Why do humans lose so much stamina as they age?

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    • #73225
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      Can someone explain to me why humans lose so much stamina as they age? We seem to retain strength pretty well, but even at 29 athletes start to fall off in many sports because they can’t keep up anymore. What system in our bodies breaks down so fast?

    • #73226
      Anonymous
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      stress.

    • #73227
      Anonymous
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      I have to be honest, I don’t get the deal with this guy. Even on the left he looks downright weird, somehow. Like I can see that on paper he has everything you’d want in a handsome guy, but somehow when you put it all together it winds up looking almost inhuman.

      • #73228
        Anonymous
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        you’re probably just not gay enough

      • #73247
        Anonymous
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        It’s a bit uncanny, like if someone chose "handsome" face parts but didn’t bother checking if they’d fit together.

      • #73250
        Anonymous
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        • #73251
          Anonymous
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          >Holy cope
          Sorry I’m not a connoisseur on male beauty like you, anon.

      • #73264
        Anonymous
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        cope. he has that face/jaw structure, with the blue eye/black hair combo on top of being 6’3" with a nice body. Any gf you ever had, if this guy wanted, he could swoop in and take her, very quickly.

        • #73271
          Anonymous
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          How freaking gay are you that you post a cuck fantasy in response to an anon saying he just doesn’t get what the big deal is with david gandy?

          • #73279
            Anonymous
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            its not a cuck fantasy…its more like the opposite. im saying that hes coping and that he should stop coping and also stop trusting women because some guy like this can easily take them, no matter how much personality he thinks he has.

            • #73286
              Anonymous
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              >literally fantasizes about attractive men taking and freaking his girlfriend
              just have gay sex already lmao

              • #73289
                Anonymous
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                only if you are my bottom and i get to enter your bussy deep.

        • #73281
          Anonymous
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          Is this intended to be cringe?

      • #73273
        Anonymous
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        I agree he’s good looking but nothing special

      • #73276
        Anonymous
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        For me it’s Justin Trudeau. He’s just got this weird, lumpy looking face. He’s tall and famous and I guess women go for that, but he’s not handsome like the Communists claim. (Compare with e.g. Macron)

        • #73278
          Anonymous
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          >but he’s not handsome like the Communists claim
          because his dad was fidel castro.

        • #73282
          Anonymous
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          Yeah, although he was handsome younger, and he is definitely handsome for his age, and especially by the standards of politicians where they’re all ugly as fuck.

      • #73292
        Anonymous
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        Gandy is handsome (no homo), he literally defines the word, his face is not cute, not good looking, not pretty, not beautiful, not attractive, true handsome men are very rare.

    • #73229
      Anonymous
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      It’s the hormones. Testosterone levels dropping.
      Broscientists have been right way more often than labcoat cucks.

      • #73239
        Anonymous
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        this also. a combination of low dose dhea with growthhormone and metformin will regrow your thymus gland and dhea alone is beneficial in restoring youthful hormones. it is all about hormones

        • #73243
          Anonymous
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          when will you patent and sell this fountain of youth therapy, anon?

          • #73260
            Anonymous
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            google greg fahy about the thymus part

            Can you expand on the amino acids?

            you want to cut down on the sulfur containing amino acids: methionine and cysteine. You also dont want high PTH, so eat more calcium and less phosphorus.

            i am a oldscrote, the people who age the worst are the ones who are really protein deficient, followed by those who eat a diet consisting of pork and grains. PTH is a major stress hormone and causes calcium loss in your bones to maintain CA/P Homeostasis.

            • #73261
              Anonymous
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              >you want to cut down on the sulfur containing amino acids: methionine and cysteine
              What would that look like?

              • #73263
                Anonymous
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                less muscle meat, more gelatinous cuts of meat, gelatine/collagen rich cuts over filet. not eating a shitton of grains together with muscle meats is half of the way.
                i supplement collagen because it is convenient.

                • #73266
                  Anonymous
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                  Is it more about ratios, is that why you supplement? And what would you recommend I look into for continued reading on this topic?

                  • #73267
                    Anonymous
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                    yes it is about the ratios. probably the best to start here https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml
                    but always dyor, check the references, never trust anyone but yourself and your own judgement.

                    from my own observation and seeing what people eat, high amounts of pig meat together with grains are the fastlane to aging quickly.

                    The chinese also obsessa about collagen and gelatin and they oftentimes have very good skin in high age, my grandpa ate a shitton of soup and broth and had good skin in high age. some collagen/gelatin supplements can have high lead content though, always be careful.

                    • #73268
                      Anonymous
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                      You’re the best anon I’ve come across in a long while! Thank you for sharing this unique knowledge.

                      • #73269
                        Anonymous
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                        just make sure to not up the intake all at once, if you start to eat high amounts of gelatin or collagen out of nothing it can constipate you.
                        https://youtu.be/T6NvwqEE8Is?t=6794
                        somewhat relevant.

                      • #73270
                        Anonymous
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                        Very helpful addition as I perused supplements online. Thank you for the link, too, I’ll check it out.

                • #73274
                  Anonymous
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                  What about going plant-woke af, isn’t it better?

                  • #73277
                    Anonymous
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                    So you think all these people are going Gluten free because plant protein is somehow inherently better for people than protein from meat?

                • #73284
                  Anonymous
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                  >i supplement collagen because it is convenient.
                  So you’re supplementing endotoxin?

                  • #73287
                    Anonymous
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                    Basically he’s an idiot. When you ingest something you can make yourself, you have to take it apart, only to reassemble it later.

                    This is part of the reason why vegetarian diets are superior. Less entropy is generated. Less entropy, higher efficiency.

                    This is also probably why vitamins have been shown to be a scam. All supplements are all scams. They are all "convenient". But for the body, they are not convenient. They are dangerous chemicals which require toxic waste handling.

                    The least entropic physiology is one with efficient synthesis capability. This endogenous assembly of amino acids are regulated by efficient pathways. Bolting onto that a secondary pathway that burns energy to break down exogenous amino acids, and excrete surplus deaminated metabolic products requires energy and sacrificed materials manifest in cellular turnover in critical organ systems like Kidneys. We evolved to have to eat pretty dense, shitty foods which might be rotten or infested with mold or just plain tough, so naturally we have two kidneys but that doesn’t mean you can’t overload them.

                    By limiting dietary protein (0.9-1.6g/kg bodyweight long ago found to be ideal) you make endogenous synthesis and liposomal storage and recycling pathways more efficient to hold onto the essential amino acids; dumping excess into the system deprecates those pathways.

            • #73275
              Anonymous
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              >google greg fahy about the thymus part
              I already did. I gotta say you brought in some nice news. Fascinating stuff, especially since invermectin just dampens carb diet effects.

              What about going plant-woke af, isn’t it better?

              lmao no

    • #73230
      Anonymous
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      >even at 29 athletes start to fall off in many sports because they can’t keep up anymore
      this isn’t due so much to the body breaking down at 29 as it is to a 29 year old having to compete with other people at their absolute peaks, where tiny differences make or break top-level competitive sports
      the decline is so small that the average person would barely notice anything, it only makes a difference at the top levels

      • #73232
        Anonymous
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        Thats not true. Forget about athletes for a moment, why do people lose stamina but not physical strength?

        • #73237
          Anonymous
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          nah that isn’t true, your stamina doesn’t decline that much until your mid 30s

      • #73234
        Anonymous
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        racewalkers peak in their 30s
        the absolute pinnacle of sport

      • #73235
        Anonymous
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        This. Mike Tyson could fuck up 99% of guys in their 20s because they’re just regular guys. It’s when you put him against other pros where he would get bonked up.

        People don’t get the disparity between even regular guy vs semi-pro and semi-pro vs pro and then pro vs elite.

        • #73241
          Anonymous
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          while your underlying point is valid, Mike Tyson was more jacked at 13 than most gymgoing adults are, and apparently benched 80 on his very first try
          probably one of the worst choices to make your point even though you’re right, kek

      • #73236
        Anonymous
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        Yeah ok, but WHAT is it?

        It’s the hormones. Testosterone levels dropping.
        Broscientists have been right way more often than labcoat cucks.

        Don’t older athletes, bodybuilders etc. with higher than optimum levels from trt still gas out fairly easily compared to their younger years? I’m in doubt t is the only reason.

        • #73248
          Anonymous
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          It’s not the only reason, but broscientists can only think of one thing at once and that’s the one they focused on.

    • #73231
      Anonymous
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      I like him better on the right tbh

    • #73233
      Anonymous
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      top athletes can go into their late 30s if they are autistic enough
      29 is a decent point to start focussing on our family/life away from sport, especially if you have loads of wonga, or can get a comfy job on some kind of commentry/coaching role

    • #73238
      Anonymous
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      athletes are not healthy and producing lactic acid in high amounts all the freaking time is a good way to induce cellular stress.

      also most people eat the wrong amino acids too much, leading to accelerated aging. and they have too much iron, and they eat fats that easily oxidize

      • #73242
        Anonymous
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        Can you expand on the amino acids?

    • #73240
      Anonymous
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      The strong marathon runners are in their mid 30’s, I don’t think "stamina" is the best word

      Also, the model guy in your pic looks a bit bonked in both, while still good looking in both

    • #73244
      Anonymous
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      >Can someone explain to me why humans lose so much stamina as they age?
      Can you explain to me where you got this idea from?
      >but even at 29 athletes start to fall off in many sports
      because of the stress and damage their body has accumulated over their career. A tennis player or a soccer player is going to not hold back in a important match the way they would during training session and that’s when accidents happen. Do that enough times over your career and no matter how fit you are overall that can severely damage your performance, if, for example you blow out a knee or something or other forms of scar tissue.
      Also ‘grip strength’ only peaks in your 30’s

    • #73245
      Anonymous
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      There are seventy year olds who compete pretty well at marathonrunning

    • #73246
      Anonymous
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      Which sports have the youngest and which the oldest competitors?

      • #73249
        Anonymous
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        >youngest
        League of Legends
        >oldest
        Chess

        • #73256
          Anonymous
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          >sports

          • #73258
            Anonymous
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            Yes?

        • #73265
          Anonymous
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          Chess players peak in their 20s. As you age your working memory goes to shit. Same with mathematicians.

          • #73272
            Anonymous
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            They routinely stay competitive into their 40s. Anand is in his 50s, Karpov is slightly older, and even Kasparov recently showed he’s able to slap the current players around a bit, even though he’s been retired for ages.

    • #73252
      Anonymous
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      Cells degrade over time. Generational loss means loss of efficiency over time.

    • #73253
      Anonymous
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      >using elite level athletes as a reference
      >bodies breaking down at 29
      kek
      scrotebrain.
      Human body doesn’t magically start "breaking down" at 29.
      The main reason athletes start to fall off as they age is because of the accumulation of damage they have taken for years. By the time they are 29 they’ve been playing for probably like 15 years at that point and have put tons of wear on their bodies.
      Also, the average age in NFL, NBA, MLB, and MLS is 26-27 years old. So unless you think there is a massive difference between a 27 year old and a 29 year old, your theory is garbage.

      • #73255
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        >Also, the average age in NFL, NBA, MLB, and MLS is 26-27 years old. So unless you think there is a massive difference between a 27 year old and a 29 year old, your theory is garbage.
        I take sports exactly because some put extreme emphasis on stamina, unlike your shart sports. For some olympic swimmers 29 is when they start dropping off even though they keep accruing experience. Perhaps I should’ve formulated the question as "why do we lose stamina so early", but then I didn’t expect the amount of contrarianism over something that neutral.

        PS you mention NFL in context of endurance when its a bunch of meatsacks taking a breather every 15 miliseconds of actual play. Don’t call other people scrotebrains when you barely scrape by using a pair of errand fat cells lost within the vast emptiness of your cranium to puppet yourself to the toilet and back in front of the screen.

        • #73259
          Anonymous
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          >"why do we lose stamina so early", but then I didn’t expect the amount of contrarianism over something that neutral.
          It’s not contrarianism, you’re just wrong. It’s obviously something other than stamina that causes this.

        • #73262
          Anonymous
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          NTA but where is the data to support this ‘stamina’ dropping at around 29?

    • #73254
      Anonymous
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      It isn’t the body that is often the limiting factor in sport, but actually the brain. Mental acuity starts to drop after hitting your late 20’s; things like hand-eye coordination and mental reflexes start to slow down as a result. That isn’t to say that the body doesn’t start to fail an athlete too, speed in particular; but strength and stamina are actually one the last thing fail an athlete. The last thing to fail them is their power and endurance, and increasingly become a crutch as their careers wind down.

      Ever notice that the best competing chess grandmasters and e-sports pros players are in their 20’s too? Even they will see decline in their 30’s; only the most dominate of them retain top level competitiveness in those ages.

    • #73257
      Anonymous
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      It’s the accumulation of senescent cells

    • #73280
      Anonymous
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      women

    • #73283
      Anonymous
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      you guys don’t understand the most basic tenets of Exercise Physiology

      Stamina is endurance, the limiting factors are mental strength. You can put a person on a treadmill and increase resistance until their fail, and if you take a biopsy of the muscle tissue, you will still find available ATP.

      You will become a miserable fat pile of jelly by middle age not because you don’t understand the cumulative aspect of exponential functions, but because you don’t use your body. Your body has a mind of its own and a certain fate: maximum entropy.

      I can see you have no idea what I’m talking about, and you don’t need to know. You only have to follow the freaking prescriptions: aerobic and resistance exercise, past the point of discomfort, on a regular basis, nearly every day, at least every week.

      Otherwise the entropy from one system will increase entropy in attached systems (as bodies are integrated systems).

      There is no doubt about it, a weak body will eventually weaken the mind; and vice versa.

      • #73288
        Anonymous
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        Woke af thermodynamics anon. Literally this folks.

        • #73291
          Anonymous
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          Just fyi, that guy has no clue of what he’s talking about, but arguing with people using entropy in biology is akin to discussing global politics with pidgeons

          • #73294
            Anonymous
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            >insults
            >no counterargument, "lolz too dumb to even talk about it"
            Sorry, I’d rather trust him.

            • #73295
              Anonymous
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              I don’t care, stay ignorant if you so please.

      • #73290
        Anonymous
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        yeah thats total bull shit. exercising a lot makes you age faster. it basically puts stress on the body.

    • #73285
      Anonymous
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      The rich and powerful, the successful, and everyone, trends toward maximum entropy.

      The more alcohol you drink, the more sugar and fat, the higher the metabolic load. No one is immune; a potato chip is stronger than the mental strength of most people. The fight against entropy is a losing fight in the end, but to stay alive every day requires an imbalance between a conservation of energy and its expenditure, the latter process produces high energy molecular waste that requires energy to neutralize. There is no way to win, but the system can be made more efficient. Unfortunately for you as an individual, this means propping you up just long enough to reproduce. So in general you will tend to conserve energy, hold onto fat, convert muscle to fat, etc., over time, becoming a jelly-like creature which responds primarily to internal signals directing your supposedly "free will" like a marionette while your mind slides into a state of comfortable confusion. This is the pleasant state that exists in the ant trapped in a spider’s web after the spider has injected its brain killing poison anesthetic. Most people are just gasbags walking around, as perfectly predicatable as an automaton. Their brains shortcircuit any higher order mental process like acquiring good knowledge and forming coherent thoughts, both processes which are antagonistic to the dominant processes driving entropy higher. Stupid people tend ot get stupider over time, so less energy is used in the Brain and made available to other organs suchas the Omentum (adipose or fat cells) or organs of elimination such as the liver. In the larger, ecological sense, you are preparing yourself for becoming composted spare parts for other life forms.

      People fail in maintaining health because they overestimate their mental strength and underestimate the forces arrayed against them (marketing and availability of attractive options). To reverse it, its like you have to walk up the down escalator, etc.

    • #73293
      Anonymous
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    • #73296
      Anonymous
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      Nicotinamide adenysene dinucleotide production slows after 25 and starts to degrade you. You can supplement it to slow the process.

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