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    • #50568
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      Why did everything look better in the past?

    • #50569
      Anonymous
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      • #50570
        Anonymous
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      • #50578
        Anonymous
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        Isn’t that the just the world fair or whatever it’s called lmao?

        • #50606
          Anonymous
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          Yeah, it is. The Eiffel tower was created as part of the World Fair and was never meant to be a permanent structure. Crazy that the most recognized landmark in the whole world was created just for fun basically.

          • #50609
            Anonymous
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            Everyone is fully clothed, now you would see more bare skin than clothing.

      • #50595
        Anonymous
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        You have nostalgia for this time that is misplaced. Two things always come to mind in these threads, one is that they don’t take photos of the slums that are in these old European cities. And the other is that it isn’t practical to make buildings with facades like that, the maintenance of those things is crazy.

        Pretty sure all these world’s fair structures are designed to be temporary, they look like stone but its all wood and plaster.

        • #50653
          Anonymous
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          The slums are infested by gypsies.

    • #50571
      Anonymous
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      It didn’t

      • #50572
        Anonymous
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        proof? show me a picture of a city that has not degenerated

        • #50655
          Anonymous
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          >degenerated
          into the trash

          • #50704
            Anonymous
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            >muh degeneracy
            Go back to screeching about trannies on /poo/.

            "Degenerated" as used to refer to the decline of modern architecture is not the same as "degenerate" as used to refer to a specific person or subculture. You know that these are real words, right? They weren’t invented by your /poo/ boogeymen and any normal person not obsessed with /poo/ would find no fault whatsoever with the use of the word to refer to the transition between the contrast between the pictures OP provided.

            How else would you describe it? Decline? It doesn’t really capture the essence of the trend. "Degenerated" is the most apt word and you need to seriously reexamine your life if you’ve become such a sperg that you’re modifying your vocabulary to avoid the use of words that you once saw used by people you disagree with politically.

            • #50710
              Anonymous
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              Decline fits just fine.

        • #50699
          Anonymous
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          >muh degeneracy
          Go back to screeching about trannies on /poo/.

        • #50719
          Anonymous
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          most Chinese cities tbh, you’re unironically witnessing the decay of an existing world hegemon (the US and the West be extension) and the rise of another (China), which is why everything now looks degen compared to the past

    • #50573
      Anonymous
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      Top is more expensive to build, to clean, and to maintain.

      • #50574
        Anonymous
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        and it looked 1000x better and made for more pleasant cities. shame no one cares about that anymore

        • #50579
          Anonymous
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          True. I wish there were some firms that still specialized in making those types of buildings.

        • #50635
          Anonymous
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          if you don’t realize that the cities you’re thinking of were full of raw sewage, urchins, and horse shit idk what to tell you

          • #50652
            Anonymous
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            Bullshit. The whole point of Haussmans work was to make the city clean and modern, and if anything he made the city more beautiful.

            Top is more expensive to build, to clean, and to maintain.

            False, stone buildings only need to be cleaned every couple of years because of car traffic. Once cars turn electric it will become a much less frequent issue. In comparison concrete buildings from the post brick and mortar era now need entire new façades to isolate them, extensive work to prevent leakages and concrete rot etc.

            […]

            The real reason is purely ideological and woke af on the rejection of ornementation of any kind, theorized by Loos and applied by the Bauhaus architects and Le Corbusier in particular. Man is seen as just a cog in the machine which needs nothing more to live a good life than access to leisure and clean life environment. Beauty is seen as purely subjective and therefore can be changed If the subjects are conditioned properly. Therefore older “beautiful” ornemental architecture is no longer required to enjoy one’s daily surroundings.
            Problem is this works like communism : unless all capitalist states are destroyed communism can’t really work. In the same way, until all ornamented buildings are destroyed, they will always be instinctively viewed as more agreable to look at than non ornemental buildings, whatever their quality (because beauty is actually not truly subjective, something in ornementation appeals to the human mind on a subconscious level).

            So anyway, with all our modern building techniques, ornementation could easily come back into vogue from a technical point of view and not cost much more than the non-ornemental non-vernacular architecture we have to contend with today, but the architectural industry is firmly ideologically controlled by the anti-ornamentalists, supported by the concrete industry (for obvious reasons) and the real estate development industry (Because they are so used to the current system).

    • #50575
      Anonymous
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      Globalized homogenized

    • #50576
      Anonymous
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      because architecture used to be about proper aesthetics, now it’s about vomiting out bullshit

    • #50583
      Anonymous
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      Because the white devil didn’t invent modern medicine yet, causing population booms that require commieblocks

      • #50590
        Anonymous
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        Vacines and anti-biotics should have never been invented.

        • #50591
          Anonymous
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          Because the top pic is the result of several centuries of building, while the bottom pic is the result of rebuilding in like 10 years after WWII.

    • #50584
      Anonymous
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      Because time and money was spent on making things look pleasant. Now the main concern is how cheaply something can be done. Ornamentation is in the trash and I hate it.

      • #50585
        Anonymous
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        That’s a cope and you know it, monuments where money is no concern don’t get ornamted either these days.

        • #50587
          Anonymous
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          It’s not a cope, I’m just talking about general architectural style in the western world. You’re right that monuments aren’t heavily ornamented either but the overall movement has been away from ornamentation towards standardized modular shit because it’s cheap. And that informed how we design everything.

          • #50589
            Anonymous
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            Cheapness wasn’t invented yesterday

        • #50592
          Anonymous
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          >monuments where money is no concern
          no such thing. even if the state is paying for it, they’re paying for it

    • #50588
      Anonymous
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      because the average "person" doesnt care about reality

    • #50596
      Anonymous
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      >Why did everything look better in the past?

      • #50597
        Anonymous
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        >EVERYTHING WAS BETTER

        • #50598
          Anonymous
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          >AESTHETIC

          • #50630
            Anonymous
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            >EVERYTHING WAS BETTER

            >Why did everything look better in the past?

            when even the slums in the past look better than what you’re doing now, you know you’re doing something wrong

          • #50741
            Anonymous
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            what? this would easily pass as a tourist area in modern times

        • #50708
          Anonymous
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          I did a double take because this is the spitting image of about half my city, in the capitol region of NY current year. It was not always so, things took a REAL nosedive in the 80’s and the corrupt city council been tearing down many of our historic buildings since then.

        • #50777
          Anonymous
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          It was.

      • #50599
        Anonymous
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        >EVERYTHING WAS BETTER

        Yeah this, you can’t even drink the water in these cities 100 years ago.

      • #50600
        Anonymous
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        >EVERYTHING WAS BETTER

        >AESTHETIC

        ya no shit there were slums, but why can’t the good parts still look good? why has everything been degraded into this post modern bland mess that makes every city feel like a sterile nightmare?

        • #50602
          Anonymous
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          in europe because firstly it would have cost far too much to rebuild after ww2 rather than just try something new and cheaper, and secondly because both in the west and in the USSR, people were driven to look forwards not backwards

          That second one is the most pertinent – both in the west and the east the desire was for novelty, futuristic design and new materials. That’s why glass and concrete took over from stone and wood. It looks dated to us but it looked cutting edge back then (and had the advantage of being cheaper)

          Looking backwards for inspiration is a new thing, because throughout most of history humans imagine the future to look and feel different and better. There’s a creeping dread in most countries now that pushes people to hold on to old, traditional things rather than look to novelty.

          • #50605
            Anonymous
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            >Looking backwards for inspiration is a new thing, because throughout most of history humans imagine the future to look and feel different and better

            >What is neoclassicism?
            >What is neogothicism?
            Anon, "looking forward" is a post-WW2 thing. Every previous era has attempted to get back to some superior past, whether real or imagined.

            • #50612
              Anonymous
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              Looking forward was rather a 19th and early to mid 20th century thing.
              Pic related are is the scroteus factory built in 1911.

              […]

              Most of these old structures were actually torn down (if they were permanent at all) because they weren’t seen as beautiful but incredibly tacky by mid 20th century standards, similarly to McMansion and many other mediocre pieces of modern architecture, plus all the usual problems that arise from aging buildings.

              • #50615
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                • #50617
                  Anonymous
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                  >t. never been to Detroit

                  Guess what, you can Google earth and see for yourself how bad it is. It is really bad. Up there with Baltimore. And that’s coming from a Cleveland-er.

                  • #50633
                    Anonymous
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                    Is Cleveland actually that horrible? I was under the impression that it was a bland place to live in but not a ghetto warzone.

                    • #50634
                      Anonymous
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                      i think it’s an increasingly poor city. detroitifying if you will

                  • #50773
                    Anonymous
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                    Detroit is on an entirely different level of shitty compared to Baltimore.

                • #50619
                  Anonymous
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                  >Isn’t midtown Detroit pretty much fine and it’s only the suburbs within city limits that are so awful?
                  Honestly I don’t know that much about Detroit, other than the main problems are de-industrialization and urban decay. But I bet its better than the early industrial places like turn of the century Europe and modern India.

                  • #50620
                    Anonymous
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                    i’d honestly rather live in parts of india than detroit. it’s awful

                    • #50622
                      Anonymous
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                      I mean, you can’t breathe the air in Delhi, you can’t drink the water in the taps. Surely it cannot be that bad in Detroit.

                      • #50683
                        Anonymous
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                        Water and air is fine in Detroit. Much else is the problem.

                  • #50774
                    Anonymous
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                    I can think of a couple other major problems besides deindustrialization and urban decay. Pretty much every Western city has had to deindustrialize, yet very few are as shitty as Detroit.

                • #50682
                  Anonymous
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                  Detroit population 1960 = 1.8M
                  Detroit population 2020 = 0.6M
                  We would clearly intuit the situation in Detroit from that alone.

                  • #50715
                    Anonymous
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                    I’m talking about mid- and downtown in 2020 and those areas are doing relatively fine from what I know compared to the shitfest the rest of the city is.

            • #50636
              Anonymous
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              >Every previous era has attempted to get back to some superior past, whether real or imagined.
              This statement is so racked with hyperbole and overgeneralization that I don’t know where to begin. You can’t just make appeals to history without doing history, anon.

            • #50696
              Anonymous
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              >What is neoclassicism?
              >What is neogothicism?
              Styles that everyone in the era got so tired of and tought of as soulless that were becoming rejected in favor of art nouveau, 19th century modernism and then 20th century modernism.

              • #50697
                Anonymous
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                Well whoever decided that was wrong, we need to go back

                • #50701
                  Anonymous
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                  Whoever decided it was people that tought just like you, that the modern world is soulless and fetichized the world of before. Time is a circle and you’re just living in the age of the decline in (post)modernism just like they were back in the decline of neoclassical.

                  • #50713
                    Anonymous
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                    They didn’t fetishize the world before, they were looking for a new modern style and they failed horribly. I don’t think everything old is good or worth saving, but it’s so obvious we used to know how to build a nice place to live and we’ve somehow lost the art

                    • #50721
                      Anonymous
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                      I’m talking of what came after neoclassicism and historicisms specifically, the modernists of the 19th century fetichized the medieval world heavily alongside nature and rejected those styles alongside the increasing industrialization of architecture. The modernists of the 20th century took a different approach that at the time seemed great but now it’s run it’s course and looks awful to us on the same way.

          • #50616
            Anonymous
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            They looked back during the Renaissance and it worked well. Looking back isn’t that novel and I think the return to it is logical given how disastrous attempts at establishing new culture have been

    • #50614
      Anonymous
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      World War 2 saw the destruction of an ENORMOUS amount of European buildings (as well as artifacts, art, money, human life, and everything else that you could imagine). WW1 did as well, but the aircraft technology was a little more primitive in the 1910s compared to the 1940s. The destruction caused by WW2 was on a whole new level. WW1 was a turning point for war, in a greater sense. This was the first time in history where soldiers could FLY to your house and BOMB your shit. It must’ve been absolutely terrifying to the average citizen, who were more accustomed to the idea that battles were fought far away in a field. Planes and bombs changed the world forever. Sackings of towns and cities happened pre-WW1, but never to such a level where houses and normal people could be completely demolished by a few soldiers.

      • #50642
        Anonymous
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        stop it anon, my dick can only get so hard

      • #50654
        Anonymous
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        That’s a meme, only a small portion of London was destroyed and some countries left untouched like Switzerland still fell for the concrete cube meme.

        Parisian architecure only started getting replaced by non-vernacular meme boxes from the late 60s onwards. It has nothing to do with bombing runs or money.

    • #50618
      Anonymous
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      because once upon a time towns were designed to be walked in an enjoyed sinec you would spend most of your day there. now towns are designed to be driven to and interacted with for as little as possible before you drive back home

      • #50626
        Anonymous
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        That’s an American problem. Still insanity Americans keep building like that.

        • #50628
          Anonymous
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          they’ll never stop building this way. they don’t know anything different. they think it’s normal for cities to be deserted unlivable messes

          • #50675
            Anonymous
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            Completely wrong, now we build like this.

            • #50694
              Anonymous
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              While there’s problems with this style of apartment as well, it’s still a massive improvement over what we were doing previously. The suburbs can’t be allowed to bloat anymore

      • #50647
        Anonymous
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        I-i-is that B-Breezewood, PA? AHHHHHHHHHHHH I’M GOING INSANE SAVE ME NWORDMAN

      • #50649
        Anonymous
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        Unironically cars are one of the biggest contributing factors towards the breakdown of community and and a lot of modern social woes

    • #50625
      Anonymous
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      old thing good
      new thing bad
      pointy tips good
      straight lines bad
      retvrn to trvdition

    • #50632
      Anonymous
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      Amerishart version

      • #50660
        Anonymous
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        Thats kind of true actually, even mcdonalds buildings just 30 years ago used to look way friendlier and like they were actually trying to make then ook decent. Now they look like commieblocks…

      • #50680
        Anonymous
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        They got rid of Ronald McDonald and all the kids characters. Modern McDonalds is somewhere even more souless than it was in the 90s.

    • #50637
      Anonymous
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      Just wish we could return to a more noble time like pic related

      • #50687
        Anonymous
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        That’s the link building.

      • #50766
        Anonymous
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        Its a decent building unironically.
        It does not look like much when your driving past it though.

    • #50640
      Anonymous
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      Is it practical to combine cheap, low-maintenance, and visually appealing by using modern materials?

      • #50645
        Anonymous
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        Sure, just look at what art nouveau and deco were doing

        • #50678
          Anonymous
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          >art nouveau
          >low-maintenance

          • #50688
            Anonymous
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            Ain’t higher maintenance than concrete cancer

    • #50656
      Anonymous
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      Oh man why don’t we keep these crumbling old builds around, they are totally aesthetic and functional.

      • #50657
        Anonymous
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        I don’t know why you are complaning, that’s a durable as fuck building.

        • #50658
          Anonymous
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          pfff they literally have to brace these buildings so they don’t fall over on people.

          • #50670
            Anonymous
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            imagine trying to roll that up in a wheelchair

          • #50743
            Anonymous
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            comfy

          • #50769
            Anonymous
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            Nice bait not even mentioning the fact it’s southern Italian it’s obviously old as shit and poorly maintained

      • #50661
        Anonymous
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        >build a carboard american house instead, goyim, for a hefty price of course

        • #50662
          Anonymous
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          you know I always thought living in a house with built in plumbing and electricity was a gnomish conspiracy.

          • #50663
            Anonymous
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            >plumbing and electricity can only be added in carboard cucksheds goyim
            So why does my uncles aesthetic oldcity Catanian apartment have plumbing and electricity? It was comfy asf last time I stayed there

        • #50669
          Anonymous
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          >build a large and modern structure, probably on a usable lot and with a garage too
          Why do poors start to seethe when offered this?

          • #50693
            Anonymous
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            Because you can only build such a thing 15 miles out into the suburbs, at least 10 miles away from the nearest grocery store or center of commerce, away from anything that makes a town actually worth living in

            • #50722
              Anonymous
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              Sounds good to me.

          • #50744
            Anonymous
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            looks utterly shit and boring

      • #50686
        Anonymous
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        Try getting modern HVAC, electricity, water and sewer into those elderly structures.

      • #50742
        Anonymous
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        Yep, looks aesthetic, atmospheric and gothic (not in the architectural sense). 10/10 would live in and write poetry about.

    • #50664
      Anonymous
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      >Some architect said form should never ever come before function

      >another architect took that to mean buildings should be ugly and hard to navigate

      >corporations realized they could now make buildings with the cheapest materials without having to understand how to use local space or match local culture

      Basically modern art and modern capitalism teamed up to ugly up every city.

    • #50666
      Anonymous
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      Built to last, but not for modern convinces.
      Tragedy

    • #50667
      Anonymous
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      Because the past bombed the shit out of itself

    • #50671
      Anonymous
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      We’re in the dawn of cyberpunk.

    • #50681
      Anonymous
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      A loss of optimism, rejection of life, and growing time preference in Western (globo-homo) culture. The construction and maintainence of classic architectural works was an intergenerational task and, fundamentally, investment in that cultural future. Now, we are no longer optimistic about the future, but deeply cynical. Further, we increasingly reject producing children to secure a future, and instead turn to immediate, novel, and transient lowest common demoninator solutions in the form of trashy globo-architecture with no distinctness.

      We will not restore traditional styles until the current zeitgeist dies, and perhaps much of humanity with it, and a new and newly optimistic and expansive order replaces it.

      • #50684
        Anonymous
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        shitskins introduce/produce cannibalism. optimism/futurism and aesthetics is a white thing

        Optimistic mid-century predictions about the Fordist future could easily come true if the West hadn’t chosen globalism and send our industries overseas.

        Because White nations have regressed into liberal shitholes. The 3rd worlders that we waste all our time and energy on only care about McDonald’s and Made in China.

        US technology corporations got sabotaged — then the oligarchs exported all our legacy technology manufacture to China and keep forcing the same shit down our throats as upgrading would reset the economy and the oligarchs can’t have that.

        That’s what capitalists claim. We will continue to let Asia and LatAm copy our past until we all become equally shitty. They’ll just copy everything from us once they inheret the West and everything will be shit again. The real problem is that they will never advance beyond where we are now once they run out of other societies to copy everything from.

        In reality, the neoliberalism killed the West in 2001, the globalists (bush/soros/bloomberg etc..) propped up its carcass with importing millions of particpants to the ponzi, until it all blew up again in 2008.

        The arrival of neoliberal anti-Fordist capitalism lead to a culture of cannibalizing the past & pastiche.

        The future was in the past, it died with the murder of Fordism.

        • #50685
          Anonymous
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          >shitskins introduce/produce cannibalism. optimism/futurism and aesthetics is a white thing
          White man thing, women don’t have this concept.
          Its evolutionary thing.

        • #50716
          Anonymous
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          > send our industries overseas.
          Those industries died due to automation and mechanization drastically increasing productivity, outsourcing was only a secondary cause.

          • #50718
            Anonymous
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            Then why did/do those industries employ literally hundreds of millions in China?
            It’s true you’ll probably never see another River Rouge complex employing 200K people in a single factory in America, but to pretend offshoring had nothing to do with it is stupid, if all those industries suddenly re-opened in America, even though they wouldn’t employ anywhere near as many people as they did in China, there wouldn’t be enough workers.
            Automation if anything is driving onshoring, since it seriously reduces China’s one advantage: dirt cheap labour.

            • #50739
              Anonymous
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              >Then why did/do those industries employ literally hundreds of millions in China?
              Because Chinese labor costs used to be extremely low, so that even with antique production methods you still turn a reliable profit. Same reason so much stuff was made in Korea during the 80s and 90s and in Japan during the 70s and 60s.

    • #50689
      Anonymous
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      Globohomo promotes rootlessness and soullessness. Bodies are to be interchangeable and movable, and should have no roots or soulful connection to… anything. Stripping cultural and social cohesion is important to this end. Whatever the architecture, it must first serve to fragment the transient bodies (temporarily) associated with it. It must be sterile and emotionally barren. None of it should serve as an anchor in any form, lest transience be lost.

      You think this space is useful to you. It’s not. The net-net is negative, to all but globohomo.

      • #50690
        Anonymous
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        So communism and capitalist’s are best buddies?

        • #50695
          Anonymous
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          communism and globohomo, yes

          • #50703
            Anonymous
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            Capitalists export globohomo. Nice cope you garden gnome wageslave.

        • #50709
          Anonymous
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          You mean "communism" and "capitalism"?

          Yes.

    • #50700
      Anonymous
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      it didn’t, its just that we preferentially kept the stuff from the past that looked particularly good while the vast majority of things which were trash were allowed to be replaced

    • #50712
      Anonymous
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      Old cameras had better dept of view

    • #50714
      Anonymous
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      May have to do with bombs on the Ruhr area in the case of OP’s pic

    • #50724
      Anonymous
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      In the past rich kids didn’t work. The were the idle rich.
      One day, rich kids decided they wanted to "contribute" to society, by which they mean to hoarde good career prospects and hand it to each other in spite of their merits.
      Now, we live in a word in which every rich kid "works" and all of them fare well and get sweet gigs because of, sorry in spite of, their traits and skills. When they do it in law, finances, academia, etc, you don’t see it, because you need to know about law finances, etc, to see wrongness in it. But when they do it in architecture you see it, because everyone has the universal sense of aesthetics that we all share. That’s why (you see that) architecture was better in the past, without (seeing) that everything elese was better in the past, before the relevant post were occupied with worthless rich kids that have gotten there in spite of their traits and skills, instead of the middle class geniuses that occupied those post before rich kids decided that they wanted to "contribute" to society and "work".

    • #50725
      Anonymous
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      Because Hitler bombed everything to the ground or caused his own country to be bombed

      • #50727
        Anonymous
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        >Because the RAF and USAF bombed everything to the ground in Europe*

      • #50728
        Anonymous
        Guest

        wtf what city is this?

        • #50729
          Anonymous
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          Rotterdam, one of the paltry examples people throw out to make the Luftwaffe seem more powerful and threating than it actually was.

      • #50732
        Anonymous
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        >Germany bombs a city
        Hitler did it.
        >America bombs a city
        Hitler did it.

        • #50733
          Anonymous
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          Well he did start it.

          • #50757
            Anonymous
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            He started a war with Poland. The World War was started by Britain and France.

            • #50768
              Anonymous
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              Hi Pat Buchanan

    • #50726
      Anonymous
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      Because the only stuff left standing is the strong stuff that was made to last

    • #50731
      Anonymous
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      And, just to clarify, things looked best in the late Renaissance and early seventeenth century. Western aesthetics never really recovered after the Thirty Years’ War.

      • #50735
        Anonymous
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        >*after the 1910s

    • #50748
      Anonymous
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      Why is architecture the one place where this board spergs out and abandons its stance on things need to be built with a purpose, when brutalism is designed for function and function only?

    • #50770
      Anonymous
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      Anemoia

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