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Why do commies love the GDR? It was poorer than the west, killed its citizens for trying to escape, and kept a lot of fascist aspects from the Nazis.
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Aesthetics.
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who lol
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>it was poorer than the West
Even the West/CIA didn’t agree with this statement.-
I’m claiming shenanigans, because parity with west germany is simply ludicrous. Outperforming Italy, eh. Actually, isn’t Italy a little high?
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Italy was fine by the late 80s/90s, northern Italy was almost as rich as Germany
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Preposterous. Italy is never fine. It is a swamp in which no sane man would venture.
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Italy in 1991 had the worlds fourth largest economy after U.S, Japan and Germany.
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>GDR outperforming western germany and almost all of western europe
Very subtle tankie lmao -
>Italy lower than the UK in the 1980s
I’m calling bullshit on this whole map. This is exactly when Italy was still doing well and the Warsaw Pact’s economic problems were starting to become a publicly acknowledged and debate topic within their countries-
Hindsight bias, the post. In the 1980s Nobel Prize winning economists were still predicting the USSR’s eclipse of the US economy in the 2000s.
>GDR outperforming western germany and almost all of western europe
Very subtle tankie lmaoThe CIA is the most powerful tankie org on earth. I hear in the depths of Langely they have a secret shrine to Stalin where all the glowies go to pray.
>grug mad because preconceived notions of world challenged by fact… grrr…
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Any scrotebrain can make a meme image and slap
>source: le CIA xD
on it. It seems very implausible and I’m not going to blindly believe some .jpg. I’m going to look it up though.-
The GDP per capita of west Germany was almost twice that of the GDR according to (they even cite the CIA as well, go figure)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_East_Germany>inb4 muh wikipedia
Still more reliable than you meme pichttps://geographic.org/wfb1987/worldfactbook87nati.pdf
>GNP: $174.7 billion, $10,400 per capita;
growth rate 2.4% (1985)
I love how people pretend to be ultra critical skeptics the moment that anything differs from their preconceived notions, hyper-analyzing every little bit as though they aren’t scared 105IQ brainlets whose world is being shattered by one communist country having a strong economy.-
The reason I’m sceptic is because I know people who have lived there and the economy was one of the reasons why the country collapsed. They also recieved financial aid from the west and there was a huge black market for all kinds of products. Add to that the whole turning-your-entire-country-into-a-giant-prison-to-keep-people-from-fleeing-thing and it’s really hard to believe that they were doing BETTER than the west.
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>people are susceptible to propaganda
>sold their nation down the river for some negro music and fizzy corn juice
Shocking.
I think the real tragedy of communism’s fall is what it says about humanity as a whole. People were given peace, prosperity, stability, all the happy trad families they could want… and they still spit at it. They thought homelessness was propaganda to keep them afraid of capitalism, keeping them from their precious consumer goods which would make them *truly* happy. When you look at globohomo hell, remember, this is the future humanity expressly asked for.Tanks are part of GDP. All kinds of stuff which is useless to the average person is part of the Western GDP too. It’s a decent statistic, but not without flaws.
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>It’s a decent statistic, but not without flaws.
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>People were given peace, prosperity, stability, all the happy trad families they could want…
Yeah, as long as they said yes and amen to everything the party did and never asked any critical questions. And if it was all just propaganda, why did they have to build the wall? The people were leaving in droves before it was erected and never looked back. Maybe reality is propaganda as well?
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Even if we take those numbers at face value, the GDR was still a tyrannical shithole that jailed and totured political dissidents, had to build walls and mine fields to keep their own people from leaving and collapsed after less than 5 decades. Not really a win for socialists, is it?
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Great, now your criticizing it woke af on fact. This is a good start. Yes, I think that the efforts that communists had to go through to get people to accept their utopia is pretty damning. People don’t want good things, and this is the world they asked for. I think the communists should have just let people leave, but let them know there’s no hope of them ever coming back. It would be a great eugenic program in the end, the West could have all the scum of the earth and more resources could go towards making healthy, happy generations of model socialists instead of feeding ingrates.
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>It’s not my system that is wrong, it’s those damn humans!
And since when is an authoritarian hellhole a utopia? Don’t socialists usually pretend they care about freedom and democracy?
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Yeah, the average human is scum. Go talk to the average person and disagree if you want, but you’d just be bullying yourself at that point.
>Don’t socialists usually pretend they care about freedom and democracy?
Isn’t that the mistake that led to the fall of communism in Eastern Europe in the first place? They truly believed that the average person wasn’t a shortsighted moron who could be bribed into submission with 99c sucrose water buckets. Ffs, Stalin was willing to hand over East Germany if they allowed the communists to compete in fair elections and ensure Germany’s neutrality lmao. freaking idealist lib.Learn from the past. China sure did.
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Ah yes, the socialist finally reveals his authoritarian, elitist mindset. No surprises here. Thank god you scrotebrains don’t hold any power here.
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>meme buzzwords and protestant social teaching
Is that all you losers ever have? It’s no shock that your cultures lack any concept of shame.
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The GDP per capita of west Germany was almost twice that of the GDR according to (they even cite the CIA as well, go figure)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_East_Germany>inb4 muh wikipedia
Still more reliable than you meme pic-
GDP doesn’t determine prosperity it determines how much of society is subject to the market, free public services don’t increase GDP but privatized equivalents do.
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It’s been a while since my economics class, but if memory serves, GDP is (C + I + G + (EX – IM)), so consumption plus investment plus government spending plus the product of exports -imports is equal to GDP, so the government spending of a nationalised health system like we have in the uk would increase GDP.
The idea of consumption being directly tied to GDP (and by extension prosperity) is obviously pretty bunk on the face of it, but that’s economics for you.
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>I hear in the depths of Langely they have a secret shrine to Stalin where all the glowies go to pray.
Unshocking
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>UK gdp per capita almost the same as the USSR
no wonder glowscrote intelligence is so bad
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>1985
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Why? Do you know what kind of hoops you had to jump through to buy a car or even freaking furniture in the Soviet Union? They were in constant deficit of consumer goods. The only thing they could manufacture well was tanks.
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Have you looked at what UK wages are like?
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>it’s real (aside from Portugal which was edited for memes)
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Generally, intelligence agencies try not to succumb to normie propaganda and biases, or they’d suck at their job. Underestimating (or overestimating) your enemy is a scrotebrained mistake. The CIA has other such classics as the average Soviet eating a better diet than the average American, pretty funny tbh.
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>average Soviet eating a better diet than the average American
Wasn’t that true if you consider sugar and junk food as negatives?
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Actually, Portugal is real, too. Portugal was a real shithole before joining the EU
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it’s not scrotebrain
6K for Portugal, why are you lying-
GDP per capita was $2.7k (can’t find GNP for 1985). I doubt GNP was far off from CIA’s projection.
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Forgot my picture
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You know western academia and intelligence had the remarkable habit of taking the official eastern bloc numbers for real even though they were totally made up?:
http://von-der-lippe.org/dokumente/statistics_gdr.pdf
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The CIA is not to be trusted when providing statistics about the Eastern Bloc. They routinely over estimated capabilities to justify their own budget and general governmental corruption (eg the air force’s budget)
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>being relatively prosperous until adopting free market and then collapse and never recover.
Pizza hut bros, I thought we had an objectively better system…
>b-b-but they are over estimatin-
I think righties seem to forget why they were called the second world.
>my system is better even though it’s built on 300 year old power structures,
nice confirmation bias there free marketards.-
seethe
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Your own graph shows that Western Europe beat Communism – are guys just scrotebrained?
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You got this from /int/.
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Woke af lmao
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From that map alone without checking i can say that it is BS. GNPpc is not even used to measure wealth or income, but borrowing capabilities of the state, it’s called GNI now i believe.
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Somewhere on the CIA page for economic espionage they lay out why they got East Germany’s economic size wrong, woke af on faulty currency conversion numbers
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woke af spreadsheet jockeys
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holy cope
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One of the most frequently cited examples of grossly flawed analysis by CIA concerns an erroneous entry in The World Factbook 1987 that stated that in 1986 West German GDP per capita was $100 lower than that of East Germany. This is cited by critics as demonstrating the extent to which CIA overestimated the strength of the Communist economies and failed to see the deterioration that led to the collapse of the Communist regimes.
While the process that led to this is deserving of criticism and has since been corrected, the published figures were not a reflection of CIA’s analytical judgment of the relative performance and strength of the West German and East German economies. The discrepancy occurred as a consequence of separate analytic divisions using different methodologies to convert GDP into a dollar figure for inclusion in its World Factbook.
The East German analyst, working with an outside contractor hired to devise ways of compensating for the inaccuracies of East German data, used “purchasing power parity ratios” (PPPRs) woke af on UN data to estimate GDP in dollars.
The West German analyst applied the dollar-deutsche mark market exchange rate from 1985 to convert the 1986 West German GDP figure (used also by the OECD) into dollars.
The problem from using two different conversion rates was compounded by the fact that in 1985 the dollar was booming compared to the deutsche mark. Thus, using the market exchange rate between the currencies resulted in a significant underestimation of the West German GDP.
The isolated nature of the error is demonstrated by the fact that, in that same year, the Handbook of Economic Statistics published by the Directorate of Intelligence used a common methodology for converting GDP into dollars, reported 1986 West German per capita GDP as being 32 percent greater than the East German figure: -
Its amazing how commies are now blantantly faking data. You got BTFO’D here:
Reminder that East Germany was so shitty that…
>There was a massive workers protest and uprising against their new soviet overlords which was brutally suppressed (typical communist hypocrisy)
>by 1961 20/TWENTY percent had fled to the west
>The Commies experienced such a drain that they had to build a freaking wall to keep their people
>still people would rather brave that murder gauntlet than live in a communist shithole (most of these were working class btw. Nice utopia scrotes)
>for all the “USA CIA PUPPET!” Shit chudpol says, DDR has no sovereignty and were puppets of Moscow. Their leader even made out with Brezhnev like the good little cuck he is
>being relatively prosperous until adopting free market and then collapse and never recover.
Pizza hut bros, I thought we had an objectively better system…
>b-b-but they are over estimatin-
I think righties seem to forget why they were called the second world.
>my system is better even though it’s built on 300 year old power structures,
nice confirmation bias there free marketards.seethe
While the process that led to this is deserving of criticism and has since been corrected, the published figures were not a reflection of CIA’s analytical judgment of the relative performance and strength of the West German and East German economies. The discrepancy occurred as a consequence of separate analytic divisions using different methodologies to convert GDP into a dollar figure for inclusion in its World Factbook.
The East German analyst, working with an outside contractor hired to devise ways of compensating for the inaccuracies of East German data, used “purchasing power parity ratios” (PPPRs) woke af on UN data to estimate GDP in dollars.
The West German analyst applied the dollar-deutsche mark market exchange rate from 1985 to convert the 1986 West German GDP figure (used also by the OECD) into dollars.
The problem from using two different conversion rates was compounded by the fact that in 1985 the dollar was booming compared to the deutsche mark. Thus, using the market exchange rate between the currencies resulted in a significant underestimation of the West German GDP.
The isolated nature of the error is demonstrated by the fact that, in that same year, the Handbook of Economic Statistics published by the Directorate of Intelligence used a common methodology for converting GDP into dollars, reported 1986 West German per capita GDP as being 32 percent greater than the East German figure:Its amazing how easy you freaking commie scrotebrains make it to debunk you. Its so freaking embrassing.
You scrotes really think you can come here and just lie like this, and get away with it? LULZ will rekt you clowns everytime you spew this freaking non-sense.
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Reminder that East Germany was so shitty that…
>There was a massive workers protest and uprising against their new soviet overlords which was brutally suppressed (typical communist hypocrisy)
>by 1961 20/TWENTY percent had fled to the west
>The Commies experienced such a drain that they had to build a freaking wall to keep their people
>still people would rather brave that murder gauntlet than live in a communist shithole (most of these were working class btw. Nice utopia scrotes)
>for all the “USA CIA PUPPET!” Shit chudpol says, DDR has no sovereignty and were puppets of Moscow. Their leader even made out with Brezhnev like the good little cuck he is
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>righties would risk dying to get some pizza hut because they believe in muh god scrotebraination
being rightwing is a mental illness-
https://leftypol.org
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>Claim that material conditions are all that matters
>Cant even offer better material conditions than capitalism, therefore rendering your entire ideology meaningless
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The fall of the DDR in 1989 directly led to the development of modern, soulless, globohomo Germany. Better to be poor and keep your national identity rather than end up like "Strong United Germany" has in our timeline.
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Anne?
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It’s aight bro
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>dude you should just be poor in an authoritarian shithole because muh national larp
>even if we are also essentially puppets of the Russians
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Leftists are completely scrotebrained.
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It was a bastion of socialism and democracy in the heart of Europe. Where everyone had a job and a home and there was no war.
Unlike West Germany, which is ruled by neonazis to this day, where prostitution, fascism, militarism, drug abuse, exploitation, racism, Zionism, colonial grip on Greece, pornography and bourgeois tyranny rule.-
>Unlike West Germany, which is ruled by neonazis to this day
That’s a weird kind of Neo-Nazism they practice there
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Gladio agents and slave labourers for German capitalists.
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Its capitalistic as fuck sure, but its not Nazi. West German culture is ethnically masochistic to an insane degree.
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The core of nazism was anticommunism, that tradition was continued in the FRG.
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>nazism is when you don’t like communism
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At its core. The war waged against the USSR was unlike any other.
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Germany killed a higher percentage of Poolaks than Russoids, and the Poolaks weren’t Communist. Germany killed so many of them for being Slavic scrotes, not because they agreed to be ruled by gnomish Communists.
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The war against Poland was a conventional one. The war against the Soviets was very different, since all captured communists, political officers and government officials were ordered to be shot and POWs in camps killed en masse.
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All members of the Polish intelligentsia, former government officials, and military officers were ordered executed by the Germans. Everybody except Polish laborers and low ranking soldiers were ordered killed, and sed laborers and low ranking soldiers were corralled into slave labor camps. There was no difference in the treatment of Poland, Yugoslavia, or the Soviet Union, despite Poland’s Catholic Conservatism and Yugoslavia’s Orthodox Monarchism. Brutality against nations was due to the Slavicness of sed nations, not what government they were ruled by. The Czechs, despite the comparative Left Liberalism of their government/society and friendliness to the USSR, were treated far better than Poles or Serbs for the simple fact that they had more Germanic genetic influence than Poles or Serbs. Anti-Communism was simply a justification for the war of the Nazi regime against the Eastern nations for their future plans of Lebensraum. Had the primary goal of the Nazis been Anti-Communism they would simply have established Anti-Communist governments, rather than treat Slavic peoples as subhuman. It also was a ploy by Hitler to retain power in the early years as the majority of the German population was heavily Anti-Communist.
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tbh a lot of it comes from the fact that it represents a communist triumph over fascism
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Because they don’t actually give a damn about people’s quality of life, they’re religious fanatics obsessed with their pipedream of utopia.
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It’s just Rhodesia for tankies
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They had cool music.
https://youtu.be/rrWH5ktKdgs-
lol ‘fartburg’
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>they
this is a swede commie LARPer band from the late 90s
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Why?
Quite simple. Germans were the most militant and organized, and had the best scientists, engineers, etc Prussians lived that way long before.
This made it naturally the most advanced part of the Soviet Union.
Basicly the Germans were the best anti communists and the best communists.
They were just the best.The USA likewise benefited from a huge german population that made up its largest ethnic group from the 1800s on until they merely became ‘white’.
Germanics are more advanced than slavs.
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Because commies don’t think, and they don’t want to think.
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