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    • #159615
      Anonymous
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      When and why did ‘conservatives’ in the US begin to valorise Martin Luther King? They used to openly hate him for being a race-baiting subversive agent of chaos and violence. How did his reputation improve so much on the American right?

    • #159616
      Anonymous
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      conservatives != neocons

    • #159617
      Anonymous
      Guest

      MLK was always a conservative Republican

      • #159618
        Anonymous
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        That’s the kind of revisionism I’m talking about. Nobody on the American right in the 1960’s was trying to ‘claim’ MLK as one of their own. He was reviled as a commie agitator by most of them. But that changed at some point. Why?

        • #159640
          Anonymous
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          republicans were always the party of the black man. but you had a wing of republicans from the wilson block that were sympathetic to the south. as they were southern republicans. those types didn’t really like blacks that much. not to the same degree as southern democrats, but more than northern republicans.

          • #159686
            Anonymous
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            This. All other answers are cringe and reddit.

            Eisenhower even invited MLK into the white house to discuss racial issues with Nixon, who reportedly found MLK quite impressive.

            The Civil Rights Movement was a fight between progressive Democrats and conservative Democrats, where the Republicans weren’t really on either side. Ironically, modern stormscrotes have bought into liberal propaganda, by thinking that the Republicans were actually evil racists.

            • #159687
              Anonymous
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              Nobody gave a shit about blacks in the republican party because most blacks weren’t in their areas. The fight between the democrats was because essentially one side of democrats were telling the other side that they had to desegregate which caused the party to fall apart in 1968.

        • #159670
          Anonymous
          Guest

          to be honest most republicans in congress did vote for civil rights, the only reason those bills got to lbjs desk was congressional and senate republicans. Even if most conservatives aren’t associated with that kind of stuff today doesn’t hide the fact that all the real vitriolic racists of the time, (see wallace) were demonrats

      • #159622
        Anonymous
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        That’s the kind of revisionism I’m talking about. Nobody on the American right in the 1960’s was trying to ‘claim’ MLK as one of their own. He was reviled as a commie agitator by most of them. But that changed at some point. Why?

        Because it would be political suicide to criticize him. Why, you ask? Because American culture is centered around scrotes. They have holidays for scrotes. They killed hundreds of thousands of white men to free scrotes. They listen to scrote music. They elect a scrote as their president. They dress and act like scrotes. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from scrotes. They post sassy gifs about scrotes. They watch sportsball in worship of scrotes. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of scrotes playing sports. They use scrote slang like "OMG" and "thot". When you say "Martin Luther" they’re not thinking of the father of protestantism. They’re thinking of the scrote. Their cities are completely overrun with scrotes. They worship their ZOGbot police force disproportionately filled with scrotes and their global police force of soldiers filled with scrotes. Their men sit around watching scrote ball while their women sit around watching scrote talk shows. They worship scrotes like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson and the late Eddie Murphy while attacking the whites who actually built their country before scrotes took over. Their movies are filled with scrotes and their music charts are topped by scrotes. They send scrotes to the Olympics and celebrate when the scrotes win because those scrotes are true red blooded american scrotes. They watch scrote porn to a point where "BBC" does not make them think of an international media company but about scrote penises instead. They will tell you how much they hate scrotes and how the mutt’s law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love scrotes but the evidence speaks for itself in that America has always been and will be a nation of scrote loving scrotes

        • #159675
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >I am obsessed with scrotes and see them everywhere

          • #159676
            Anonymous
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            It’s a known copy pasta man.

      • #159625
        Anonymous
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        >"I don’t think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses … And I’m not inextricably bound to either party."

        It’s funny because George Wallace (who as the figurehead of Segregation could be considered King’s political arch nemesis) said almost the exact same thing.

        >"There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican parties."

        • #159632
          Anonymous
          Guest

          MLK was an enlightened centrist?

    • #159619
      Anonymous
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      King’s assassination essentially martyrized him, making it political untenable for Republicans and Dixiecrats to expound significant criticism of him, especially in the face of his advocacy of non-violence.

      Call me a whack job if you must, but personally, I’ve always entertained the notion that MLK’s murder was engineered by fellow Civil Rights activists who wanted to:

      A: Bury any reports of King’s lecherous behind-the-scenes behavior before they ruined his reputation (and therefore the reputation of the movement).

      B. Create a martyr they could use to bash political opponents with.

      • #159620
        Anonymous
        Guest

        That was part of it, but conservatives in states like Arizona were blocking the introduction of MLK day until the mid-1980’s. So his death didn’t immediately have the effect of causing conservatives to worship him. It took a while.

      • #159649
        Anonymous
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        MLK did go into some communist meetings but he was never a radical like Malcolm X or the Panthers, hence he was always trying to distance himself from them.

        In fact MLK enjoyed in his life time quite positive support from both northern and some southern whites. So it was easy to make a martyr out of him.

        I think theres little doubt nowadays that LBJ had MLK assasinated for speaking against Vietnam, just when the military build up was happening.

        • #159650
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >In fact MLK enjoyed in his life time quite positive support from both northern and some southern whites.
          Normal, he was a reasonable choice, between communists and hard-right madmen. I’d take the moderate-ish preacher too.

    • #159621
      Anonymous
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      Prophets are hated when they’re alive but their reputations are whitewashed and worshiped long after they’re dead (usually by the same people who would’ve hated them when they were alive). In 1968 the man most hated by Americans was not Ho Chi Minh or LBJ, the most hated man in the country was MLK. He also made a lot of enemies when he became more involved in class and labor issues; liberals supported him when he went after racist southern sheriffs and legal segregation but when he went north to attack the class system and economic inequality (which he considered to be the root of racism) the libs quickly turned against him. He always believed it would be far easier to eliminate segregation than to eliminate slums and he was absolutely correct.

      Jesus said something about how the Pharisees praise the prophets of old but if they were alive at the time they definitely would’ve tried to kill them for being subversives. Same with MLK, the conservatives of the ’60s used the same exact arguments against him as the conservatives of today use against BLM.

      • #159627
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Jesus said something about how the Pharisees praise the prophets of old but if they were alive at the time they definitely would’ve tried to kill them for being subversives. Same with MLK, the conservatives of the ’60s used the same exact arguments against him as the conservatives of today use against BLM.

        Red Hot Take: Neo-Nazis in the future will praise BLM and Antifa (long after they’ve finished murdering all Blacks, garden gnomes, and White Liberals in a genocidal race war of course) for ACCELERATING the race war with their rioting and looting.

        It’s already happening with the Taliban, go on any thread on /poo/ talking about Afghanistan and you’ll see them singing the praises of the brave Mujahideen for defeating the ZOG oppressors when not two years ago they were praising Brenton Tarrant for murdering 50 worshippers in a Mosque.

        • #159629
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Red Hot Take: Neo-Nazis in the future will praise BLM and Antifa (long after they’ve finished murdering all Blacks, garden gnomes, and White Liberals in a genocidal race war of course)
          Then we wake up

          • #159630
            Anonymous
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            • #159631
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Idk man. Where’s the punchline?

              • #159635
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Read the latter half.

                Modern Neo-Nazis are basically political prostitutes who will latch onto anything that they see as an attack on the "gnomish" status quo. No matter how contradictory or hypocritical it seems compared to earlier positions.

                Case in point, 2019 vs 2021

                >Jesus said something about how the Pharisees praise the prophets of old but if they were alive at the time they definitely would’ve tried to kill them for being subversives. Same with MLK, the conservatives of the ’60s used the same exact arguments against him as the conservatives of today use against BLM.

                Red Hot Take: Neo-Nazis in the future will praise BLM and Antifa (long after they’ve finished murdering all Blacks, garden gnomes, and White Liberals in a genocidal race war of course) for ACCELERATING the race war with their rioting and looting.

                It’s already happening with the Taliban, go on any thread on /poo/ talking about Afghanistan and you’ll see them singing the praises of the brave Mujahideen for defeating the ZOG oppressors when not two years ago they were praising Brenton Tarrant for murdering 50 worshippers in a Mosque.

                • #159639
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  One could say the same thing about modern socialists. Look at how they praise Iran for resisting American influence when Iran couldn’t be more contradictory to socialist ideals.

                  • #159641
                    Anonymous
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        • #159638
          Anonymous
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          I think you’re a legitimate scrotebrain if you think that /poo/’s reaction to the Tarrant shootings has much of a relationship to their opinions of the war in Afghanistan

          • #159642
            Anonymous
            Guest

            /poo/ is only loving the taliban right now because the taliban have been posting their memes on twitter lol. that’s honestly it. they like watching the taliban shit on trannies on twitter.

            its similar to leftypol.org praising the taliban for pooping on capitalism by pushing out america and revenge for america helping the taliban defeat the soviets in the 80’s.

            • #159646
              Anonymous
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              Can’t blame them, it’s pretty funny. Like the olden days when ISIS was on Twitter.

              Conservatives do this ALL the time. They oppose something, and 50 years later rehabilitate/sanitize it and pretend to have supported it all the time.

              There is a reason a lot of people call conservatives speed limit progressives, the window keeps shifting, they keep making concessions. Probably why some people are shifting towards more reactionary stuff.

              […]

              I assume that around the 90s it started being born, but it only reached full force around the years when the old school NuCulture wars were more popular, 2014-2018 (Holy shit that was a while ago), anti woke cons and shit always towed a more libertarian line, and distanced themselves from the other part of the NuRight when it crashed and burned after Charlottesville. Even before, they all positioned themselves as egalitarian "true" liberals, with extra no privileges, no equality of outcome, etc. MLK is not only a semi-sacred symbol of equality but it’s also taboo to attack him, he basically represents civil rights, and because being racist is increasingly political suicide you really can’t do much about it. MLK fitted the bill, and he was respectable, so they went behind him, also, most establishment republikangs just simp for corporations and only backed trump because politics demanded it. You’re probably talking about charlie kirk "conservative types", that bring up woke af gay black men on stage.
              It’s concerning that I know all of this I am not even american.

              • #159647
                Anonymous
                Guest

                By a lot of people, I mean a lot of people on some niches, of course.

        • #159643
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Read the latter half.

          Modern Neo-Nazis are basically political prostitutes who will latch onto anything that they see as an attack on the "gnomish" status quo. No matter how contradictory or hypocritical it seems compared to earlier positions.

          Case in point, 2019 vs 2021 […]

          This supposed discrepancy you think you’ve found doesn’t really exist. Even Tarrant himself said that he was an anti-imperialist and had absolutely nothing against Muslims *who reside within Muslim countries.* You’ve left out that important distinction.

          • #159652
            Anonymous
            Guest

            A few of those he killed left Iraq because America invaded it.
            I understand that he wants them to stay where they are even when they’re getting invaded but you should understand why the average person will laugh at this justification

            • #159653
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I get the feeling Tarrant wasn’t grilling his victims on their background before he shot them in his rampage

              • #159655
                Anonymous
                Guest

                All neo nazis are this careless. They don’t even care how many taliban have killed white males in Afghanistan and yet they support them now.

                • #159657
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Why would a neo-nazi care about dead white solders that volunteered to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan?

                  • #159660
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    It would be in line with their old beliefs of waging war in the middle east.

                    • #159661
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      The same neo-nazis that spent most of ’00s and ’10s claiming that the war in Iraq was a ZOG scheme to advance Israel’s geopolitical interests in the Middle East?

                      • #159662
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        That’s not what I remember but ok

                      • #159664
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Did they? I seem to remember them cheering bombing "sandscrotes" but bei g bummed about not bombing israel too.

                      • #159666
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        You’re confusing ‘patriotards’ with the far-right (which I assume is meant by ‘Nazis’). The far-right in the US was at a low point in the early-2000’s for opposing the ‘war on terror’ and claiming that George W. Bush was a Zionist puppet. This made them deeply unpopular with other factions of the American right.

                      • #159665
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        can we stop pretending Neo-nazis are like 1 person or a tight-knit group of people? There’s Neo-nazi’s of all flavours running around. They aren’t an ebul dumb schizophrenic ideological hive mind, Neo-nazi is a term for many people and many relatively small groups.

                      • #159673
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        this, and I say this as someone who isn’t a rightist. However, the lefties on this site would get their heads on their ass if you said this about them as well. the truth is there are many many variations of rightists and leftists, only scrotebrains try to put them all in a neat little box

                      • #159684
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Even so I think you’d honestly struggle to find a significant number that were cheering on the war in Iraq/Afghanistan for "owning them brown hadjees" like the other anons are claiming.

                      • #159685
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        That was mostly because liberals used the "but they’re killing people and that makes you a murderer by proxy!" Argument, so most people responded with "who cares they’re Muslims".

              • #159656
                Anonymous
                Guest

                He went to muslim countries. I think he did a fair bit of research. He wanted to kill them because they wouldn’t stay in Iraq. He wants muslims to stay in their countries while they’re getting bombed. This is in line with his imperialism conqueror ideology.

                • #159658
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  He indiscriminately slaughtered everyone in those mosques he could, I’m not sure if you’re aware of this but NZ’s Muslim population isn’t just Iraq/Afghan refugees.

                  • #159659
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    I disagree.

              • #159682
                Anonymous
                Guest

                He indiscriminately slaughtered everyone in those mosques he could, I’m not sure if you’re aware of this but NZ’s Muslim population isn’t just Iraq/Afghan refugees.

                Unfortunately most of it was scrubbed from the mainstream media in the aftermath, but he attacked that particular mosque because it made the news for its radical teachings and spawning the first (and only?) Islamic terrorist from NZ.

          • #159677
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Sure, because the far-right definitely doesn’t rub their dicks sore to the idea of glorious trad crusaders massacring the demonic islamic hordes

            • #159678
              Anonymous
              Guest

              depends on the specific sub-faction.

            • #159681
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >the far-right is a single group
              Yeah, sis, there totally isn’t a contingent of people on /poo/ who shill for Islam.

        • #159644
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Taliban killed foreign invaders
          >Tarrant also killed foreign invaders
          That’s it, basically. The left seems to have this misconception that right wingers want to genocide all brown people and create a white supremacist global state like Hollywood Hitler, but really it’s mostly about keeping your country and culture from becoming globalized beyond recognition.

        • #159671
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >/poo/! /poo/! /poo/! /poo/! /poo/!
          if we hate them so much why does this board constantly go on about them, so sick of hearing all this gossip about them frankly

          • #159674
            Anonymous
            Guest

            a little bit like anti stonetossers and stonetoss.

      • #159628
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Jesus said something about how the Pharisees praise the prophets of old but if they were alive at the time they definitely would’ve tried to kill them
        Even as an Atheist, I’m always astounded by Jesus’s foresight. The poor bastard just knew that same archetype of people who crucified him would be appropriating his name and legacy for all sorts of nefarious shit.

        • #159634
          Anonymous
          Guest

          most reddit post ever typed

          • #159636
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Being obsessed with reddit is the most reddit thing ever. That freaking website lives rent free in the minds of you people.

            • #159672
              Anonymous
              Guest

              you’re thinking of /poo/, plebbitor

        • #159663
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Diffrent argument but same energy
          Back to r/atheism with you

          • #159683
            redditor
            Guest

            >Diffrent argument but same energy
            Not an argument

      • #159654
        Anonymous
        Guest

        MLK – like Kennedy and Malcom X – was lucky to get shot when he did; his "People’s Campaign" was floundering and the FBI already had mounds of evidence that he was a whoring, boozing womanizer.

        If he wasn’t shot he would’ve ended up one of those Jesse Jackson types shaking down Fortune 500s over not doing enough for "the siss"

    • #159623
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The "American Right" is just rebranded 70s liberalism. There’s this antifa gaslight going around that because democrats take donor money(from organizations/people who are openly globohomo), the overton window is to the right… in a culture where scrotes openly groom children and get police protection for it.

      • #159626
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Bingo. In 20 years from now the republican party will be pushing for the civil rights law protection for parents who groom their children. Meaning the republicans would push to have hate crime charges pressed against you for harassing parents who inject hormones into their children. in 20 years from now the LGBT flag will be on the RNC HQ flag post.

        • #159688
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >"I don’t think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses … And I’m not inextricably bound to either party."

          It’s funny because George Wallace (who as the figurehead of Segregation could be considered King’s political arch nemesis) said almost the exact same thing.

          >"There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican parties."

          Republicans have always been the democrats of 20 years a go. In 1897 people were saying that the republicans are just democrats that lag behind the rest of the group.

          no one cares about burgers and their meme politics though

      • #159668
        Anonymous
        Guest

        False. America’s current healthcare system is something you’d expect from 1980s Republicans. Income tax isn’t much different. Neither are the trends for private sector unions.

    • #159624
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Republicans have always been the democrats of 20 years a go. In 1897 people were saying that the republicans are just democrats that lag behind the rest of the group.

    • #159633
      Anonymous
      Guest

      When he was dead and he could not correct him and when the battle for legal segregation was lost. Revisionism to save face.

    • #159637
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Conservatives do this ALL the time. They oppose something, and 50 years later rehabilitate/sanitize it and pretend to have supported it all the time.

    • #159645
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      leftypol.org are tryhard scrotebrains, who the fuck cares what they think?

    • #159648
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s simple, he was martyred.

    • #159651
      Anonymous
      Guest

      What constitutes "right" has changed, obviously, dumbass.

      When the Klan actually were burning crosses and black people actually were victims, they had a very different approach, t hey were preaching about morals, they were putting across the image they were upstanding citizens just like white folks but had been put down just because of the color of their skin. Looting and violence sprung up but the intelligentsia knew encouraging it had more drawbacks than benefits.

      Now they don’t have to and the facade has basically dropped. Also most boomers are not really right wing, they were hippies in the 60s and 70s. They wish for the old days, the message they were spun in their youth. Judge us by the content of our characters not the color of our skin. High minded ideals, and what a wonderful place the world would be if it were true. Of course it is a pipe dream, most black people will always believe in preferential treatment for themselves.

    • #159667
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Wasn’t MLK just a liberal?
      I remember him seeming soft compared to malcolm x, it’d make sense that they’d consider him to be a good black

    • #159669
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Probably when they gave him a holiday and forced public schools to put him on a pedestal? Pretty easy to push something on the public if you start in kindergarten anon.

    • #159679
      Anonymous
      Guest

      They don’t really like MLK, they just invoke his message of peaceful protest to try and get BLM to stop rioting
      >why can’t you ungrateful negroes be like this negro?

    • #159680
      Anonymous
      Guest

      He’s been watered down to just be "le back of the bus man". People forget how controversial he was even at his death, and how much he criticized capitalism and militarism.

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