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Who is the greatest medieval ruler? I nominate Philip II Augustus
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Julius Caesar
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ugh
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medieval, not classical
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Ferdinand the III the saint. It is not even close and you can close the thread on the spot
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Care to elaborate OP?
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Al-Nasir Salah al-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub <3
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Frederick II and it’s really not even close, might even be the greatest german ruler of all time.
He was so beloved that for 300 years people actually thought that he might come back again like Jesus.-
the most SOVLFVL borders the world has ever seen
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I think you’re mixing up Frederick I (Barbarossa) and Frederick II ("stupor mundi")
>He was so beloved that for 300 years people actually thought that he might come back again like Jesus.
That would be Barbarossa.
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>might even be the greatest german ruler of all time.
Are we gonna act like Wilhelm II, Hitler and Merkel don’t exist?
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Not even going to touch the Merkel bait, but Wilhelm II and Hitler were both massive fuckups who lead millions of Germans to their deaths and ended up losing huge amounts of German territory.
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This is a thread about medieval rulers. But german haters can’t resist to get Hitler and Merkel into this thread.
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>who lead millions of Germans to their deaths
Which makes them the greatest German rulers ever
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Frederick II was italian at heart
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>Who is the greatest medieval ruler?
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>Didn’t read Procopius
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>believing gnomish propaganda
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>Procopius literally calls him out for working with the Khazars
>huuuurrrrr duuurrrrr Procopius was a gnomish shills
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>Believing the man that claims Justinian’s head detached from his body at night and flew around the the palace shrieking at people
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Yes.
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Holy shit did he really write that? That’s freaking hilarious, I need to find it. Where does he say that in the Secret History?
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He didn’t claim that, he wrote that others had claimed it.
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He didn’t claim that, he wrote that others had claimed it.
Also YES!
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Basil II was better.
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Basil II
Saladin
St Louis
CharlemagneI would also say Alexios I but he was a scumbag.
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>Basil II
>Saladin
Meme rulers-
>Basil II
conquered any neighbouring state, bringing the empire to its greatest territorial extent since Justinian
>Saladin
unified egypt, levant, hejaz into a singe empire and expelled the crusaders from jerusalem
>mainstream rulers yes
>meme rulers not
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his son john was S tier
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Honestly any emperor post-Manzikert was decent at most.
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Manuel Komnenos was the last truly good one
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Adud Ali Dawla
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How do define greatest? Do you mean a person who started with nothing and obtained the most? Or ruler whose legacy randomly survived?
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Genghis Khan
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We are talking about rulers, not scrotebrained conqueres that got some land and then lost it right after they died because they couldn’t make a functioning nation
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Karol the great
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I would also say Philip Augustus, but Edward III was also pretty woke af.
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Edward I was in many ways the archetypical medieval monarch.
>Tall and intimidating man
>Crusader
>Great warrior and general, was a conquerer
>Established parliament as a permanent and regular institution in England, and even influenced it’s development in Scotland
>Married twice, 17 children
>Expelled the garden gnomes-
He is the one called longshanks right? And his son is Edward ii not iii right?
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Correct.
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>The Hammer of Scots
damn what a nickname
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for me, it’s Henry II.
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Woke af angevinbro.
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The original CK2 player
Born an irrelevant French count, died King of England
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Saint-Louis
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Woke af and correctpilled
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this
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Context?
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I like Henry II
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Harun ar-Rashid
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Charlemagne of course
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One of my favorite Roman Emperors.
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Alexander Nevsky
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>Alfonso iii
Theodoric the ostrogoth
>William of Normandy
Alfred of Wessex
>King Knut
Vladimir of Kiev
>Ivan III
Roger Hauteville of Sicily
>Casimir of Poland
Louis of Hungarysome from each country
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Edward III
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not as good as his grandpa, Edward I, imo, but a good choice nonetheless
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Both his grandfathers were God tier monarchs, he was always destined for greatness
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David I. Transformed Scotland from a backwards fringe state with hillforts and Celtic levies to an advanced and prosperous kingdom with modern knights and cities
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Very good choice
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Another good Scottish king for this Robert the Bruce. Regarded as the greatest knight in Christendom in his life, he brilliantly maneuvered through the succession crisis and permanently cucked the English out of Scotland during the Wars of Independence. Also directly created the modern Scottish national identity
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Why hasn’t anyone mentioned Otto the great?
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Richard I definitely had to be the bravest warrior so that alone makes him the best. Also Richard would have beat the shit out of Phillip if he hadn’t died unluckily
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Richard I, while a competent general and fighter, was a scrotebrained king. it’s largely thanks to him the Plantagenet possessions in France practically disintegrated because of the succession war that could’ve been avoided f he just clarified whether he wanted Arthur of Brittany or John Lackland to succeed him. That alone should place him among the worse English kings in history.
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>the Plantagenet possessions in France practically disintegrated because of the succession war that could’ve been avoided f he just clarified whether he wanted Arthur of Brittany or John Lackland to succeed him.
While the unclear succession is a point against Richard, the Plantagenet possessions in France disappeared because of John’s poor diplomacy and ultimate failure in the war against Philip.-
>the Plantagenet possessions in France disappeared because of John’s poor diplomacy and ultimate failure in the war against Philip.
alright, that’s fair, it was mostly John’s fault.
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Philip II was an opportunist hack, certainly a great pragmatic ruler but not a moral one.
He pissed off from the third crusade over a disagreement with Richard the lionheart, then proceeded to attack the English holdings in the continent despite the fact that there was a Crusade going on and the Pope asked Catholic rulers to not fight between themselves.>Who is the greatest medieval ruler?
The only sensible answer is Friedrich "barbarossa" Hohenstaufen, a contemporary to philip augustus.Charlemagne, Otto the great, Theodoric the great, Justinian, Basil II, Pelagius of Asturias, Henry V, Louis IX and Casimir the great, among others, are also great picks.
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>Dies in a puddle
ONONONONO
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Justinian. Not the greatest, but still by far my favourite because I love the time period he represents
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