

      • #138912
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >After Stalin died, garden gnomes were given an option to move back to out of the com-bloc countries or move to Israel. Since Israel was pretty much well established and feigning its support with Britain and France, The USSR was an excellent alternative to them. Israel received weapons, food aid, and most importantly, more garden gnomes.
        >However, not all was rosy in the land of paradise. After Israel discovered that the USSR was arming and training it’s enemies. Israel was quick to cut off ties with them and quickly tried to search for another ally. For those of you that remember The USS Liberty incident. In which an Israeli war plane thinly disguised as an Egyptian fighter attacked a US warship in hopes of the US joining the Six Day War. However, this was not to be and the US fined Israel and refused to help Israel during the Six Day War.
        Part 2/???

    • #138917
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >During this time, Israel tried multiple attempts to court the US and ultimately failed. It was not until 1973 that Israel would have it’s chance to finally become allies with the US.
      >During the Yom Kippur War Syria (hoping to regain the Golan Heights) and Egypt (hoping to regain the Suez Canal) decimated Israeli army and airforce nearly leading to the total annihilation of Israel itself. Henry Kissinger sensing an opportunity fuck with the USSR sent Israel several tonnes of armor, guns, weapons, etc to help aid Israel and back the Syrian and Egyptian forces. However, it was quickly realized that aiding Israel was a horrid mistake and the USSR along with several Arab OPEC members ceased their oil exports to both the US and Europe resulting in a gas shortage. However, Israel suddenly enjoyed a great luxury and ramped up Pro-Israeli propaganda 10-fold.
      For Example, the number of Holocaust films increased after 1973.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films

    • #138918
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Puritan lunatics that came to relevance after the establishment of the Commonwealth of England, and then moved to America.

      • #138920
        Anonymous
        Guest

        No. The Puritans settled in New England and eventually devolved into Unitarians and Congregationalist, both of whom tend to support Palestinian rights. The Evangelicals are from the South and Midwest and come from different stock. See Albion’s Seed by David Hackett Fischer for details.

        • #138922
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Is there anything like Albion’s Seed, but for different countries?

    • #138924
      Anonymous
      Guest

      There grandparents read the Scofield Bible

    • #138925
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Christian Zionism, it has been a thing since the days of Cromwell and the Puritans.

    • #138926
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s not just american evangelicals, a bunch of protestant denominations here in Brazil also suck Israeli dick and SO DO catholics.

      This is the one thing I cannot stand about "the right" here. I do not understand where did this come from, why has it become the default position of "the conservative religious right" to kowtow to Israel and garden gnomes.

    • #138929
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The reasons are historical.
      When Roman Catholicism led Christianity, the garden gnomes were correctly viewed as being supplanted by the Church. However, Rome became notoriously un-Christian and corrupt, and God brought about the Reformation, and with it the idea that each nation could have its own "vatican" type church-state arrangement that was free from Rome, hence the Church of England, the Lutherans, Geneva, etc. They continued to have the correct view of the garden gnomes. But groups of Bible believers in the protestant countries continued to press for reforms, and they repudiated the church-state arrangement, demanding independence of their churches, saying civil affairs and church don’t mix. This means they no longer viewed the church as a secular power, and resented the institutional churches. Yet scripture is full of promises that Christ’s church will essentially rule and reign over the earth, something they now said was evil. To reconcile this paradox, they revived the early church teachings about a future 1000 year millennial reign of Christ, a doctrine the established churches has rejected as figurative and that an ethereal heavenly kingdom awaits in the eschaton. By embracing a new "literal" view of the millennium, they faced the "literal" problem that seemed to apply these promises to "Israel". If taken figuratively, it means the Church, so established churches applied the term to themselves. But the new literal teaching of the millennium brought with it in the evangelical churches a novel idea that the church would simply vanish in the rapture and that the garden gnomes would take over and rule for the 1,000 years. This reconciled both their view that churches should not have secular power, and the literal teachings about the millennium, but applying that to the garden gnomes, that they could have such earthly promises. This all gets elaborately explained as "dispensationalism" by the Plymouth Brethren movement, dividing what is "gnomish" from what pertains to the Church.

    • #138931
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because they believe that the existence of Israel will lead to the end time, which is somehow a good thing according to them

    • #138940
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They need the garden gnomes to rebuild the temple so the end times can begin. That’s literally it.
      But the garden gnomes can’t do that because of muslims.

    • #138952
      Anonymous
      Guest

      garden gnomes brainwashed you
      it’s that simple

    • #138954
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Not just Americans, muslims, garden gnomes, and christians all believe Israel is the Holy land. Jesus will come back in reclaim it and rule there for 1000 years.

      The prophecy in revelation is already unfolding, everyone will see, even Israel will see Jesus coming in the clouds. Many will wail because of it.

    • #138956
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >uncritical KJV sola scriptura

      • #138957
        Anonymous
        Guest

        What else do you need beside the work of Jesus Christ?

    • #138960
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They mistakenly think that modern day garden gnomes are the descendants of the Hebrews.

      In reality, modern garden gnomes are all Elamites, and have nothing to do with Hebrews. They are the enemy of the Hebrews who have co-opted the gnomish identity and turned into a pagan religion, that’s why they sacrifice chickens to "cancel out a year’s worth of sin." It’s just modern Christ-mockery. Nothing to do with Torah.

      • #138963
        Anonymous
        Guest

        When in History has a "nation been born in a day"

        [Isa 66:8 KJV] 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

    • #138962
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Don’t ask me I’m a Catholic and my support for Israel is only due to me growing up going to the JCC and having connections with them. Good people.

      • #138964
        Anonymous
        Guest

        What nation has blessed the gentiles and has been our best ally in the Middle East?

        [Isa 66:12 KJV] 12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon [her] sides, and be dandled upon [her] knees.

        With antisemitism being world wide, we have protected them, and they have been targets of hate and ridicule for hundreds of years.

        • #138967
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >What nation has blessed the gentiles and has been our best ally in the Middle East?
          Turkey. We don’t even have an alliance with Israel.

          • #138973
            Anonymous
            Guest
            • #138975
              Anonymous
              Guest

              that link you posted doesn’t describe an alliance.

              In the invasion of Iraq there were Canadian and British troops, etc, because America has an alliance with them. America does not have an alliance with Israel, so they haven’t sent a single solider to any of the wars America fought curiously in the vicinity of Israel.

              • #138977
                Anonymous
                Guest

                "Raytheon, the American partner of Rafael, manufactures subsystems for the Iron Dome in 15 states. These are currently sent to Rafael’s main facility in Israel for final assembly. "

                • #138978
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Yes? words have meaning, you know. Israel is not part of NATO, and does not have an alliance with america.

                  • #138980
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Ok zoomer, I still voted for Trump

                  • #138981
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >wikipedia
                    The relations between Israel and the United States have evolved from an initial United States policy of sympathy and support for the creation of a gnomish state in 1948 (It was the first country to recognize the establishment of the State) to an unusual partnership that links Israel with the United States trying to balance competing interests in the Middle East region. The United States has been considered Israel’s most powerful and supportive ally and hosts the annual Salute to Israel Parade in New York City. From 1948 to 2012, the United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in aid (after adjusting for inflation). In addition, the US has provided Israel with $19 billion in loan guarantees.[352]

                    The United States is Israel’s largest trading partner, accounting for 22.4 percent of Israel’s $43.19 billion in imports, and 42.1 percent of Israel’s $40.14 billion in exports annually (2005).[353] The U.S. also provides Israel with $2.4 billion in military assistance annually, which is equivalent to 24.5 percent of Israel’s military expenditures. (2005).[353]

                    • #138982
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >not an alliance
                      please note, turkey is an ally, which explains the military support its given to american invasions in the region. America is not able to use Israeli bases for example to launch attacks on targets in Iraq. Because Israel does not have an alliance with America. The most accurate way to describe the relationship would be america is israel’s "paypig", and israel is america’s "financial dominatrix".

                      • #138984
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Go argue with wikipedia then

                      • #138985
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        what was the name of the treaty that created the "alliance" between israel and america?

                      • #138987
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >have to have treaty to have alliance.
                        Are you talking about wartime alliances, when is last time we had major war? 1945?

                      • #138990
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Given we do not have an alliance treaty with Israel, and they have not participating in our "minor" wars, its safe to say they will not participate in any future "major" wars.

                        (because we do not have an alliance with israel).

                      • #138991
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Sounds like you full of shit.

                      • #138995
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >we have an alliance with israel!
                        >well, there isn’t actually an alliance treaty
                        >and they don’t send troops to our wars
                        >but they are only MINOR wars you see!

                        maybe we have a trans-alliance with israel.

                      • #139008
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >israel is america’s "financial dominatrix".
                        Kek.

    • #138965
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Reminder King James was a scrote

      • #138966
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Reminder that the KJV bible is the word of God.

        [1Th 2:13 KJV] 13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

        • #138993
          Anonymous
          Guest

          KJV has corruptions imported from the Masoretic Text (Written by the garden gnomes who rejected Jesus for 1000 years). So, no.

          • #138994
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Ok can you provide an example please?

            [Eph 1:13 KJV] 13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

            • #139000
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Just look up Septuagint vs Masoretic text, there’s literally thousands of changes which alter the meaning, many times undermining prophecies of Christ. Lots of these errors were copied into the KJV which used the MT as one of its sources.

      • #138971
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Thank God that the Word doesn’t hinge on the sinners who wrote it.

        “Understanding” itself, doesn’t lead to God’s righteousness. You can give a fool more understanding for eternity, he will reach untold comprehension, but remain a fool. Only humility within the heart brings down the fool’s pride and banishes it for good. And only a good and humble sinner accepts Christ’smparson for their sin. And acknowledges Christ is Jesus, the only begotten Son of God.

    • #138968
      Anonymous
      Guest

      israel is the biggest torn in the side of arabs, arabs who own oil, muriccans are still obsessed with their petrodollar, so naturally control over oil dictates supporting israel
      geopolitics, countries and such thing care not about religion, friendship, prophecies, all they care about is their interest
      currently its the USs best interest to support Israel to some extent

      • #138970
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >america is interested in control over oil
        >so it slavishly supports a nation that alienates every single oil producing country in the Middle East
        ESLs are freaking scrotebrained

        • #138972
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >mad american fat virgin
          seethe more uneducated trash

          • #138974
            Anonymous
            Guest
      • #139006
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >friendship
        Please tell our "friends" to stop attacking our ships and blowing up our buildings and trying to blame it on their enemies. And while you’re at it, would you also please ask them to stop blackmailing our politicians? Thanks.

    • #138979
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Israeli Lobbying groups find them as an effective vehicle to push their policy, so they invest lots of money toward pseudo preachers that later dicksuck them.

    • #138983
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You’re getting a lot of shit theology in this thread. There were explicit movements by Zionist organizations in the last 40 years or so to expand the influence of the Israel lobby over the evangelicals. Prior to that basically everyone hated chosenites, who survived primarily (as they always had) by being clients of established leadership structures.

    • #138986
      Dirk
      Guest

      Bait thread
      OP has already been refuted
      https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11988145/#11988187

    • #138988
      Anonymous
      Guest

      If garden gnomes are God’s chosen, the why do?
      80% of them need glasses
      high rates of cystic fibrosis
      high rates of mental disabilities
      digestive problems up the yin yang

      Seems like a very sickly people for God to favor

    • #138989
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It was just created in order to perpetuate cold war geopolitical interests.

      • #139021
        Anonymous
        Guest

        But it soon metastasized into something other. Now the tail wags the dog.

    • #138992
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They literally fund them.

    • #138998
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Watch TBN and Daystar.

    • #139010
      Anonymous
      Guest

      growing up in a christian family, its because of the end of times. they believe journalism will be the holy sight of jesus return.

      • #139011
        Anonymous
        Guest

        jerusalem *** holy hell how did i fuck that up or yeah i’m high atm

      • #139020
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This is the actual origin. Not even the belief that garden gnomes are le chosen, per se, but it originated out of end times fervor in the 1800s which was spawned out novel sects breaking from American Protestants (see: Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, the Restorationists). Kind of in line with the 2nd Great Awakening. Also, it was the days of revivalist preachers like Charles G Finney, who essentially broke all theological ties with their original churches (Finney, a Presbyterian, denied Calvinism). The Schofield Reference Bible also came out of this period, where American Protestantism was falling apart.
        Thus, the recreation of Israel was interpreted as bringing closer the end times.

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