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Why did everything look better in the past?
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Yeah, it is. The Eiffel tower was created as part of the World Fair and was never meant to be a permanent structure. Crazy that the most recognized landmark in the whole world was created just for fun basically.
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Everyone is fully clothed, now you would see more bare skin than clothing.
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You have nostalgia for this time that is misplaced. Two things always come to mind in these threads, one is that they don’t take photos of the slums that are in these old European cities. And the other is that it isn’t practical to make buildings with facades like that, the maintenance of those things is crazy.
Pretty sure all these world’s fair structures are designed to be temporary, they look like stone but its all wood and plaster.
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The slums are infested by gypsies.
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It didn’t
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proof? show me a picture of a city that has not degenerated
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>degenerated
into the trash-
>muh degeneracy
Go back to screeching about trannies on /poo/."Degenerated" as used to refer to the decline of modern architecture is not the same as "degenerate" as used to refer to a specific person or subculture. You know that these are real words, right? They weren’t invented by your /poo/ boogeymen and any normal person not obsessed with /poo/ would find no fault whatsoever with the use of the word to refer to the transition between the contrast between the pictures OP provided.
How else would you describe it? Decline? It doesn’t really capture the essence of the trend. "Degenerated" is the most apt word and you need to seriously reexamine your life if you’ve become such a sperg that you’re modifying your vocabulary to avoid the use of words that you once saw used by people you disagree with politically.
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Decline fits just fine.
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>muh degeneracy
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most Chinese cities tbh, you’re unironically witnessing the decay of an existing world hegemon (the US and the West be extension) and the rise of another (China), which is why everything now looks degen compared to the past
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Top is more expensive to build, to clean, and to maintain.
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and it looked 1000x better and made for more pleasant cities. shame no one cares about that anymore
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True. I wish there were some firms that still specialized in making those types of buildings.
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if you don’t realize that the cities you’re thinking of were full of raw sewage, urchins, and horse shit idk what to tell you
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Bullshit. The whole point of Haussmans work was to make the city clean and modern, and if anything he made the city more beautiful.
False, stone buildings only need to be cleaned every couple of years because of car traffic. Once cars turn electric it will become a much less frequent issue. In comparison concrete buildings from the post brick and mortar era now need entire new façades to isolate them, extensive work to prevent leakages and concrete rot etc.
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The real reason is purely ideological and woke af on the rejection of ornementation of any kind, theorized by Loos and applied by the Bauhaus architects and Le Corbusier in particular. Man is seen as just a cog in the machine which needs nothing more to live a good life than access to leisure and clean life environment. Beauty is seen as purely subjective and therefore can be changed If the subjects are conditioned properly. Therefore older “beautiful” ornemental architecture is no longer required to enjoy one’s daily surroundings.
Problem is this works like communism : unless all capitalist states are destroyed communism can’t really work. In the same way, until all ornamented buildings are destroyed, they will always be instinctively viewed as more agreable to look at than non ornemental buildings, whatever their quality (because beauty is actually not truly subjective, something in ornementation appeals to the human mind on a subconscious level).So anyway, with all our modern building techniques, ornementation could easily come back into vogue from a technical point of view and not cost much more than the non-ornemental non-vernacular architecture we have to contend with today, but the architectural industry is firmly ideologically controlled by the anti-ornamentalists, supported by the concrete industry (for obvious reasons) and the real estate development industry (Because they are so used to the current system).
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Globalized homogenized
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because architecture used to be about proper aesthetics, now it’s about vomiting out bullshit
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More like who can design the best 4th-dimensional Evangelion angel.
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Unironically the design philosophy behind that
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>Laughing Geometrically
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This is my city and I still can’t believe they bonked the ROM up like this. Most people have gotten used to it but it’s shocking how poorly executed it was.
You can’t see it here but the main entrance is further down the left side of this picture. It’s guarded by lion statues and leads into a vaulted rotunda with a gorgeous mosaic in the ceiling. And they blocked it off and had people use that tiny dark shitty little entranceway at the bottom of the picture to get in. Do you see the old guy in the baseball cap and the striped shirt walking on the sidewalk? Right behind him and slightly to the right, that’s what they used as the main entrance.
Disgusting. They only recently opened the actual original entranceway up again.
I freaking hate the Crystal.
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My sympathies. Living in Toronto must feel like hell
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It’s like in sci-fi manga (Eden, etc.) where the physical realm got attacked by some crystalized alien entities.
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It’s like that except when you look at it closely you notice that it’s cheap and shitty looking
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Whatever you do DON’T post these architect’s last names. There has been a rise in antisemitism on this board lately.
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>The building’s design is similar to some of Libeskind’s other works, notably the gnomish Museum in Berlin
of course…
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>vgh the juden… how could they destroy the architetural spirit of meinen europa…we need to reclaim the soul of our architeture by spending a shit load of money to remove the degenerate modern building and replace it with neo-classical ones.
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Imagine thinking that Money is more important than Culture
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>thinking that culture is defined by a couple of fancy buildings
the absolute state of westernoids-
It certainly plays a big part in it. Saying otherwise is pure idiocy
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at least this one doesn’t look that bad
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As a U of T grad I’m numb to that thing but it really is an abortion compared to the old entrance
You can’t see it here but the main entrance is further down the left side of this picture. It’s guarded by lion statues and leads into a vaulted rotunda with a gorgeous mosaic in the ceiling. And they blocked it off and had people use that tiny dark shitty little entranceway at the bottom of the picture to get in. Do you see the old guy in the baseball cap and the striped shirt walking on the sidewalk? Right behind him and slightly to the right, that’s what they used as the main entrance.
Disgusting. They only recently opened the actual original entranceway up again.
I freaking hate the Crystal.
mentioned. The inside is even worse, utterly sterile and the overhead walkways just have metal grate floors, really depressing, especially compared to the rest of the building.
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Vgh,
the intersection of BLOOR and VNIVERSITY
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This is genuinely one of the most childish things I’ve ever seen. It’s like they wanted to ruin the old building.
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>It’s like they wanted to ruin the old building.
They did. In both attempt and execution
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Because the white devil didn’t invent modern medicine yet, causing population booms that require commieblocks
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Vacines and anti-biotics should have never been invented.
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Because the top pic is the result of several centuries of building, while the bottom pic is the result of rebuilding in like 10 years after WWII.
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Because time and money was spent on making things look pleasant. Now the main concern is how cheaply something can be done. Ornamentation is in the trash and I hate it.
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That’s a cope and you know it, monuments where money is no concern don’t get ornamted either these days.
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It’s not a cope, I’m just talking about general architectural style in the western world. You’re right that monuments aren’t heavily ornamented either but the overall movement has been away from ornamentation towards standardized modular shit because it’s cheap. And that informed how we design everything.
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Cheapness wasn’t invented yesterday
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>monuments where money is no concern
no such thing. even if the state is paying for it, they’re paying for it
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because the average "person" doesnt care about reality
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>Why did everything look better in the past?
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>EVERYTHING WAS BETTER
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>AESTHETIC
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what? this would easily pass as a tourist area in modern times
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I did a double take because this is the spitting image of about half my city, in the capitol region of NY current year. It was not always so, things took a REAL nosedive in the 80’s and the corrupt city council been tearing down many of our historic buildings since then.
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It was.
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in europe because firstly it would have cost far too much to rebuild after ww2 rather than just try something new and cheaper, and secondly because both in the west and in the USSR, people were driven to look forwards not backwards
That second one is the most pertinent – both in the west and the east the desire was for novelty, futuristic design and new materials. That’s why glass and concrete took over from stone and wood. It looks dated to us but it looked cutting edge back then (and had the advantage of being cheaper)
Looking backwards for inspiration is a new thing, because throughout most of history humans imagine the future to look and feel different and better. There’s a creeping dread in most countries now that pushes people to hold on to old, traditional things rather than look to novelty.
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>Looking backwards for inspiration is a new thing, because throughout most of history humans imagine the future to look and feel different and better
>What is neoclassicism?
>What is neogothicism?
Anon, "looking forward" is a post-WW2 thing. Every previous era has attempted to get back to some superior past, whether real or imagined.-
Looking forward was rather a 19th and early to mid 20th century thing.
Pic related are is the scroteus factory built in 1911.[…]
Most of these old structures were actually torn down (if they were permanent at all) because they weren’t seen as beautiful but incredibly tacky by mid 20th century standards, similarly to McMansion and many other mediocre pieces of modern architecture, plus all the usual problems that arise from aging buildings.
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>What is neoclassicism?
>What is neogothicism?
Anon, "looking forward" is a post-WW2 thing. Every previous era has attempted to get back to some superior past, whether real or imagined.Dammit, forgot the pic.
If I had a choice, I would pick Detroit now over Paris 100 years ago. Mostly because of sanitation.
Isn’t midtown Detroit pretty much fine and it’s only the suburbs within city limits that are so awful?
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>t. never been to Detroit
Guess what, you can Google earth and see for yourself how bad it is. It is really bad. Up there with Baltimore. And that’s coming from a Cleveland-er.
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Is Cleveland actually that horrible? I was under the impression that it was a bland place to live in but not a ghetto warzone.
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i think it’s an increasingly poor city. detroitifying if you will
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Detroit is on an entirely different level of shitty compared to Baltimore.
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>Isn’t midtown Detroit pretty much fine and it’s only the suburbs within city limits that are so awful?
Honestly I don’t know that much about Detroit, other than the main problems are de-industrialization and urban decay. But I bet its better than the early industrial places like turn of the century Europe and modern India.-
i’d honestly rather live in parts of india than detroit. it’s awful
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I mean, you can’t breathe the air in Delhi, you can’t drink the water in the taps. Surely it cannot be that bad in Detroit.
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Water and air is fine in Detroit. Much else is the problem.
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I can think of a couple other major problems besides deindustrialization and urban decay. Pretty much every Western city has had to deindustrialize, yet very few are as shitty as Detroit.
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Detroit population 1960 = 1.8M
Detroit population 2020 = 0.6M
We would clearly intuit the situation in Detroit from that alone.-
I’m talking about mid- and downtown in 2020 and those areas are doing relatively fine from what I know compared to the shitfest the rest of the city is.
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>Every previous era has attempted to get back to some superior past, whether real or imagined.
This statement is so racked with hyperbole and overgeneralization that I don’t know where to begin. You can’t just make appeals to history without doing history, anon. -
>What is neoclassicism?
>What is neogothicism?
Styles that everyone in the era got so tired of and tought of as soulless that were becoming rejected in favor of art nouveau, 19th century modernism and then 20th century modernism.-
Well whoever decided that was wrong, we need to go back
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Whoever decided it was people that tought just like you, that the modern world is soulless and fetichized the world of before. Time is a circle and you’re just living in the age of the decline in (post)modernism just like they were back in the decline of neoclassical.
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They didn’t fetishize the world before, they were looking for a new modern style and they failed horribly. I don’t think everything old is good or worth saving, but it’s so obvious we used to know how to build a nice place to live and we’ve somehow lost the art
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I’m talking of what came after neoclassicism and historicisms specifically, the modernists of the 19th century fetichized the medieval world heavily alongside nature and rejected those styles alongside the increasing industrialization of architecture. The modernists of the 20th century took a different approach that at the time seemed great but now it’s run it’s course and looks awful to us on the same way.
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They looked back during the Renaissance and it worked well. Looking back isn’t that novel and I think the return to it is logical given how disastrous attempts at establishing new culture have been
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World War 2 saw the destruction of an ENORMOUS amount of European buildings (as well as artifacts, art, money, human life, and everything else that you could imagine). WW1 did as well, but the aircraft technology was a little more primitive in the 1910s compared to the 1940s. The destruction caused by WW2 was on a whole new level. WW1 was a turning point for war, in a greater sense. This was the first time in history where soldiers could FLY to your house and BOMB your shit. It must’ve been absolutely terrifying to the average citizen, who were more accustomed to the idea that battles were fought far away in a field. Planes and bombs changed the world forever. Sackings of towns and cities happened pre-WW1, but never to such a level where houses and normal people could be completely demolished by a few soldiers.
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stop it anon, my dick can only get so hard
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That’s a meme, only a small portion of London was destroyed and some countries left untouched like Switzerland still fell for the concrete cube meme.
Parisian architecure only started getting replaced by non-vernacular meme boxes from the late 60s onwards. It has nothing to do with bombing runs or money.
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because once upon a time towns were designed to be walked in an enjoyed sinec you would spend most of your day there. now towns are designed to be driven to and interacted with for as little as possible before you drive back home
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That’s an American problem. Still insanity Americans keep building like that.
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they’ll never stop building this way. they don’t know anything different. they think it’s normal for cities to be deserted unlivable messes
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Completely wrong, now we build like this.
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While there’s problems with this style of apartment as well, it’s still a massive improvement over what we were doing previously. The suburbs can’t be allowed to bloat anymore
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I-i-is that B-Breezewood, PA? AHHHHHHHHHHHH I’M GOING INSANE SAVE ME NWORDMAN
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Unironically cars are one of the biggest contributing factors towards the breakdown of community and and a lot of modern social woes
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old thing good
new thing bad
pointy tips good
straight lines bad
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Amerishart version
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Thats kind of true actually, even mcdonalds buildings just 30 years ago used to look way friendlier and like they were actually trying to make then ook decent. Now they look like commieblocks…
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Amerishart version
thats because McDonalds was for kids. the business was centered on the Fordist American family – epitomized by boomers
they even had a play center and happy meal
The Fordist family was destroyed in 1990s with the importation of shitskins and offshoring
Around 2000, since American’s no longer have kids McDonald’s rebranded to attract hip gay sterilized incels for the globohomo market
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>muh shitskins
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woke af /poo/scrote
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Unironically right except for the race autism, as if Clapistan has never had migration before.
It was more to do with neoliberalism and the decline of the middle class. Whites became poor and Spics looking for a new start just stayed poor.-
>implying China would be colonizing the planet without the help of US and Kissinger/R’feller since the 70s
Rockefeller/Nixon literally created superpower China and the US continued to transfer the wealth and future of the west to China
would china be what it is today solely woke af on china’s abilities and without western transfer of wealth and technology?US is China’s greatest ally. if it was not for the US, China would still be a country woke af on subsistence farming.
US literally created superpower China…
Nixon/Rockefeller birthed superpower China and the US continued to transfer the wealth and future of the west to China
china would not be what it is today solely woke af on china’s abilities and without western transfer of wealth and technologyChina’s rise was due to a transfer of wealth from the west.
>murica transfer of wealth/technology/industry to poor rural china
>murica create power strong china
>murica claim a strong china a problem
>murica plans on fighting strong china with totalitarian TTP eroding more citizen rights
>not creating a scapegoat to implement totalitarianismthe power brokers transferred:
-literally all the financial funds of US workers to China,
-transferred technology and jobs to China
-hyperinflated the housing so that only the Chinese (recipients of western funds) could afford the housingthe transfer of funds was done involuntarily without the consent of the owners of the funds
the power brokers took western funds sitting in banks and invested all of that in China.all that wealth transfer was from your pockets. the private funds in bank accounts, the housing assets, the jobs, all transferred by corporate USA without your knowledge or consent…
By about the year 2000 Communist China will be a “superpower” built by American technology and skill
-Sutton 1980
http://www.antonysutton.com/suttoninterview.html"America’s Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones"
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heres some studying material
http://prawd.sweb.cz/filo/fordist-golden-age-murdered.htm
they even had a play center and happy meal
The Fordist family was destroyed in 1990s with the importation of shitskins and offshoring
Around 2000, since American’s no longer have kids McDonald’s rebranded to attract hip gay sterilized incels for the globohomo market
>The Fordist family was destroyed
all part of the plan
http://jaffememo.com/full-list-of-population-control-measures-listed-on-the-jaffe-memo/62.htm
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They got rid of Ronald McDonald and all the kids characters. Modern McDonalds is somewhere even more souless than it was in the 90s.
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Just wish we could return to a more noble time like pic related
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That’s the link building.
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Its a decent building unironically.
It does not look like much when your driving past it though.
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Is it practical to combine cheap, low-maintenance, and visually appealing by using modern materials?
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Sure, just look at what art nouveau and deco were doing
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>art nouveau
>low-maintenance-
Ain’t higher maintenance than concrete cancer
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Oh man why don’t we keep these crumbling old builds around, they are totally aesthetic and functional.
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I don’t know why you are complaning, that’s a durable as fuck building.
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pfff they literally have to brace these buildings so they don’t fall over on people.
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imagine trying to roll that up in a wheelchair
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comfy
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Nice bait not even mentioning the fact it’s southern Italian it’s obviously old as shit and poorly maintained
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>build a carboard american house instead, goyim, for a hefty price of course
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you know I always thought living in a house with built in plumbing and electricity was a gnomish conspiracy.
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>plumbing and electricity can only be added in carboard cucksheds goyim
So why does my uncles aesthetic oldcity Catanian apartment have plumbing and electricity? It was comfy asf last time I stayed there
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>build a large and modern structure, probably on a usable lot and with a garage too
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Because you can only build such a thing 15 miles out into the suburbs, at least 10 miles away from the nearest grocery store or center of commerce, away from anything that makes a town actually worth living in
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Sounds good to me.
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looks utterly shit and boring
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Try getting modern HVAC, electricity, water and sewer into those elderly structures.
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Yep, looks aesthetic, atmospheric and gothic (not in the architectural sense). 10/10 would live in and write poetry about.
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>Some architect said form should never ever come before function
>another architect took that to mean buildings should be ugly and hard to navigate
>corporations realized they could now make buildings with the cheapest materials without having to understand how to use local space or match local culture
Basically modern art and modern capitalism teamed up to ugly up every city.
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Built to last, but not for modern convinces.
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Because the past bombed the shit out of itself
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We’re in the dawn of cyberpunk.
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A loss of optimism, rejection of life, and growing time preference in Western (globo-homo) culture. The construction and maintainence of classic architectural works was an intergenerational task and, fundamentally, investment in that cultural future. Now, we are no longer optimistic about the future, but deeply cynical. Further, we increasingly reject producing children to secure a future, and instead turn to immediate, novel, and transient lowest common demoninator solutions in the form of trashy globo-architecture with no distinctness.
We will not restore traditional styles until the current zeitgeist dies, and perhaps much of humanity with it, and a new and newly optimistic and expansive order replaces it.
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shitskins introduce/produce cannibalism. optimism/futurism and aesthetics is a white thing
Optimistic mid-century predictions about the Fordist future could easily come true if the West hadn’t chosen globalism and send our industries overseas.
Because White nations have regressed into liberal shitholes. The 3rd worlders that we waste all our time and energy on only care about McDonald’s and Made in China.
US technology corporations got sabotaged — then the oligarchs exported all our legacy technology manufacture to China and keep forcing the same shit down our throats as upgrading would reset the economy and the oligarchs can’t have that.
That’s what capitalists claim. We will continue to let Asia and LatAm copy our past until we all become equally shitty. They’ll just copy everything from us once they inheret the West and everything will be shit again. The real problem is that they will never advance beyond where we are now once they run out of other societies to copy everything from.
In reality, the neoliberalism killed the West in 2001, the globalists (bush/soros/bloomberg etc..) propped up its carcass with importing millions of particpants to the ponzi, until it all blew up again in 2008.
The arrival of neoliberal anti-Fordist capitalism lead to a culture of cannibalizing the past & pastiche.
The future was in the past, it died with the murder of Fordism.
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>shitskins introduce/produce cannibalism. optimism/futurism and aesthetics is a white thing
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> send our industries overseas.
Those industries died due to automation and mechanization drastically increasing productivity, outsourcing was only a secondary cause.-
Then why did/do those industries employ literally hundreds of millions in China?
It’s true you’ll probably never see another River Rouge complex employing 200K people in a single factory in America, but to pretend offshoring had nothing to do with it is stupid, if all those industries suddenly re-opened in America, even though they wouldn’t employ anywhere near as many people as they did in China, there wouldn’t be enough workers.
Automation if anything is driving onshoring, since it seriously reduces China’s one advantage: dirt cheap labour.-
>Then why did/do those industries employ literally hundreds of millions in China?
Because Chinese labor costs used to be extremely low, so that even with antique production methods you still turn a reliable profit. Same reason so much stuff was made in Korea during the 80s and 90s and in Japan during the 70s and 60s.
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Globohomo promotes rootlessness and soullessness. Bodies are to be interchangeable and movable, and should have no roots or soulful connection to… anything. Stripping cultural and social cohesion is important to this end. Whatever the architecture, it must first serve to fragment the transient bodies (temporarily) associated with it. It must be sterile and emotionally barren. None of it should serve as an anchor in any form, lest transience be lost.
You think this space is useful to you. It’s not. The net-net is negative, to all but globohomo.
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So communism and capitalist’s are best buddies?
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communism and globohomo, yes
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Capitalists export globohomo. Nice cope you garden gnome wageslave.
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You mean "communism" and "capitalism"?
Yes.
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it didn’t, its just that we preferentially kept the stuff from the past that looked particularly good while the vast majority of things which were trash were allowed to be replaced
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Old cameras had better dept of view
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May have to do with bombs on the Ruhr area in the case of OP’s pic
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In the past rich kids didn’t work. The were the idle rich.
One day, rich kids decided they wanted to "contribute" to society, by which they mean to hoarde good career prospects and hand it to each other in spite of their merits.
Now, we live in a word in which every rich kid "works" and all of them fare well and get sweet gigs because of, sorry in spite of, their traits and skills. When they do it in law, finances, academia, etc, you don’t see it, because you need to know about law finances, etc, to see wrongness in it. But when they do it in architecture you see it, because everyone has the universal sense of aesthetics that we all share. That’s why (you see that) architecture was better in the past, without (seeing) that everything elese was better in the past, before the relevant post were occupied with worthless rich kids that have gotten there in spite of their traits and skills, instead of the middle class geniuses that occupied those post before rich kids decided that they wanted to "contribute" to society and "work". -
Because Hitler bombed everything to the ground or caused his own country to be bombed
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>Because the RAF and USAF bombed everything to the ground in Europe*
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wtf what city is this?
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Rotterdam, one of the paltry examples people throw out to make the Luftwaffe seem more powerful and threating than it actually was.
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>Germany bombs a city
Hitler did it.
>America bombs a city
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Well he did start it.
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He started a war with Poland. The World War was started by Britain and France.
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Hi Pat Buchanan
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Because the only stuff left standing is the strong stuff that was made to last
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And, just to clarify, things looked best in the late Renaissance and early seventeenth century. Western aesthetics never really recovered after the Thirty Years’ War.
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>*after the 1910s
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Why is architecture the one place where this board spergs out and abandons its stance on things need to be built with a purpose, when brutalism is designed for function and function only?
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>why can’t you just accept to live in a shitty place where everything looks liks freaking trash?
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One thing these people have right, though, is that there’s a plenty of building in cities being done with the aim of cheap living space fir the ever-growing populace. What they fail to understand is that oftentimes this has little to do with actual architecture, but instead the buildings that make up a lot of living space in cities are designed by construction companies with minimal art interference.
I never said brutalism isn’t ugly, but if if you care about practicality then that’s basically the definition of it.
Yea i literally can’t tell the difference between Tokyo and Paris.
Well that’s a lie because of how much neon Tokyo has
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because beauty and the mental health for people around the building is in itself a purpose and important function
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LULZ used to have rather reasonable debates on postmodernist architecture, the board just got an influx of tourists this past year, who seem to strongly cling to various forms of tradition for the sake of ‘aesthetic’, without really analyzing that thought further. You don’t need to go much further back in the archives to find decent discussion on the reasons behind brutalism, so things will likely return to how they used to be when the traditionalists decide to move on.
One thing these people have right, though, is that there’s a plenty of building in cities being done with the aim of cheap living space fir the ever-growing populace. What they fail to understand is that oftentimes this has little to do with actual architecture, but instead the buildings that make up a lot of living space in cities are designed by construction companies with minimal art interference.
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The logical end result of functionalism in architecture is every town and city one Earth looking the same no matter where you are. Sure, it’s inevitable as global cultural diversity declines over the next century, but you can lick my nuts if you expect my to be happy. The abolition of tradition, rituals, and "waste" is tantamount to the abolition of life itself.
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Yea i literally can’t tell the difference between Tokyo and Paris.
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Compare buildings built in the last 20 years in both places and see how easily you can distinguish.
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Literally the only thing that would give me the slightest problem are deconstructivist monuments.
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Ok, tell us, how can you tell whether this is Tokyo or Paris?
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I’d be surprised if it was either.
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But that picture is from Oslo?
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It’s Paris but I know that because I’ve been to that park. And while some parts of tokyo use postmodern architecture, then you also get shit like this.
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Also even their blocky architecture is iconic. Everyone knows the Tokyo Metropolitan Government Building, it’s been there since
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Since the 1980s, I meant to say before I hit shift-enter by mistake and auto-posted.
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