Why did Persia flop in the 19th century?

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    • #63140
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      Why did they fail to modernise and hold on to the caucuses,the Ottomans half assed it but it appears as if the Persians did not try at all. Why?

    • #63141
      Anonymous
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      they didn’t neighbour country with western tech so they couldn’t westernize

      • #63142
        Anonymous
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        Japan did not border a western nation yet it developed quickly and efficiently. Its still baffleing how they evaded colonisation and modernisation

        • #63155
          Anonymous
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          The Qajars after Amir-Kabir’s assassination were incredibly inept, corrupt, and utterly complacent. As long as the current Shah was getting his pleasures and the rest of the extended royal family their ‘gibs’, they didn’t give a shit about modernization or reformation. This is why the Qajars have such hatred from Iranians.

        • #63183
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          >Its still baffleing how they evaded colonisation
          no one understood it or wanted it. no resources

      • #63143
        Anonymous
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        the brits and russians??

      • #63175
        Anonymous
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        at least make your cope somewhat believable, this excuse gets debunked if the reader thinks about it for longer than 5 seconds

      • #63181
        Anonymous
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        woke af paradox gamer

    • #63144
      Anonymous
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      The 19th century was the era of the germanic and japanese industrial bugmen

      • #63145
        Anonymous
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        Id imagine its more of a anglo century seeing as they dominated world politics after the Napoleonic wars

        • #63174
          Anonymous
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          >i the bog walker is ultra powerful as I gun down spear chuckers and have 0 power over the continent, the only place that matters

          Delusional

    • #63146
      Anonymous
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      Qajars were a criminally-tier incompetent dynasty. Close contender for the title of WOAT dynasty ever, together with the Qings and the Angelos

      • #63147
        Anonymous
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        How so?

        • #63156
          Anonymous
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          The fact the then Queen Mother of the current Qajar Shah, and several other members of the Qajar extended family were involved in the removal and death of Amir-Kabir is a pretty major one. Amir-Kabir’s death due to Nasir being influenced by his mother claiming he would attempt to depose him and topple the Qajar dynasty is probably why the young Shah did it but the end result was the last great Persian before the Pahlavi founder would show up about 60-70 years later. All his pushes for reformation of the government, curbing the power of princes and members of the royal family, crushing and punishing corruption in the administration, pushing for using Westernization to keep Persia independent were badily handicapped by the incompetence and narcissism of the nepotistic Qajars.

      • #63148
        Anonymous
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        How so?

        Qajars were unironically a bunch of scrotebrained Turks who set the country back to the stone age. Humorously enough, Western imperialism was helping Iran for some time by killing off their descendants like Mossadegh.
        However, now USA is supporting Qajar descendants, which mainly composed MEK/NCRI. If it were up to me, every single last descendant of Qajars should be beheaded.
        Stupid genetic trash subhumans. Look up the sexual preferences of some of the kings. They liked women with mustaches. Turks are more subhuman than Arabs.
        Turkey is a weird country because technically they are not Turks but worship such subhumans.

        • #63149
          Anonymous
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          You didn’t even explain what’s wrong with the Qajars specifically you just went on some bizarre tangent about Turks and modern day Iranian politics.

          • #63152
            Anonymous
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            Most likely a seething serb or some kind of Balkanoid, ignore ’em, they’re everywhere at LULZ pooping the board up with muh "Turks".

            • #63161
              Anonymous
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              This board is literally roach infested were you here the past week?
              We had literal grey wolf ideology threads with roaches jerking each other of in the comments.
              It took mods like 3 days to realize, this place is a shitshow

              • #63165
                Anonymous
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                Yeah the mods here are dogshit.

          • #63153
            Anonymous
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            They didn’t promote the arts of sciences.
            They let infrastructure fall to waste.
            They didn’t promote Iranian solidarity.
            They sold large swathes of land to Westerners.
            And much more…

            Most likely a seething serb or some kind of Balkanoid, ignore ’em, they’re everywhere at LULZ pooping the board up with muh "Turks".

            Stfu, Qajar descendant. You are not Iranian.

            Also, for some odd reason, a bunch of Qajar descendants are a bunch of commies. No joke.

            • #63154
              Anonymous
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              >of
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              I’m sick and tired of all the attention Iran is getting. You dumb scrotes, Iran isn’t that interesting. It’s just marginally better than its neighbors, which is not that great of an accomplishment.

              Qajars were subhumans and pretty much regressed the country for all the reasons I listed there. 9 times out of 10, an Iranian commie or socialist is of Qajar descent. They are still vying for the throne or positions of political power. All of them need to be purged .

        • #63158
          Anonymous
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          >typed from irvine california

          • #63162
            Anonymous
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            Go and slit your throat, you stupid smug piece of shit.

            • #63172
              Anonymous
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              Sounds like he was right

        • #63176
          Anonymous
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          How is mek the decedent of the qajars?

          • #63182
            Anonymous
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            >How is mek the decadent of the qajars?
            Rajavi, who founded the the Mujahedin against the Islamic Republic, is a descendant of the Qajars and a relative of Mossadegh distantly as well. Her family comes from a minor cadet branch of the inbreed Qajars.

      • #63151
        Anonymous
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        The Qing weren’t that bad.

        • #63166
          Anonymous
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          The greatest Chinese civil war happened under their rule.

    • #63150
      Anonymous
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      Nader Shah went full schizo and bonked up the country’s strong position, later replacement Shahs were giant memes especially the Qajars.

    • #63157
      Anonymous
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      The Mongols and timur absolutely destroyed Iran. I don’t think people understand the transformation and scale of decline that occured in this period. The safavids were able to scavenge the remains and build up an Iranian identity again, using what was left to hold their own and extract value but it was nothing compared to pre mongol iran. The collapse of the safavids and Nader shahs exploits crushed whatever sign of revival that survived. The qajar inherited a post apocalyptic landscape of centuries of destruction.
      The ottomans were in a very different position amd held populus and relatively untouched regions like Egypt, syria, Anatolia, Greece, and the balkans

      • #63159
        Anonymous
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        >The Mongols and timur absolutely destroyed Iran
        Wrong

        • #63164
          Anonymous
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          True

      • #63167
        Anonymous
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        You are half-right and half-wrong at the same time for different reasons, anon. For one, the Mongols did more more to kill Persians, other Iranian people or cull a swathe of them like with the descendants of the Sogdians. But most of this happened outside of Iran proper and more around the areas between Northern Afghanistan to Merv and Samarkand in Central Asia. As for the Timurids with Tamerlane, he did specifically cause wide scale massacres but in very localized parts of the Persian speaking country/lands. The Safavids would not have been able to recruit so many ethnic Persians, Kurds, and still somewhat Iranian Azeris if the claims of medieval Iranian historians are to be believed that almost 70% of the entire population of Persia was wiped out. The Safavids were able to largely field armies of similar size to the Ottomans even when not accounting for Ciracassian and Georgian or Quzilbashi.

    • #63160
      Anonymous
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      Iran was humiliated but it was never actually colonized which is better than most of the world

      • #63163
        Anonymous
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        Iran would have been better off if Germans colonized it. They should have done that during WWII, especially since Reza Shah was getting close to Hitler. If Iran were colonized by Germans, it would have become much better.

    • #63168
      Anonymous
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      I’m making this comment again made it another thread, Iran iirc had a population of around 10-15m people pre mongol invasion (same as Italy, Iran/the Iranian plateau is incredibly fertile land) Iran was absolutely devastated, the mongols literally committed genocide on the Iranic people like wtf man, why do you think Iran was kept being overrun by foreign rulers/dynasties etc, the native people were totally bonked over

      If this shit didn’t happen Iran’s/Iranian plateau’s population today would have been atleast 200-250m+ and together with central probably 400m+

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