Who is the greatest medieval ruler? I nominate Philip II Augustus

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    • #73297
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      Who is the greatest medieval ruler? I nominate Philip II Augustus

    • #73298
      Anonymous
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      Julius Caesar

      • #73299
        Anonymous
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        ugh

      • #73328
        Anonymous
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        medieval, not classical

    • #73300
      Anonymous
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      Ferdinand the III the saint. It is not even close and you can close the thread on the spot

    • #73301
      Anonymous
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      Care to elaborate OP?

    • #73302
      Anonymous
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      Al-Nasir Salah al-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub <3

    • #73303
      Anonymous
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      Frederick II and it’s really not even close, might even be the greatest german ruler of all time.
      He was so beloved that for 300 years people actually thought that he might come back again like Jesus.

      • #73304
        Anonymous
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        the most SOVLFVL borders the world has ever seen

      • #73336
        Anonymous
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        I think you’re mixing up Frederick I (Barbarossa) and Frederick II ("stupor mundi")
        >He was so beloved that for 300 years people actually thought that he might come back again like Jesus.
        That would be Barbarossa.
        Frederick II was actually a quite controversial figure and deposed by the pope.

      • #73340
        Anonymous
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        >might even be the greatest german ruler of all time.

        Are we gonna act like Wilhelm II, Hitler and Merkel don’t exist?

        • #73346
          Anonymous
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          Not even going to touch the Merkel bait, but Wilhelm II and Hitler were both massive fuckups who lead millions of Germans to their deaths and ended up losing huge amounts of German territory.

          • #73348
            Anonymous
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            This is a thread about medieval rulers. But german haters can’t resist to get Hitler and Merkel into this thread.

          • #73355
            Anonymous
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            >who lead millions of Germans to their deaths

            Which makes them the greatest German rulers ever

            • #73363
              Anonymous
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        • #73362
          Anonymous
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      • #73356
        Anonymous
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        Frederick II was italian at heart

    • #73305
      Anonymous
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      >Who is the greatest medieval ruler?

      • #73309
        Anonymous
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        >Didn’t read Procopius

        • #73318
          Anonymous
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          >believing gnomish propaganda

          • #73358
            Anonymous
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            >Procopius literally calls him out for working with the Khazars
            >huuuurrrrr duuurrrrr Procopius was a gnomish shills

        • #73320
          Anonymous
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          >Believing the man that claims Justinian’s head detached from his body at night and flew around the the palace shrieking at people

          • #73322
            Anonymous
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            Yes.

          • #73323
            Anonymous
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            Holy shit did he really write that? That’s freaking hilarious, I need to find it. Where does he say that in the Secret History?

          • #73327
            Anonymous
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            He didn’t claim that, he wrote that others had claimed it.

          • #73360
            Anonymous
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            He didn’t claim that, he wrote that others had claimed it.
            Also YES!

      • #73325
        Anonymous
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        Basil II was better.

    • #73306
      Anonymous
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      Basil II
      Saladin
      St Louis
      Charlemagne

      I would also say Alexios I but he was a scumbag.

      • #73310
        Anonymous
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        >Basil II
        >Saladin
        Meme rulers

        • #73321
          Anonymous
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          >Basil II
          conquered any neighbouring state, bringing the empire to its greatest territorial extent since Justinian
          >Saladin
          unified egypt, levant, hejaz into a singe empire and expelled the crusaders from jerusalem
          >mainstream rulers yes
          >meme rulers not

      • #73332
        Anonymous
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        his son john was S tier

        • #73334
          Anonymous
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          Honestly any emperor post-Manzikert was decent at most.

        • #73335
          Anonymous
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          Manuel Komnenos was the last truly good one

    • #73307
      Anonymous
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      Adud Ali Dawla

    • #73308
      Anonymous
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      How do define greatest? Do you mean a person who started with nothing and obtained the most? Or ruler whose legacy randomly survived?

    • #73311
      Anonymous
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      Genghis Khan

      • #73339
        Anonymous
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        We are talking about rulers, not scrotebrained conqueres that got some land and then lost it right after they died because they couldn’t make a functioning nation

    • #73312
      Anonymous
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      Karol the great

    • #73313
      Anonymous
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      I would also say Philip Augustus, but Edward III was also pretty woke af.

    • #73314
      Anonymous
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      Edward I was in many ways the archetypical medieval monarch.
      >Tall and intimidating man
      >Crusader
      >Great warrior and general, was a conquerer
      >Established parliament as a permanent and regular institution in England, and even influenced it’s development in Scotland
      >Married twice, 17 children
      >Expelled the garden gnomes

      • #73316
        Anonymous
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        He is the one called longshanks right? And his son is Edward ii not iii right?

        • #73324
          Anonymous
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          Correct.

      • #73319
        Anonymous
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        >The Hammer of Scots
        damn what a nickname

    • #73315
      Anonymous
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    • #73317
      Anonymous
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      for me, it’s Henry II.

      • #73330
        Anonymous
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        Woke af angevinbro.

      • #73341
        Anonymous
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        The original CK2 player
        Born an irrelevant French count, died King of England

    • #73326
      Anonymous
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      Saint-Louis

      • #73359
        Anonymous
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        Woke af and correctpilled

      • #73364
        Anonymous
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        this

      • #73368
        Anonymous
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        Context?

    • #73329
      Anonymous
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      I like Henry II

    • #73331
      Anonymous
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      Harun ar-Rashid

    • #73333
      Anonymous
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      Charlemagne of course

      • #73347
        Anonymous
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        One of my favorite Roman Emperors.

    • #73337
      Anonymous
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      Alexander Nevsky

    • #73338
      Anonymous
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      >Alfonso iii
      Theodoric the ostrogoth
      >William of Normandy
      Alfred of Wessex
      >King Knut
      Vladimir of Kiev
      >Ivan III
      Roger Hauteville of Sicily
      >Casimir of Poland
      Louis of Hungary

      some from each country

    • #73342
      Anonymous
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      Edward III

      • #73343
        Anonymous
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        not as good as his grandpa, Edward I, imo, but a good choice nonetheless

        • #73353
          Anonymous
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          Both his grandfathers were God tier monarchs, he was always destined for greatness

    • #73344
      Anonymous
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      David I. Transformed Scotland from a backwards fringe state with hillforts and Celtic levies to an advanced and prosperous kingdom with modern knights and cities

      • #73345
        Anonymous
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        Very good choice

      • #73366
        Anonymous
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        Another good Scottish king for this Robert the Bruce. Regarded as the greatest knight in Christendom in his life, he brilliantly maneuvered through the succession crisis and permanently cucked the English out of Scotland during the Wars of Independence. Also directly created the modern Scottish national identity

    • #73349
      Anonymous
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      Why hasn’t anyone mentioned Otto the great?

    • #73350
      Anonymous
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      Richard I definitely had to be the bravest warrior so that alone makes him the best. Also Richard would have beat the shit out of Phillip if he hadn’t died unluckily

      • #73351
        Anonymous
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        Richard I, while a competent general and fighter, was a scrotebrained king. it’s largely thanks to him the Plantagenet possessions in France practically disintegrated because of the succession war that could’ve been avoided f he just clarified whether he wanted Arthur of Brittany or John Lackland to succeed him. That alone should place him among the worse English kings in history.

        • #73352
          Anonymous
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          >the Plantagenet possessions in France practically disintegrated because of the succession war that could’ve been avoided f he just clarified whether he wanted Arthur of Brittany or John Lackland to succeed him.
          While the unclear succession is a point against Richard, the Plantagenet possessions in France disappeared because of John’s poor diplomacy and ultimate failure in the war against Philip.

          • #73354
            Anonymous
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            >the Plantagenet possessions in France disappeared because of John’s poor diplomacy and ultimate failure in the war against Philip.
            alright, that’s fair, it was mostly John’s fault.

    • #73357
      Anonymous
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      Philip II was an opportunist hack, certainly a great pragmatic ruler but not a moral one.
      He pissed off from the third crusade over a disagreement with Richard the lionheart, then proceeded to attack the English holdings in the continent despite the fact that there was a Crusade going on and the Pope asked Catholic rulers to not fight between themselves.

      >Who is the greatest medieval ruler?
      The only sensible answer is Friedrich "barbarossa" Hohenstaufen, a contemporary to philip augustus.

      Charlemagne, Otto the great, Theodoric the great, Justinian, Basil II, Pelagius of Asturias, Henry V, Louis IX and Casimir the great, among others, are also great picks.

      • #73361
        Anonymous
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        >Dies in a puddle
        ONONONONO

    • #73365
      Anonymous
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      Justinian. Not the greatest, but still by far my favourite because I love the time period he represents

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