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    • #228123
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      What is the greatest, most convincing argument for God’s existence, in your opinion?

    • #228124
      Anonymous
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      >What is the greatest, most convincing argument for God’s existence
      Anime

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        Anonymous
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      • #228306
        Anonymous
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        Damn he do be spittin facts.

    • #228125
      Anonymous
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      How about the undeniable FACT that he gave up on us all, and stopped giving a fuck about us.

      The fact that the world is in shambles and on the brink of complete collapse proves he stuck around for a while, now he just said, “FUCK IT.”

      • #228129
        Anonymous
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        Man, sometimes I think about this.
        When I read the Old Testament, I wonder if God realized his mistake. Realized his intervention only freaking made things worse. Sent his son to die, in the hopes we’d abide by his message and revelation of love and forgiveness. And then hightailed it to another reality, another universe. And now it’s just up to us to save ourselves.
        If Jesus was the son of man, it’s been 2,000 years…
        If he was coming back, like he claimed he would. I think it would have happened by now.

        • #228176
          Anonymous
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          >Sent his son to die, in the hopes we’d abide by his message and revelation of love and forgiveness
          Are you insinuating that the all powerful and omniscient creator of the universe did not see it coming? How? While I do agree that love and forgiveness is the highest virtue, I still feel as though I should ask who are the ones you believe to be freaking this up.

          • #228191
            Anonymous
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            Since humans are made in God’s image what if God went through a similar growth process? The old testament God is rash, immature and often cruel. Almost like a little kid with infinite power. But by the time of the New Testament he matured, and sent his Son in hope to make humans undergo a similar maturing process.

            • #228288
              Anonymous
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              It’s all because of symbolism in the text which foreshadows Jesus, read it from that angle and it all unlocks – those are stumbling blocks to make you try something else other than literal reading.

      • #228132
        Anonymous
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        that’s heresy
        God is for saving people from Sin
        complaints are your complaints
        wash your mouth

      • #228133
        Anonymous
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        Everyone wants free will, till free will happens to them.

        • #228135
          Anonymous
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          free will means you are not currently in imminent threat of going past the "point of no return" with your sinning
          your standards for "free will" are not in line with your concept of Sin
          you appear to have confused sense pleasure Sin with the outcome of being saved from Sin
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Āyatana
          it’s karma-vipaka vs. 12 nidanas
          if you have a karma disorder a.k.a. addiction then you do not have free will because you are sinning so much you are in imminent danger of going past the point of no return with your sinning
          the threshold for free will is completely different from what you think it is

        • #228291
          Anonymous
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          Hard facts right here…….

      • #228150
        Anonymous
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        Everyone already knows God is real. It’s why atheists almost always talk about God or Christianity or the Bible when they’re simply asked about their own beliefs.

        Anyway, it’s their own choice. Read Romans 1.

        No, you just rejected God, continuing to live in sin separates you from Him.

        As for the world going to hell, that’s because people have turned away from God.
        Psalms 9:17
        Luke 17:26-30

        • #228300
          Anonymous
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          >God abandons his creation, passing the sins for generations to come
          >People abandon him in
          >"NOOOO, YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO!!"
          Kek

      • #228152
        Anonymous
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        it’s how it has to be

      • #228173
        Anonymous
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        >The fact that the world is in shambles and on the brink of complete collapse proves he stuck around for a while, now he just said, “FUCK IT.”
        Has it ever occurred to you that /poo/ is wrong? I mean, I assume that’s what’s happening here because if it were simply a matter of the pandemic or whatever you wouldn’t be THIS distraught. There have been far worse pandemics and wars and hideous horrible things in the world than what we’re experiencing now, but you are distressed to the degree that you genuinely think God has given up now but was active back then. Surely there must be a reason for this, and given that all the people who talk this way on LULZ are also /poo/ scrotes, I assume that’s what has your knickers in a knot.

        • #228264
          Anonymous
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          >accepting the world is in the worst state it’s been spiritually, culturally and morally speaking means you’re a poltard
          freaking go back please

        • #228268
          Anonymous
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          ifonlyyouknewhowbadthingsreallyare.jpg

      • #228203
        Anonymous
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        They all want us to believe in their abrahamic god, but ok then where the fuck is he?
        >nooo you have to just believe! it’s all a part of his plan!
        whatever. that’s some Operation Trust shit right there.

        • #228217
          Anonymous
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          >abrahamic
          pseud buzzword, only one religion worships the God of Abraham
          >but ok then where the fuck is he?
          You wouldn’t believe anyway

          Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

          • #228219
            Anonymous
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            >you wouldn’t believe anyway.. so i’m not telling!
            lol you sure showed me

            • #228220
              Anonymous
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              >please try to convert me daddy
              I have enough wisdom to know it’s a waste of time and that you’re just here to scoff. Don’t know why you pretend to be honestly open when you’re clearly not, you’re really not fooling as many people as you think.

              • #228246
                Anonymous
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                Sorry, I have no interest in converting to a sandscrote religion. The reason I asked "where is he" is because I already knew you can’t answer. There’s never an answer. Just more "you have to beleeeiive he’s testing us trust the plan" Operation Trust tier bullshit.

                • #228248
                  Anonymous
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                  >Sorry, I have no interest in converting to a sandscrote religion. The reason I asked "where is he" is because I already knew you can’t answer. There’s never an answer. Just more "you have to beleeeiive he’s testing us trust the plan" Operation Trust tier bullshit.

                  So why do you enter these threads? Just to show everyone how ignorant and foolish you are? To convince yourself that you’re right and actually know what you’re talking about? It’s painfully obvious that you haven’t read and understood the Bible, but you’ve convinced yourself that it’s entirely wrong so why would you read it in the first place?

                  You’ve put yourself in an intellectual loop of ignorance and stupidity, and you compensate for it with arrogance and pride. I pity you.

                  • #228260
                    Anonymous
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                    You know that it’s ok to admit you just don’t know, right? You’re not the first person to be unable to answer the question, and you won’t be the last.

                    • #228261
                      Anonymous
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                      The answer’s in the Bible, hence why I know you’ve never read it. You know it’s okay to admit you don’t know everything, right? Thought I might be able to get you to question your own arrogance, but I guess you’re just not bright enough. Go on and tell us how you know it’s wrong though because some talmudic garden gnome told you so.

      • #228242
        Anonymous
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        God purifies us in the furnace of affliction. You see time and time again where God will let his people go into captivity for turning their backs on him and doing that which displeases him.

        Romans 1: 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      • #228270
        Anonymous
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        Doesn’t the fact that God regularly corresponds with people debunk this idea?

      • #228276
        Anonymous
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        >the world is in shambles and on the brink of complete collapse
        No it’s not.
        You’re not the first fool who claims to be living in the end of times. You won’t be the last. Eventually, you will be proven wrong.

      • #228295
        Anonymous
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        > bad thing happen
        > god hate me

      • #228299
        Anonymous
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        I think it’s more that he had a temper tantrum because things weren’t going his way, and decided to leave things as they were until people "realised" how badly they need him.

    • #228126
      Anonymous
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      Humans creating virtual realities and artificial intelligence.

    • #228127
      Anonymous
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      How there is countless examples of "the goldilocks theory" throughout Earth. One of the biggest I’d say would be an Eclipse, and how the size/space between the Moon and the Sun fit like a glove from the perspective on Earth.
      Leading to three conclusions:
      >We are the only life in the universe and all the goldilocks matchups were needed for that (atheist, and a rather weak and holed argument)
      >We live in a simulation (transhumanist, also in that sense a "god" or demiurge it’s still implied)
      >Divine Creation created the coincidences we see that govern our planet (and that doesn’t have to be strict like say othordox religions believe)

      • #228131
        Anonymous
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        https://i.imgur.com/1NE0J8l.gif

        – does "life" include tardigrades and non-local electromagnetic phenomena
        – is "simulation" a meta-physical paradigm or a scientific theory: it isn’t clear who is to judge whether or not there is a simulation, nor what style is to be used, nor whether the judgement is centralized or diffuse; tell us how do we individuate the judgement of simulation
        – is there a hazard in allowing any prankster to set up "spooky coincidences" using material readily available to any graduate student in statistics
        see
        https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/RWG/book.html
        >Reversible Markov Chains and Random Walks on Graphs
        There are absolutely scientific ways to hack LULZ digits, and these methods have been disseminated in the public internet for at least a quarter century. This is the stuff on the internet that is too hot to print!
        In short, your judgement is a casino, and MK-ULTRA has been counting cards in your head! While the formula for the secret sauce has been in plain view the entire time!
        This is why mentalists get a bad reputation XD

        • #228146
          Anonymous
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          >XD
          Kys

        • #228265
          Anonymous
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          Are you a bot? What’s 0/0

      • #228187
        Anonymous
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        woke af. conclusion #3 sounds like the one
        good post anon

      • #228189
        Anonymous
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        >We are the only life in the universe and all the goldilocks matchups were needed for that (atheist, and a rather weak and holed argument)
        For the record I agree with option three, but I’m not really sure I’ve ever heard an atheist say that we are the only life in the universe as a statement of fact. Atheists are a lot less hostile toward the idea of alien life then people who are religiously conservative/orthodox. Alien life is not threatening to the atheist worldview. If aliens touched down tomorrow on top of the Empire State Building it would do nothing to contradict atheism, but it would do a hell of a lot of damage to the notion that God created Adam and Eve at the dawn of time and gave them dominion over the world. Genesis doesn’t say anything about God creating Klingons

        • #228206
          Anonymous
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          If their was life on other planets, they would probably look at our solar system setup as too impossibly perfect, especially Earth>Moon>Sun distance, Moon density to size, ect.
          Then we would be challenged to explain why that is the case too. Life on other planets would create a lot more questions than the existence of god though.

        • #228215
          Anonymous
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          It doesn’t contradict god at all. He created all life. I don’t expect him to sit around bored for the rest of eternity. He has to keep himself entertained woke afamehow.

          • #228298
            Anonymous
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            Go ask your local parish what they think about the possibility of life on other planets. It’s neat that you think this doesn’t contradict Christianity, but Christianity disagrees

    • #228128
      Anonymous
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      you can
      – let God save you from Sin
      – argue for the "existence" of this and that with your friends
      this existence stuff is just a cover story for trading gay pick up lines and pretending it doesn’t go back to the Greeks and YMCA
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k
      Q: Why are you contaminating being saved from Sin, which is important, with playing at gay pick up lines..are you gay or something?
      A: …

    • #228130
      Anonymous
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      My favorite arguments are
      >Anselm’s ontological argument (it’s not as scrotebrained as you think)
      >Leibniz’s cosmological argument
      But really, these arguments don’t give you a complete picture of God. They are just a starting point, especially useful for atheists or normies who don’t understand basic theology. Any "argument" from God can only give you a small glimpse of the truth. If you really want to learn more, read "The Experience of God" by David Bentley Hart and "De Doctia Ignorantia" by Nicholas of Cusa.

      • #228157
        Anonymous
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        A version of Cornelius Van Til’s transcendental argument for God’s existence as popularized and utilized by the late theologian and Christian apologist Dr. Greg Bahnsen

        Effectively, the argument states that any belief system that omits the existence of God is illogical and self defeating because there is no basis for the existence of the laws of logic in a worldview without God. It challenges the debate opponent to offer up a single view of the universe without God and allows the debater making the case for God’s existence to poke holes in any and every possible worldview.

        I’m also a fan of Anselm’s ontological argument for God. It’s a clever argument and filters out brainlets.

        • #228168
          Anonymous
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          >ontological arguments
          >he doesn’t understand existence is not a predicate.

          • #228213
            Anonymous
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            >want perfect gf to be in perfect love with
            >god sends gf to you that is too perfect to exist in the material realm
            >helps you spiritually grow and perfect your spirit so you can exist in the higher dimension together
            its not how I imagined it but cant say he didnt deliver

    • #228134
      Anonymous
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      • #228136
        Anonymous
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        God is the one who came up with the myth of existence.
        You can’t do demand generation shilling for the myth of existence by testing it out on a mythological character.
        You have to test out the myth of existence on actual stuff in the real world.
        The myth of existence is what you’re offering to us. It should be tested against reality, not meta-physics.

      • #228198
        Anonymous
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        You skipped a few steps.
        L2 is the questionable axiom.

        • #228251
          Anonymous
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          This basically says "if god exists, then god exists"

          • #228273
            Anonymous
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            It’s more like "If God might exist, God exists."

            • #228290
              Anonymous
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              In a supposedly infinite universe, if anything at all might exist, then it exists. Including versions of yourself bajillions light milleniums away from the observable universe. If the universe is infinite, then there is an exact copy of yourself out there somewhere, who is EXACTLY like yourself except for 1 single subatomic particle placement at any point in time.

              IF that’s the case, then yeah God exist.

              I’m a christian and devout, but such things are so out of our control and knowledge, that it isn’t even relevant.

    • #228137
      Anonymous
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      Existence

    • #228138
      Lexus LX 450
      Guest

      Say, hypothetically, there was a being named God who was so powerful he could manifest his being from the instigating moment of his hypothesis
      i realized this when Roko’s basilisk was a thing, the thought experiment was valid except for the fact of its malevolence, realized there was an equal and opposite chance of an entity you can call "anons care bear" who will always be there to zap the thought monsters with a love beam.

    • #228139
      Anonymous
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      Just the fact I’m even able to do any of this. Or that any of you exist. Or that any of this technology exists. We’re clearly going somewhere, it’s just part of the game to feel like you’re in the dark.

      • #228312
        Anonymous
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        >that image
        You’re very spooky, you know.

    • #228140
      Anonymous
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      https://i.imgur.com/wdbxMqo.gif

      >What is the greatest, most convincing argument for God’s existence, in your opinion?

      For me, it came from trying to imagine "the smallest thing." All sciences (biology, chemistry, etc) are higher-order descriptions of physics playing out on varying macro scales. We’re finding more and more precise ways to model how the universe operates woke af on our descriptions of physical laws, but as I see it there can only be one of two possibilities. Either there is no "smallest thing," the universe is entirely self-referential, and all things happen because something else happened, because something else happened, in an infinite loop that eats its own tail, or there is a "smallest thing," which possesses particular attributes arbitrarily. If there is a "smallest thing" or absolute basic building block of all material reality, its attributes cannot be the result of any material thing more fundamental than itself. To me, the fundamental, arbitrary attributes of this "smallest thing" are either God itself or, as I tend to believe because of my upbringing, representative of the kernel of all Created Things, made by a God which encompasses and permeates, but also extends beyond, Creation.

      • #228207
        Anonymous
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        They’re called atoms lad

        • #228208
          Anonymous
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          We havent found anything that can truly fit the meaning of the word "unable to be cut".
          And what we call atoms we have already determined to be made of smaller things.

        • #228228
          Anonymous
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          https://i.imgur.com/wrXOOqR.gif

          >They’re called atoms lad

          The things we call atoms are objectively not the "smallest thing." Atoms as defined by science are absolutely made up of smaller things (quarks, which I addressed in my post). Likewise, this does not in any way address the content of that post. Imagining a fantasy world where atoms ARE the "smallest thing," you would have atoms of different types (elements) which had different traits arbitrarily. We know the traits of atoms are not arbitrary, because those traits are dependent on smaller things (protons, neutrons, electrons, and further down quarks, and further down other quantum strangeness), but if atoms WERE the smallest thing, the differences in elements would be arbitrary differences, and exist "just because."

          What I’m saying is, at some level of precision, there are things in the universe which are the "smallest thing," and whose traits NECESSARILY have to be arbitrary, because they cannot be the result of complex interactions of smaller things. Those arbitrary traits are the choice God made. Again, unless all matter just loops back on itself so that the smaller things have traits woke af on interactions of the larger things which have traits woke af on interactions of the smaller things. In that case, the universe is perhaps less "created" by God and more "equivalent" to God.

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      • #228292
        Anonymous
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        Good post sis, interesting perspective.
        To add unto what you have said, it has apparently been mathematically proved that the universe actually IS infinitely divisable, or as you said it:
        >"there is no "smallest thing""
        This has been proved via finite infinite series.

        So, this concludes, as you very nicely put it, that reality is in fact "Eating its own tail", it is an infinite loop, an oroboros.
        This, for me, acts as a good proof of the fact that science and religion are far from mutually exclusive, and that in fact, they support eachother in the pursuit of truths. Just as the old christian scientists of Europe believed.
        The more i think about the existence of something greater than us, the more sense it makes. The problem with atheism, is that from my perspective, it presumes sooo much. In your belief in that nothing greater than us exist, you actually end up implying that humanity itself is the greatest thing in existence most of the time. This arrogance, in my experience, permeates throughout all atheists and their opinions, atleast of the ones I have had the chance to speak candidly with.

        • #228294
          Anonymous
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          >This, for me, acts as a good proof of the fact that science and religion are far from mutually exclusive, and that in fact, they support eachother in the pursuit of truths.

          Amen sis.
          Atheists believe that any science proves the divine impossible, too many Theists believe that God makes science a lie.

    • #228141
      Anonymous
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      I’m 5’4 164 pounds and I have a nine inch dick. God is a
      comedian

    • #228142
      Anonymous
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      Love

    • #228143
      Anonymous
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      Once you get over the idea that things are separated, then you get left with this really big one-ness type deal. It makes sense to call that oneness God if you vibe with that word.

    • #228144
      Anonymous
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    • #228145
      Anonymous
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      That God (arche Logos) is the reason itself.

    • #228147
      Anonymous
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      thomas aquinas’s 5 ways, look em up they’re too long to explain in post but they’re pretty convincing

    • #228148
      Anonymous
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      Music. It literally has point yet we’re obsessed with it.

    • #228149
      Anonymous
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      1 and 2.

    • #228153
      Anonymous
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      fibonacci sequence

      • #228188
        Anonymous
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        Little known fact, the gnomish language is also a nzmber system, and when you translate "the garden of eden" and "tree of knowledge of good and evil" and "fruit of knowledge of good and evil" in its original gnomish words then you get numbers that are part of the fibbonacci sequence

        So either garden gnomes knew about fibbonacci sequence and golden ratio before everyone or word of God is beautiful and we should listen to it more often

    • #228154
      Anonymous
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      Had mr heart stop for several minutes after a suicide attempt in which i drank a litre of anti freeze and chased it with liquor and pills. Due to organ failure and shock my heart stopped and breathing was strained especially since i was in writhing pain for the glycol tracer they needed for dialysis for my blood. I felt every single organ shut off like i could feel death creep over my body. Its like a really sharp cold that burns across your body tensing up before being released into nothing. As i was staring at the roof of the ambulance i wasnt thinking much except how much it hurt and that “holy fuck im dying”. When i finally left behind my eyes I sunk so freaking fast. It felt like i just was dropped into a bottomless pit. I wanted to jolt up but there was no up, or even me to react like i was there and not simultaneously. Then a gentle breeze hit my very inside like i got a chill where my heart should be. Then it felt like someone waking me or turning me around to see something but as it happened i woke up out of a coma flailing and trying rip out my breathing tube screaming. Oddly enough no permanent damage to anything. The doctors said they seen nothing like it and use my case to this day in teaching at the university hospital. I know its not really proof, but to me nothing has left me from the experience. Or being in the void and feeling as if i have been there before

      • #228254
        Anonymous
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        I hope you are in a better place today anon

    • #228155
      Anonymous
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      logic dictates that god does not exist and religion is a useless device only taken up by the weak minded and woefully smooth of brain.

      • #228156
        Anonymous
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        cope midwit

      • #228161
        Anonymous
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        https://i.imgur.com/9uFqBRo.gif

        >God not real
        >religion bad
        >you dumb

      • #228163
        Anonymous
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        Logic is God

      • #228193
        Anonymous
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        Bait

      • #228216
        Anonymous
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        Why would Christ encourage the pursuit of wisdom?

      • #228296
        Anonymous
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        RELIGION IS FOR MIDWITS, BUT I HECKIN’ LOVE SCIENCE MAN WOWZERS

    • #228158
      Anonymous
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      I don’t believe in the Christian God. I resonate more with Pantheism tbh.

    • #228159
      Anonymous
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      That which is cannot come from that which is not. God is the necessary being from which all contingent beings emerge. Simple as.

    • #228160
      Anonymous
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      Which one?

      • #228169
        Anonymous
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        Logos

        • #228197
          Anonymous
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          >30035424
          If not the Jungian definition. I would say, nothing. Even if he exists he is the most ruthless dictatior/sadist there can be.

    • #228162
      Anonymous
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      Direct experience of God. Nothing else should be considered an argument for God’s existence.

    • #228165
      Anonymous
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      God is not proved (or disproved) by arguments. You either meet Him or you don’t.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqEDhKKPl-o

    • #228170
      Anonymous
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      […]

      >God isn’t logical or rational
      God is the logic itself

    • #228172
      Anonymous
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      One time an atheist said something cringe, so that means God definitely exists.

    • #228174
      Anonymous
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      Idk, I don’t give explanations to mentally ill people such as atheists.

      • #228178
        Anonymous
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        […]

        Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. […]
        Proverbs 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

        Proverbs 9:7-9
        >7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
        >8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
        >9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

        • #228179
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yeah, that’s another schizo, not only are atheist deluded schizos but christians give them a good name.
          Why in hell would God command someone to burn his food over human feces, scrote. Does he want to be gotten over by skanky fedoras saying he’s a schizo?

          You never used your brain, so the first time you do, it might hurt a bit, but think for a moment.

    • #228175
      Anonymous
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      […]

      How would you know?
      >you don’t do what I say
      Sadly, you aren’t God, so who cares.

      • #228181
        Anonymous
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        How do you know God? Is it something you read in a book? Or, let’s be real, something someone else read in a book and you absorbed over the years through cultural osmosis. How do you know the book is true? Why do you believe that God chose to convey his message in this preposterously stupid way instead of allowing us to just ask him? And what’s really funny is that that is something he said he’d do in the book, but for some reason Christians ignore this. The book says God comes to whomever seeks him and he does not tell lies. The book says only an evil parent would give their child rocks when they asked for fish. So if someone far outside of Israel looked to the Heavens and sought answers, why do you assume God lied to them? Isn’t it more likely that you’re the ones who bonked up the message, not him?

        • #228182
          Anonymous
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          >Is it something you read in a book?
          No.
          You discard all beliefs, then you meditate. Eventually, but only if God wants, you merge with his consciousness.

          • #228184
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Can literally confirm this as a Kabbalist, seek and you will find

          • #228200
            Anonymous
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            >you merge with his consciousness.
            So the exact same result as if you were His enemy and insulted Him constantly.

        • #228185
          Anonymous
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          >but for some reason Christians ignore this
          That’s because the Church is genuinely evil. Not all the members of it, mind you, but definitely the institution. There are so many passages in the Gospels that could be interpreted in different ways, but when one of those passages comes up, you can bet your soul that the Church will go with the least charitable and most self serving option. Take for instance Matthew 8:5-13
          >“Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
          Jesus says this after he healed the servant of a Pagan Centurion. The centurion mentions that he is a man like Christ with servants like he has. This episode can be interpreted as Jesus saying that people of other faiths, provided they follow the same ethical rules that Christ teaches can be saved.

          Unsurprisingly, this is not how the church reads it. Their contention is that the power of Christ is so strong that people who believe in him can be saved even if they know virtually nothing about him. It’s not like Christ gave the dude a handbook which would instruct him on how to be Christian, so we kind of have to presume that he didn’t go home and become one. You can say faith not acts, and that’s fine I guess, but then why the fuck do you bother with the rest of the Bible? The whole thing could be made up of a single sentence. It could literally just read "A bunch of shit happened but what’s important is that you believe that Jesus saves" and it would have the exact same function. But if people believe that the only way to get to Heaven is through the Church and the Church alone, that gives them a particularly special place of prominence in the world, so that’s what they go with

          • #228186
            Anonymous
            Guest

            It’s exactly the same as how they interpret the 2 great commands
            >On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
            >26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
            >27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”
            >28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
            This story appears in one form or another in each synoptic gospel. If there is any teaching in the Bible we can confidently say Christ truly taught, it’s pretty much this. These are unambiguously the two rules one must follow to inherit salvation, straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ. Given that in Matthew he adds that these are the laws upon which all law and prophecy hinges, it’s safe to assume that if someone tells you to do something which causes you to disobey one or both rules, that person must necessarily be a false teacher.

            This can lead to one of two conclusions. The first being that if you do these to things faithfully then you will be saved, regardless of what religion you profess. If that is unclear, Jesus follows it up with the parable of the Good Samaritan, which is about how a person of a different faith who treats you with kindness is more a neighbor than people from your own faith who do not. It’s pretty freaking obvious, but this not how the Church sees it. They claim that loving God with your entire heart, spirit and mind means doing everything the Bible says unquestionably. But this is preposterous given that by that logic, the Samaritan referenced in the parable would be bound for Hell, and if you regard them as though you were the same person as Christ literally just told you to, that’s no different than you burning in Hell. And how do you love a God who’s presently burning you in Hell? Can’t be done.

    • #228177
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      Because you say so, of course.
      I know many things, including God, capital G but not biblical.
      God doesn’t care for a shitpost.
      God wants only one thing.
      And you aren’t doing it.

    • #228180
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Existence

    • #228183
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The Great Reset being the thing that births The Beast of Revelations is a hell of an argument.

      Watching The Pope give Nancy Pelosi a Masonic pass grip during a photo Op gave it all away. Peter the Roman is already sitting in Rome because the last book is happening now of you consider COVID "not being serious" to be the illusion that deceived.

      The state of the world right now is the best argument I know of, we have been deservingly forsaken for straying too far. And as a Kabbalist, the world deserves this fate

    • #228190
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Life itself maybe? but i guess not everyone likes that idea.

    • #228192
      Ar
      Guest

      The world aligning with you in the present moment and you realizing what is happening in that very moment. Nothing else occupies your mind but the heavenly feeling of the universe agreeing with the path you are taking during your journey.

    • #228194
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Awareness *isn’t* matter: the *significant* difference between a corpse & a living-organism *isn’t* caused by neutrons, protons, or electrons, it is instead caused by entanglement/knowing and by probability-wave/intent/will that makes the biochemistry be more negentropic/living in the living, and does not do so in corpses.

      Awareness exists in a spectrum, and we are high-enough to have self-determination, but the spectrum keeps going up, to infinity.

      Our souls are CellsOfAllgod/ChildrenOfGod, it is they that are in the "image" of god, not our bodies.

      Any fool can have a population do the inner-light meditation experiment for 7 years and measure that some who do it have our upper-skulls expand, as our brains blossom, due to meditation-induced gene-activations.

      Do the experiment, and some get the results.

      If ANY one gets the result, that falsifies "that is false: it can’t happen".

      The blossoming of one’s upper-brain weaves one into LivingSpirit more, enabling more & subtler meditation-capabilities.

      ( :

    • #228195
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The complexity of design visable in nature, the human body etc etc. Evolution just dosen’t satisfy or convince me as an explanation for it all.

    • #228196
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Ex Athiest here who’s been taking time to do serious inquiry into spiritual matters for the past few months. I don’t like the term religious or spiritual, so if anybody asks i’m athiest. However I believe I know what God is & cannot deny its existence.

      "Everything is connected to everything else on almost every level & angle". This is what we mean by God at the most basic level. A grand unified, eternal connected structure that you, everyone else & all of existence is part of.
      This is due to the entirety of the universe developing simultaneously, causing it all to be interconnected. Nothing can be taken individually and must be treated as a holistic whole.
      This includes internal, interpersonal interconnectedness & also the kind we aren’t aware of yet & will never & cannot know due to limits of human understanding & logical systems (see shit like godel), making it "transcendental & unknowable"

      We simply call this structure God, in the same way you would label physical quantities with numbers, you label this eternal divine connection as God.
      I don’t think personification is necessary, but i’m still mulling that 1 over

      • #228205
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >I don’t like the term religious or spiritual, so if anybody asks i’m athiest.
        Just say you’re a theist

        • #228209
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I dislike the connotations of all of those terms

    • #228199
      Anonymous
      Guest

      My direct experience of God.
      Or did you mean for other people?

    • #228201
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Reincarnation cases
      >Mediumship abilities
      >Law of cause and effect
      There’s more I wrote on a blog but I’m too lazy to get it up right now

    • #228202
      Anonymous
      Guest

      God is not really that subtle about it.
      >Ezekiel 35.
      >I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.

    • #228204
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Picrel proves that Revelation 8:12 has been fulfilled. Once you see all of the information, there is nothing to dispute. And keep in mind, the mainstream media has not picked up this story yet.

      https://www.rev812.com

    • #228210
      Pr?nc?ss Sevenleaf
      Guest

      I don’t have any "arguments" because I don’t have time to waste on atheist simpletons.

      Most atheists/christians (two sides of the same coin) don’t even know how to pray properly. They literally think prayer is just getting on your knees and talking, like you’re roleplaying being on the phone with God.

    • #228211
      Anonymous
      Guest

      That we are here to ponder His existence.

    • #228212
      Anonymous
      Guest
    • #228214
      Anonymous
      Guest

      If there actually was a Big Bang, then who triggered it? What was the original cause? It had to be intention.

      • #228218
        Anonymous
        Guest

        That’s the normal mode of causation – a positive causation of give-and-receive. But there is also negative causation, where Platonic truth causes something to occur in order to avoid contradiction.

        • #228223
          Anonymous
          Guest

          This, and consciousness is derived from God. The platonic world is a fractal, every ideal refers to every other ideal in some way. A drawing of a circle is an imperfect representation of a perfect circle. But a perfect circle is an imperfect representation of every almost-circle.

          • #228286
            Anonymous
            Guest

            God the Son is the platonic ideal that all humans are imperfect representations of. Hence being made in his image. God the Father is the mathematical/logical ideal, that caused existence by necessity.

    • #228221
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Nothing is the greatest proven fact that God exists!
      People just worship other things and confuse themselves.

    • #228222
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      You should work on your English

    • #228224
      Anonymous
      Guest
    • #228225
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      Look, I get LULZ has a lot of LARPing idiots who just write nonsense, but could you just not for once? Or at least stay in your "nobody general" containment thread

    • #228226
      Anonymous
      Guest

      God is electricity formed during volcano eruptions. The pyramids are man made electromagnetic volcanos.

    • #228227
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You exist.

    • #228229
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I do not require evidence! God exists even without me being a hypocrite! Did not God create the devil himself? What power does he not have on him then?

    • #228230
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Everything has a cause. There is no random object existing in this universe, everything containst information. If the universe were to always exist and not be created, then a speck of dust is just as godly as the sun, they just always existed just like that, in their own state, this doesn’t make sense because the singularity, the primal force can only be one, not literally everything.

      • #228233
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >there is no effect without cause
        yes yes bla bla bla we’ve heard this one
        so what caused god?

        • #228234
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >So what caused god
          Well we’re here, aren’t we? We didn’t come from nothing, we came from god, so all I know is this. Where did God come from? I don’t know, I think he always was

          • #228235
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >I think he always was
            yeah, but you know how much of an unsatisfying answer that sounds right?
            if god "just is" why can’t the universe "just be"?

            • #228259
              Anonymous
              Guest

              If the Universe just is, that means the Universe is God, but this Universe goes beyond what you think of as the Universe. At this point it’s all about words.

            • #228287
              Anonymous
              Guest

              The universe needs a cause because it exists purely in a causal timeline. God doesn’t, as he is outside causal time (time itself). That’s what God just is means. Not that he was there for eternity before creating the world, for eternity is inside time, but he just was and therefore created.

              The universe needs a beginning.
              God doesn’t.

    • #228232
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Really really sorry for cringechat, but I had a moment of clarity and had to capture it in the first second. I thought about the laws of the universe, and how well everything that exists is confined within them, this stuff HAS to be created. I truly belive my pic has the ultimate argument for God, well, at least the ultimate because no atheist can debunk it

      • #228249
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Nothing exist perfectly, it’s just that the clump of particles that make us who we are are perfectly adapted to the environment and the universe around us. If we existed inside an active volcano as beings made out of molten lava, we’d still say "wow sis there surely must be a god because look how well the entire universe and existence fits us" despite the fact that an active volcano wouldn’t be suited for anything else but us

        I agree with the sentiment though. Everything is daijoubu, even the bad stuff. And I do believe in God

    • #228236
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Ok so basicality being, you are only priests in here and you are freaking scrotebrained! Go to pornhub, the category section and study the Young/Old category. That is the pope with thirten year old Lisa An. Since anybody could be like a priest, i watch you to share this with another priest who must share it with one more. I trust you to not judge another. Abandon your devils!
      Forestry is not God, neither is soup nor slumber!

    • #228237
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      I would if I knew what the fault is

    • #228238
      Anonymous
      Guest

      spambots are pooping up the thread

      • #228240
        Anonymous
        Guest

        How the fuck do spambots solve the captcha? Take your meds, skit.

        • #228241
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Read the thread for yourself.

    • #228243
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Thank you mods for cleaning that up

    • #228244
      Anonymous
      Guest

      That everything is real
      And nothing is a mathematical abstraction
      Seems like it should be reversed

    • #228245
      Anonymous
      Guest

      His perfect word that we can handle in our own hands, the word of life

    • #228247
      Anonymous
      Guest

      shameless bump

    • #228250
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I don’t believe in a god but the power of one

      When opposites come together they make a contradiction

      If there is an opposite to everything logic is the opposite of contradictions

      The definition of god is the one who can make contradictions that is the only way he could prove itself to be a god

      Do contradictions exist? Well maybe something came from nothing and so much of contradictions have a role in a out look in life and art

      Do contradictions exist?

    • #228252
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The people in charge atm are Satanists who openly hate God

    • #228253
      Anonymous
      Guest

      god doesn’t real

      pic related

    • #228255
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I saw Jesus when I was very young. Must have just been a dream, I was about 3-4 yo, but it was vivid. I woke up to the light being on, and there he was standing next to the bed, I could see the light emitted from the form he was in. It filled the room like a bright, but soft all encompassing light & calming warmth. I was startled at first, until he steps closer and laid his hand on the top of my head. I saw him speaking but couldn’t hear, although I felt I understood and that I could go back to sleep, so I rolled over & laid back down to sleep. Never had another dream or visit from jc again.

      Whether I woke up in the dream and going back to sleep was in the dream, or woke up and back to sleep irl, I have no clue. I remember it vividly in my minds eye, although imagery of the big guy IRL since then has clouded exactly what he looked like. The long hair, white robes and scars in the hands were all very clear though. Tallish. I told my parents the next morning and they were shocked, and eventually brought home a wall picture to see if it was similar to what I saw. Similar, but not quite. I still haven’t figured out what the message in the dream was.

    • #228256
      Anonymous
      Guest

      When good thing happens, God real
      When bad thing happens, God not real
      Don’t see a whole lotta good…

    • #228257
      Anonymous
      Guest

      That God is the Cosmos

    • #228258
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      if pewd’s garry’s mod vids are proof god exists, then markiplier’s prop hunt videos are proof that hell exists

    • #228262
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The probability that reality, as we know it, being a simulation linearly increase with our ability to simulate reality. Pretty much if we can 100% simulate reality (which computational power is the main issue, quantum speed up will unlock this for us), then we are 100% living in a simulation. God is the architect of our simulation and interacts with us through it. He exists outside of space/time/strings/M-branes/etc… but set the rules and let it all play out. Angels are mods, demons are trolls, and we are the users that He loves

      • #228307
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I find this take arrogant and egocentric, no different than elevating man to be God. Just because we currently build computers and computational models we assume our way of thinking with machines to be the highest level of intelligence, on par with God creating the universe, when mankind knows jack shit about the universe. Just because simulations are technically feasible doesn’t mean it can or has happened. It’s no different than Descarte’s Demonic simulation of reality, rebranded for the iPhone generation. Yes it could be true, there’s no way of knowing for sure. But it’s arrogant to assume our reality is a simulation being generated by a machine like the ones we can create, or that man can make a simulation that’s anything more than a pale shadow of our current reality. We can’t even make good MMOs without bugs and glitches and micro-transactions, and people think it’ll be possible for us to simulate a new reality worth living in?

    • #228263
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Mathematics AND music.
      >t. STEM student who plays guitar

    • #228267
      Anonymous
      Guest

      to the person who said "if jesus is going to come back he would have already" read peter 3:3-4 bud.

    • #228269
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The thought that something had to have somewhere along the line "made" us. How can consciousness arise from chemical reaction? How can we as lumps of meat think things beyond basic sustenance. Do the migratory birds worry about their upcoming journey as we would? Do they fear not finding a mate or not having enough twig to make a nest? Do they feel love as we do, the feeling of your heart skipping a beat upon the sight of their mate? Do they have friends and enemies they wish well or I’ll to? If given the right circumstances, could they? That what lifts us above the animal kingdom is that of feeling, that if the ability to contemplate, plan and advance.
      That is my proof of God.

      • #228284
        Anonymous
        Guest

        what really got me into believing in god is how our human consciousness arise out of such a complex chemical structure. It is not like atoms intrinsically arranged themselves into such. Furthermore, how can a structure DNA arise from the elements itself? There has to be a higher force commanding all this.

    • #228271
      Anonymous
      Guest

      https://i.imgur.com/MaLscrote7.gif

      universe is infinite and in an infinite universe anything goes and will go

    • #228272
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I would say life being shitty is proof
      only a self important narcissistic piece of shit would create something this awful
      I would see god existing as the ultimate bonked situation
      freaking looser would prolly think its okay to make everyone suffer for his amusement in the afterlife
      if hes up there you forced me to exist against my will and I hate you for it. I was fine being nothing.

    • #228274
      Anonymous
      Guest

      nasa had a leak and it was confirmed. the back ground radiation for the big bang isnt broken plate shit. they garbled it and still lie in "documentaries" to this day but nasa confirmed it

      the real background radiation resembles a mans face and 1 hand out to the side far away from the face about where you would expect a hand to be present if it was extended a little in front of the man and lowish near stumach

      the other hand is not visible or they havent found it in the data

      • #228279
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Ahhh you got a source on that anon?

    • #228275
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Your existence

    • #228277
      Anonymous
      Guest

      life is suffering

    • #228278
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s really simple do your meditation correctly and you don’t need any any proofs and arguments or anything like that you would know instantly.

      I still cant warp it around my head that people have to believe in God. Like for fuck sakes just go do your freaking meditations and connect to source energy you will be able to feel it.

    • #228281
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Peoples in their utter scrotebraination believe that this reality is different then any dream they had while sleeping but it’s not. Only thing that is different here is that you are tied to your body until you die.

      If you ever experienced or train with lucid dreaming did you ever felt that you are floating between two worlds ? It was your own consciousness trying to wake up, you where at the verge of this reality and your dream.

      Now i will ask you this how do you think this reality works ? Hmmm ?
      It’s quite the same you are not allowed to reach enough energy for disconnecting from this world because your internal processes like thinking and tons of different programs emotions are consuming this energy but once you stop doing this you will be able to lift into another dimension or more likely to see in another dimension you will be able to become wind or a water and even control them and why ? Because they are just part of the dream that you are living in once you will have enough energy everything that is lower then you have to obey the higher it’s a rule of this universe.

      Higher rule over lower and lower submit to higher.

      If i really have to explain more of this shit then you have to be dumb to not realize enough and you should put your head from the ass and start thinking about stuff.

    • #228282
      NEO-DIO
      Guest

      Joseph of Yeshua:

      "I do not exist.
      I just am.
      At your holy mother’s house of ill repute…"

    • #228283
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Sunday’s have always felt lazy to me. Supposedly, God rested on the seventh day, that being Sunday. Looking at it that way, it’s like that act alone sent this ripple through space and time that compels people to sit down on this specific day.

    • #228285
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I like the Christian idea that there are 7 heavens of immortal chaos where Gods come to be only to be eatten by Yaldaboath once causing their destined Appocalypse. It makes me feel like if God really were out there somewhere, he was eaten by the Holy God Eater like the rest of them, unless he attained EIn Sof and just went thoughtless to prevent causing an apocalypse (which is pointless if everyone there is immortal)

    • #228289
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Your entire perspective is woke af around your life. You don’t spend time searching for god, you’ll never see the patterns they leave behind. If you only search for a way to disprove, you’ll only find something to disprove.

      The concept of God has been around for years, throughout thought and language. It’s why David’s talk with god was rough, as David couldn’t understand grander topics like the soul or remorse. The words and knowledge simply didn’t exist.

      Lambs had to follow the herder and goats find their own way, their own understanding. People don’t find a soul because they have no knowledge on what separates the soul from the rest of the body. You don’t have knowledge of Gods existence because you don’t have the knowledge to identify gods existence.

    • #228293
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Probably the fact that the Bible and God have been perverted by groups throughout history. In a weird reverse way, the actual Biblical texts advocate for systems that as far as I can tell totally contradict modern organised Christianity like Catholicism.

      If the Bible was written for any self serving reasons it wouldn’t say half the things it does. I DO believe that organised religions (like Catholic Church) are morally wrong; God doesn’t care if you act a certain way through fear and force.

      For the record I’m agnostic, so I’m totally willing to believe but don’t really see any more or less evidence to commit to Christianity specifically.

    • #228297
      Anonymous
      Guest

      we are in hell
      there are no gods here
      buckle up

    • #228301
      Anonymous
      Guest

      https://i.imgur.com/JZ6tKgI.gif

      Atheists laugh at how ridiculous they see the idea of God because they never stop to think that they literally believe that the universe suddenly appeared from nothing with the parameters to sustain life.

      Ask a staunch atheist "Why does anything exist? Why not nothing, forever?" and they will immediately launch into a prethought answer as if they’re debating you rather than actually stopping to contemplate the question as a human being.

      • #228304
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Why do you think there has to be a reason for existence?

        • #228305
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The "why" in my question doesn’t necessarily mean "For what purpose," it means "How likely is it that this is the case?" It’s a rhetorical question just meant to get someone thinking.

          The purpose of the question isn’t to prove that God exists, because technically even if He does the question isn’t answered. It’s a response to how many atheists act or talk like science has explained pretty much all the great mysteries about life, rendering philosophy obsolete. It’s as if they don’t realize how trippy current views on early cosmology actually are.

    • #228302
      Anonymous
      Guest
    • #228303
      Anonymous
      Guest

      christmas

    • #228308
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Jesus maketh Baal into holy spirit

    • #228309
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Well, at the very least I find it hard how anything exists at all. Like, I literally can’t wrap my mind around it. Yet here we are.

    • #228310
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The fractal nature of evolution.
      Organism X radiates into 2 orders of life, each of which radiates or splits into two others, and on and on. It’s like a beginner’s "If, Then, Else" computer program: simple, efficient, and ever expanding. Most chemical reactions have a stopping point, where energy is used up, and the materials reach a state of equilibrium or inertia. Organic materials just don’t stop reacting. If you consider all the life forms on Earth as part of a colonial or macro-organism, then effectively the same recursive function, the same reaction, has been continuously running for umpteen million years, since the end of the Hadean Eon.
      If anything could convince me of a higher power or designer, that does it.
      Because an architect doesn’t build a tower on his own, he hands down a set of instructions and watches the building rise. A programmer doesn’t code every line himself, he finds shortcuts, reuses code, and lets routines fill gaps. A gardener doesn’t pull fully-grown plants up from the soil, he plants seeds, and then watches them grow.
      Evolution doesn’t prove that God doesn’t exist. It doesn’t conflict with Theology at all, it only demonstrates that Hebrew sheep herders and literal cave-dwellers weren’t ready (4000 years ago) to know what we do now. If anything, it reinforces that our world was someone’s project. Look at the golden-ratio growth of a nautilus shell, and compare it to the growth of rings of petals in a rose.

      2+1=3; 3+2=5; 5+3=8; 8+5=13. Now compare that pattern to the arrangement of features in your own body.

    • #228311
      NEO-DIO
      Guest

      Joseph of Yeshua:
      "If you want ANSWERS,
      it’ll cost you.
      Money won’t do,
      you gotta pony up them artifacts.
      Any timeline will do.
      Cash ain’t shit in the realm of the Aetherian Phoenix Entities."

    • #228313
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Other people exist with us in the universe (other consciousnesses)

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