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    • #70632
      Anonymous
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      Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival?

    • #70633
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because muscles are attractive to other men.

      • #70646
        Anonymous
        Guest

        scrote, fuck off.

      • #70723
        Anonymous
        Guest

        this

    • #70634
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Well, the environment is not the same everywhere.

      Competition with other tribes is also a thing, perhaps you want more muscles to defend yourself.

    • #70635
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It signals good access to food. Same with big tits and ass for women.

      • #70656
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival?
        >nearly starving to death every year is optimal physique
        impossibly false

        >Same with big tits and ass for women
        No there is universal hip to waist ratio preference across all cultures and too much fat distorts it. Fat is not a fitness signal like muscle, it can somewhat be a culturally programmed attraction though it seems.

        • #70657
          Anonymous
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          They aren’t nearly starving to death every year.

        • #70662
          Anonymous
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          >nearly starving to death every year is optimal physique
          >Fat is not a fitness signal like muscle
          Disregard this poster, he smokes cock and is an absolute know-nothing scrotebrain

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynoid_fat_distribution

          • #70716
            Anonymous
            Guest

            this. fat distribution in specific areas that signal mating ability

          • #70726
            Anonymous
            Guest

            this. fat distribution in specific areas that signal mating ability

            >posts wikitardia article thinking it makes him correct
            >ignores it’s entirely referencing fat distribution ratio instead of amount of fat itself, which was the argument
            Men are not attracted to fat, they are attracted to where the body stores fat, dumbass. Old women can have the same amount of fat as when they were younger, but it goes more to their waist and looks more androgynous and men don’t find that attractive, ergo fat itself is meaningless and not a fitness indicator like I said. Your wiki scrotebrain link only lists a single theory btw as to why men are attracted to fatty breasts, there are many other theories.
            https://www.livescience.com/23500-why-men-love-breasts.html

            They may not even be an indicator of fitness. They may signal a "target" for men that creates better pair bonding with the woman if he fondles them, thus it’s preferable to choose women with larger breasts because they may end up pair bonding with you more. The same way people like blue eyes: they are pointless in terms of fitness, but they show pupil dilation better and that helps with pair bonding.

            • #70730
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Men are not attracted to fat
              They literally are though. They are attracted to gynoid fat.
              >they are attracted to where the body stores fat, dumbass
              Which still means they are attracted to fat scrotebrain, a specific form of fat but fat no less. You’re arguing semantics because you don’t want to admit you were wrong when saying "Fat is not a fitness signal like muscle." By your dumbass logic, humans aren’t attracted to muscle either (which is actually true), they are attracted to where the body stores muscle. Because having excessive cardiac muscle or smooth muscle isn’t a fitness signal lmao. Bodies need some amount of body fat percentage to appear attractive. Too little fat is just as unattractive as too much fat. And women have higher body fat percentages than men. Females with some fat in their thighs, bottoms, hips, and breast are attractive and seen as feminine. Just because men don’t find 500 pound hamplanets attractive doesn’t mean they don’t like fat in the same way that someone who likes music probably would not enjoy listening to music at excessive sound volumes.

              • #70739
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Which still means they are attracted to fat scrotebrain, a specific form of fat but fat no less
                You have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old

                >You’re arguing semantics
                Not at all. I gave the mechanism behind my argument: fat distribution that may or may not signal fitness, but not fat itself. I was not saying "oh this word means XYZ so I’m right"

                >By your dumbass logic, humans aren’t attracted to muscle either (which is actually true), they are attracted to where the body stores muscle
                You are freaking scrotebrained and did not make a proper analogy whatsoever. Women are attracted to muscular biceps even you if have chicken legs. Same with exclusively muscular calves or abs and nothing else. Men are not attracted to flabby fat arms or cankles, or belly fat on women because men are not attracted to fat, we are attracted to where the body stores fat, (hips ass and breast).

                >Bodies need some amount of body fat percentage to appear attractive
                Meaningless statement. Not looking sickly does not automatically mean you do look attractive.

                I already laid out that if a woman has an androgynous distribution of fat it’s not considered attractive, proving that we are not attracted to fat, but rather how the body distributes fat. It’s understandable you fully ignored this argument because it entirely proves my point in the most objective way possible so you must pretend I didn’t say it.

                >Females with some fat in their thighs, bottoms, hips, and breast are attractive and seen as feminine
                What about cankles, arms and belly huh? Did you forget those are part of human anatomy too???

                • #70743
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  sis just admit you were wrong and that your logic is heavily flawed.
                  >did not make a proper analogy whatsoever
                  It completely is and illustrates why your logic is scrotebrained. Your whole argument is that fat isn’t attractive because it’s about how it’s distributed instead. By that logic, men don’t find a female’s lush silky long flowing hair attractive because "hurr wut if that bootyful flowing hair is distributed onto her poopyhole durr." Motherfucker, see how scrotebrained you sound? No shit distribution matters but that applies to literally every trait and would mean that nothing can be considered attractive by itself because everything can be positioned around the body in the wrong place. And gynoid fat is different from other types of fat tissues because it contains more long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids which are crucial for brain development in the fetus and influences the IQ for later in its life. Gynoid fat has smaller but more adipocytes compared to android fat and estrogen plays a role in the different distribution of fat females have compared to males, storing it preferentially in the lower body and breasts. Fat in females is attractive because carrying a child and nursing the child requires a lot of energy which the fat is perfect for.
                  >Women are attracted to muscular biceps even you if have chicken legs. Same with exclusively muscular calves or abs and nothing else.
                  Lol no how the muscles proportion the body matters. A woman would just laugh at a man with extremely disproportionate muscles so distribution matters. Oops I guess you blew your own argument the fuck out.
                  >Men are not attracted to flabby fat arms or cankles, or belly fat on women because men are not attracted to fat, we are attracted to where the body stores fat, (hips ass and breast).
                  No shit because if she is storing fat in those areas she is probably obese.
                  >Not looking sickly does not automatically mean you do look attractive.
                  Yes but your attractiveness would be higher.

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                  • #70755
                    Anonymous
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                    >Lol no how the muscles proportion the body matters. A woman would just laugh at a man with extremely disproportionate muscles so distribution matters. Oops I guess you blew your own argument the fuck out.
                    Not at all you absolute scrotebrain. Women still think the big arms themselves look good but wish they had legs to balance out. There is no circumstance where cankles look good themselves. Youre100% wrong.

                    >By that logic, men don’t find a female’s lush hair
                    why would you make up a second analogy if the first one was right? Oh yeah it wasn’t

                    >hair is distributed onto her ass
                    HAHAHA you perma virgin. Women naturally do have hair around their poopyholes. If you were not a 24-7 porn consuming coombrain you would know this. It’s not unattractive in the sense men are naturally turned off from it. You have reprogrammed yourself to think hair on women below the neck is weird because you look at so many airbrushed women and shaved poopyholes. The EXACT same way men today find hair on women’s legs gross but at one point did not care.

                    Long hair outside the head is not biolgically fit btw because it will tangle on things and get pulled out, be a larger target for predators, get stuff stuck to it etc, so your nonsense "long lush hair on poopyhole" argument is again, a false and wrong analogy exposing you are a complete moron. It’s just long enough to dissipate heat and that’s it.

                    >No shit because if she is storing fat in those areas she is probably obese.
                    ROFL you hypocrite.. above you implied women take in the whole picture looking at big arms vs skinny legs but men don’t for fat on arms??? Old women have flappy arms (it’s rare on younger women who are not obse but it happens) and healthy BMI women can have cankles at any age.
                    Wrong again

                    >Yes but your attractiveness would be higher.
                    Bare minimum health is not attractive, its neutral. Women don’t even notice orbiters like you for instance bc less repulsive =! more attractive if you’re not attractive at all.

                    • #70757
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      I’m not leaving this thread until you concede defeat and admit that you were wrong dipshit. It’s such a stupid hill for you to die on.
                      >Women still think the big arms themselves look good but wish they had legs to balance out.
                      No they would laugh at those proportions. Distribution matters.
                      >There is no circumstance where cankles look good themselves
                      No shit because they would probably be obese if they have cankles.
                      >why would you make up a second analogy if the first one was right? Oh yeah it wasn’t
                      Because you were too stupid to get the first one lol
                      >HAHAHA you perma virgin. Women naturally do have hair around their poopyholes.
                      Yes, as most mammals, humans have hair over most of their body. But that is still beside the point that longer, thicker hair being found anywhere else on the body where it would be viewed as unattractive does not make the hair on the top of the head itself unrelated to attractiveness because what’s attractive is distribution and nothing more.
                      >If you were not a 24-7 porn consuming coombrain you would know this.
                      Bite me
                      >It’s not unattractive in the sense men are naturally turned off from it. You have reprogrammed yourself to think hair on women below the neck is weird because you look at so many airbrushed women and shaved poopyholes. The EXACT same way men today find hair on women’s legs gross but at one point did not care.
                      I guess the trend in humans losing body hair over time is arbitrary and that humans shave, trim, wax their hair for reasons unrelated to attractiveness, huh.
                      >so your nonsense "long lush hair on poopyhole" argument is again, a false and wrong analogy exposing you are a complete moron.
                      Um no honey that’s just simply not correct. Fat, just like hair, distributed to the wrong areas is also unhealthy so unfortunately you have again failed to counter my argument-destroying analogies. Just give up, it’s so much easier 🙂

                      • #70760
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >I’m not leaving this thread until you concede
                        I already won you are just in denial
                        >they would laugh at those proportions
                        Strawman. They find the feature attractive not the proportion. Nobody ever finds cankles attractive no matter the proportion.
                        >No shit because they would probably be obese if they have cankles
                        scrotebrain I said even if not obese they’re gross

                        >Because you were too stupid to get the first one
                        So you wasted time with a second one? lol no you just abandoned it because you realized it was terrible and invented a "better" one that might work. It doesn’t

                        >But that is still beside the point that longer, thicker hair being found anywhere else on the body where it would be viewed as unattractive does not make the hair on the top of the head itself unrelated to attractiveness because what’s attractive is distribution and nothing more
                        This analogy is also invalid because the same amount of hair itself can be healthy or not. You are even qualifying it with "thicker" or "lush" hair. There is no such thing as "thicker, lush" fat that is more attractive. Ergo fat is entirely dependent on distribution and nothing more meaning fat itself is not attractive.

                        >trend in humans losing body hair over time is arbitrary and that humans shave, trim, wax their hair for reasons unrelated to attractiveness, huh.
                        We need some hair for heat dissipation. Take basic biology you scrotebrain there is no continual trend where we will be as hairless as babies.

                        >. Fat, just like hair, distributed to the wrong areas is also unhealth
                        Cankles or extra fat on arms is not "unheathy" if you have healthy bmi you idiot stop pulling every single thing you say out of your ass.

                        >failed to counter my argument-destroying analogies. Just give
                        You are delusionally pathetic I"m not even reading your newscrote second posts bc you are so hilariously wrong. Everybody knows if you have to waste time with two posts you are just rambling bc you have no argument like some idiot redditor

                    • #70758
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >above you implied women take in the whole picture looking at big arms vs skinny legs but men don’t for fat on arms???
                      Yes this is true, how is that hypocritical
                      >Old women have flappy arms (it’s rare on younger women who are not obse but it happens)
                      Menopause
                      >healthy BMI women can have cankles at any age
                      Depends on the degree of the canklage. It’s not an issue for most healthy BMI women.
                      >Bare minimum health is not attractive, its neutral.
                      I wasn’t talking about absolute attractiveness but comparative attractiveness. Anyway none of this is relevant in defending your counterarguments from being figuratively curb stomped. I called out your stupid statement that "fat is not a fitness signal" and you’ve only dug your hole deeper by throwing out arguments that have been clinically dismantled every step of the way to the point where you don’t have any left to save your sorry brainlet ass from the final realization of complete defeat. Now please take a seat.

                • #70744
                  Anonymous
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                  >I already laid out that if a woman has an androgynous distribution of fat it’s not considered attractive, proving that we are not attracted to fat, but rather how the body distributes fat. It’s understandable you fully ignored this argument because it entirely proves my point in the most objective way possible so you must pretend I didn’t say it.
                  Except men are attracted to females with fat because it signals they have more energy reserves for birthing children. You are trying to argue that because the extremes of a trait aren’t considered attractive, the trait itself isn’t attractive, which is an erroneous line of reasoning that I am trying to help you understand. That if you take an attractive trait, in this case fat, and move it to another area it suddenly stops being attractive. This faulty line of reasoning with positioning can be applied to every trait along with size and shape. Estrogen plays a role in storing fat in the lower body and breasts, so by arguing that because an abnormality in the way a normally attractive trait is displayed, the trait itself cannot be attractive. Another example you can think of is in the presentation of food. A waiter walks up to your table and hands you your meal, except the fries are not where you want them to be, they have been dumped in the cup of soda instead of spread out on the plate. Your argument is that the fries themselves cannot be considered delicious because if they are displayed or positioned in an unappealing spot like in the cup of soda, or with fat on the waist, it’s no longer attractive and thus positioning is what must solely make it attractive. I mean I don’t know how I can lay it down any simpler for your apparent peanut brain to understand. The fat on a female’s bottom is an amazing thing and you arguing the fat itself is not attractive because if it’s on her cankles it’s no longer attractive doesn’t make grabbing and playing with that booty fat any less attractive you dumbass scrote.

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          • #70745
            Anonymous
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            Fasting and low carb diet and active lifestyle will get you to 120+ years old which is why there are so many myths and histories of people living that long. Going 12-24 hours between meals induces autophagy mechanisms which exert repairitive and anticancer effects. A fat landwhale like the Venus would have died from am infection or naturally in her 40s for being in such terrible shape. The only people who shill this shit are usually obese women and mentally ill men who have them as their "SO".

            • #70748
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Completely wrong. "carnivore" scrote cope.

    • #70636
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >optimal survival physique
      >needs several space programs of Aid to survive to adulthood.

      Nah

    • #70637
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >optimal physique for survival

      • #70641
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >trardigrade
        >not optimal physique
        That body is perfect.

    • #70638
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      >but there were no bodybuilding type bodies because nature doesn’t care about your aesthetic phisique
      This, even when when evolution will fince balance between sexual and ecological selection.
      >pic related
      Chad dwarf.

      • #70639
        Anonymous
        Guest

        *will find

      • #70640
        Anonymous
        Guest

        he is 185 cm ~6ft 1…

        • #70642
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Just chad then.

    • #70643
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Get the stonetoss comic

    • #70644
      Anonymous
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      i think we’re more attracted to bones

    • #70645
      Anonymous
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      Because young men in the 80’s and 90’s grew up seeing caricatured masculinity in the form of Schwarzenegger and Stallone action films

    • #70647
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This is not the optimal physique for survival

    • #70648
      Anonymous
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      • #70649
        Anonymous
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        Pic related. Eh, theres a scientific term for this but animals get really attracted to exaggerated festures of the opposite sex. Theres this beetle in Australia that tried to mate with bottles of VB beer because the color and texture were peak female. Almost went extinct.
        Anime posters suffer from the same, you cant go back

        • #70651
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >theres a scientific term for this
          Conspicuous consumption

          • #70652
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Which is also why bald = bad

          • #70653
            Anonymous
            Guest

            No man theres a scientific term for it. Animals are attracted to ceetain sexual indicators and go crazy when its exaggerated. Like big boobs with men, you think gynormous is a disability but it still attracts. No limits.

            • #70696
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Evolution does not exist. IT IS NOT REAL… Especially when applied to humans.

              1.) There has never, EVER been a documented case in which one species completely transformed into something else. It has never happened and it never will happen.

              2.) Why did humans evolve so quickly? By all accounts, we should still be hairy primates with single digit IQs right now.

              • #70697
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Your mother is a horse. Explain that.

              • #70698
                Anonymous
                Guest

                How do you rectify this with the reality of genetic engineering?

              • #70703
                Anonymous
                Guest

                I wonder why there’s no clear documented case of a phenomena that takes millions of years when the scientific method has existed for less than 200

            • #70701
              Anonymous
              Guest

              fisherian runaway is the phrase you’re looking for.

        • #70665
          Anonymous
          Guest

          supernormal stimulus, and yeah that’s probably a big reason some people like it
          I would point out though, more often than not women don’t like someone built like the Hulk, they want a strong man but not rippling muscles

          • #70668
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >women dont like hulk men
            They say they dont until they see then and then they melt. Asking them as a theoretical question addresses the wrong brain region.

            • #70695
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Then it cannot possibly be evolution. Being a "hulk" significantly lowers your life expectancy for obvious reasons.

          • #70679
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Ah Yes Arnie was well known for not getting any pussy. Jason mamoa and the rock too

        • #70714
          Anonymous
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          • #70715
            Anonymous
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          • #70728
            Anonymous
            Guest

            This explains weebs and anime girls btw.

          • #70776
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Some species freaking DESERVE to go extinct.

        • #70747
          Anonymous
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          Natural historians call it "the green beard effect", when ever more exaggerated features evolve, as genes select for themselves via sexual selection, in a positively reinforcing feedback loop that operates over generations. Bower birds, birds of paradise, peacocks, and such

        • #70752
          Anonymous
          Guest

          https://i.4cdn.org/sci/1632243916903.jpg

          You have women without makeup
          Women with makeup
          And makeup without women (anime girls)

      • #70650
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Those are some actual chesticles, wtf

      • #70655
        Anonymous
        Guest

        They need to be able to support their own weight.
        Quality over quantity.

        • #70659
          Anonymous
          Guest

          https://youtu.be/ul3Qt-hyE-8
          Boobies better though

        • #70660
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Boobs are just fatty tissue.
          Fat weighs almost nothing compared to it’s size, women bitching about lower back pain are just couch potatoes who just need to do basic exercise.

          • #70661
            Anonymous
            Guest

            I have seem a fair share of landwhales with giant bellies and matching boobs complain about the strain of their boobs.

          • #70664
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >. It’s preservation of genes, not of beings.
            >If you have a nice day after you already passed your genes forward, there is nothing inherently paradoxical about it.
            >Human males, for all we know, could’ve evolved under selective pressures on that normal type of Fisherian "promiscuous male, choosy female" template.
            >You becoming suicidal could have all kinds of sources, both instinctive (a
            but they are NOT "just" fatty tissue… there are mammary glands in female breasts

            • #70666
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Who are you quoting?
              >but they are NOT "just" fatty tissue… there are mammary glands in female breasts
              Sure, but that doesn’t disprove that post that breast size is determined by fat.

      • #70705
        Anonymous
        Guest

        this is a peak woman

    • #70654
      Anonymous
      Guest

      lanklet cope. the optimal physique necessitates python arms

    • #70658
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival?
      same reason peacocks have huge tails and Irish elk went extinct. females.

      • #70707
        Anonymous
        Guest

        love from kazakhstan

    • #70663
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >lazy "tribesmen" who live off government handouts and occasionally pretend to hunt whenever a camera crew is around
      >needing muscle
      pick one

    • #70667
      Anonymous
      Guest

      When I worked on a ranch I naturally developed some nice arm muscles from just the work. When you do work outside you often naturally just develop them, so it’s not a surprise to me that women would find that body type attractive. Most men in ancient times who went around hunting probably had really nice physiques.

      • #70669
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Most men in ancient times who went around hunting probably had really nice physiques.
        Wow you’re dumb. Humans are endurance hunters. We evolved to follow prey until exhaustion. They were probably very lean and by today’s bloated standards considered "skinny" but they could physically out compete any modern human outside of marathon athletes and Tour de France cyclists.
        >it’s not a surprise to me that women would find that body type attractive
        It should be a bigger surprise to you that they don’t

        >women dont like hulk men
        They say they dont until they see then and then they melt. Asking them as a theoretical question addresses the wrong brain region.

        >They say they dont until they see then and then they melt.
        Are you sure it’s not you that is the one that melts sweetie and that you’re not just projecting your sexual tastes onto women.

        • #70670
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Do you think your cheap banter about homosexuality is funny or original? How boring can you be

          • #70671
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >funny or original
            No I don’t but you’re the one asking and it’s the current year so there is nothing wrong with having an attraction to the opposite sex. If you weren’t acting so defensive you’d realize that there is in fact a huge subset of the homosexual community that is into gym culture and muscles.
            >How boring can you be
            I’m not here to entertain you dipshit

            • #70680
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Im not a scrote, i made an explicit reference to women being attracted to muscular men and you decided to make a haha joke so funny about homosexuality. Just to derail the thread.

              • #70682
                Anonymous
                Guest

                The whole point of this thread was some pathetic twig arguing its the people who go to the gym that are looked down upon. Hell have to except femboys will never be relevant outside the homo’s licking their lips while he walks down the street.

                • #70683
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >its the people who go to the gym that are looked down upon
                  No. Looking down on the people who look down on the people who don’t go to the gym.
                  >femboys
                  >Using homosexual slang
                  >homo’s licking their lips while he walks down the street
                  That is a very…descriptive image

        • #70673
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Wow you’re dumb. Humans are endurance hunters. We evolved to follow prey until exhaustion. They were probably very lean and by today’s bloated standards considered "skinny" but they could physically out compete any modern human outside of marathon athletes and Tour de France cyclists.
          so you’re telling me that humans who worked outside and hunted a lot were basically just skinny twigs with no hint of muscles at all? i find that kind of hard to believe.

          • #70674
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >just skinny twigs with no hint of muscles at all
            Why does this scare you so much? The lighter the body, the less demand is placed overall on the body. They had some muscle but it was very lean. They had to have enough muscle to allow them to walk for days at a time but not too much as that would slow them down and any excess muscle was consumed by the body for fuel anyway where you are living in a situation where every calorie counts. You might call this a "skinny twig" because of culture and toxic masculinity molding a different body shape as most attractive but it was extremely efficient and powerful for survival.

            • #70676
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I guess arguing your puny bod is optimal is easier than going to the gym.

              • #70681
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >I guess arguing your puny bod is optimal is easier than going to the gym.
                Nah I’m smart enough not to buy into toxic masculinity and instead would rather see it destroyed

                Im not a scrote, i made an explicit reference to women being attracted to muscular men and you decided to make a haha joke so funny about homosexuality. Just to derail the thread.

                Wow it seems as though you are really struggling to understand my posts.
                >reference to women being attracted to muscular men
                And I corrected you by saying it’s actually mostly gay men who are into muscular guys. Put 2 and 2 together and well…
                >Just to derail the thread.
                Oh I’m the one derailing the thread now? When you were the one making a /fit/ shitpost "hurr durr women like muscle" and continue to have a hissy fit about what you perceived to be a joke threatening your manhood instead of constructively and unemotionally acknowledging that women don’t like muscles.

                • #70685
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  My friends this is what onions does to your brain.

                  • #70687
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Onions

                • #70688
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  I didnt throw a fit, and women do like muscular men. Thats just a fact. You should have left it at that instead of starting with the homo shit.

                  • #70689
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    Don’t worry about that little queer. He cannot lift so instead he has to put others down

                    • #70690
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Im not a queer

                  • #70693
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >Thats just a fact.
                    source: dude trust me
                    Come on man, I’ve had several girlfriends, I am not muscular and not one of them asked me to put on muscle. I’m getting closer to a girl right now and when I said my voice wasn’t very masculine she said she likes it better than really masculine voices, and she’s not even bisexual. Women do not have a general preference for super manly men, we lie to ourselves that they do because we want to be more manly for ourselves and to impress others.

                    • #70694
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Fatties don’t count.

                      • #70699
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        first off they were not all fat, secondly that’s arbitrary and irrelevant, and thirdly you’re still providing NO freaking EVIDENCE HOLY SHIT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS

                      • #70742
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        https://i.imgur.com/ujisYXF.gif

                        Fatties are the ones who like the macho lifters the most. Other than other dudes, of course.

                • #70708
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  neurotic siss be like

              • #70741
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Not the guy you replied to, but sis, I figured it out as an 8-year old hockey player that it was actually better to be the short, small kid, because none of the other fuckers could keep up and I could outpace them all, especially the chonk nuggets.

          • #70675
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Yes, the optimal human male in nature is about 5’6" and weighs 120 pounds.

          • #70692
            Anonymous
            Guest

            strong muscles are not necessarily big, and when they are big they’re not necessarily visible
            bodybuilders have to do a lot of shit to show off their muscles while being the same strength or even weaker than power lifters
            that’s not even getting into strength versus endurance

          • #70735
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Yeah. Look at how marathon runners look and how modern day hunters in Papua New Guinea and Africa look like.

            • #70736
              Anonymous
              Guest

              We don’t all live in the same environment, human evolution didn’t just stop at one point, its why we differ so much in looks across continents and natural barriers. What’s the best physique is dependent on the environment you’re situated in. Saying how we should look woke af on some modern populations adapted to their environment in Papua or Africa is as scrotebrained as saying we should all look like African pygmies.

              somewhat related, muscle density is far more important than muscle volume or mass in strength measurements, that is to say larger muscles do not necessarily translate to more strength which is why body builders aren’t also the strongest people.

              • #70737
                Anonymous
                Guest

                The best physique for the modern industrial environment is

                The optimal physique for humans in the modern and future environment is the amazon female small male master race.

          • #70740
            Anonymous
            Guest

            We don’t all live in the same environment, human evolution didn’t just stop at one point, its why we differ so much in looks across continents and natural barriers. What’s the best physique is dependent on the environment you’re situated in. Saying how we should look woke af on some modern populations adapted to their environment in Papua or Africa is as scrotebrained as saying we should all look like African pygmies.

            somewhat related, muscle density is far more important than muscle volume or mass in strength measurements, that is to say larger muscles do not necessarily translate to more strength which is why body builders aren’t also the strongest people.

            Runners were skinny. Specifically runners.

            If you want to talk about other people who earn a living working outside, it becomes a different story. Farmers and loggers are not runners, they aren’t built like runners, and runners aren’t built for that sort of labor.

          • #70761
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >were
            You can look at photos of current tribal communities and see for yourself.

        • #70770
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Humans are endurance hunters. We evolved to follow prey until exhaustion
          Stop parroting shit of the boomer "scientists" who never hunted in their life. Endurance hunting is extremely rare among primitives doing hunting.

    • #70672
      Anonymous
      Guest

      are we?

    • #70677
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Ita a malnourished african. Thats not optimal for anything what the fuck are you talking about. If people werr living in loose knit hunting tribes stone age style the big man would still dominate his peers. Its seen i literally almost every social animal.

      • #70678
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Wrong

    • #70684
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The optimal physique for humans in the modern and future environment is the amazon female small male master race.

      • #70686
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Thats woke af as fuck but that little manlet butter have the true fantasy dwarf bod.

      • #70732
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The only sexual act they could perform is that man standing underneath and jumping.

        • #70738
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The could perform almost all sex positions lying down that we do.

      • #70746
        Anonymous
        Guest
    • #70691
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I loved that movie

    • #70700
      Anonymous
      Guest

      despite strength being mostly tendon the psychological effect of perceived strength is more powerful than actual strength.
      body builders are weaker than power lifters.

    • #70702
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Agriculture, even with use of draught animals favors more muscle mass

    • #70709
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This isn’t the optimal physique for survival. It’s the optimal physique for hunting in a dry savana with little vegetation and a constant climate, where the main threat to survival is starvation.
      Throughout most of human (pre)history, the main threat to survival has been other humans. Being fit and muscular greatly increases your chances of winning in a fight no matter what weapons are used.
      Humans who evolved in a colder climate (Caucasians) also had a good reason to put on muscle: winter. There’s little to no food in winter and if you don’t have good storage or preservation methods, then the next best thing is to store energy on yourself. There’s two ways to do that: fat and muscle. Muscle is better for obvious reasons.
      TLDR Not all humans are Africans steppe hunters

      • #70711
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Being fit and muscular greatly increases your chances of winning in a fight no matter what weapons are used.
        This isn’t true. So long as you’re lean and quick and strong enough, being smaller is a massive advantage in any fight where the weapon will kill within one or two blows.

        • #70712
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >I have no height but I must mog.

          • #70713
            Anonymous
            Guest

            The amazon female small male master race is inevitable. Largness in males and smallness in females are inferior traits that we will genetically modify out of our species to make way for the superior dimorphism.
            There will only be small men and giant women in our species by the end of the century. Sooner than that probably.

        • #70772
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >So long as you’re lean and quick and strong enough, being smaller is a massive advantage in any fight where the weapon will kill within one or two blows.
          This is true that pointed sticks (especially arows and javelins) need just child strength to kill the man.
          This is why through all history integral part of the warrior class was protective equipment, shields and armor. Fighting using them requires strength and armoring the warrior was always the push to the limits of constraints.
          And limp wristed scrotes (and women) without armor were easy pray to warriors with armor.

      • #70719
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >the main threat to survival has been other humans
        You do realize pre-historic humans lived in tribes right? It wasn’t a freaking free-for-all battle royale because that would be scrotebrained.
        >Being fit and muscular greatly increases your chances of winning in a fight no matter what weapons are used.
        Which is why all the modern hunter-gatherers like Inuits or tribes in the Amazon jungle are filled with 7-foot tall 300-pound gigachads. Meanwhile in reality, that 5-foot-4-inch 100-pound Amazonian tribesman can blowgun your neck with a frog poison dart and knock your ass out, no matter how "fit and muscular" you are, actually making you a bigger target to ranged weaponry which doesn’t discriminate its victim and supersedes hand-to-hand combat.
        >Humans who evolved in a colder climate (Caucasians) also had a good reason to put on muscle: winter.
        Ok this is scrotebrained because Caucasians have spent more time evolving in the African plains than Europe meaning Caucasians are still better adapted to living in Africa than Europe. Also, increased muscle mass increases your basal metabolic rate meaning your body burns even more energy. So tell me again how using more energy is good in a situation where you need to conserve energy.
        >There’s little to no food in winter and if you don’t have good storage or preservation methods, then the next best thing is to store energy on yourself.
        But not as muscle, as fat.
        >Muscle is better for obvious reasons.
        No you scrotebrain muscle uses more energy than fat. Fat’s primarily purpose is energy storage.
        >TLDR Not all humans are Africans steppe hunters
        Yet that’s the environment humans are best adapted for. Just look at weather, specifically temperature, where every human no matter where they live, can only tolerate a very narrow temperature range of about 10 degrees which, surprise surprise, coincides perfectly with the temperatures of the African plains. Humans were built for the big African plains.

        • #70720
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The reality that smaller males are actually superior to larger ones is such a scary thought to some people that they will not accept what you’re saying despite it being true. You might as well ignore it, and take solace in the future amazon female small male master race.

        • #70773
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Meanwhile in reality, that 5-foot-4-inch 100-pound Amazonian tribesman
          You example is example of tribes actually losing natural selection and warfare as social creatures and retreating into wilderness. So it makes opposite point.
          Also again counter to the ranged weapons was armor and armor needs strength first.

    • #70710
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >optimal physique
      kek those scrotes barely survive

    • #70717
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >optimal physique for survival?
      you sure about that?

    • #70718
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I have the optimal physique for survival.

    • #70721
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Not enough food to support big muscles
      >Optimal

      • #70722
        Anonymous
        Guest

        They do have enough food to get big.
        They don’t get big because it’s a dysgenic trait.

        • #70724
          Anonymous
          Guest

          cope

          • #70725
            Anonymous
            Guest

            No, it isn’t.

          • #70734
            Anonymous
            Guest

            That’s all you can sayyy

    • #70729
      Anonymous
      Guest

      We aren’t really obsessed with muscles though.
      Male attractiveness is more about things that are largely immutable, like height, symmetry, clear skin, wide frame, hairline, no deformities etc. Usually an "athletic" physique is preferred over being skinny or fat or extremely muscular.
      Muscles are more something that men respect in other men, because they are usually a sign of discipline, good habits etc which can all be learned from, although people raised in a tribal vacuum (whites raised with the anti white stuff, fatherless kids raised with no family, etc) might find muscles off-putting because they are seeing the people around them as an outgroup and thus as a potential threat rather than as part of their tribe. Having strong men in your family, tribe, nation etc is re-assuring, but being surrounded by strong men when you have no family, tribe, nation etc will likely put a lot of people in constant fight or flight mode, which I suspect is part of why rebelling against "masculinity" tends to be prevalent with these "tribeless" demographics.

    • #70731
      Anonymous
      Guest

      https://i.imgur.com/LLlkCqS.gif

      >shows scrotes as optimal
      Ok Mr. Shekelberg Goldstein

      • #70762
        Anonymous
        Guest

        It’s cool to see the neoteny of the human race contrasted like that. Should add some of the other races too.

    • #70733
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Having big muscles is the equivalent to how peacock males have giant ‘tails’.
      It’s attractive and good for spreading your seed in the short term, but it’s not that good for survival.

    • #70749
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival?
      we were not obsessed with muscles because it was optimal for survival in the wild. musles are tools to impose your will onto other people, thats why it is highly regarded, like being tall.

    • #70750
      Anonymous
      Guest

      holy shit freaking nerds just lift you sad cunts

      • #70751
        Anonymous
        Guest

        You are posting pictures of naked men for other men on the internet.
        You are GAY.

        • #70753
          Anonymous
          Guest

          its sad that you think your man boobs and noodle arms make you cool
          it takes 3-4 hours a week to not look pathetic but you chose 24 hour mental gymnastics instead

          • #70754
            Anonymous
            Guest

            I don’t have man boobs or noodle arms.

            • #70763
              Anonymous
              Guest

              If your the OP you most certainly do. Christ I left you here like 3 days ago and your still going. Just admit ypur too much of a bitch to properly work out and get on with your life. Just sit in the corner where you belong.

      • #70769
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Still too soon

    • #70756
      Anonymous
      Guest

      We?

    • #70759
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Sexual dimorphism

    • #70764
      Anonymous
      Guest

      That’s not the optimal face for survival, ugly ass siss

      • #70766
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Are you a black American? What do Khoisan people look like to you? Since American blacks are mostly bantu I would assume that khoisan people trip sort of an uncanny valley effect where they look black but not.

        • #70767
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Kek I’m not black I just wrote like a scrotebrain on purpose to make a funny
          Khoisan look kinda asian to me

          • #70768
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Well I still want an American black to confirm/deny this for me.

    • #70765
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival *in a hunter gatherer society*?
      ftfy. Agricultural societies produce beefy muscle men as lighter frames aren’t needed to pursue prey. Bodybuilder physiques are good for tilling the fields.

    • #70771
      Anonymous
      Guest

      > this is the optimal physique for survival?
      For serfs maybe.
      Top of everything in human history went to the warrior class and their natural selection is towards strength.
      When it is said "warrior" first word comes to mind to describe it is "strong".

    • #70774
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because people have ignored mental aspects for physical.

      In a fight between an average muscled body builder and a malnourished 16 year old girl fighting the vietnam war, the 16 year old will win 100% of the time. Why? Because she’ll be ready to kill/maim/survive. Where as the muscled body building will try to protect himself from little bit of pain on his luxurious muscles.

    • #70775
      Anonymous
      Guest

      In later years having extra well developed muscle improves cardiovascular system and that improves functioning of many other organs and systems within human body. Those tribesmen don’t live past 45 if they follow their tradional way of living (and not depends on western aid), and even if they do get some modern medical treatments their bodies have not been developed since young age, they function poorly and fail early not even western medical science can help them

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