Why did people use to believe in crazy medical treatments like this?
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Leaches were scientifically proven to help in the past few years.
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Leeches nowadays are used as a source of anti-coagulant during delicate surgeries, such as those involving blood vessels in the eye
It’s really amazing how such medical science can persist to this day, and still be used for a similar reason all of these years
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One of the reasons that "Orthodox" medicine triumphed so hard as an institution in the early 1900s was that they quietly looked into any alternative/traditional medicine practices for anything valuable and snagged whatever actually worked. To this day medical researchers still quietly do this.
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We don’t talk about that.
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yeah it turns out trial and error treatments that eventually worked over the course of centuries benefits medical science because that’s literally what science does except faster
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To help against the plague?
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The good thing about science is that you can actually test a claim if you don’t believe it; this would be more adequate for religion though because you can’t really disagree with god since he is almighty, always correct
Therefore give me more shekels-
>The good thing about science is that you can actually test a claim if you don’t believe it;
Can you though?
Can you REALLY?-
…yes? That’s why peer review exists, and why multiple studies are carried out to confirmed to replicate the results.
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Bullshit.
Do you have a multi-million dollar lab and funding to do clinical trials?
You can’t test shit, you’re entirely reliant on the opinions of others and peer review is a gently caressing meme in the 21at century.-
If you want to be retarded, and employ Solipsism because you can’t understand scientific arguments; you can go ahead. I just thank god you will never have any decision making powers on subjects that require such evidence.
>Peer review basically doesn’t exist today.
False, it does – you just don’t know what you are talking about.
>There are whole fields like psychiatry whose methodological base is cosidered total bullshit by the practitioners themselves
This is retarded though because it just proves my point; the lack of being able to have replication in a study exists in science to rule out conclusions. You are retardedly saying science having the ability to check its claims is an example of you not being able to trust it? Stop being stupid.-
>you just don’t know what you are talking about.
Top kek, if you don’t know about the replication crisis and how much it worries academics of every fields you’re the one who doesn’t know shit.
>You are retardedly saying science having the ability to check its claims is an example of you not being able to trust it? Stop being stupid.
Are you retarded? Of course I’m not gonna trust "scientific" results that can’t stand up to scientific scrutiny. Science is a cult nowadays because the name is all that’s left of the scientific method. You could put whatever doctored bullshit you want in a paper, chances are it’s still gonna be published and nobody’s gonna call you out. The paper then can be used to peddle whatever bullshit agenda you’re being paid to further, and retards will buy it because "they gently caressing love science!11" and "you’re just gently caressing retarded and watch way too much Fox News and probably spend too much time on social media" if you don’t kowtow to authority immediately. -
You’re either lying or have your head shamelessly buried in the sand
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>This is retarded though because it just proves my point; the lack of being able to have replication in a study exists in science to rule out conclusions. You are retardedly saying science having the ability to check its claims is an example of you not being able to trust it? Stop being stupid.
No you idiot the replication crises is about some studies being like this
"If you put a pencil in a blue circle it will fly up. GIVE US MORE MONEY!"
"Cool let me try…it doesn’t work?"
"Huh weird…we weren’t lieing just trust us." -
see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2019/09/reproducibility-and-replicability-in-research
You have only to gaze slightly to see that most of the sciences, after the discovery of radiation in 1895, have been becoming more and more an article of faith, sir. Prior to that, anyone with a modicum of intelligence could set up experiments of up to intermediate complexity and test them for themselves.
And go chug some more soilent.
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>science doesn’t count if it has a lot of funding
damn ok, we better stop using computers and cars and electrical appliances and shit then since they’re just lies
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>That’s why peer review exists
Peer review basically doesn’t exist today.
Nobody can afford to replicate a study just as a check before an article’s publication, and when it actually happens the original results cannot be replicated something like 70% of the times.
There are whole fields like psychiatry whose methodological base is cosidered total bullshit by the practitioners themselves, just take a look at the criticism aimed at the latest edition of DSM-5.
It’s the biggest issue in the scientific world right now and has been for decades, and no matter how many academics try to spread word on the issue it always gets buried because nowaday science is a cult and politicians use it to justify their bullshit just like religious leaders used to.-
>science is a cult and politicians use it to justify their bullshit just like religious leaders used to.
Not really, you’re just gently caressing retarded and watch way too much Fox News and probably spend too much time on social media -
Psychiatrists are based. They are the last bastion of classical medicine precisely because compsci autists cannot fathom talking to people who will give you half truths instead of raw data. gently caress Evidence based medicine, it’s not even curated by medics.
Nobody in the field checks facts anymore. All they do is have a bunch of codemonkeys take an amount of unchecked flawed articles churned out as requirement by PhD students (who are not even practicioners), they make a new database out of them and run flawed arbitrary statistical models, then you get the so revered Meta-Analysis that is supposed to be the Muhammad of absolute truths, that should be believed without scrutiny, and can be molded to whatever you want. Meanwhile, only a handful of publishing houses are the ones that handle all the medical canon. If you’re from latin america or anywhere in the world that is not the US or Europe, your research doesn’t mean shit.
It’s a lot more wiser to not believe in evidence based bullshit until 2 decades have passed and the practice has killed enough people to be scrutinized again. I say this as a doctor.
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Based, but psychiatry has always had its head up its ass.
Also gently caress allopathy. -
>Psychiatrists are based.
They are, and they are saying to stop the bullshit and rethink the system, because psychiatry isn’t anywhere near as based as its practitioners, and it’s been political minded for the last few decades.
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>That’s why peer review exists
Fucking kek at the naivity on this lad
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Half of the modern American medical industry is legit snake oil. People are just as gullible now.
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>Your brain is a girl’s we need to cut your dick off
Why do people believe crazy treatments like this?-
That’s not even how that works though retard
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You’re lucky LULZ won’t let me upload the webm I have saved of how they actually do it
Retard.-
Why do you jerk off that stuff; you must be one in the closet
Research universities do in fact have that money, yes. You might want to learn what a grant is, retard. They have the money to do so. And, the fact of the matter is that enough people can independently confirm the results. Unless you’re so retarded you believe every person on Earth must do the test for it to replicated. I guess we should throw out all the scientific knowledge we have on computer engineering because you weren’t there individually to see them do tests on if the internet could theoretically be possible.
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Not really, researchers receive grants based on the success or publication of their research. Because replication studies are seen as boring by the big science journals, no on gently caressing does them, leading to a metaphorical drought of any replication studies that actually try.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2019/09/reproducibility-and-replicability-in-research
You have only to gaze slightly to see that most of the sciences, after the discovery of radiation in 1895, have been becoming more and more an article of faith, sir. Prior to that, anyone with a modicum of intelligence could set up experiments of up to intermediate complexity and test them for themselves.
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That doesn’t refute my point, retard. I actually said that the fact that replication errors exist means we can actually verify facts. Not all studies are ruled out, but many are because they can not be replicated. That’s how you rule out bad data, you retards.You really have no idea how science works, and this is because you obviously never had a scientific education besides what they taught you in special ed.
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make a drawing
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>born in the wrong body
>sex reassignment surgery
>transgender toddlers
Dilate and kys-
You talk a lot about kids; you might be unhealthily attracted to them
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>Caring about children is unhealthy.
have a nice day rat. -
The deflection isn’t working, trannoid.
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It’s a tool of population control by power hungry elites
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Do you really want trannies breeding?
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>>Your brain is a girl’s we need to cut your dick off
>Why do people believe crazy treatments like this?
because they’re white, and whites lack the ability to reason logically.-
>Is this thread shitty enough?
>No bruh, let’s get some racebaiting into this as well-
Butthurt faggot. Everyday the words melanoid/spic/garden gnome/chink are tossed around on this board. Grow a spine.
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it’s literally only whites that do that shit though
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Jesus Christ this is bad history; A lot of doctors were actually trying to push away from leeches, but they were dependent on pay people would give them.
Many people thought that "good" doctors offered leeches as a service, and demanded they provide it if it was not listed; If the doctor refused and/or tried to explain that it did not work they would lose most paying customers and go bankrupt. Meanwhile Doctors who wanted to make money would see this and advertise strongly they supported such practices.
It did not help that sometimes what people needed was to lower their blood pressured, so leeches and/or blood-letting would actually work in those scenarios, increasing the popularity of such pratices.
tl;dr: The way doctors worked in the US before the federal government organized them post-civil war and the 1900s was wild.
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>tl;dr: The way doctors worked in the US before the federal government organized them post-civil war and the 1900s was wild.
That’s true in general, medicine was till very recently incredible primitive and is still rapidly advancing each decade. -
>If the doctor refused and/or tried to explain that it did not work they would lose most paying customers and go bankrupt
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A lot of doctors were actually trying to push away from leeches
So there was a time they accepted leeches. 0/10 try to debunk harder.
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In 1000 years I feel they will say the same about our modern pharmacuticals
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science is not as fun as people make it out to be. shit doesn’t make sense until it’s fully understood, so the starting point is completely senseless. people don’t like senseless. they like shit that fits their preconcieved notion of what the world is and how it works.
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>science is a cult and politicians use it to justify their bullshit
Absolutely applies to sociology and gender studies.-
Yeah, the problem is that I doubt you would accept that conclusion applying to you because clearly you’re not in a cult even though your entire life you’ve been told what to do by your family, by your state education system and by society. See, everyone that doesn’t agree with you is in a cult; because apparently you’ve solved all the problems human psychology, and how dare people question you – for you have found the righteous and truthful path
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>everyone that doesn’t agree with you is in a cult
>you have found the righteous and truthful path
Nice straw men there. No, I am perfectly capable of seeing the difference between honest people who come to different conclusions than me and ideologues who make stuff up to support their political goals. And I’m rather not alone in my assessment that certain self-declared scientists are really not scientists at all.Sorry friend but I don’t think I want your support in this. No, "Science" as a whole is not a cult, but a great concept and endeavour to increase our knowledge on the world, which most scientists follow in honesty. It’s not their fault fringe groups claim its good name to push ideology.
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>"Science"
Nice fake quotes, cletus.
If you’re unfamiliar with a term you should google it -
>Science as a whole is not a cult, but a great concept and endeavour to increase our knowledge on the world, which most scientists follow in honesty.
Most might be pushing it, but on the whole I don’t disagree. The issue is not so much with the scientists, who for that most part are average people trying to do their jobs, but with the media who subvert scientific findings to push agendas and pressure academics to conform if their studies reach unpleasant conclusions. When even nobel prize winners are at risk of being canceled, you know it’s bad.
People like you trying to screech down skeptics do more damage than anything else as well by the way. Most "science deniers" are simply reasonable people who don’t trust political operators to tell them the truth (hardly an unreasonable position), and by asking for unconditional compliance to the authority of the name Science rather than the scientific method itself you do nothing but further erode the trust people have in those who call thmselves scientists.-
>People like you trying to screech down skeptics
Err?
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>Science" as a whole is not a cult, but a great concept and endeavour to increase our knowledge on the world, which most scientists follow in honesty
Imagine genuinely believing that scientists are more honorable than priests, without really you’ve started seeing scientists as priests.
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More baseless accusations. And yes, current day scientists are more trustworthy than 15th century priests… but so are current day priests.
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>Your accusation is baseless!
>Also concedes that my accusation is accurate.-
>you’ve started seeing scientists as priests
Idiot.-
You objectively have. You genuinely believe that scientists aren’t merely fallible and passionately biased people doing a job that they might lie to protect, they’re figures of moral virtue that represent the highest ideals of society. That’s a priest. You can call it something else, but the idea in your head of what a scientist is, is actually a priest.
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You are talking out of your ass, entirely. Maybe you’re confusing me with someone else?
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Christfag cope. If you don’t believe everything you hear about scientific studies then that’s understandable. If you take this as a sign that garden gnome religion is the truth than you are not going to make it.
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This. The triggered reply from the tranny under this post just further confirms it.
Scientism is a cult.-
Denying reality won’t stop people from using science. Cope all you want, but it doesn’t change any facts
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>Denying reality won’t stop people from using science.
Which is exactly why people keep getting more and more skeptic as the years go by, your bullshit is getting seen through. Novaxxers were seen as tinfoil hatters five years ago, yet now it takes national propaganda campaigns for people to accept the covid vaccine.
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those two have to be among the very worst offenders of any academic field out there.
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>Homeopathy
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This is a good book on the subject. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OI0E6I/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
But the tl;dr is that it worked for Hemachromatosis, which was a relatively common disease in Europe at the time.
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>muh science
Meanwhile, in the real world, science can’t figure out if Covid-19 evolved zoonotically or was created in a lab. On top of that research into the question was suppressed because "Orange man bad" and since Trump thought it was a bioweapon OBVIOUSLY it couldn’t be. Science has to close ranks against the "racist conspiracy theory" that China might be responsible because the public can never be allowed to believe Trump is right about anything!https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
gently caress science
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Tbh most of the science that people don’t believe is of minor importance.
>Medicine
Hurts themselves or their kids at most.
>Evolution
Who cares what random schmucks think, the biologists who draw actual use out of it do. And frankly, teaching children bullshit is what school does all the time. The clever ones will tell the difference.
>Climate science
Not even the ones who believe in it have the will to actually do something. It’s all virtue signalling and minor stuff that doesn’t help but at least doesn’t hurt too much. "B-but I use a jute bag now" sure you do kid, that’ll totally make up for your last vacation to australia.The only thing I really hate are mask refusers. Those gently caresss should be charged with attempted bodily harm, simple as.
>B-but the science isn’t 100% certain
>So I won’t wear that tiny piece of cloth that could save your life
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he’s right you know? as past civilization realised it, soul aka our blood, is were illness are gathered
why do you think HIV attacks blood? lecumia etc
those are soul illnesses aka blood, many come from blood, why do you think blood transfusion is so popular people need to learn about it
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Leeches actually work. And it’s no more crazy than cutting the dick off a 6 year old because he thinks he’s a girl, then putting him on television as a freakshow.
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leeches work in certain circumstances but not for the vast majority of diseases they were used to treat in centuries past
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Humoral medicine had been the standard in Europe ever sense Hippocratic Corpus was compiled. Stuff like leaches and bloodletting was in line with the discoveries of Galen and Hippocrates from that period. The publication and translation of the Kitah al-Qanum into medieval Europe around the 1100’s kept those traditions alive, as it was the most comprehensive account of Galen and Hippocrates works available in Latin.
Although "Muh christian dark ages" is largely a meme, medicine is one area where it has some truth. The church expressly forbid autopsy as desecrating a body for most of its history, and because they had such a "complete" cannon of medicine for how the body worked no one really dared to question the Humorist interpretation of the body till the renascence.
TL:DR
They had a massive cannon of medicine, most of which was wrong, and no one bothered to check if the old masters had got it wrong.-
>Although "Muh christian dark ages" is largely a meme, medicine is one area where it has some truth. The church expressly forbid autopsy as desecrating a body for most of its history
Absolute rot. Not only was dissection practiced throughout the middle ages, in some places (like in Sicily under Frederick II’s reign) it was even mandatory for physicians to have attended to one during their education. We have full records of autopsies performed by doctors like Mondino de Luzzi in the 1310s and Galeazzo di Santa Sofia in 1404.
The problem is the same that plagues every aspect of the "dark ages" cultural life: a horrendous lack of textual remains through which to understand what the gently caress was going on back then.-
>We have full records of autopsies performed by doctors like Mondino de Luzzi in the 1310s and Galeazzo di Santa Sofia in 1404.
not medieval ages retard that’s the renascence already-
Frederick II was full middle ages
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No. It’s medieval until 1453
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Yeah, it’s totally crazy. Anyways, let’s cut your son’s foreskin off. Trust me, it’s cleaner.
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Leeches are based and extremely beneficial when used correctly.
You’re just a low information retard with a bad case of chronological snobbery.
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