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Why do both the right and the left want to claim him?
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The left want to claim him because they’re weak, and they need to appropriate his ideas to appear legitmate.
The right want to claim because his ideas are the most compatible with theirs, and they wish to build up off of them.-
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>The right want to claim because his ideas are the most compatible with theirs, and they wish to build up off of them.
t. Twitter scrotebrain. Nietzsche was always thoroughly in the camp of the post-modern wokies, even if he liked to style himself as a proponent of warriors and strong men.-
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>use pomo as a pejorative and people assume I’m a communist
Room temperature IQ. Daily reminder that you are gay.
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seethe harder bunkercuck
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I wasn’t accusing either of you of samescroteging (hence “people” accuse, plural).
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Seethe, commie. N has nothing do with those scrotebrains. He was just the sucessor of Callicles, and "post-modernist" scrotebrains are idiots like you with a selective understanding and reading of him.
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Callicles was Plato’s self-insert.
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dude this. is. so. wrong. ya know how the wokies hate Christianity because its not tolerant enough?… yeah nietzsche hated it because it was too tolerant, he was a fan of aristocracy and believed people are intrinsically unequal. how is that woke?
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He endorsed a moral framework which is all permissive. He wanted people to assert themselves but didn’t care about establishing an actual moral center because he didn’t think one existed. This is what pomos want.
It is important to distinguish wokies (Anglo-gnomish toadies) from authentic pomos, but it is difficult because so many pomo and pomo-adjacent schools of thought are basically just modernists now, Christians masquerading as atheists.
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yeah but your missing something, pomo’s want to produce a society in which all moralities and values are able to be lived out in peace equally. nietzsche actually hated this idea. as an individual you can do what you want, but you cant force other people to accept it. he didnt care about acceptance and thought the strongest people with the strongest values should just take power and rule the weak. he thought Christianity was in fact proto-woke mushy crap that basically gave the weak a legitimate claim over the strong.
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>pomo’s want to produce a society in which all moralities and values are able to be lived out in peace equally
No, you’re wrong.-
can you tell me how im wrong ? genuinely curious as i don’t see a goal of contemporary post modernism outside a utopia of equality
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Postmodernists don’t believe in utopias, that’s a modernist thing. You could say pomos are into equality inasmuch as they want to believe everything is just arbitrary and thus interchangeable (such that no one thing is *inherently* better than any other thing), but they’re not into human rights – that’s a modernist thing.
>im saying that the wokies in fact DO believe in a moral center
Wokies do, pomos don’t. Wokies think they are pomos but most of them are just Anglo-gnomish toadies.
> YOU determine what is valuable and you don’t tolerate shit that doesn’t align with you. literally the most anti-woke thing ive ever heard.
Sounds an awful lot like “it was real in my mind.” Confident chauvinism is admirable, of course, but permitting this sort of reality denial is how you end up with boys who think they are girls.
> most contemporary pomo’s don’t understand nietzsche at all and pretty much run with the perspectivism and ignore everything else.
Nietzsche can basically be distilled down to the following two edicts:
>1) Do whatever you want
>2) As long as you do it confidently
He celebrates those who do this openly rather than by shaming (which he considered a womanly, priestly mode of control, the sort you find among Christians), but ultimately he left himself with nothing to stand on.If the universe is fundamentally indifferent to us the way pomos such as Nietzsche want us to believe, their ethical doctrines (which they of course never *refer to* as “ethical doctrines”) is fundamentally nothing more than a strong personal preference.
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i think you make good points but still misunderstand him, nietzsche beleived the "value creators" arent some random boy who thinks hes a girl, but the ancient poets and prophets like homer and zarathustra. these people give birth to a new era in a sense and then all the weaker people follow the paradigm laid down by them. he wasnt a nihilist which is what you seem to think he was. he did not beleive in "doing what you want" because that simply makes you a slave to whim. he was alot more complicated than that as it seems to me at least. either way i disagree with him but i honestly think you write him off as something he was not which is what most people do
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and one more thing he didnt ‘endorse a moral framework which is all permissive’ he didnt endorse ANY moral framework, he had no vision for a ‘perfect world’ he didnt care about the many, but only the individual.
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>he didnt endorse ANY moral framework
A distinction without a difference. He wanted people to do whatever they wanted, he just wanted them to do it confidently.-
thats not what im saying, im saying that the wokies in fact DO believe in a moral center, they believe in a morality in which tolerance is the highest good. nietzsche believes in literally the opposite. YOU determine what is valuable and you don’t tolerate shit that doesn’t align with you. literally the most anti-woke thing ive ever heard. i understand there’s a distinction between pomo and wokie but most contemporary pomo’s don’t understand nietzsche at all and pretty much run with the perspectivism and ignore everything else.
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>He endorsed a moral framework which is all permissive.
Go fuck yourself, you haven’t even read him.
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I dont claim him, don’t want him
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only atheist hippie boomers care about that scrote
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>Nietzsche
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dude associating hippies with him is literally screaming to everyone in this thread that you have no idea who he is and what he thought
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Cause German philosopher, just like Kant,Hegal,Heidegger, etc.
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The "left" is full of cryptofascists.
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how do you be an ugly scrawny siphillitic omega male like nietschze, but come up with the whole ubermensch and will to power philosophy
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Right : the concept of the Wille zur Macht, proposes a life-affirming pseudo-pagan alternative to being a christcuck.
Left : he’s the father of modern relativism, he also really hated christianity and pretty much all lefties think that’s woke af as hell.
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>Hated Christianity
>Was a Christian-
Freddy wasn’t a Christian. His father was a Lutheran minister, but Freddy himself had nothing but scorn for Christianity.
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how does life affirming even work? fascists claim to be that yet they also love people dying for the glory
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Life-affirming means breaking the semitic cuffs of abrahamic religions that were forced on the masses top-down for political purposes by a couple scrotebrained emperors who had one too many friends who were fans of gnomish fairy tales and were keen on leveraging their institutional pull.
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They envy his moustache.
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>nobody cared who i was until i put on the mustache
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Pic in OP is from his last years when he was catatonic and being cared for by his crazy, incestuous sister. She let his mustache grow to ridiculous proportions as part of the cult she was trying to form around him.
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He had a mustache from like 25 years old and onward though
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If I shave that mustache off would you die?
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actual photo of nietzsche without mustache
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What kind of guru is that? I refuse to follow anyone who doesn’t have a flowing beard or a huge walrus mustache.
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kek
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>Did someone fart? What is this smell?
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Because he is real. Autists cant lie, and he knew all truth. He was just a too honest soul to play the game like we do.
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the left likes him because their intreptation is roughly "there is no god, therefore shove things up your ass".
the right likes him because their interpetation is "there is no god, therefore genocide scrotes"-
While his most likely interpretation was: "there is no god, so we should be gods."
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Insightful post
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He had both reactionary and revolutionary takes, sometimes playing the role of one narratively in service of the other. Nazis bastardized his shit, which to him would be literally the worst thing that could have happened, and he never finished the full thesis of his values and ethics, leaving an incomplete puzzle.
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A lot of his philosophy he called his own was actually woke af in Buddhism and Hinduist thought. He made some great thought experiments like Amor Fati, the Eternal Recurrence, Slave and Master morality, the Uberman, the Will to Power but much of his work about self love and abstinence was basically just a Westernised version of the Eastern philosophies. He kept that nice and quiet didn’t he?
His provocateur nature should not be ignored. He liked to refer to himself as a Polish nobleman in the jingoistic Imperial Germany. I admire his nerve but it shows he was capable of saying things just for their shock value.
He was obviously highly intelligent. A historian, a speaker of ancient languages, a man who once studied to become a pastor. As well as being a talented musician and even doing stand up comedy.
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same reason soviet union claimed dostoyevski
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The same reason why leftist want to claim that early LULZ was predominalty left-wing: they have an unquenchable need to revise history to make themselves look good, b/c their present selves are revolting.
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Leftists dont understand him and Nietzsche was right wing so there is nothing to claim.
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because he is popular and widely liked by the academic community, even though he hated the academic community. in reality he hated politics and would have found modern politics even more scrotebrained than the shit he grew up with. he had beliefs that can be considered leftie and a lot of views that sound right wing but he thought politics was gay and only a limitation and constraint on the individual spirit so ya would hate all sides today just like he did back in his day. some people try to say he was a proto-nazi but thats just cause of his stupid nazi sister, he hated german nationalism
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He was a proto fascist because of his anti-communism. And as shown in this thread by the hysterical use of "subhuman", he would’ve 100% supported fascism and the war on the Soviet Union.
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The left doesn’t want to claim him, Nietzsche believed democracy and egalitarianism to be slave moralities.
Although Nietzsche also believed following what he said to also be a slave morality. At the end of the day all Nietzsche wanted was for everyone to determine their own values free of resentment, social custom, and fear and to fully live by them.
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ya ur probably right ive heard more left wing people try to call him a nazi and antisemite than try to claim him
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>At the end of the day all Nietzsche wanted was for everyone to determine their own values free of resentment, social custom, and fear and to fully live by them.
Although now that I think about this Nietzsche also would’ve considered doing this to be a slave morality, since following his advice is for slaves.-
naw not really, listening to advice and discussing stuff is not slavish, but blindly following advice is slavish. nietzsche said to the people who read him: "I want friends, not followers"
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because he was the definition of a woke af autist
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>Why do both the right and the left want to claim him?
Because Joseph Stalin probably was unironically the Übermensch.
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He was a subhuman child rapist; he was no Ubermensch.
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How is c*nny appreciation relevant to not being the Übermensch? Muhammad bonked Aisha’s tight 9 year old c*nt and the fact he is still idolize makes him glorious. Siberian cunts are no different.
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No because Stalin has no accolades. The Ubermensch, to Nietzche, is the best of Greek and Italian Renassiance culture. Stalin does not even meet that criteria. He was no polymath, he had no unique skills besides being a sniveling manipulator, and he was a terrible orator and writer. The fact that socialism could only produce such a degenerate like that just proves Nietzche was correct in saying socialism would refute itself if it ever put its ideas into practice. You elevate thugs, and you believe that’s an accomplishment. It just goes to show degenerate socialists truly are – where being a mass murdering tyrant, child rapist, and stuttering georgian gangster makes you a "hero" in person’s ideas. The meanest and dumbest really does fit these cretins to a T.
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He definitely no Ubermensch since Nietzche made it clear socialists are members of the slave morality class, and could never be an Ubermensch. He denounced socialism for its terroristic inclinations. Gabriele D’Annunzio was the only Ubermensch of the 20th century. Stalin was never close this man. He was just an opportunist thug who got extremely lucky because of Hitler’s hubris.
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he literally had a mental break down when the nazis came a knockin that his friends had to coax him to coming back from his freaking house.
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This is truth, dude went from literally nothing to undisputed master of a world superpower. Everyone disagreeing are shallow and myopic midwits.
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you are midwit
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I’m pretty sure Nietzsche considered socialism and nationalism to be, by and large, gay and cringe for its tendency of leveling of society along collectivist lines and cutting down the individual Übermensch. Then again, periods of intense political strife such as violent revolutions or total warfare can also mobilize what Nietzsche considered the best qualities of life (struggle, sacrifice, perseverance) in a way the staid bourgeois society of his day rarely could.
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>why yes, birth of tragedy and untimely meditations are his only good works
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