Why didn’t America ever have to deal with armed insurrection by Catholics?

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    • #75960
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      Why didn’t America ever have to deal with armed insurrection by Catholics? There’s been no shortage of guns in America, and the Catholic Church considers the American Constitution to be heresy, so why didn’t they ever try to violently overthrow the government and implement a confessional state?

    • #75961
      Anonymous
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      Influential Catholics in America were de-fanged by glowdiverse folk a long time ago. All that’s left are beaners and plastic paddies and their great grandmothers.

    • #75962
      Anonymous
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      Joe Biden is gonna do it. Wait.

    • #75963
      Anonymous
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      >heresy
      explain
      Catholics were completely fine running big city political machines chicago (daley) new york (tammany hall) and others. plus they were often divided by culture, Irish, Italians, Poles, Germans. inhibited unity

      • #75964
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        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(heresy)
        "Americanism", or in other words classical liberalism with separation of Church and state and freedom of speech, is considered by the Catholic Church to be heretical. The Catholic Church believes that America should be a confessional state (preferably a monarchy) that censors and persecutes heresy.

        • #75965
          Anonymous
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          Well it helps that white Americans tend to be descendants of Protestant English/Anglo-Saxons for the majority of them and don’t give a shit about Catholic idolatry.

        • #75966
          Anonymous
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          source this claim. I haven’t seen this in my catechism

          • #75967
            Anonymous
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            >https://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm
            >https://www.vatican.va/archive/ass/documents/ASS-31-1898-99-ocr.pdf
            >James Hennessy, S.J., American Catholics: A history of the Roman Catholic community in the United States (1981) pp 194-203
            >Thomas E. Woods, The church confronts modernity (2007) p. 179
            >Flinn and Melton, Encyclopedia of Catholicism (2007) p. 19
            >Gerald P. Fogarty, The Vatican and the American hierarchy from 1870 to 1965 (1985) p 177

            >In 1898, Leo lamented for America where church and state are "dissevered and divorced", and wrote of his preference for a closer relationship between the Catholic Church and the State, along European lines.[11]
            >Finally, in his letter Testem benevolentiae nostrae (January 22, 1899; "Witness to Our Benevolence") addressed to Cardinal James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Leo condemned other forms of Americanism. Catholicism had long allowed nations to tolerate other religions, but the Church believes that the Catholic Faith must be favored when possible.
            >The Pope derided the idea that all opinions should be aired publicly, as he felt certain speech could harm general morality. He also condemned the biography of Hecker and Americanism.

        • #75968
          Anonymous
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          this is out right wrong. opened the catechism here. the system we have is fine, but only for a moral people. although the outcome is degenerate it is not because of the system itself, but is an expression of the decaying moral fiber of the population

          • #75969
            Anonymous
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            The Catholic Church may have changed its opinion on the matter, given that they won’t even excommunicate President Biden for enabling mass murder.

            • #75972
              Anonymous
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              >congress is 30% Catholic, including house speaker
              >supreme court is 6 (maybe 7) ninths Catholic
              >president is Catholic
              why would Catholics overthrow themselves? they’ve got more influence than any other religious group.

              what would happen if they did? It’d be a huge international incident. They’d also have to excommunicate every catholic lawmaker who has upheld abortion. Under canon law, only those who actually perform an abortion are automatically excommunicated.
              List of ways to be excommunicated:
              1. Perform an abortion
              2. Profess Communism
              >Clergy only:
              3. Refuse to recognize the current pope
              4. Try to ordain someone without permission (women, bishops, women bishops, etc.)
              5. Break the seal of confessional
              6. Break holy vows
              7. Enter politics

              • #75973
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                >They’d also have to excommunicate every catholic lawmaker who has upheld abortion.
                …and? Right now the Catholic Church has the presidency and the majority of the supreme court in the United States. By every metric they possess all the power they need to ban abortion and homosexuality in the United States, but they choose not to, and for what? To avoid an "international incident"? The Catholic Church is afraid to stand against immorality because it’d rock the boat too much?

                • #75974
                  Anonymous
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                  I’m not saying they shouldn’t, but I’m curious about what the repercussions would be. While there is a unanimous agreement within the clergy that abortion and homosexuality are anathema, most US Catholic laity fail to follow the church on what they see as a political issue rather than a moral one. Its a shame they’ve been so misled, but how could they accept a mass excommunication as anything but a political move when they’ve been told their whole lives that the Church and Politics are supposed to be separate?

                  • #75976
                    Anonymous
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                    So the Catholic Church allows the laity to determine what issues it makes moral stands on? How is it any better than a Protestant church then?

                    • #75985
                      Anonymous
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                      technically, being an accomplice to an action that results in automatic excommunication is also grounds for an automatic excommunication. "Accomplice" in this case meaning that the person was directly needed to perform the aforementioned action. If a lawmaker’s actions can be interpreted to mean they were directly responsible for the action, then they would be excommunicated. (automatic excommunications are not always known to the public, you can be excommunicated without judicial review)
                      More importantly, you have to be aware that your action is a violation of law.
                      >No one is automatically excommunicated for any offense if, without any fault of his own, he was unaware that he was violating a law (CIC 1323:2) or that a penalty was attached to the law (CIC 1324:1:9).
                      >The same applies if one was a minor, had the imperfect use of reason, was forced through grave or relatively grave fear, was forced through serious inconvenience, or in certain other circumstances (CIC 1324).[20]
                      Given that the president and other catholic lawmakers are aware that supporting access to abortion makes them an accomplice, and that abortion is an excommunicable offense, they have ALREADY been excommunicated.

                      If the Pope disagrees with me he’s free to prove it by excommunicating President Biden. Actions speak louder than words after all.

                      The authority to excommunicate is held by not just the Pope, the local Bishop could do it too. Its just been so long since the church excommunicated a monarch/president, I can’t imagine it would go over well.

                      • #75988
                        Anonymous
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                        >Given that the president and other catholic lawmakers are aware that supporting access to abortion makes them an accomplice, and that abortion is an excommunicable offense, they have ALREADY been excommunicated.
                        So then why hasn’t Biden’s bishop been excommunicated for allowing him to participate in communion? He’s facilitating murder too by allowing Biden to think he’s still in the Catholic Church and not damned to Hell unless he stops.

                      • #76016
                        Anonymous
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                        The obligation to not take communion falls on the person who has been excommunicated. The pastor is obligated to instruct the person in question of their eucharistic coherence. The Bishop is the person responsible for the decision whether or not to interdict someone if that person is a politician. The Pope is not involved.
                        In Biden’s case, he has already been refused eucharist once. In 2019 when he attended mass in South Carolina. Assuming Biden’s current pastor has instructed him to not receive communion without absolution, he might already not be taking it. If his pastor has not done this, then the local Bishop might not have chosen to interdict him. The Bishop has not violated any canon law by not interdicting him. It’s the Bishop’s authority.

                  • #76023
                    Anonymous
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                    the church can’t do something God told them too because humans might get upset… right

          • #75970
            Anonymous
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            see catholic church 1897-1917. yes Biden should be publicly excommunicated. everyday the sedes are making more and more sense. need a new counter reformation

        • #75975
          Anonymous
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          no sh*d because protestants were the ones who created secularism in the first place

    • #75971
      Anonymous
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      Immigrants to a protestant-majority country are grateful for the opportunity it gave them and don’t actually want to overthrow the government and establish a theocracy, however much the church seethes about it.

    • #75977
      Anonymous
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      Catholics already won and their gains will only grow. Waspcucks are dead or in hiding, decimated by Catholics and garden gnomes. Forced to swear fealty in exchange for their larp containment zones and social circles to be maintained. Protestants if they survive will only survive among converted south americans and aging black boomers

      • #75978
        Anonymous
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        Bro your Catholic president is suing Texas because their abortion laws are too restrictive lmao

        • #75980
          Anonymous
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          Yes, and? The Catholic Church doesn’t care about abortion.

          • #75981
            Anonymous
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            I’m not entirely sure the Pope would agree with you there

            • #75984
              Anonymous
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              If the Pope disagrees with me he’s free to prove it by excommunicating President Biden. Actions speak louder than words after all.

        • #75982
          Anonymous
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          Little micro culture war issues like this are irrelevant to big picture cultural changes. Abortion in Catholicism has a long history regardless and it was never as cut and dry as it was in some protestant cultures.

          >Catholics already won and their gains will only grow.
          The fuck are you talking about? Catholics are being replaced by Evangelicals, the border-hopping Mexicans are hopping on the Evangelical bandwagon in droves

          Evangelical conversions are completely overstated and exaggerated

          • #75986
            Anonymous
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            >Evangelical conversions are completely overstated and exaggerated
            that’s a cope

          • #75987
            Anonymous
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            >Little micro culture war issues like this are irrelevant to big picture cultural changes
            lol, imagine telling an American bishop in the ’50s that abortion and gay marriage were just "micro culture war issues" and that the REAL victory of the Church would be…what, ~5 million more Americans calling themselves Catholic?

            • #75991
              Anonymous
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              Imagine telling a bishop in the 1850s that submitting to the authority of secular republics was a micro issue ect. ect.I
              Your brain is full of memes

              • #75999
                Anonymous
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                So what are these "big picture cultural changes" that are worth American Catholics generally ceding opposition to secular progressive positions on abortion, gay marriage etc?

      • #75979
        Anonymous
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        >Catholics already won and their gains will only grow.
        The fuck are you talking about? Catholics are being replaced by Evangelicals, the border-hopping Mexicans are hopping on the Evangelical bandwagon in droves

    • #75983
      Anonymous
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      They did. During the Civil War, a predominantly Irish Catholic mob revolted against the draft in New York. The riot was only put down when the Union Navy bombarded the city with artillery.

    • #75989
      Anonymous
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      Please tell what "big picture cultural changes" are more important than the majority of American Catholics having views on abortion and gay marriage in line with the average Mainline Protestant denomination

      • #75993
        Anonymous
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        Mass immigration

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        Anonymous
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        • #76001
          Anonymous
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          Ah yes, it’s all 3-D chess, I’m sure the political power of the Catholic Church in the US is even stronger now than it was in the ’50s – I mean, not strong enough to force a Catholic president to oppose abortion or anything like that, just, y’know, strong in other ways

          • #76002
            Anonymous
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            Religion is down everywhere all over the world for every single faith. Attributing it to a specific catholic issue is retarded

            • #76022
              Anonymous
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              Well, no, I just wanted to know how "Catholics won" and what "growing gains" they achieved, given that even with decades of Latin American mass migration to the US membership in the Church has fallen

          • #76003
            Anonymous
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            What makes you think the Catholic Church cares about making Biden oppose abortion? Especially when they benefit so much from his other policies such as supporting immigration?

            • #76020
              Anonymous
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              Most of those immigrants either leave the Church or convert to evangelical sects, I don’t think relying on the assumption that there’ll be an endless supply of hispanics to replace the ones you lose to secular progressivism or Pastor Juan is a viable strategy for the Catholic Church

              • #76021
                Anonymous
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                Eh, Catholicism and Evangelicalism are the only major religions in America that have managed to somewhat stem the tide of the decrease of religiosity. Without that immigration they’d both be much worse off.

    • #75997
      Anonymous
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      It’s very simple for you retards who do not understand the constitution.

      When there is no mass consensus, it becomes a political issue not a "overthrow tyranny" issue. Most Catholics in the united states simply do not give a shit about the constitution being heresy.

    • #76004
      Anonymous
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      The premise of American life is supposed to be freedom of religion

      • #76008
        Anonymous
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        Why would Catholics want freedom of religion?

        • #76010
          Anonymous
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          It doesn’t matter what Catholics want. If you move to the US you are living there under the agreement that every citizen has a right to their own beliefs. I’m amazed that I even have to answer this question

          • #76012
            Anonymous
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            Sure, but you could still attempt to sabotage the nation from within.

            • #76014
              Anonymous
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              You’d be committing treason and you’d be rightfully destroyed for it.

    • #76006
      Anonymous
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      We did. Picrel, and already discussed are the draft-riots in NYC.
      Didn’t work out too great for us.

    • #76018
      Anonymous
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      The most devout catholics I have met in the usa are arabs lmfao

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