TIL Steve Jobs was also a good programmer

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    • #123014
      Anonymous
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      >built a frequency counter when he was 12
      >said in some documentary that everybody should know how to code because it teaches you how to think
      >explained OOP in Rolling Stone interview with him
      >Eric Schmidt recalled Jobs arguing with him and other programmer over technical issue involving Objective C and that they actually lost argument with him

      Why are people saying he was just some marketing guy with no technical knowledge? Apparently he was a competent programmer, he just focused on things he was even better at.

    • #123015
      Anonymous
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      apple envy

    • #123016
      Anonymous
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      guy couldn’t wire a plug and he marketed his own death.

      OP is a scrote

      • #123021
        Anonymous
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        Because angry, jealous guys with no communication skills like see how much more successfull are people with some technical knowledge and people skills like Jobs, Musk etc. So they cope with "b-but at least I’m smarter than him". You’re not.

        • #123027
          Anonymous
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          he’s dead, im not.

          guess who’s actually winning? do you need a hint?

      • #123050
        Anonymous
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        Does seem like your lack of people skills makes you jealous. And you in turn hate what you cannot be.

        • #123061
          Anonymous
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          not that scrote but its more like others who need to be marketed to are shit for brains for not just figuring shit out themselves and people shouldnt be celebrated for being manipulative cunts

    • #123017
      Anonymous
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      >code teaches you how to think
      yikes

      • #123019
        Anonymous
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        i agree with it but i think there are levels to it.
        code teaches you you need to be careful about the operations and their sequence, the precision with which you define what to do, and thinking about what to not allow or what to do in the case of something going wrong.
        the more you specialize and the more constraints you have, the more extreme it gets

    • #123018
      Anonymous
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      he knew enough so that people wouldnt be able to bs him. he had technical knowledge, but he wasn’t an engineer

      • #123022
        Anonymous
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        >he knew enough so that people wouldnt be able to bs him
        That’s an essential ability in life tbh, know enough in many domains to lead actual specialists and not let them lead you

      • #123023
        Anonymous
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        how do you know?

    • #123020
      Anonymous
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      >Thought he could cure his cancer with a fruit diet

      Yes he was just a marketing guy.

      • #123029
        Anonymous
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        He started out being a competent programmer and not totally a marketing guy, then slowly became corrupted with muh aesthetics and hippie bullshit, most likely due to a combination of success and exposure to the air in California.

        • #123032
          Anonymous
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          >most likely due to a combination of success and exposure to the air in California.

          lmao

      • #123030
        Anonymous
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        Doctors can do more harm than good at times. The doctor probably wanted to put him on some crazy chemo or some shit that had like 1% of working and making him feel miserable and unable to work during the treatment.

        • #123040
          Anonymous
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          >The doctor probably wanted to put him on some crazy chemo or some shit that had like 1% of working and making him feel miserable and unable to work during the treatment.

          You’ve got it backwards dude, Jobs had the rarest kind of pancreatic cancer which is actually basically fully curable and has 5 year survival rates of like 98% with treatment. This kind of cancer makes up 1% of all pancreatic cancers and is exceedingly rare. Also, obviously, if you wait too long, you can’t get cured anymore. Also, if it’s discovered too late, it can’t be treatable. So he had basically like what only 0.2% to 0.4% of all people who get told ‘you have pancreatic cancer’ have, an option for a total cure.

          scrotebrain went full Andy Kaufman taking vitamins and eating vegan crap and died. By the time he changed his mind about evil western medicine it was too late.

          Steve jobs was a freaking scrotebrain, and nobody can convince me otherwise.

          • #123052
            Anonymous
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            Steve Jobs also had family and friends who tried to convince to him to pursue legit treatment for his cancer but he didn’t listen. His ego was so inflated that he believed in his own delusions.

          • #123067
            Anonymous
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            Most likely he caused his cancer himself with his scrotebrained diet.

    • #123024
      Anonymous
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      >was too stupid to get chemotherapy and died with scrote cancer

    • #123025
      Anonymous
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      I was reflecting on this today. I’m a contract employee, working for CEO to mash some little companies together.
      I’m building out a bunch of analytics on Power BI. It’ll save the company I’m at significant amount of effort and should improve sales. I enjoy this work and am good at it.
      I also do project management, where I basically keep team going and push back on the VPs when they try to expand scope. I don’t enjoy this work as much but I’m good at it.
      Guess which work I can charge more for? I’ve never been able to sell an analytics gig, I do that on side. I could probably sell it at 1/3 what I charge to run pmo.
      I do what ppl value most. Assume Steve did same.

    • #123026
      Anonymous
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      https://i.imgur.com/QMEfuQi.gif

      > just some marketing guy with no technical knowledge
      he was just a marketing guy, and his technical knowledge was limited to what he was told by engineers and programmers about their own products.
      >>Eric Schmidt recalled Jobs arguing with him and other programmer over technical issue involving Objective C and that they actually lost argument with him
      wow. that must be jobs was an expert or some shit? fascinating and delusional.
      >Apparently he was a competent programmer
      no proof of this exists.

      • #123055
        Anonymous
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        >wow. that must be jobs was an expert or some shit?
        since you lack imagination, here’s some fun little exercise for you. Go to your local uni, talk with some PhD from some STEM field you have no (or rudimentary) knowledge about. Talk with him for an hour over the subject he’s specialising in and have this conversation end with him saying "Ok, I guess I was wrong about that, you’re right". That’s basically what Jobs did. To pull this off, you have to actually have a lot of knowledge about stuff you’re arguing about. That, or have some religious leader tier charisma to make people think any bullshit you want, which is in a sense even more impressive.

        • #123057
          Anonymous
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          Steve Jobs must have known a lot about cancer.

    • #123028
      Anonymous
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      its just poorscrotes seething and coping

    • #123031
      Anonymous
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      Why is there a picture of Mohammed al Jandali, a Syrian Arab man.

    • #123033
      Anonymous
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      literally none of what you said is impressive. The average college scrotebrain can explain what OOP is. It’s true that he isn’t just a mere ideas guy, but his most impressive skills are UX and business. That’s not a bad thing, just the truth. In terms of actual product, Wozniak was solely responsible for Apple’s first wave of success.

      Bill Gates is an actual computer science genius in addition to being a gangster tier skilled businessman. When you compared Jobs to Bill it’s like comparing a humanitiesscrote to a software engineer

      • #123036
        Anonymous
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        >Bill Gates is an actual computer science genius
        And a psychopath that wants to scorch the sky.

        • #123038
          Anonymous
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          shhh LULZ is pro-microchip injection oops i mean "vaxx"

        • #123043
          Anonymous
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          maybe. Still incredibly sharp though, much more so than Musk despite what LULZtards think

          • #123045
            Anonymous
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            oh cmon, lets be fair
            jobs gave us the iphone, shit, lets say he gave us smartphones in general
            musk gave us real electric cars (as opposed to limited production PR exercises) and rockets that land themselves, dropping the cost/kg to orbit by a factor of 10.
            im sorry, but i think musks accomplishments are much more important

            • #123046
              Anonymous
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              None of what you described has anything to do with actual intelligence. Business smarts? sure, but it’s not the same. We’re not talking about accomplishments here.
              >musk gave us real electric cars (as opposed to limited production PR exercises) and rockets that land themselves, dropping the cost/kg to orbit by a factor of 10.
              musk didn’t give us that. He built a business that gave us that. "Smart" phones, touch screens, all of that already existed in 2006, Jobs just happened to make the best one, thanks in part to Jonathan Ive’s design. Smartphones were going to happen anyway sooner or later. I’m sure Musk is a smart guy considering his work dating back to Paypal, but Bill Gates literally invented an efficient algorithm that wasn’t improved upon til just a few years ago https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1016/0012-365X(79)90068-2
              he actually published research. Musk and Jobs never did anything of the sort. Also, yeah everyone stole from Xerox PARC’s R&D, but Gates was directly involved with Windows in its early days. In a way, he was Wozniak and Jobs combined.

              • #123047
                Anonymous
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                forgot to add: Bill was so smart that professors lamented his departure when he dropped out to found Microsoft. Who knows what he would’ve contributed to the world if he stayed as a computer scientist instead of turning into a business billionaire dipshit

                • #123066
                  Anonymous
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                  >Who knows what he would’ve contributed to the world if he stayed as a computer scientist
                  You really think Gates’ impact would be bigger as an academic than the richest man in the world for so many years? His foundation, curing malaria in Africa and now covid stuff, he’s literally been suspected to receive Nobel Peace Prize in the next few years. Don’t underestimate power of money. If you have it as much as Bill, you can change the world – mere scientists (even genius ones) can dream about such impact in my opinion.

              • #123048
                Anonymous
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                >Bill Gates literally invented an efficient algorithm that wasn’t improved upon til just a few years ago
                impressive, to be sure
                sorry mate, i misread, i thought you were comparing musk to jobs, not gates
                but i still contend that mush had a bigger positive impact, even than gates

                yes, he didn’t invent the electric car
                but he made it happen
                without him, who knows how long it would take to get real, usable EVs
                the tech iteself is pretty old, but i didn’t see any manufacturers making any until the model S
                actually, the real industry wide push didn’t start until the model 3, but whatever
                remember back before the model S? everyone thought EV was a joke, it would not come for decades, hybrid was best, lets try hydrogen, etc
                and before the model 3, everyone was saying that real EVs are too expensive, will never work for regular people, not for decades

                ditto for rockets.
                the merlin engine was nothing new or impressive to start with, just a basic kerolox
                plain jane tech from the 50s
                (nowadays its optimized as phuk, but i digress)
                but noone was trying to get rockets to land themselves.
                the entire aerospace industry was optimizing for how high they can make costs

                bill gates invented an algorithm, great
                really, im not being facetious, thats impressive shit
                but what he *made happen* was microsoft, windows, office
                imo his biggest contribution was the birth of the OS-independent PC
                he negotiated with IBM that his OS could run on ibm pc clones, which then took off and became the PC industry of today
                very big accomplishments, but i think EVs and self landing rockets are more important

          • #123058
            Anonymous
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            Musk is a DARPA front man who plays the role of a TV billionaire for the public. He’s given some spending money and told to look busy.

        • #123064
          Anonymous
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          lmao

      • #123056
        Anonymous
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        Where would you put Zucc then? Closer to Jobs or Gates in technical and business skills?

        • #123059
          Anonymous
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          I’d rank Zuck lower than LULZ tards who get filtered by the mid-month advent of code challenges.

          • #123069
            Anonymous
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            So how do you explain his tremendous success?

      • #123063
        Anonymous
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        >Bill Gates is an actual computer science genius
        Because he stole CP/M?
        > a gangster tier skilled businessman
        Because his dad had an in with IBM?

    • #123034
      Anonymous
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      He understood important aspects of design but used his knowledge for garden gnomery

    • #123035
      Anonymous
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      OOP isnt hard, or complicated.

    • #123037
      Anonymous
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      He’s a textbook example of a programmerchad who isn’t socially incompetent, who, upon entering the tech industry, discovered that his soft skills were actually more valuable than his tech skills.

      There is an endless amount of people who can ONYL write code.
      Steve Jobs seemed to have a talent, that was only discovered after entering the industry, that allowed him to achieve greater productivity levels if he quit coding, and actually focused on the business end.

      It happens more often than you’d think.

      • #123039
        Anonymous
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        >There is an endless amount of people who can ONLY write code.
        There’s actually not. There’s an endless amount of people who can shit out code but there is a very very limited supply of good programmers.

        This is what makes someone like Steve Jobs so valuable he is a minority within a minority. 1 in a million.

        • #123041
          Anonymous
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          True.

    • #123042
      Anonymous
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      >said in some documentary that everybody should know how to code because it teaches you how to think
      >puts faith in quack doctors
      >dies

      • #123044
        Anonymous
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        goes to show how even super intelligent people can be asbolute scrotebrains or flat out crazy in some areas (and craziness is generally linked to low IQ…).
        Godel is arguably among the smartest men of the last 2 centuries. His friend died of poisoning, and after his wife got hospitalized and could no longer cook for him, he didn’t trust anyone else’s food. Of course, the genius couldn’t possibly cook his own food, so he starved to death.

        • #123062
          Anonymous
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          Yeah, and what about Bobby Fisher? Perelman? Wittgenstein? It seems that super smart guys are more often crazy than not, at least the famous ones.

    • #123049
      Anonymous
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      I thought the criticism was about his hypocrisy, callousness, greed, and overall bad character. His whole company was marketed to people who claimed to oppose all those characteristics.

    • #123051
      Anonymous
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      he is literally me

    • #123053
      Anonymous
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      Nobody gonna tell the story about how he screwed wozniak into reducing the transistor count and threw him pennies because he was a sociopath? Not impressed by jobs, at least gates did math55. No doubt jobs wasnt your average bear, but fuck it theyre both scum to me.

      • #123054
        Anonymous
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        I don’t understand why so many people idolize him despite this huge character flaw. Either these fanboys are ignorant or they value Steve Jobs’ mystique over content of character. Or maybe they’re psychopaths just like him and see such dishonest acts as being normal.

    • #123060
      Anonymous
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      TOILET FEET

    • #123065
      Anonymous
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      because STEMcels are so socially inept that the idea of them stringing together a sentence without spilling their spaghetti is practically unheard of.

      • #123068
        Anonymous
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        you’re defending the guy who thought eating fruit would save him from cancer, i’d be careful throwing stones from glass houses if i were you

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