Why are we pretending fascism is “things we don’t like”?

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    • #125258
      Anonymous
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      >what is fascism?
      >thing I don’t like of course

    • #125259
      Anonymous
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      >opponents of Fascism had no idea what it was
      Makes sense

      • #125331
        Anonymous
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        Unironically this is why the word should be ditched in political discourse and academics. The name of an ideology should be determined by the name of the founder even if the founder made it a name since there will be modern interpretations that use the name that still differ.

        Fascism is the partnership between government and corporations to control key resources (via legislation, funding and contracts) where the rest of the economy is largely unregulated.

        What people call fascism is actually totalitarianism which can exists in any form of government.

        Fascism is a flavor is socialism. The USA was founded as a weak fascist system which is why there are fasci (the stick/axe) all over houses of government.

        • #125332
          Anonymous
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          So why has every single fascist regime been totalitarian in some way?

          Or was there one that allowed their citizens to participate in government (voting, petitions, etc…) and that allowed them civil liberties (free speech, gun ownership, religious freedom, etc…)? No, Nazis giving these ONLY to aryan Reich citizens while treating garden gnomes/gypsies/slavs/etc… like shit doesn’t count.

          • #125348
            Anonymous
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            >Why do we only pay attention to the totalitarian ones
            Because Reddlt and MSM is propaganda directed at midwits.

            Pre 1900 USA was weak fascist as was the Roman republic. In fact most of the time you’re talking about socialism it’s a flavor of fascism.

            Tl;dr muh nazzies is an example of a totalitarian version is fascism and the USA is text book successful fascism up till 1914 when the central bank took over.

        • #125349
          Anonymous
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          Fascism tried to sell itself as that, but it really was bullshit.

          Fascism is any series of philosophies espoused by a political group that are custom-designed to ensure the group remains on power- via popular support- at any means.
          These philosophies will change according to what’s convenient and what’s not. Hitler and Musso are old and obsolete. New fascists are a plenty and in all the continents.

          Latam facism claims to be socialist and anti-corporate because being socialist is considered the "normal" in the continent.
          The day that changes, fascists will start talking about how the country needs to open up to foreign investors.

          • #125351
            Anonymous
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            >Fascism claims to be that but isn’t
            No, it is.

            >Claims to be anti corporate
            No, it literally doesn’t

            You have a mental disorder dude.

          • #125359
            Anonymous
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            >These philosophies will change according to what’s convenient and what’s not
            scrote-speak for "everything I don’t like is secretly fascist"

          • #125402
            Anonymous
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            All this sounds like Biden and the Democrats

        • #125394
          Anonymous
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          >look mom I posted it again

      • #125386
        Anonymous
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        The same as today.

      • #125403
        Anonymous
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        Neither do facists

    • #125260
      Anonymous
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      Unironically this is why the word should be ditched in political discourse and academics. The name of an ideology should be determined by the name of the founder even if the founder made it a name since there will be modern interpretations that use the name that still differ.

      • #125261
        Anonymous
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        "Third position" works fine, but academics (and those who pressure them) are political hacks crammed full with cultral/historical/social biases. Trust Western political "science""""""" as much as Soviet biology.

        • #125265
          Anonymous
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          The difference is, Soviet biology actually ditched Lysenkoism once hard evidence for heredity and modern molecular biology started piling up in the 50s. A bit late, but better than never. Western academia makes Soviet academia look fair, free, and transparent by comparison.

          • #125272
            Anonymous
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            Amerimutts had their own Lysenko and his name was Ancel Keys.

          • #125333
            Anonymous
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            Amerimutts had their own Lysenko and his name was Ancel Keys.

            I love how communists still have useful idiots coping on their behalf a century later and well beyond even the slightest possibility of another communist state existing. You know an ideology was shilled HARD when its fumes alone are enough to damage the brains of people generations removed from it.

            • #125335
              Anonymous
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              >criticizing capitalism makes you a communist
              How does it feel, muttoid, that you’ll die diabetic, blind, and footless while Mexicans and Chinamen partition what remains of your country?

              • #125338
                Anonymous
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                >I’m totally not a communist you’re so ideological!
                >this is me masturbating over the fantasy of America dying
                The joke couldn’t be more on you, I’m Russian, чиcтый дeбил.

                • #125340
                  Anonymous
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                  >The joke couldn’t be more on you, I’m Russian, чиcтый дeбил.
                  Sure, let me rephrase that.

                  How does it feel, noviop, that you’ll die diabetic, blind, and footless while Chechens and Chinamen partition what remains of your country?

                  • #125344
                    Anonymous
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                    I’d bet anything I’m taller, can lift more, and make more money than you.

                    • #125345
                      Anonymous
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                      >and make more money than you.
                      not saying much since he does it for free

          • #125354
            Anonymous
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            >Western academia makes Soviet academia look fair, free, and transparent by comparison.
            The pain is unreal bros

        • #125293
          Anonymous
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          It’s not a third position it’s just right wing

        • #125352
          Anonymous
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          > "Third position" works fine.
          Something that isn’t A or B…
          It’s a shitty way of describing anything.

    • #125262
      Anonymous
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      I remember somewhere in The Greater Britain Oswald Mosley complained about fascism being misrepresented and labelled to just anyone people didn’t like. Some things never change.

    • #125263
      Anonymous
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      >fascistoid
      lmao

      • #125296
        Anonymous
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        literally reads like a LULZ thread

    • #125264
      Anonymous
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      Well, tbh calling SPD fascist was totally true, because they defended the bourgie state by the means of terror.
      And as soon as soviets began propagating electoralism and strategic alliances with bourgeois parties, they became reactionary as well.

    • #125266
      Anonymous
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      pretty much, it is just a liberal smear tactic

    • #125267
      Anonymous
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      The next paragraph is even more interesting

      The "anti-fascist" hysteria in Spain, which caused the left to tear the country apart occurred when there was basically no fascism.

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        Anonymous
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        • #125270
          Anonymous
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          • #125271
            Anonymous
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            >the socialists sowed the whirlwind and reaped the consequences

            lmao

          • #125276
            Anonymous
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            >Kills ten Falangists
            >Falangists strike back
            >NoOoOoOoO NOt JuAnitA NoT ThE wHolEsOmE SoCiaLiStErInOs freaking rEaShUnArIes

            • #125406
              Anonymous
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              The ‘funny’ thing is that the Falange had made a ridiculous score during the 1936 elections, barely 0.5% of the votes. It was leftist violence (coming from both anarchists and socialists) which turned it into a mass movement.

      • #125273
        Anonymous
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        Sauce on the book?

      • #125279
        Anonymous
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        Sounds like far right propaganda tbh.
        Especially regarding Spain where there was a lot of reactionary powers of not fascist origin.

        • #125280
          Anonymous
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          >book written by respected historian specializing in the spanish civil war
          >nooooo it can’t be truuuu this is fascist propaganda
          Why are they like this?

          • #125282
            Anonymous
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            Respected historian should know that struggle between republicans/leftists and reactionary forces of various kinds in Spain has a long history, and painting leftists as those who drew the first blood is, most likely, getting the facts wrong.

            • #125284
              Anonymous
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              Cope

            • #125286
              Anonymous
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              >respected historians only agree with me

              lmao

              • #125288
                Anonymous
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                Cope

                Facts don’t care about your feelings.

                Also, was this guy peer reviewed?

                • #125289
                  Anonymous
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                  you’ve presented literally nothing but your feelings so far

            • #125295
              Anonymous
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              Well spoken comrade, remind me to close the office which let this shovelcrap get published.

            • #125305
              Anonymous
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              Seethe

            • #125306
              Anonymous
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              That’s very nice, now when will we trade half of our gold for a bunch of rotting Mosin Nagants cumrade?

            • #125396
              Anonymous
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              >history is when people in academia say the same things that I already believed

        • #125300
          Anonymous
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          >Sounds like far right propaganda tbh.
          >blatant plebbitor trying to fit in

          How do you do fellow LULZner!

      • #125325
        Anonymous
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        >The "anti-fascist" hysteria in Spain, which caused the left to tear the country apart occurred when there was basically no fascism.
        A premonition if there ever was one

    • #125268
      Anonymous
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      idk

    • #125277
      Anonymous
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      Didnt read. Stop playing semantics every thread. Make an argument.

      • #125278
        Anonymous
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        >didn’t read
        >makes an absolutely horrendous post
        Classic American post.

        • #125283
          Anonymous
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          >NOOO!! LET ME MAKE SEMANTICS OF FACISM THREAD NUMBER 394848!!

          • #125287
            Anonymous
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            >LET ME
            lmao you can’t stop anyone from doing anything

    • #125281
      Anonymous
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    • #125285
      Anonymous
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      It’s really just a term the left uses to designate targets for whom it is justifiable to use violence against in non-revolutionary settings.

    • #125292
      Anonymous
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      Yes.

    • #125297
      Anonymous
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      >You are a fascist
      >N-no you are a fascist
      Wow. Crazy to think leftoids have been doing this for almost 100 years.

    • #125298
      Anonymous
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      >none of those use fasces either symbolically to characterize their social ideology or symbolically as a literal emblem
      Calling Americans "fascists" is okay but it’s because they have fasces on literally every emblem they own

    • #125301
      Anonymous
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      Because fascists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

      • #125303
        Anonymous
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        >Because fascists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost.

      • #125307
        Anonymous
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        >Because fascists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions
        I can’t think of a single truly fascist movement (Hitler, Mussolini, Mosley, etc.) that ever tried to lie. In fact they get right up on stage and say exactly who they are and what they want.

        • #125309
          Anonymous
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          It’s just usual leftist lies about how the people really, deep down, want their weird, unpopular shit rather than populism.

      • #125310
        Anonymous
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        sartre was a complete hack, most overrated "thinker" of the 20th century and that’s saying something

        • #125318
          Anonymous
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          i’ll bite
          tell us why anon

      • #125311
        Anonymous
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        This is so stupid and unironically a bad faith argument

        >Anti-semites don’t really believe in anything they say or even authentically hate garden gnomes, in fact they know they’re wrong. They just do it to be evil because they’re evil bad guys who hate for fun.

        • #125321
          Anonymous
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          It’s a good propaganda piece. and that’s what matters. Makes for shitty philosophy though.

          Because fascists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

          So true gomrade.

          i’ll bite
          tell us why anon

          Not the anon, but the quote is pretty self-explanatory, but to be fair I haven’t read him, or will because he is clearly a propagandist, not a thinker.

          • #125324
            Anonymous
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            who is a real thinker to you anon

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              Anonymous
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            • #125328
              Anonymous
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              Plus it really doesn’t matter we’re talking about Sartre here.

            • #125334
              Anonymous
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              >who is a real thinker to you anon
              A man whom Sartre hated not as a German, but as an aristocrat.

              • #125336
                Anonymous
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                Yeah and Céline hated him as a cuckold
                Storm of steel is brainlet shlock on par with war movies and On The Marble Cliffs is some of the gayest and most pretentious shit i have ever read
                Didn’t make me want to read more

                • #125337
                  Anonymous
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                  >Storm of steel is brainlet shlock on par with war movies and On The Marble Cliffs is some of the gayest and most pretentious shit i have ever read
                  No shit, it was his debut piece when he was still fresh out of the trenches in his 20’s and new to the literary scene. What if I told you he wrote books other than Storm of Steel?

                  • #125341
                    Anonymous
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                    >The key theme in the novel is the figure of the Anarch, the inwardly-free individual who lives quietly and dispassionately within but not of society and the world.

                    >The Anarch is the positive counterpart of the anarchist.
                    >I am an anarch – not because I despise authority, but because I need it. Likewise, I am not a nonbeliever, but a man who demands something worth believing in.
                    >Although I am an anarch, I am not anti-authoritarian. Quite the opposite: I need authority, although I do not believe in it. My critical faculties are sharpened by the absence of the credibility that I ask for. As a historian, I know what can be offered.
                    >The Anarch is to the anarchist, what the monarch is to the monarchist.
                    *tips fedora*
                    Exactly the same kind of pretentiousness I didn’t like in OTMC. "Yes I’m a bootlicker but i can’t find any worthwhile boots to lick because classical society has fallen, now admire how superior i am as i describe calmly picking flowers for 3 pages"
                    Jesus christ

                    • #125342
                      Anonymous
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                      >*tips fedora*
                      >Exactly the same kind of pretentiousness I didn’t like in OTMC. "Yes I’m a bootlicker but i can’t find any worthwhile boots to lick because classical society has fallen, now admire how superior i am as i describe calmly picking flowers for 3 pages"
                      >Jesus christ
                      Spoken like a slave with a case of sour grapes over a man who was truly free.

                      • #125346
                        Anonymous
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                        More like an aloof selfish prick
                        Why are you even talking to me, shouldn’t you be alone in the forest brooding and meditating on metaphysical questions?

                      • #125375
                        Anonymous
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                        that sounds woke af

                    • #125398
                      Anonymous
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                      just stop embarrassing yourself and admit that you haven’t read anything from him lmaoooo

          • #125326
            Anonymous
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            Hell, I can even be a scrotebrain and dissect that quote.

      • #125371
        Anonymous
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        Hitler literally wrote a book explaining how he wanted Lebensraum and to remove garden gnomes from Europe
        Seems pretty honest to me

      • #125389
        Anonymous
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        Because communists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

        Because capitalists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

        Because socialists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

        Because democrats by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

        Because liberals by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

        Because globalists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society

        Antifascists are imbeciles who can’t describe what the hate.

        • #125390
          Anonymous
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          seethe

          • #125391
            Anonymous
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            cope, trying to make someone angry after losing an argument does nothing, stop being a dumb scrote.

          • #125392
            Anonymous
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            Hammer the 8 button

      • #125397
        Anonymous
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        Why do 20th century communists and liberals always sound like a secularized version of some arch-catholic priest giving advice on exorcising demons whenever political badthink comes up?

      • #125400
        Anonymous
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        > garden gnome mad his pilpul is being used by fascists against him.

      • #125407
        Anonymous
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        >Because leftists by their nature are deceitful beings who eschew good faith dialog and hide their true intentions, which is to lust for power at any cost. Anyone exhibiting these tendencies is ultimately a danger to society
        Fixed that for you, woke af on any and all studies into the correlations of psychology and politics.

    • #125304
      Anonymous
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      https://i.imgur.com/sSpZYM4.gif

      >A bald 5’7 Italian mindbroke them this bad
      And still it lives rent free in their heads as they get keked by geriatric nu-liberals like Biden.

    • #125308
      Anonymous
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      Fascism is a term for "any government action that I feel might benefit white people".

      • #125312
        Anonymous
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        Weird how those medieval French counts and English barons and so on were fascist because they might have built a nice bridge for their 99.9% white subjects once

        • #125313
          Anonymous
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          Neo-fascist even

    • #125314
      Anonymous
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      >what is fascism?
      A very strict definition would just mean the political system of Italy between 1922-1943. More broadly, fascism could be called an evolution of national syndicalism.

    • #125315
      Anonymous
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      Fascism is a merger of state and corporate power. When Mussolini says this, people think he’s referring to large companies, but what he’s really talking about here are syndicates.

      • #125320
        Anonymous
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        Corporatism means structuring the economy according to the interests of the corporates, meaning guilds and/or the various public and private sectors. Nitwits see "corporation" and think about hypercapitalism and businesses for profit, which is false.

        • #125322
          Anonymous
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          https://i.4cdn.org/his/1633005459868.webm

          Italian Fascists supported private property, but denounced international finance and what they called "supercapitalism".

          • #125323
            Anonymous
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            True, what is today synonymous with "capitalism" such as liberalism, globalism and the selling out of national goods for international profit need not be synonymous with capitalism at all.

        • #125329
          Anonymous
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          you say that as if we don’t functionally have that today. The political upper class and the business upper class are one in the same, mega cooperations are not allowed to fail and are all heavily involved in a back and forth with the state.
          The lobby, bribe, and kill to ensure an every increasing number of laws that them while drowning even mid size companies under unbearable layers of regulation and legal proceedings.
          They are at the top and are a entrenched part of the system, they protect this position through influence on the legal system which decade after decade had shifted to place the protection of cooperations their profits, and their CEOs above all other issues.

          They are new aged guilds in all but name hashing out agreements between one another and the political oligarchy to ensure the system runs smoothly whike the remaining 98% of the population gets poorer and poorer. The only difference is one of scale, yesterday it was a city and it’s ruling council, today it is the world with organizations like the IMF world economic forum, etc

          • #125330
            Anonymous
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            >completely misses the point and does thing anon complains about

      • #125378
        Anonymous
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        It had nothing to do with corporations dude

    • #125316
      Anonymous
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      I personally define fascism as when there is a one party state.

    • #125317
      Anonymous
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      >What is Globalism/Liberalism
      >Anything I don’t like

    • #125319
      Anonymous
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      If you knew what a Fascist is, you’d be one.

    • #125343
      Anonymous
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      You know I never considered Nazism as a subset of fascism. It may have borrowed a few ideas from it, but it’s a seperate ideology imo. Many of the central tenets of Nazism, such as eugenics, anti-semitism, nordicism and lebensraum were a thing before Mussolini was even alive.

      • #125347
        Anonymous
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        Their political systems are very similar to each other. The main difference is in their driving motivation. Mussolini sought to elevate the state above everything else, whereas the nazis sought to elevate race. Obviously it’s a bit more complex than that, but that’s the just of it.

    • #125355
      Anonymous
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      Fascism is criminals running the state.
      Nazi = Criminals
      Mussolini = Criminal

      • #125356
        Anonymous
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        >This is your brain on liberalism

    • #125372
      Anonymous
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      Why is gigachad in the background?

    • #125376
      Anonymous
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      Fascism is just Socialism 2.0. The name comes from the Italian for trade unions (fascio) and each of the founding fathers of Fascism were socialists who felt the need to rejig their ideology after seeing what a shitshow the USSR was. It’s why they hated Bolsheviks so much.

      • #125382
        Anonymous
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        pretty much, id describe it as a more materially viable conclusion of socialist thought that isn’t an unachievable carrot on a stick like communism is

        basically socialism for people who arent freaking scrotebrained

        • #125383
          Anonymous
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          If you ever need a perfect example of that use the progress of China.

    • #125381
      Anonymous
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      fascism is simply an autocratic government with a private economy represented by various industry-specific corporate guilds that allow streamlined communication between industry, workers, and the state so that the government can both be kept apprised of the needs of their nations industry and workers and in return regulations can be passed down to ensure everyone’s needs are met and the industries of a nation flourishes. industry gets what it needs, workers get workplace regulations and social programs to ensure their quality of life, the state gets to maintain its power on the support of the people and the industrialists. class harmony instead of class conflict

      no corporatism is not the same thing as corporatocracy, no fascism is not corporatocracy

      • #125384
        Anonymous
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        >no corporatism is not the same thing as corporatocracy, no fascism is not corporatocracy
        I wish more people understood this. The amount of times I’ve seen dumbasses say shit like, "corporations control the U.S. government, so we’re becoming a fascist state," is concerning.

        • #125385
          Anonymous
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          yea… as a certain famous Poet once said: "I should say that from being a country where practically everything and anything was for sale, Mussolini has in ten years transformed it into a country where it would even be dangerous to try to buy out the government."

          I wonder what things would be like if the masses were actually taught about fascism and national socialism

    • #125387
      Anonymous
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      Commies love mocking people who think socialism is when the government does things, yet they do this shit all of the time. They also changed the definition of imperialism to capitalists doing things

    • #125388
      Anonymous
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      Corporatism is not a real thing

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