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    • #102922
      Anonymous
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      Why are people afraid of and/or hate socialism? As I think about my own feelings on the matter, I find myself more repulsed by socialists as opposed to socialism, and I think it’s fair to estimate that this is the case for many others people.
      For the sake of simplicity, I just want to talk about vanilla socialism for lack of a better term and not Marxism, Leninism, AnCom, etc.
      So do I have a reason to fear the idea, or can I continue disliking socialists as though they ‘are’ system itself?

    • #102923
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They are, by their very nature, a violation of the NAP. That is reason enough to disregard their beliefs and well-being.

      • #102925
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Property rights is a violation of the NAP

        • #102928
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Property rights are a violation of the NAP

          >parasite that mixes up is and are
          This is partly why you vermin aren’t taken seriously. You cannot fulfill basic tasks yet have the delusion you can surpass your betters in areas of business and production. Go microwave some precooked kroger hash browns and do try to keep them from burning.

          • #102998
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >your betters
            >implying

            • #103020
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >>your betters
              >>implying

              • #103022
                Anonymous
                Guest

                So is Jeff Bezos your better or is that not real capitalism, that’s corporatism, *insert autistic wall of text here*?

              • #103048
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Aaaaand one for the kids.

          • #103614
            Anonymous
            Guest

            You know, just because you’ve found a way to sit idle doing nothing doesn’t make you a better person, if anything, it makes you a scumbag.

        • #102932
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >he doesn’t properly decline his verbs of being

        • #102933
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Make a tree house
          >STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! PROPERTY IS A FORM OF VIOLENCE; I’M CONFISCATING YOUR STOLEN GOODS. NOW PAY YOUR FINE, OR ITS OFF TO JAIL FOR YOU!
          Commies actually believe and want this.

        • #103188
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Property rights are a violation of the NAP

          Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest. Without property rights all you will ever have is dictatorships and massive poverty.

          • #103199
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
            Sauce?
            >Without property rights all you will ever have is dictatorships and massive poverty.
            sauce?

            • #103206
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Use your brain, would you study a lot, work hard, live frugally to save all you can and then risk it all investing in something, if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?

              Come on people this isn’t rocket science, you just need to think for maybe 5 minutes about the bullshit you’re repeating, not hard at all.

              • #103227
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >would you study a lot, work hard, live frugally to save all you can and then risk it all investing in something, if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                Who says it wouldn’t be mine.
                Now answer the question
                (

                >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                Sauce?
                >Without property rights all you will ever have is dictatorships and massive poverty.
                sauce?

                )
                >Sauce.

                >Come on people this isn’t rocket science,
                I agree, and yet you haven’t been able to justify it so far.
                >you just need to think for maybe 5 minutes about the bullshit you’re repeating, not hard at all.
                I agree, which makes me wonder why you can’t justify it.

                • #103228
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Do you understand what private property means? Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.

                  I don’t understand what you even mean by "justify it"? Do I really have to "justify" that people won’t study, work, save and invest for nothing? Why do you think you do any of those things?

                  • #103273
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >Do you understand what private property means?
                    I don’t think you understand what property is.
                    >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                    Yeah I think its clear we are talking past each other so I will try and make my questions (

                    >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                    Sauce?
                    >Without property rights all you will ever have is dictatorships and massive poverty.
                    sauce?

                    ) here and (

                    >would you study a lot, work hard, live frugally to save all you can and then risk it all investing in something, if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                    Who says it wouldn’t be mine.
                    Now answer the question
                    ([…])
                    >Sauce.

                    >Come on people this isn’t rocket science,
                    I agree, and yet you haven’t been able to justify it so far.
                    >you just need to think for maybe 5 minutes about the bullshit you’re repeating, not hard at all.
                    I agree, which makes me wonder why you can’t justify it.

                    ) here clearer.

                    You state
                    >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                    I don’t think this is true and want you to justify it, because I don’t operate as tho I have a universal right (something I am morally or legally entitlement to have or do) to private property.
                    Yet I still do all the things you mentioned.
                    Why?

                    You also say
                    That shit won’t me "mine" without private property
                    >if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                    >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                    However I think this stems from your lack of understand of how property works.
                    >Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property.
                    The existence of property is not contingent on the existence of a "right" to private property.

                    • #103278
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      hey kid…did you just roll in from stupid town?

                      • #103299
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Yes!

                      • #103301
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I knew it

                      • #103303
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You know nothing. You don’t even exist.

                      • #103305
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I am THINKING right now. You know what that means motherfucker…

                    • #103306
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Damn you’re the most scrotebrained edgelord I’ve seen in this place, no way I’m gonna start really arguing with a pseudo intellectual edgelord like yourself. But keep on the good work, you’re clearly an example to midwit edgelords all around the world.

                      • #103310
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Don’t talk to my sis like that you philistine. What’s a matter did he SPOOK ya?

                      • #103313
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Gotta love edgy pseuds trying to sound smart while saying the most scrotebrained out of touch stuff you will hear.

                      • #103358
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Gotta love edgy pseuds trying to sound smart, but the moment someone challenges them and clearly lays out a counter argument (

                        >Do you understand what private property means?
                        I don’t think you understand what property is.
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        Yeah I think its clear we are talking past each other so I will try and make my questions ([…]) here and ([…]) here clearer.

                        You state
                        >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                        I don’t think this is true and want you to justify it, because I don’t operate as tho I have a universal right (something I am morally or legally entitlement to have or do) to private property.
                        Yet I still do all the things you mentioned.
                        Why?

                        You also say
                        That shit won’t me "mine" without private property
                        >if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        However I think this stems from your lack of understand of how property works.
                        >Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property.
                        The existence of property is not contingent on the existence of a "right" to private property.

                        ) they just run away like a cuck (

                        Damn you’re the most scrotebrained edgelord I’ve seen in this place, no way I’m gonna start really arguing with a pseudo intellectual edgelord like yourself. But keep on the good work, you’re clearly an example to midwit edgelords all around the world.

                        ), all the while saying the most scrotebrained out of touch stuff you will hear.

                      • #103388
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Ok dude now I learned that people study, work, save and invest just for fun, because nothing they will ever acquire will be their property, because property doesn’t exist because some edgelord in 4chinz told me so. How wrong I was!!

                      • #103426
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        https://i.imgur.com/tFYUKWl.gif

                        >people study, work, save and invest just for fun
                        didnt ever claim that nice strawman
                        > because nothing they will ever acquire will be their property
                        again, didn’t say that, nice strawman, that’s not how property work.
                        >because property doesn’t exist
                        Property (being something that one exerts control over) objectively does exist.
                        >because some edgelord in 4chinz told me so.
                        Again, didn’t tell you that, nice strawman.
                        >How wrong I was!!
                        Um…… all of them.

                      • #103430
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Why do you work?

                      • #103460
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Why do you work?
                        to get money to eat, pay for bills and provide for my fiancee.
                        (Also I like that we are taking this slow and dissecting this piece by piece.=).

                      • #103465
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        And that money isn’t your private property? Can I take it and spend it how I want? Would you work the same if every time you got paid I came by and take all your money from you? Do you really not understand how scrotebrained what you’re arguing really is?

                      • #103463
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        https://i.imgur.com/KMEJRmt.gif

                        >NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T OWN PROPERTY!!!!
                        Nice strawman
                        >YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT PROPERTY IS!!!!
                        Yes!
                        >PROPERTY DOESN’T EXIST!!!! >NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
                        Pls anon, if you don’t stop their will be no strawmen left, you are killing all of them.

                        It was fun but its too late to argue with pseuds, but keep telling everyone how you all work just to have fun and how you don’t care if your wage is your private property or anyone else can take it. It was a pleasure learning so much from such brilliant minds. Cheers.

                      • #103489
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        https://i.imgur.com/Zm3NRVu.gif

                        >It was fun but its too late to argue with pseuds
                        Yeah but I put in the effort regardless of how much of a psedo you are.
                        >but keep telling everyone how you all work just to have fun
                        didn’t ever say that.
                        Again with the strawmen.
                        >and how you don’t care if your wage is your private property
                        wow another strawman, what a surprise.
                        additionally, my wage is my property, I don’t LARP or cry as though I have a "right" to my tax dollar when the government increased my taxes.
                        >or anyone else can take it.
                        Of course I care, and I won’t let just anyone take it, again, nice strawman.
                        >was a pleasure learning so much from such brilliant minds.
                        I know, I’m pretty high IQ for a brainlet.
                        >Cheers.
                        cheers.

                      • #103493
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >my wage is my property
                        So you work in exchange of property. And if there is no private propertt there is no reason for you to work because you won’t get anything in exchange. See it wasn’t that hard, you just had to think literally 2 minutes. Good night.

                      • #103525
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >So you work in exchange of property.
                        yeah, more so what that "property" does for me but we can simply it to that if you like.
                        >And if there is no private property there is no reason for you to work
                        how so?
                        >because you won’t get anything in exchange.
                        property =/= private property.
                        I literally already address that multiple posts earlier (

                        >Do you understand what private property means?
                        I don’t think you understand what property is.
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        Yeah I think its clear we are talking past each other so I will try and make my questions ([…]) here and ([…]) here clearer.

                        You state
                        >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                        I don’t think this is true and want you to justify it, because I don’t operate as tho I have a universal right (something I am morally or legally entitlement to have or do) to private property.
                        Yet I still do all the things you mentioned.
                        Why?

                        You also say
                        That shit won’t me "mine" without private property
                        >if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        However I think this stems from your lack of understand of how property works.
                        >Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property.
                        The existence of property is not contingent on the existence of a "right" to private property.

                        )
                        >See it wasn’t that hard
                        I agree, why is it so hard for you to scroll up and read>
                        >you just had to think literally 2 minutes.
                        Yeah you literally just had to scroll up and read, it would take less than 2 minutes.
                        >Good night.
                        night man, hope you feel less dumb.

                      • #103526
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        So that property isn’t private so I can take it from you whenever I want? If it just exist and doesn’t belong to anyone, it’s just as mine that I didn’t work for it as it is yours that you did work for it?
                        I’m off to sleep now but will definitely come back tomorrow to keep reading just how scrotebrained your definition of property is. Cheers

                      • #103545
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >So that property isn’t private so I can take it from you whenever I want?
                        You can try, and I’ll defend it.
                        Plus I have the state force to back me up as they (at this present moment) view it as mine.
                        As I’ve previously established
                        >I don’t operate as tho I have a universal right (something I am morally or legally entitlement to have or do) to private property.
                        See ————> (

                        >Do you understand what private property means?
                        I don’t think you understand what property is.
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        Yeah I think its clear we are talking past each other so I will try and make my questions ([…]) here and ([…]) here clearer.

                        You state
                        >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                        I don’t think this is true and want you to justify it, because I don’t operate as tho I have a universal right (something I am morally or legally entitlement to have or do) to private property.
                        Yet I still do all the things you mentioned.
                        Why?

                        You also say
                        That shit won’t me "mine" without private property
                        >if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        However I think this stems from your lack of understand of how property works.
                        >Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property.
                        The existence of property is not contingent on the existence of a "right" to private property.

                        )
                        >If it just exist and doesn’t belong to anyone,
                        It roesX all property of which someone exerts authority over belongs to that person until such a time that the person no longer exerts authority over it.
                        AGAIN IVE LITERALLY ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS
                        >Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property.
                        See ————> (

                        >Do you understand what private property means?
                        I don’t think you understand what property is.
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        Yeah I think its clear we are talking past each other so I will try and make my questions ([…]) here and ([…]) here clearer.

                        You state
                        >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                        I don’t think this is true and want you to justify it, because I don’t operate as tho I have a universal right (something I am morally or legally entitlement to have or do) to private property.
                        Yet I still do all the things you mentioned.
                        Why?

                        You also say
                        That shit won’t me "mine" without private property
                        >if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        However I think this stems from your lack of understand of how property works.
                        >Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property.
                        The existence of property is not contingent on the existence of a "right" to private property.

                        )

                        >it’s just as mine that I didn’t work for it as it is yours that you did work for it?
                        It’s not yours you exert no authority over it.
                        NEXT!

                        >I’m off to sleep now but will definitely come back tomorrow
                        Good
                        >to keep reading just how scrotebrained your definition of property is.
                        My definition is the most clear, simple and natural definition there is, which I have already mentioned previously and you can look for yourself I will not link back to myself again.
                        >Cheers
                        Cheers.

                      • #103408
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Do you understand what private property means?
                        I don’t think you understand what property is.
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        Yeah I think its clear we are talking past each other so I will try and make my questions ([…]) here and ([…]) here clearer.

                        You state
                        >Without property rights there is no reason to study, work, save and invest.
                        I don’t think this is true and want you to justify it, because I don’t operate as tho I have a universal right (something I am morally or legally entitlement to have or do) to private property.
                        Yet I still do all the things you mentioned.
                        Why?

                        You also say
                        That shit won’t me "mine" without private property
                        >if what you achieve or acquire won’t even be yours?
                        >Of course that shit won’t be yours if there is no private property.
                        However I think this stems from your lack of understand of how property works.
                        >Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property.
                        The existence of property is not contingent on the existence of a "right" to private property.

                        >NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T OWN PROPERTY!!!! YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT PROPERTY IS!!!! PROPERTY DOESN’T EXIST!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

                      • #103448
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        https://i.imgur.com/KMEJRmt.gif

                        >NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T OWN PROPERTY!!!!
                        Nice strawman
                        >YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT PROPERTY IS!!!!
                        Yes!
                        >PROPERTY DOESN’T EXIST!!!! >NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
                        Pls anon, if you don’t stop their will be no strawmen left, you are killing all of them.

                      • #103361
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I’m not scrotebrained, I just have a different learning style.

                      • #103326
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Damn you’re the most scrotebrained edgelord I’ve seen in this place,
                        I don’t feel like that’s true, but if it was it would be an achievement, so thanks.
                        >no way I’m gonna start really arguing with a pseudo intellectual edgelord like yourself.
                        I’ll take that as a “ah shit, I don’t actually have any comeback and can’t justify my beliefs”
                        Which is ok.
                        I would just have more respect if you just admitted that.

                      • #103384
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Yes of course I’m sure you work just for the fun, not for the property you will get in exchange. I have to admit I don’t have any comeback your intellect is just too superior…

                • #103230
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  ok scrotebrain

        • #103595
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Property rights are a violation of the NAP

          Property rights begin the one own property over their body, saying property rights violate the non-aggression principle is like saying having ownership of your body is violence is an aggression

      • #102926
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Property rights are a violation of the NAP

      • #102938
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Make a tree house
        >STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! PROPERTY IS A FORM OF VIOLENCE; I’M CONFISCATING YOUR STOLEN GOODS. NOW PAY YOUR FINE, OR ITS OFF TO JAIL FOR YOU!
        Commies actually believe and want this.

        The NAP doesn’t exist.
        It’s just an excuse made by libertarians to try and degenerate societies values to the point that can get access to CP.

        • #102955
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The NAP protects children though. The NAP, rights, are simply a suggestion – the golden rule. You treat others how you wish to be treated. If you don’t respect my property rights; I don’t have to respect your property – such as your life.

          • #102958
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >The NAP protects children though.
            the NAP enables pedophiles.
            >The NAP, rights, are simply a suggestion
            Right =/= suggestion.
            >the golden rule.
            The golden rule doesn’t work.
            >You treat others how you wish to be treated.
            So I’m allowed to treat peoples property as communal so long as I am comfortable people trying “my” property as communal.
            That’s the NAP?
            >If you don’t respect my property rights; I don’t have to respect your property – such as your life.
            HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
            HAHHAHAHAHA
            Did the libertarian just advocate communalism??

            • #103141
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >the NAP enables pedophiles.
              NAMBLA was founded by communists though. Stalin was a literal pedophile. So was Mao. So was Tito.
              >Right =/= suggestion.
              Rights are suggestions, yes. They are rules we make and are subject to change.
              >The golden rule doesn’t work.
              It does work. If you don’t follow it; chances are you will be harmed.
              >So I’m allowed to treat peoples property as communal
              Is it voluntary? Don’t care.

              • #103181
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >NAMBLA was founded by communists though.
                I don’t disagree.
                But just cause 1 group of people are involved in a crime doesn’t mean other people can’t also commit that crime.
                There is a reason purple libertarians are a thing.

                >Rights are suggestions, yes. They are rules we make and are subject to change.
                So then they are really just preferences.
                The soviets didn’t violate peoples property “rights” they those rights were just subject to change.
                Are lolberts now defending commies??

                >It does work.
                No it doesn’t.

                >Is it voluntary?
                Literally irrelevant, I’m following the golden rule, do unto other as you would have them do unto you.
                I am comfortable doing unto my property so I will do unto their property.
                Congratz anon, you are now a communalist.
                NEXT!

          • #103579
            Anonymous
            Guest

            laughing my ass off that the cartoon anarcho-capitalist has one of those cucked California/New York 10 round magazines
            Even in fantasy they are still obeying the state

      • #103555
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >NAP
        Middle school lolbertarian meme

    • #102924
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Marxism Leninism is the only real socialism scrotebrain, its economically impossible otherwise.

    • #102927
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s not in pursuit of truth

    • #102929
      Anonymous
      Guest

      People hate socialism because they hate all genocides, man made famines, and cult like social cohesion that would be necessary to ensure it works flawlessly. Communists honestly expect they can just outlaw wage labor, and demand that firms only produce for a social benefit against their own self interest. Its just another form of slavery that demands that humans stop having passions, and purely partake in actions that prop up the economic interests of state bureaucrats from a through their burden of their regulations and explicit terror.

    • #102956
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They’re either classcucked or rightfully afraid of the workers taking revenge on them for their exploitation.

    • #102959
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Socialists are bitter failures who want to punish successful people and extract money from them in a system that has failed miserably every time it’s been tried

      • #102977
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >in a system that has failed miserably every time it’s been tried
        Uh huh………. but I’m the context of your post what exactly is socialism.

        • #102981
          Anonymous
          Guest

          *in the context

        • #102983
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Communist authoritarian socialism has always failed.
          Not him though.

          • #102985
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Communist authoritarian socialism has always failed
            Uh, a country run by a Marxist-Leninist government is the most influential economy in the world. Cuba is relatively tame relative to its Carribean peers. Vietnam is chugging along nicely in regards to development.

          • #103006
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Not him though
            Thanks for the heads up anon.
            He was really unclear what socialism is.
            I classify socialism as worker control of the means of production, either directly or through a socialist party put in place to control the means of production.
            And that has failed 100% of the time when done on a national level.
            If socialism is just “the government taxes you and does stuff” than that has worked repeatedly throughout history.
            >Communist authoritarian socialism
            Authoritarian socialism (workers control of the means of production through a socialist operated state) and communism are the same thing to me.

            • #103032
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Honestly I would not have a huge problem with socialists if there social policies as well as economic policies were not basically in line with the desires of the politicians and elite of our society. Communism is a movement that always seems to get co-opted or subverted for malicious purposes EVERY time. You can replace workers with minorities or LGBT, it changes nothing.

            • #103237
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >I classify socialism as worker control of the means of production, either directly or through a socialist party put in place to control the means of production.
              >And that has failed 100% of the time when done on a national level.
              Due to them being crushed by capitalist nations.

              • #103244
                Anonymous
                Guest

                No, its because no one saves and creates capital because you can’t own it. In a capitalist economy if I have more money than I need I can save and invest to create capital goods that will increase production and reward me, making all of us richer. In a socialist economy if I have more money than I need I must spend it in stupid things because if I spend it on capital goods they will be taken away from me so I will be better off spending that money on vacations and margaritas than in new capital that creates more wealth.

                Socialism creates scrotebrained incentives that make everyone poorer.

    • #102960
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Marxism-Leninism is the only way socialism can realistically compete in a capitalist dominated world.

      • #103234
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This

    • #102979
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because they get banned/silenced by the loud minority.

    • #103075
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Real socialism has never been tried

    • #103091
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >We’ve reached the part of the thread where they’re rationalizing why communist states have become capitalist
      Communism in 20 years forever

    • #103092
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Mainly because no one knows what it is or has a coherent definition. Don’t get me wrong, there is a true one and it is really simple, (common property, no competition, end of value etc) but it was dismantled gradually over the 20th century from the times of the Great War onwards. So anyone can just attribute everything he hates to the word and leave it at that. Most capitalism vs socialism debates are just semantics and two idiots talking past each other because they’re not working with the same vocabulary.

      Communism is, of course, correct. There is no real justification for the accumulation of mass sums in few hands and those that claim this is compatible with popular sovereignty (something they all actually despise) are absolutely beneath contempt and are too far gone to be reasoned with.

      However, the self-styled socialists of today have unfortunately taken this accurate belief hostage and are doing everything they can to repel more reasonable people from it. Many of them are really just standard liberals, and since 1991 nearly all substantially base their beliefs off of whatever the media narrative is. The old guard is scarcely any better either, all of them are distinctly modern and ultimately materialists. Their future is uncertain, but no doubt it will be riddled with more comic failures for decades to come.

      • #103202
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >no competition
        This is the part that is really dumb, if there’s no competition its because everyone is cooperating with the same objective. But who decides what that goal everyone cooperates towards is? There are only two possibilities, either dictators impose it on everyone or a democratic government does. If it is decided by a democratic government, then you’ll have competition to control the government and thus the goals everyone has to cooperate towards.
        So competition didn’t disappear you just moved it from the market to politics. And here’s the funny part, to compete in the market people study more, work harder, save and invest, in order to beat its competitors in the market. That competition creates a lot of wealth that makes society wealthier overall. On the other hand to compete in politics you only need to be a good demagogue and make connections, you don’t need to study, you dont need to work hard, you don’t need to save or invest either, so competition in politics generates no wealth at all, that’s why socialist countries will always be way poorer than market economies.

    • #103136
      Mrrandom
      Guest

      It simply doesn’t work, everytime it gets tried it results in mass poverty and starvation and the rest of us are tired of you idiots trying it again. It’s. a stupid utopian idea that simply doesn’t work. Sorry.

      • #103143
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The average Soviet citizen had a higher caloric intake than the average American in the 1950s

        • #103168
          Anonymous
          Guest

          No, they literally had food shortages all the time. Also, the Soviets literally faked all their statistics,. Nobody would ever take their numbers at face value.

          • #103172
            Anonymous
            Guest

            https://nintil.com/the-soviet-union-food/
            They were solidly well fed after the purges and WWII. Not utopian or perfect by any means, but decently well off.

            • #103173
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Nice blog buddy!

          • #103240
            Anonymous
            Guest

            It’s a statistic from the CIA

        • #103610
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >The average Soviet citizen had a higher caloric intake than the average American in the 1950s
          >ALL THE POTATOES YOU CAN EAT WITH A SLICE OF DOCTOR’S SAUSAGE COMRADE HA HA GLORY TO THE SOVIET UNION
          >t-thanks….
          How many of those calories weren’t bread and bologna?

    • #103171
      Anonymous
      Guest

      posting in a leftypol chud’s devil’s advocate thread

    • #103183
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Wow self proclaimed socialists are freaking stupid holy shit

      • #103185
        Anonymous
        Guest

        They’re not real socialists

    • #103207
      Anonymous
      Guest

      stop trying to take the fruits of my labor
      your solutions to shit governance somehow always involve the expansion of the system rather than its restructuring

    • #103209
      Anonymous
      Guest

      it seems to always end in stalin-tier autocracy

    • #103211
      Anonymous
      Guest

      b/c people who are usually for it drive it through by means of manipulation and vauge/non-transient semantics.

    • #103231
      Anonymous
      Guest

      An anecdote that always cracks me up is Orwell’s regarding the public’s view on socialists. One day, while riding on the bus, a pair of yuppies got onboard and started talking about vegetarianism or fruit juice or some other dumb shit like that. The man sitting beside him crossed his arms and muttered "Bloody socialists" with a frown.

    • #103497
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because we don’t want a society full of welfare queens

    • #103547
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Maybe some of us don’t want live by taking from others. Get a job you fukkin loser

    • #103549
      Anonymous
      Guest

      A mixed market system with public services is optimal. Utilities and infrastructure should be owned by the public with investments designed for maximizing positive externalities. Research and development should be heavily prioritized, with DARPA-like entities and prizes for a wide array of technologies and breakthroughs. Education and healthcare should be subsidized, with vouchers available for those who wish to use private services. The financial sector should be regulated and taxed so as to incentivize long term capital investments. A constitution of checks and balances is necessary, as well as organized labor to act as a countervailing force against the power of organized capital.

    • #103551
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Orwell was a socialist but he basically hated most socialists on a personal level for their vegetarianism and fruit juice-drinking and occasional ideological nudity.
      So you do what you want, man.

    • #103552
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because socialism destroyed my country for half a century.

    • #103576
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because their class interests would be harmed by a planned socialist economy.

      • #103577
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >posts guy who basically destroyed socialism by discrediting Stalin

        • #103578
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Stalin destroyed socialism with the cult of personality, stagnant bureaucracy, and purging all Old Bolsheviks and forward-thinking generals and pushing the "socialism in one country" meme.
          He also discredited it in every Eastern European country by setting up harsh puppet governments that were akin to occupation forces.

          • #103581
            Anonymous
            Guest

            After the defeat of the German Revolution in 1923 there was little choice left to the Soviets other than build socialism in the USSR or just capitulate.

    • #103580
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Smart man has told me that socialism is bad
      Therefore socialism bad
      Get a clue, liberal.

    • #103584
      Anonymous
      Guest

      communism can only work in homogeneous nations, small nations at that. You cant want communism and want to include in it all sorts of nonsense that was create with the sole purpose of inciting division. Commies today are laughable it’s actually sad looking at them.

    • #103593
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why are people afraid of and/or hate socialism?
      Every time it’s been tried the people simping for socialism have to find something new to blame for the subsequent trainwreck. It’s never the fault of trying to build a society on shitty untenable ideological grouns, it’s always "the military" or "authoritarianism" and if only we’d give you a chance you’ll get it right this time because, I dunno, you’re special or something lol.

    • #103597
      Anonymous
      Guest

      fuck commies, scrotes, and jannies

    • #103598
      Anonymous
      Guest

      maybe people and their families didn’t think bread lines were totally awesome
      >t. family fled communist poland

    • #103605
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I was born in Venezuela, socialism is just a lie to enable other people to rule over you and on top of that you don’t have a say against them, since they are always a bureocratic oligarchy, essentially they are the same shit as big corporations but even worse since the socialist government is compulsory whereas big corporations aren’t.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_class

    • #103607
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I am bisexual, wear glasses, have spiritual beliefs and ny family own three properties. Thus, there has not been a single socialist regime where I woiæuld not be on a list. The kind of list people disappear from.

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