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    • #123650
      Anonymous
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      Why did Spanish and Portuguese colonization take such a different path to English?

    • #123651
      Anonymous
      Guest

      non-whites mixing is pretty common so the spanish/portuguese method is understandable

      • #123652
        Anonymous
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        Could this be because the reconquista just finished and this idea of pure blood wasnt as strong like in England (even though some claim racism began in Spain)

        • #123654
          Anonymous
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          Race was less of a strong concept on the 1500’s and 1600’s. It didn’t become of prominent to the point of a one drop rule existing in the 1600’s. The Portuguese Empire I know was a bit less racist in the 1800’s than other European Empire’s because they knew they had some black and North African blood.

          • #123655
            Anonymous
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            Even if Iberians had some NA, wouldnt they still see themselves as Iberian and preserve that even if they didnt see themselves as white in the sense we use today (this idea of white doesnt exist in Europe still while local nationalism does)

            I guess my question is, why didnt they care more for their own iberian specific blood?

            • #123657
              Anonymous
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              They did care for it, the had a caste system in that put whites and European born whites on top. For the Spanish they conquered vast numbers of Indios and mixed with them as a means of assimilating them. Spain sent over it’s single lonely poor men to get a harem of Indo girls. They also allowed them to help push Catholicism on the Indians. The English on the other hand where dealing with very small native populations that were hunter gatherers and hard to assimilate. And again I think religiously they didn’t care to convert them. Puritans pilgrims believed in predetermination so those Indians were going to hell anyway. Virgin was more of a money making enterprise than a religious one, so Anglicans may have felt some duty to convert but less than Catholics and they mostly just wanted to make money in a mercenary fashion.

              • #123659
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Virginia*

              • #123665
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Did Virginias settlers know they were settling a new country or were they under the impression they were there for a job? It would explain why they brought slaves if they didnt think theyd have to live by them

            • #123666
              Anonymous
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              NA 2000 years ago was white.

              They are now quadroons after islam enslaved blacks from 1000
              to 1400.

              Could this be because the reconquista just finished and this idea of pure blood wasnt as strong like in England (even though some claim racism began in Spain)

              Spain invented blue blood checks, Inquisition, racial purity laws, castellano
              viejo vs nuevo.
              Spain mix because lack of women

              • #123668
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Imaging an unmixed Mexico right now

                …VGH

                • #123673
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Unmixed Mexico would not be Mexico. Also, Juan Jose Padilla is very popular in Mexico and he seems to like it too.

                  • #123674
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Yeah cowboy culture and traditional spanish attire is popular in Mexico, although its better in Spain

                    • #123676
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      I do like Spain. People are friendly, and the racism problem against Latin-Americans isn’t really there anymore. It’s very nice to visit the country that started it all. It’s also evidence that white people can cook well. It’s just anglos that suck.

                      • #123678
                        Anonymous
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                        My Latin American friend visited Spain and the airport security guard told him that European Spaniards are more evolved than him because he was Indio.

                      • #123679
                        Anonymous
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                        yeah?

                      • #123685
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        actually laughed at this

                      • #123688
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >90 IQ taxi driver DESTROYS 120 IQ midwit with FACTS and LOGIC

                      • #123735
                        Anonymous
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                        Holy woke af

                      • #123681
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        That’s extremely sad. Then again, your friend is traveling the world and that freaking guy was working as a security guard. Argentina is also top-tier, as well as Colombia (if a bit dangerous).

                      • #123684
                        Anonymous
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                        Ya I assume the security guard was a loser. My friend was also pretty gay, skinny brown kid that was always whining about shit. His Parents were illegal immigrants to America.

                      • #123689
                        Anonymous
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                        Kek. I can almost picture the face he made because I know someone just like that.

                      • #123693
                        Anonymous
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                        I might sound like a LULZ schizo for this, but I genuinely believe people that encounter racists deserve it and attract them in some karmic loa type of way. It has never been a problem for me

                      • #123695
                        Anonymous
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                        I’ve never had anyone be racist toward myself, but have had people say shit about other people assuming that I’d agree with them. I think I look like a racist.

                      • #123696
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Which race are you?

                      • #123697
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Mexican mestizo

                      • #123698
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I am racist so i dont care if they come to me, if anything where I live at least its a sign of mutual ideals

                      • #123699
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Which race are you?

                      • #123700
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        White Canadian although I have Polish ancestry too

                      • #123702
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Pollska SZABLA CURWA

                      • #123726
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        So you’re saying the genocide of europeans by racist antiwhites is karmic justice?

                      • #123690
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I suppose the racism is a product of colonialism, I was in New Zealand and with a local who figured out I was of Irish ancestry and told be he was of Scottish ancestry and the Scottish were racially superior to the Irish. So I think a similar sort of situation.

                      • #123691
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Racism is a product of experiencing shitskins
                        Friendly reminder they’ve found the genes for high intelligence and blacks and browns don’t have them

                      • #123692
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        That’s such a weird thing to even bring up. Hope the guy takes his meds.

                      • #123694
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        It was in the context of a conversation we were having, still he was a deeply racist guy. Not sure if he was serious or is was some kind of misguided joke. Kind of a schrodinger’s douchebag situation.

                      • #123682
                        Anonymous
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                      • #123746
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Things that never happened

                      • #123789
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        well you can be latin american and pure white or mixed

                      • #123680
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Racism isn’t a problem shitskin

                      • #123683
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        3edgy5me

                      • #123686
                        Anonymous
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                        […]

                      • #123687
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        yikes anon

                      • #123798
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        actual redditor

                      • #123830
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        > brainwashed on BBC

                      • #123765
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        That’s not what the non incel majority says.

                      • #123820
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Man, whoever says that white people can’t cook really are scrotebrains.
                        I agree that Spanish cuisine is good, but they’re only the third best after Italian and French, really says a lot about how good Europeans are at cooking.

                      • #123821
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >I rate Med cooking to be the best!
                        >Really says a lot about how good Europeans are at cooking
                        Bored?

                    • #123764
                      Anonymous
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                      Here’s the difference, natives living in land controlled by the Spanish Crown were considered subjects of the king. They weren’t slaves, they were medieval serfs, which still isn’t great but it’s a hell of a lot better.

                      >Yeah cowboy culture
                      >popular in Mexico
                      It should be, they invented it

                • #123766
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Mexicans don’t really give a shit, as long as you’re not black. There’s a reason they don’t really keep demographic data on how white/mestizo the population is, it doesn’t really matter, all that matter is how black the country isn’t.

                  • #123770
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >There’s a reason they don’t really keep demographic data on how white/mestizo the population is
                    and that reason is wholly unrelated to public opinion

                    • #123771
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      What do you think is going to happen, everyone in Mexico is going to "wake up" and realize the country is mixed-race at this point except the super-elite? Yeah no shit, they kinda already know that.

                      • #123773
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I’m not the guy you were talking to before. I’m just saying the Mexican government not keeping publicly available data on the ethnic/racial makeup of the country is in no way related to what the plebs think. I’m halfway convinced they’re trying to obfuscate their demographics so they can continue exporting their predominantly mestizo underclass to murica without mass political backlash.

                      • #123799
                        Anonymous
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                        You don’t need to hide demographic data to do that, and you don’t even need to make them go, they go on their own because there’s no jobs here.

                  • #123774
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    also why there is literally no hostility towards Mexicans in the US in the way there is about blacks. So many small towns are like 12% mexican and you wouldnt notice. Simple farmers, America doesnt even use them in movies despite being a bigger demographic than blacks

                    • #123776
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >also why there is literally no hostility towards Mexicans in the US in the way there is about blacks.
                      Because whites arbitrarily decided that being black meant being anathema, then spread their opinions out from that postulate, and used that dynamic to define their interactions with other races.

                      • #123777
                        Anonymous
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                        >arbitrarily

                        […]

                      • #123778
                        Anonymous
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                        >The people in question are black from head to foot; and their nose is so squashed that it is almost impossible to feel sorry for them.
                        >The mind will simply not accept the idea that God, who is a very wise being, would have put a soul, especially a good soul, into a completely black body.
                        >It is so natural to think that colour is the essence of humanity, that the peoples of Asia, who make people into eunuchs, continue to deprive blacks of what they have in common with us in an even more extreme way.
                        >You can tell skin colour from hair colour, and hair was so important to the Egyptians that they killed all redheads who fell into their hands, and the Egyptians were the best philosophers in the world.
                        >The fact that negroes value glass necklaces more highly than gold ones, which are worth so much more in civilised countries, just goes to show that they have no common sense.
                        >It is impossible to believe that these people are human beings, for, if we did believe them to be human beings, we would have to wonder whether we ourselves are Christians.
                        >Small minds exaggerate the injustice done to the Africans. For if it was as bad as they would have us believe, would it not have crossed the minds of the Princes of Europe, who together make so many pointless treatises, to have drawn up a general convention to promote compassion and mercy?
                        Yes, arbitrarily.

                      • #123779
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I agree!

                    • #123795
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      because mexicans don’t cause as many problems as blacks? isn’t that obvious?

              • #123719
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Man, look at all those dark-skinned moors…. Ugh, Rahowa Now.

              • #123782
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >castellano viejo vs nuevo
                it’s old chrsitian vs new christian, something to discriminate the conversos and marranos on the basis of religion, and they used the surnames, not the race
                >blue blood checks
                only mentioned by the visigothic nobility during the reconquista to differenciate themselves to the berber soldiers despite the fact that the islamic leadership were even whiter, it plainly wasn’t a common thing, common spaniards were always swarthy
                >racial purity laws
                there are no codified racial purity laws that i know of

          • #123720
            Anonymous
            Guest

            lmao no, racial thinking was actually stronger in Iberia, very strong it was even the entire basis of the black slavery idea which came from Arab-gnomish culture.

            • #123724
              Anonymous
              Guest

              isnt it worse to come to racism independently though? If Iberians didnt get it from Muslims, then they just didnt like black people like the Muslims, and literally every other nation. Thus her argument that being anti-black is a thing people are thought dies

          • #123721
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Portuguese are literally 0% black

            • #123744
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >10% North African though, >5% from MAR_Taforalt + >5% TUR__Barcin from North Moroccans.

              • #123748
                Anonymous
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                Barcin is as generically European as you can get it’s all over even the Nordic countries.

                >Med civilization
                This is correct.

                How does he cope with Lebanese having no genetic overlap whatsoever with ancient Latins?

                • #123753
                  Anonymous
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                  >Barcin is as generically European
                  lmao, you wish mutt. at least 5% of that barcin in the portuguese example comes from the same source of the 5% Taforalt, brown boi. barcin is a SHARED ancestry between modern sandnigs and europeans, and the fact south euros have way more than north euros / whites is also the reason why they’re much darker and much more MENA-shifted.

                  btw your despair picking a lot of samples some of which like Tepecik (PPNB too to some extent IIRC) that were very closely related (or mixed Barcin + Levant) to Barcin to decrease the component in sandnig arabs shows how desperate you are to we wuz an ancient brown people who were closer to modern arab goatfuckers than to actual white people like swedes lol

                  • #123754
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >at least 5% of that barcin in the portuguese
                    no
                    >SHARED ancestry between modern sandnigs and europeans
                    It isn’t pic related.
                    >some of which like Tepecik (PPNB too to some extent IIRC)

                    that’s the default for the global 25 standard cacluator

                    • #123755
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >at least 5% of that barcin in the portuguese
                      >no
                      yep, 5% taforalt + roughly 5% barcin (from north africa) = 10% nafri in modern portuguese
                      >SHARED ancestry between modern sandnigs and europeans
                      >It isn’t
                      it absolutely is
                      >pic related.
                      what your pic truly means: even with more barcin-admixture, the rest of the components of swedes are so much whiter / distant that they’re still less related to barcin than saudis (mostly natufian) are haha

                      even the english (probably score near 40% Barcin in that specific model) is more distant than saudis lol

                      • #123790
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        meaningless when all Euros are part Barcin

        • #123672
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Could this be because the reconquista just finished and this idea of pure blood wasnt as strong like in England (even though some claim racism began in Spain)
          The Reconquista created the concept of pure blood

        • #123729
          Anonymous
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          Aren’t you aware of the whole "limpieza de sangre" concept? I’m not even that familiar with Spanish history

        • #123733
          Anonymous
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          Look up "limpieza de sangre" and "sistema de castas"

          • #123784
            Anonymous
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            >limpieza de sangre
            related to converted garden gnomes and muslims, not woke af on race but religion
            >sistema de castas
            never codified in any way besides some ethnographic paintings of the 17th century blown out of proportion
            there was native and mixed nobility and a spanish underclass, government positions were restricted to rich people and people born outside of america greatly favoured

        • #123813
          Anonymous
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          Difference of race has always been there, it’s more about the culture difference and how they reacted

        • #123824
          Anonymous
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          I dunno why everyone assumes the Arab rule of Spain consisted of millions of North Africans settling there.
          Indians aren’t mixed with Brits just because Britain ruled them for 2 centuries

        • #123833
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >even though some claim racism began in Spain
          this is your brain on academia

        • #123834
          Anonymous
          Guest

          the whole "pure blood" stuff in Iberia came about by Rabbis because they wanted to stop miscegenation. this is also where the concept of garden gnomes pass their heritage through the mother because at the time it was common for the children of mixed religion couples to take the religion of their father.

      • #123804
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Was only common with meds, since they are the same race as native Americans (brown). Britain and america had one drop rule because the difference between white and black is much more clear than the difference between med and Indian. Meds have never been obsessed with purity, and it shows in their genetic makeup.

        • #123805
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yeah Argentina you cant actually tell an Italian from a native-italian mix sometimes. A lot of meds arent brown though in my opinion.

          Also White Americans do have some native dna, and a lot are part Italian at this point.

          • #123806
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Yeah Argentina you cant actually tell an Italian from a native-italian mix sometimes. A lot of meds arent brown though in my opinion.
            Truth with this mix the line is more blurred
            >Also White Americans do have some native dna, and a lot are part Italian at this point.
            "White americans" is so far from a monolith, that varies not just by region but by city and state. But nationally around 5% of "non-hispanic whites" have any indian blood
            Ironically southerners / appalachians are the closest descendants of the founding anglo stock, people barely moved there, not even other europeans. Midwesterners are general northwestern mutts, english, german, dutch , etc. Italians and Irish stuck close to cities.

            • #123807
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Most white Americans are German at this point. I feel like the US is just a bunch of non-Anglo whites pretending to be English.

              • #123811
                Anonymous
                Guest

                most white americans are hispanic, genius

                • #123812
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >hispanic
                  >white
                  oxymoron

                  • #123814
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >Hispanic
                    >Ethnicity
                    North America is French and Spanish Clay. 13 colonies is Italian Clay.

      • #123826
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >le 46% rapebaby shitpost

    • #123653
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I suspect a difference in religion. The French were Catholic and also mixed with the Cree. Protestants feel much less duty to convert people than Catholics who need to convert the entire world. So Protestant could just kill all the natives and never convert. The Dutch did the same.

      • #123709
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Protestants feel much less duty to convert people than Catholics
        what the fuck are you talking

        • #123710
          Anonymous
          Guest

          prots are the garden gnomes of christianity

          • #123791
            Anonymous
            Guest

            then why did they send missionaries all over the world?

          • #123831
            Anonymous
            Guest

            > looks down at circumcised dick
            You are correct

        • #123741
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Early prots, when lutherism and calvinism were the biggest games in town and the prot countries could fuck over catholic colonial competitors by promising locals not to proselytise.
          Present is, you know, quite a bit different.

    • #123656
      Anonymous
      Guest

      want it because the people who started to colonize NA were actual families, but the ones who came to SA were just the soldiers who proceeded to create families with the natives?

      • #123658
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Mexico, Quebec and Brazil crawled so the US could run

    • #123660
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Imagine being a Brazilian nationalist. By the way, USA invented the aircraft.

      • #123661
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Brazil is one of the ugliest countries I’ve ever seen on google maps, literally looked war torn but worse because it had graffiti everywhere.
        I don’t know how Germans stay there

        • #123706
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >I don’t know how Germans stay there
          They have their own all German enclaves.

          • #123758
            Anonymous
            Guest

            catholic germans are something else. Probably the most patriotic and proud of their culture, with the most extreme and excentuated of style (Especially compared with the boring copy-paste style of north germany.

            And yet they are ridicolously prone to joining with other races

            • #123759
              Anonymous
              Guest

              do you mean nationalistic for brazil or germany?

            • #123760
              Anonymous
              Guest

              They seem woke af to me.

            • #123772
              Anonymous
              Guest

              There was no unification of Germany. There was a Prussian Conquest and subjugation of weaker states. Bavaria fought against the Prussians in the Franco-Prussian War. It’s outrageous that a Catholic people was forced to bow down to a Protestant tyrant instead of their own rightful monarch

        • #123825
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >don’t know how Germans stay there
          >graffiti everywhere
          Visit Berlin or Hamburg some day. Germany is also filled with graffiti kek

    • #123662
      Anonymous
      Guest

      BECAUSE THE NATIVES WERE HOTTER

      • #123663
        Anonymous
        Guest

        https://i.4cdn.org/his/1633047846465.webm

        imagine settling for some boring asian looking chick when you have this at home

        • #123667
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Imagine buying a shit Italian car like a Ferrari, when you can have this Ford Pinto
          Are you stupid?

        • #123703
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Lol if you think an average portuguese girl would look like that. Portuguese girls in the 16th century were ugly, stinky, puritan and full of diseases.

          Native girls were healthy, beautiful, walk nude all the time and were hygienic (it’s a known concept that brazilian indians that taught the portuguese how to bath every day. Even to this day Brazil is the country with most baths per person during the week).

          It’s easy to see why portuguese would prefer indians to their chicks at home.

        • #123716
          Anonymous
          Guest

          eurangutan women can’t compete with native girls

        • #123788
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I’m pretty sure he meant south americans are hotter than north americans. Also most sailors were rejects of their home

      • #123664
        Anonymous
        Guest

        pic unrel?

      • #123701
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I wish there more native and North African instead black

      • #123742
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >BECAUSE THE NATIVES WERE HOTTER
        haha

    • #123670
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The Catholic mandate for colonization rested on it being about converting pagans and integrating them into the Christian world and – more importantly – the Church was a separate institution from the state that was carrying out the colonization, so it could and would act against that state and the white colonists if doing so was in its interest, with the mandate being violated as a pretext.

      e.g. the Jesuits had no problem arming and training Guarani natives when Portuguese slavers started encroaching on their turf

      Catholic monarchs know that the Church doesn’t care if there’s a Spanish/Portuguese Catholic Empire or a bunch of independent Catholic states in its place (actually, the Church would prefer the latter, because big Catholic empires have a tendency to try and control the Church), and act accordingly by playing by the rules.

      • #123675
        Anonymous
        Guest

        tl;dr: you can’t fuck with the natives too much because the Church will use that as an excuse to fuck with you, so you just fuck the natives.

    • #123704
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Larger native populations that had civilizations (Peru, Mexico) made mestizaje the practical approach. Also because of their catholicism, the Spanish preferred converting and assimilating rather than wiping out the Natives, they were closest to the Roman approach to Imperialisn. There is also the fact that the conquests were spearheaded by great men from Reconquista military families and not by moving wagons of families.

    • #123705
      Anonymous
      Guest

      it’s easier just to COLONIZE and BLEACH women within a couple generations

    • #123707
      Anonymous
      Guest
      • #123725
        Anonymous
        Guest

        one struggle

    • #123708
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I think it’s because north america was much more sparsely populated than the south. Plus the spanish and portuguese were devout catholics whose conquest were motivated by a desire to convert the natives unlike the british, dutch and french who didn’t care about religion and were more ethnocentrist. So they were more likely to mingle with the natives.

    • #123711
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Polygamy
      This could be Japan or the Philippines. Mormons could do this and it wouldn’t even be seen as controversial.

    • #123712
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Catholic moralscroteging
      >Lack of Euro women
      >Increased focus on religious conversion

    • #123713
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >anglo achievements:
      >founded a (((law))) school
      why is it always like this bros

    • #123717
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Anglo new world colonies were less populated and more hostile

    • #123718
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Pic related.

      • #123722
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This is the best and only take anyone should have

      • #123723
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Is this fair? I mean, look at Detroit, many areas of NYC and Boston, large areas of states all along the east coast. Very similar to Brazil

      • #123738
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Ignorant scrote, it is well known that every time that some latin american country achieves a minimal development, or when they start improving life standars of their people you ameriscrotes says "oohh le communismo is bad", even when clearly there is no communism (see Perón, Balmaceda, etc.).

        • #123743
          Anonymous
          Guest

          and then le conspiring america stages a coup.

      • #123745
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >white civilization
        >not the Med civilization

        • #123747
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Med civilization
          This is correct.

          • #123750
            Anonymous
            Guest

            What is that fat Arab going on about?

        • #123749
          Anonymous
          Guest
          • #123751
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Neither med scrotes nor Scandinavian scrotes invented civilization, it was done by CHG Germanics

        • #123794
          Anonymous
          Guest

          med "civilization" was no better than any other form of advanced pre industrial society. It wasn’t until the industrial revolution, the enlightenment, capitalism and modern medicine that we actually see "civilized" people

        • #123836
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >med "civilization"
          >not the Euphrates Tigris civilization

      • #123767
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Cuz race
        >Nothing to do with the fact that half of the continent is a rainforest
        >Nothing to do with Brazilian elites’ insistence upon rent-woke af systems.
        The more I read, the more I realize race arguments are just the crutch of the midwit.

        • #123768
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >nooo you can point out that scrotes and native Indio scrotes are a subhuman race noooo, we wuz civilization n shieeet wypipo be oppressin us n sheeit is da elitessss

          Pull a bullet between your eyes, thx

        • #123792
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >still stumped by singapore and hong kong becoming wealthy with almost no natural resources

          • #123809
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Hong Kong was the main trading port between the British Empire and China, and Singapore functioned similarly for the British in Malaysia. Just having a de facto monopoly on trade like that gave them much of the momentum needed to transition into the modern world unimpeded.

            • #123816
              Anonymous
              Guest

              What’s the excuse for Panama?

              • #123818
                Anonymous
                Guest

                No excuse. Panama’s not all that wealthy. What they do have largely came from the drug partnerships they had with the North, and their possession of the Suez Canal.

      • #123783
        Anonymous
        Guest

        let’s fuck up and exploit these countries for two centuries then say it was their race keeping them down

        • #123796
          Anonymous
          Guest

          every people has been bonked up and or exploited at some point in their history. It only seems to keep certain groups down and at certain levels. Mind you these patterns are relatively consistent. The dominican republic was once conquered by haiti yet its less "down" than they are now. The same way most latin american countries are less "down" than other african countries. Or the way latin americans are less "down" in third party countries such as white ones.

        • #123835
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          • #123837
            Anonymous
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            You took a comic denouncing you as a schizo and repurposed it to say, "Disregard everything. Africans are dumb."
            I preferred it when you guys were just making strained connections.

      • #123786
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        most scrotebrained take. race science is horoscopes for small white bois

        • #123797
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          hey buddy care to post the REAL science that proves all races are equal?

          • #123827
            Anonymous
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            > all races are equal
            Tell me about your "scientific" definition of race, and I will tell you why its wrong.

            • #123828
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              what is a 23andme test?

            • #123832
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              There is only one race: The Black Race. All the other "races" should be subservient to them or else they’re racist.

              Tell this to any PhD in any science you want while wearing our shirt(raised fist with BLM underneath) and they will agree. 100% of the time. If they don’t they’re racist pseudoscientists.

      • #123817
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        go back stormscrote

    • #123727
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      Mainly because the British weren’t degenerate monkeys who went into heat over literal savages.

      Unironically though, there were a number of reasons –
      >North America was less densely populated, meaning that settlers could outbreed the natives more easily, and there was less incentive to conquer natives, especially with the lack of preexisting state structures as existed in the south (Aztecs, Incas, etc.)
      >Given that it was less economically valuable (less gold/tropical plants), it wasn’t really worth the government getting involved early on, and thus alot of the early colonization took the form of private efforts, where people were looking to form their own communities rather than get involved in conquering people and crap

      There were alot of things at play but those were the biggest factors as I understand it.

    • #123728
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      […]

      Same as Brazil, which he notes since some of Brazil that is German is nice. Detroit and Philly still have white people though and its shit

    • #123730
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      >Very friendly with natives
      >Mass murders native babies, burns civilians at the stake, backstabs ally natives, disregards peace agreenments to murder unsuspecting natives
      yeaaah, sure

      • #123731
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        Americans never did this

        • #123732
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          Fuck off you Anglo bastard

        • #123736
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          yeah sure fuckhead just don’t look at the countless times anglo americans broke deals and treaties they made with the natives to invade their lands

          USA is an illegitimate state.

          • #123737
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            to be honest though, natives broke these treaties too, often just straight up butchering people randomly

          • #123740
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            I always laugh when I see an American being against Israel. Israel is no more illegitimate than America.

    • #123734
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      I fear that I’m falling in love mates

    • #123739
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      stop lumping us with castillans, we did things differently and always had plenty of locals and mixed in charge of things in the empire, unlike spain which viewed full blooded spaniards born in mexico as 2nd class to spaniards born in spain
      alsp racism is 100% and anglo invention, categorizing races is not racism

    • #123752
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      The English brought over women and entire families, even under harsh conditions. They were trying to create England 2.0 rather than resource extraction colonies staffed by freebooting single males.

    • #123756
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      btw, for those genuine interested in genetics but without any agenda or shame over their own brown admixture, this is what the PPNB and Tepecik components look like when replaced with the much better local Natufian proxy and modeled with them

    • #123757
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      They didnt create universities, we did.

    • #123761
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      The difference was Spanish colonization was woke af on the total subjugation of everyone who lived there, native and settler alike unless you were super upper-class. People in the English colonies, for all their flaws, had a lot more rights.

      • #123793
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        Sure, thats why there were a huge number of soldiers in the 13 colonies.

        • #123800
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          Those soldiers weren’t there to rule over you with an iron fist. You have no idea what you’re talking about, the english colonists had so much more freedom than we did here.

          • #123802
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            Your so called settlers had shit freedom you imbecile, they couldnt even create universities. All governors came from beyond the sea. They were cattle.

    • #123762
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      Because the English were a temperate high IQ and industrious race while the Southerners were horny and lazy.

      Also the level of genocide in the north is exaggerated and woke af on utter bullshit about carbon deposits being used to theorise massive populations of HG and subsitance farmer injuns in north America which never existed except in the pacific NW.

      Central America did have massive urbanised native populations and that is woke af on actual historical and archaeological evidence, and they were genocided on a massive scale.

      • #123775
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        If your right wing you should be ashamed. As a white american, i will say that the natives on the eastern sea board were a huge population and they were hacked to death by my family, not some disease

        Yes, there were 20 million injuns, and I massacred them all

    • #123769
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      >It’s that easy
      It really is.

    • #123780
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      there proximity to north african they already had a multicultural existence imagine what could have been kek a giant slab of clay with Portuguese and Spanish people truly heart wrenchingly terrible

    • #123781
      Anonymous
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      man you shouldn’t trust these memes, indias are in no way "hot"
      t. I live near paraguay

      • #123785
        Anonymous
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        they are if you’ve spent an entire year in a smelly boat surrounded by smelly hairy men

    • #123787
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      well they had different cultures to begin with. But keep in mind the english colonization happened much later than the portuguese. This meant they could think about things like transplantation and legal settlements whereas the portuguese brought only men so naturally had to breed with the natives.

    • #123801
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      The real answer is population difference. Whereas Britain could send out their poor in huge numbers to actually colonize the land, the Portuguese had no choice but to fuck natives to replenish their population.

      • #123803
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        Yeah Portugal punched way above their weight class with like 1 million people at home while Spain and England were more populous

        • #123808
          Anonymous
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          New Spain aka Mexico only had a population of 6 million when its War of Independence happened, a war that killed nearly half a million people.

    • #123810
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      Well one reason was peobably climate. Tropical areas are tough for europeans maybe they figured they might as well mix to keep a tighter grip on the population. Maybe another reason was economic. Quick exploitation of resource rich areas vs a place to dump surplus popoulation

    • #123815
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      As far as I understand it, the Spanish started their colonization by basically just inserting their guys into existing structures of Aztec and Incan kingdoms, and so they had to intermarry with native nobility for legitimacy reasons. The practice then kinda spread top-down like Christianity.
      Anglos OTOH missed out on already rich and built-up (back then) american land and had to start from scratch.

    • #123819
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      You just know, these images were made by an ignorant idiot who has never seen an ameridian woman in his life… they are one of the most unnatractive women, tied with chinks and brits for the worst, and the depiction of the colonizer as a chad is even more laughable… do you really think the best mem of europe came here? Reeks of deluded latino larping or ignorant american idiot

    • #123822
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      It didnt.
      Its all about the geography of the colony.
      England and France had colonies in the Caribbean and South America, they are all identical to Brazil and Spanish colonies.
      And if you analyze Portuguese and Spanish colonies outside of the Americas they are all similar to their English counterparts.

      • #123829
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        This. The only real answer basically. Its like saying Quebec and French Guiana are the same type of civilization.

    • #123823
      Anonymous
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      Dammit why did the artist of this image have to make the native girl so cute

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