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Why do right wingers worship a leftist, anti imperialist guerilla group?
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For the same reasons why they like a neoliberal dictator (Pinochet) and a arab socialist (gaddafi)
Memes aesthetics and catchphrases
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Don’t forget that they actually managed to be successful for decades. Whereas most right wing groups, after seizing power, yeet themselves into war after war until they piss off someone big enough to crush them.
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>Whereas most right wing groups, after seizing power, yeet themselves into war after war until they piss off someone big enough to crush them.
name literally one time this happened
>NODZEES
more left wing than the IRA.
>Spain
but they stayed in power
>Italy
changed sides, also stayed in power post war under a different name, and they took power While leftists.-
>name literally one time this happened
Mussolini; Started off with wars against Libya and Ethiopia before getting his shit kicked in during World War 2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Senussi_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War
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>most right wing
Except latin americans and south asians just chill with their neighbours
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>Gadaffi
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I am sure it has nothing with being successful for decades.
Gaddafi for example had a country with zero debt.-
Gdp=tourism and oil
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don’t forget iron
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Neoliberalism is good
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Neoliberalism is an economic ideology stressing globalization, austerity, deregulation, privatization, and varied interest rates. It was applied to great success in Chile, America, and Britain during the 1980s.
Today, it is that and also often associated with being ok but not enthusiastic about progressive social reforms.
I’m not sure why you think it’s not real. And I’m not sure why you think cultural marxism isn’t real. It’s a bit weird to claim something isn’t "real" because there’s no single settled definition for it. A euphemism/colloquialism can be extremely useful.
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>b-but there’s a Wikipedia page!
Find me any quote from Pinochet or Reagan or Hillary Clinton ect saying something about how they are neoliberals. You can’t, because it’s a boogeyman for Chomskytards.
There was a post war German conservative school of economic thought called the Freiburg school, which is the ONLY thing that ever called itself ‘neoliberalism’ typified by Adenauer. Chile in the 50s (before Pinochet or even Allende) copied some of these ideas and that’s it. That’s the history of neoliberalism, this evil badass final boss that is the cause of all of the lefts problems
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Why do leftists come to LULZ for their scrotegy culture war political bullshit?
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Because they were a group of young working-class Caucasian men who through effective organisation and commitment to their cause fought a powerful state to a standstill
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>this is what Rightnoids actually believe
Next you’ll tell me the France Revolution was a grass root moment.-
The french revolution was the worst thing to happen to France.
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We just like violence.
Violence
British protestants have been living in ireland far long than americans have lived in america
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What’s your point? The IRA intended to create a federal Ireland with autonomy for Ulster, not to genocide the Ulster Prods
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>believes in democracy
>gets mad when northern irish people democratically vote to remain in britain-
"Britain" isn’t a real country. Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England are real countries.
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No country is a "real" country, it’s literally all just subjugated tribes that were forcefully unified with the strongest one
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>"Britain" isn’t a real country. Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England are real countries.
This is scrotebrain nonsense.Britain is a country. It’s the unitary nation state. Our nationality is British. Our island is Britain. Generically and ethnically we’re British.
Before Ireland was added to the mix there was literally no question of Britain being a country.
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>Generically
Genetically*Plus the conception of Britain and the Britons is older, not younger, than the conception of England Scotland and Wales.
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The UK is a country but England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are not. They are sovereign states.
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>They are sovereign states
They aren’t even sovereign.They’re literally just states or provinces which we call "countries" as a quirk. Only the UK is sovereign.
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But they are not countries, they are just states within the UK
What are you talking about? They’re not sovereign at all. Do you even know what that word means?
That’s what they are called as a quirk.
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What are you talking about? They’re not sovereign at all. Do you even know what that word means?
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>ethnically we’re British
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
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There’s a British ethnicity. Wales, English, and Scottish people aren’t all wildly ethnically foreign from each other and this is shown repeatedly through generic studies.
The official national census recognises the core ethnicity to be "white British"
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>British ethnicity
you can literally map the genome of Great Britain and tell if a guy is from the Highlands or Lead you absolute scrotebrain. There is NO British ethnicity you freaking assimilative Anglo scum-
>a guy is from Lead
Explains a lot about the Bri’ishers. -
This
I am English not Bri’ish -
>ethnically we’re British
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
wait you are serious?You sound like a paki arguing he’s different than an indian. Irish, British and the rest of the UK are all British racially
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>let’s kick the Germans out of Danzig
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>autonomy for ulster
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Have you read the Éire Nua documents? Federalism with significant autonomy for Ulster literally central to the policy papers of the IRA. By restoring Ulster as a unit (6 NI counties + 3 Ulster counties in the RoI) within an all-Ireland framework the Ulster Protestants would have some provincial autonomy but not a majority with which to oppress Ulster Catholics
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You thinl that would last long term? You think they’d receive sufficient funding?
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Ulster Protestants would probably be sane, intelligent and normal people without the influence of the Orange Order tbh. Suppressing the Orange Order would let them turn Irish sooner rather than later
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Celtics lived in Ireland before anglos left their caves
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Anglo-Saxons were more advanced than the Irish in every way
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the peak of Anglo accomplishments is getting backdoored by the Rothschilds and giving them Israel, truly the swine of europe.
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>Because they were a group of young working-class Caucasian men who through effective organisation and commitment to their cause fought a powerful state to a standstill
By your standards, the Taliban should also be praised. After all, you said Caucasian, not white or European.
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As a leftist-rightist with a strong respect for the achievements of the PIRA, yes, the Taliban should amply admired and praised, as should the people of Vietnam
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Anglo removal is more important than working out what economic system to have after Anglo removal.
And this also applies to removing the Greater Satan
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I regret to inform you that most of the far right thinks the Taliban is Woke af And Redpilled(tm)
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>I regret to inform you that most of the far right thinks the Taliban is Woke af And Redpilled(tm)
I know. The only real difference between the Taliban and the far right is that the Taliban is mostly olive-brown, and entirely Muslim.
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>You have to be white in order to be ideologically far-right
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Intersectionalism
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>By your standards, the Taliban should also be praised
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What the fuck does Caucasus have to do with the Hindo-Kush mountain range? You must be american.
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Caucasians came from Afghan/north India
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>the Talibans should also be praised
>he doesn’t know
death to America and death to the West -
Talichads*
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>the Taliban should also be praised.
I do praise them, unironicly-
Why though? They just sat on their asses while America decided to implode into itself for like the 5th and final time.
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>By your standards, the Taliban should also be praised. After all, you said Caucasian, not white or European.
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The Taliban are 100% justified in everything. Death to ZOG
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But they aren’t white
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They’re not leftist, strictly speaking. That would be the OIRA, the most well known/successful was the PIRA. (Provisional IRA)
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Eventually struggle for national liberation results in nationalist powers having to choose between nationalist and socialist path. And until then they deserve support. that’s why Italian neofascists (I don’t remember which exactly, Ordine Nuovo or Fronte della Gioventu, or both) admired Montoneros, IRA, Mao and Che Guevara.
Pira was much more left-leaning than other Irish Nationalist structures of the century. Compare them to Blueshirts or other pro-Francoist groups
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The word leftwing didn’t exist till the 60s,
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Son, how high are you
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Leftwing communism is a infantile disorder?
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Sinn Fein would still be 100% leftist on the American political spectrum kek
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Anything that’s not having Jeff Bezos’ shoe 100% of the way in your throat is leftist in America.
Not everyone lives in your shithole country, and not all those who do are blind to the rest of the world.
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We just like violence.
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you don’t like the violence when your guys are taking it
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Hows the weather in Lonodinstan, Abdul?
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Kek
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see? butthurt, like I told you you would be
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All war crimes are woke af. No matter who’s doing it or receiving it.
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Woke af
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The only violence I commit is being a leftist’s wife freaking bull
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As long as it is limited to keyboard 😉
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>ANGLOS OUT OF IRELAND! THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FENIAN PEOPLE!
>Nigerians? Come on in!-
By and large it was the West Brit D4 bourgeois contingent who were most instrumental in creating the pro-LGBT, pro-immigrant, feminist Irish culture to replace the nationalist Catholic one they hated
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And the irish people went along with it because they’re a bunch of maudlin losers with a victim complex that would make black americans blush
>Begorrah we’re the first colonial state in history etc etc
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Ah yes, because Nigerians forbade you to speak gailge and ride a horse and had all the good paying jobs, not to mention they never felt the yolk of the brits.
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You’re responding to a non-Irish person mocking the Irish for allowing mass immigration
Nigerians by the way never did feel the yolk of the Brits comparably to Ireland did
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>Nigerians by the way never did feel the yolk of the Brits comparably to Ireland did
Eh, come on now… At least equally, if not more. They also had to go through the translatlantic slave trade.
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They started the Trans-Atlantic slave trade which the British stopped.
British rule varied wildly from country to country from genocidally tyrannical to relatively benevolent. Nigeria falls more into the latter category
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>he doesn’t know how much west Africa benefited from the slave trade
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And yet mass immigration is a bigger threat to the complete annihilation of the irish culture and people than Anglos ever were.
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Ironically, it isn’t even. Even the Somalian refugee doctors and rocket scientists have been learning traditional Irish sports with the GAA, and even learning to speak Irish; some big Irish language revival activists are of foreign descent.
Even boatloads of refugees are less toxic to the cultural fabric of Ireland than the insidious touch of the Anglo.
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You are freaking delusional
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There are more English immigrants in Ireland than Nigerians
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Because I am an Irish economic leftist who thinks imperialism is bullshit but also is an ethnic nationalist who opposes this country being demographically replaced after hundreds of years of fighting English colonialism. We even had some black cunt on the Irish language channel TG4 last week boasting about this. So therefore by modern political standards, I’m "far right".
Also plenty of actual veterans of the PIRA don’t go along with the modern Sinn Fein party line. Gerry McGeough is the most prominent.
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>plenty of actual veterans of the PIRA don’t go along with the modern Sinn Fein party line
This is complete and utter undiluted grade A cope. SF is the freaking political wing of the PIRA you scrotebrained scrote. I guess you’re real scared of losing those plastic paddy shekels coming from Long Island and places. -
>economic leftist who thinks imperialism is bullshit but also is an ethnic nationalist who opposes this country being demographically replaced after hundreds of years of fighting English colonialism
Have you ever considered learning more about Juche?
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>one splinter faction of a century old nationalist catholic movement
>MUH COMMIES
kys-
>catholic
You’re honestly kidding yourself if you think anyone in Ireland gives a shit about "muh trad faith"
Just like Quebec, they’re secularized for good now-
>secularised for good
Most ira fights are drug gangs but the Catholic and Anglican churches have alot of power in both South and north of ireland
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Death to the Irish!
Well, then again there’s no need to curse them. They already lost their culture and people and replacing them with globalism and Africans. lol! -
>Why do right wingers……..
Cause they were Catholic
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Sounds like declaring all nationalists right wing makes for sloppy accounting
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Haven’t you heard? Only colonials are allowed to be ethno-nationalists now.
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You should tell that to our government and media
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>"Our Revenge Will Be the Laughter of Our Children…except for the ones we abort because they’re inconvenient. NOW CLEAN IT UP JANNY!" *thorws shit on the wall*
>-Bobby "Burger King of H-Block" Sands-
>this is what the IRA fights for
Sinne Fianna Fáil,[fn 1]
atá faoi[fn 2] gheall ag Éirinn,
Buíon dár slua
thar toinn do ráinig chugainn,
Faoi mhóid bheith saor
Seantír ár sinsear feasta,
Ní fhágfar faoin tíorán ná faoin tráill.
Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil, chun báis nó saoil,[fn 3]
Le gunna-scréach faoi lámhach na bpiléar,
Seo libh canaig'[fn 4] amhrán na bhFiann. -
>ANGLOS OUT OF IRELAND! THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FENIAN PEOPLE!
>Nigerians? Come on in!Irish urbanites who campaigned for abortion and support mass immigration utterly and absolutely despise the IRA and see globalism as a means of atoning for the stain of ethnosectarian violence in Ireland. Sinn Féin later got on track with the social policies of these urbanites due to a mixture of MI5 infiltration, post-Cold War geopolitical readjustment and cynical populism, but they have been co-opted into globalism rather than speaheading its triumph here
Irish history is complex and takes some work to understand, but please, for goodness sake, shut the fuck up if you don’t know what you’re talking about
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>shut the fuck up if y9u dont understand
Tell ira supporters to shut up for muh noble savage, when they’re all child bombers
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Because Groypers want to kill people in the streets so freaking badly, it eclipses all thought of ideology or purpose.
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t. charlie kirk
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Because communism is white supremacy and anti racism is the fake left /thread
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communism is gnomish supremacism
source: USSR
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Then ira is not communist
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Right wingers are generally morons with the ideological consistency of lumpy milk
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The thread posed a political question and I answered.
If you want a more serious response, it’s because Americans let their aggressive Anglophobia colour their judgment. Other ostensibly right wing movements like fascism were and still are also run through with a muddled, opportunistic anti-colonialism and sympathy for the subaltern that doesn’t make any sense but doesn’t have to. American nationalism is the same, due to its aforementioned Anglophobic and generally anti-European basis. Possibly due to both fascism and American nationalism being fostered in a politics of resentment – both were deeply hostile to the Old World
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>I fuckin love violence
>Even when ur guys are taking it?
>n-not like t-this
told you-
>"Wtf? You don’t like getting killed? So much for the violent right"
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>I freaking love violence!
>even when ur in the recieving end?
>n-not l-like t-this
told you so-
>I want to win.
>what if you lose
>I… don’t want to lose. I want to win.
>lmao gottem, you want to win but don’t want to lose, I am very intelligent
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>"We are fighting to establish a nation for our people"
>"Wow, that is just like Marxism"
Why does the Left keep doing this?-
Leftwing communism is a infantile disorder
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>phonescroteing and posting in cropped screenshoot
filtered. Click on the plebbit app next time, we know you have it downloaded.-
It’s because jidf
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>"We are fighting to establish a nation for our people"
>"Wow, that is just like Marxism"
>Why does the Left keep doing this?
As to the Irish question….The way I shall put forward the matter next Tuesday is this: that quite apart from all phrases about "international" and "humane" justice for Ireland – which are to be taken for granted in the International Council – it is in the direct and absolute interest of the English working class to get rid of their present connection with Ireland. And this is my most complete conviction, and for reasons which in part I cannot tell the English workers themselves. For a long time I believed that it would be possible to overthrow the Irish regime by English working class ascendancy. I always expressed this point of view in the New York Tribune. Deeper study has now convinced me of the opposite. The English working class will never accomplish anything before it has got rid of Ireland. The lever must be applied in Ireland. That is why the Irish question is so important for the social movement in general.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1869/letters/69_12_10-abs.htm-
Jobs are pointless, what a scrotebrain take. Also the ira was racist/ethnicist and would murder worthless Marxist scrotebrains.
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>Jobs are pointless,
You can’t live with your parents forever, anon-
Rent is gone, there is literally no point in jobs
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He writes that Irish independence can lead to English socialism, not Irish socialism.
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So did the Vietnamese.
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Vietnam was a weird combo, war of liberation vs the French + civil war with South vs North ideological Vietnams
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Soviet Russia was the first country to recognize an independent Ireland in 1917.
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No they didn’t. While there was communication between Soviet Russia and individuals involved in the Irish republican movement, no government was ever recognised. The Irish Republic-declared in 1916 and fought for between 1919 and 1922-was never recognised by any other nation.
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The opposite of imperialism is nationalism
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I worship the first ape to bash another ape’s head in with a freaking rock.
What’s your point?
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There are both left right wings to the IRA, the entire thread is a false premise and you are literally scrotebrains /thread
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Because Anglos are the scum of Earth and should be wiped out
But then again Ireland is a meme country in which majority of its population doesnt speak their language-
>majority of its population doesnt speak their language
They probably don’t speak it in the open, but plenty of people choose to be taught the language in school-
>choose
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Which right wingers? Americans? I’m fairly certain outside of America the IRA were mostly seen as ‘another’ leftist insurgency in a Cold War context, they even got support from Gaddafi and USSR. They sent people to train in North Korea FFS.
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Italians. They were very eager to appropriate some of the left-leaning be national movements, aligning with Maoists etc.
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The IRA flip flopped constantly between ideologies woke af on who was in charge. The original IRA of the Irish Revolution was absolutely not "leftist", but within a few years after the Civil War it was. In WW2 it sided with Nazi Germany, trying to cooperate with them to fuck Britain, then after that they went hard left again.
In 1969 it literally imploded over internal divisions over how to approach ideology and campaigns. The bigger faction (Provos) was the one that said "sure, socialism or whatever, main thing is the British are out."
Irish socialism however has always been quite "nationalist" in its outlook; the general idea is that Ireland and its resources should be reserved for the Irish people, and not exploited by foreign governments or big corporations.
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>The IRA flip flopped constantly between ideologies
Aka they were woke af
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Why do lefties worship capitalist, multi milion dollar companies?
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Why can’t conservatives understand economies of scale and the reason Jeff Bezos doesn’t call potential customers scrotes and scrotes?
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words words words words words words words
Leftists think they’re anti-establishment because their anti-white rhetoric is slightly more intense than what more mainstream institutions parrot. Left-wing politics, specifically communism/socialism, have been co-opted by the status quo. The media riles you up with lies about "institutional racism," you attack the actual right-wing opposition that dares to suggest we end our national stagnation and decadence, and the status quo remains as we sink further into decline and China surpasses us. All to avoid any painful compromises that would be necessary for a western comeback and second cold war.
Liberal elites see you morons and laugh.
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We don’t. It’s a glowie psyop.
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> Why do nationalists like other nationalists
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Because it’s a group of militant white people defending their nation and culture.
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>believing in the Left/Right dichotomy
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It’s pretty simple. They just like the aesthetics of nationalism especially when it’s militant. There’s nothing deeper to it, this whole thread is a massive cope.
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The IRA has right wingers branches, idiot
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>be IRA
>1919
>go to war with Britain
>get funding from Irish diaspora abroad
>collapse British institutions and courts, replace them with your own
>your innovative memeraid tactics inspire countless insurgents abroad, particularly in India with many Indian nationalists directly inspired by you
>win war
>can’t decide if you won hard enough
>declare war on Irish government
>lose (and also win)
>become a dissident group to reinforce republicanism and target remnants of British rule
>swing left, ally with the soviet union for gibs
>get bored with that
>swing right, ally with nazi germany for gibs
>germany loses WW2
>swing back to independent
>fuck around for a few decades
>Northern Ireland implodes
>dig up your guns and start again
>kill a couple thousand members of the British security forces
>Northern Ireland dismantled and rebuilt specifically to cater to Irish nationalists
>get put in government in Northern Ireland, which for the last 50 years has been a one party protestant unionist dictatorship
>your armed gunmen are now on the policing board
>your political wing is about to be the biggest party on either side of the border
>no idea how you got here
I’m thinking woke af-
>catholics
unwoke af-
The IRA come from the Irish Volunteers, which were founded on the orders of Bulmer Hobson (a Protestant) who was a member of the Irish Republican sishood, which dates back to the United Irishmen, the creators of Irish Republicanism, who were mostly presbyterian protestants.
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woke af
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>dictatorship
Yes i also don’t know what words mean
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>bluepilled
The IRA are bad
>redpilled
The old IRA were good, the newer IRA are bad
>greenpilled
The morals of the IRA are irrelevant because they look very cool-
basado muchacho
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And it’s down Along the Falls Road, that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on my left and another on my right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.I was stopped by a soldier, said he, You are a swine,
He hit me with his rifle and he kicked me in the groin,
I begged and I pleaded, sure me manners were polite
But all the time I’m thinking of me little Armalite.And it’s down in The Bogside that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on my left and another on my right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.Sure a brave RUC man came marching up into our street
Six hundred British soldiers he had lined up at his feet
"Come out, ye cowardly Fenians", said he, "come out and fight".
But he cried, "I’m only joking", when he heard the Armalite.Sure it’s down in Kilwilkie,[a] that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on my left and another on my right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.Sure, the army came to visit me, ’twas in the early hours,
With Saladins and Saracens and Ferret armoured cars
They thought they had me cornered, but I gave them all a fright
With the armour piercing bullets of my little Armalite.And it’s down in the New Lodge that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.When Tuzo came to Belfast, he said, The battle’s won,[b]
Said General Ford, We’re winning sir, we have them on the run.
But corporals and privates on patrol at night,
Said, Send for reinforcements, it’s the bloody Armalite.[c]And it’s down in Crossmaglen, that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
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Because fuck the brits
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Ive got a brand new shiny helmet and a pair of kinky boots
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Because they fight the "establishment"
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Because leftists worship imperialistic globalistic monopoly if everything
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How is that so hard to see, it’s about those who are brave enough to fight (((central banks)))
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Because I will always put my race over ideology, are you scrotebrained?
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Because leftists worship imperialistic globalistic monopoly if everything
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Why would we do that? The Taliban fixed their own country and obviously want to stay there. The only ones that want to flee now are boyfuckers and collaborators.
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the worst part is that you’re not even wrong
what the actual fuck tbh
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For the same reason we lefties worship the same nationalist catholic insurectionist group. IRA is so woke af, it transcends radicalism.
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>Taliban’s have their national state
>means I want them to come here in my country to squat on our lands
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Never heard of ’em.
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>if you like something or someone you have to open your borders
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When you say "right wingers" you’re talking about online roleplayers. It’s basically fandom culture for disaffected young males who need to attach themselves to something transgressive and radical to feel some sort of purpose. The primary right wing voting bloc are generally diehard trump supporting boomers. Most probably don’t care about history outside of the US.
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>leftist
They had a civil war in the 70s and killed off the socialist branch, they were nationalist from then on
>why worship
Americans claim irish ancestry when majority german or English-
>they were nationalist from then on
Civic nationalists.
Anglos out, pakis in.-
>civic nationalists
Yeh deffo not blood and soil
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Why would anyone worship catholic terrorists? It’s a stupid globalist whore of babylon cult.
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An insurgent group declaring itself to be socialist is meaningless. Anyone who has studied the slightest bit of history on insurgencies in Rhodesia, Angola, India, or Burma knows this. During the Cold War, every single national liberation movement declared itself to be socialist. They didn’t know what socialism was, and they didn’t care. They were just looking for support from the USSR.
The IRA wasn’t a progressive group. They didn’t give a shit about scrotes or nonwhites. They were anti-imperialist in that they fought an empire, but that’s like saying that the American founding fathers were anti-imperialist. Sure, but you know that’s dishonest.
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im right-wing as fuck and fuck Irish Republicanism, its a cancer
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>i’m right wing as fuck
Go back to your class
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because they were Nationalist, simple as.
America is an empire too. therefore, White Nationalists are anti-Imperialists
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