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The confederates fought for one thing…
Freedom
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buck-broken coons
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well, well, well my peaches… what do we have here
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I’m astounded by the vitriol of Americans to confederates. Why can’t they romanticism them? Unlike other most other civil wars they didn’t actual sell their country to a foreign power.
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The Confuddies were actively courting English and French involvement so eat shit, liar
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You have no idea how most civil wars go. Your own country men defect to foreign powers and betray your own country outright.
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Because it was a legitimate movement within the US and not something the media told people to believe. Independent thought is not something that’s wanted
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They were romanticised until relatively recently when they became a proxy for racial attacks
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They where allways a proxy for racial attacks
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>Unlike other most other civil wars they didn’t actual sell their country to a foreign power.
They were desperately cucking to European powers and none of them were willingly to openly support them because of slavery.-
They should have cucked to other slave holding states, like the Muslims
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An Ottoman-Confederate alliance would’ve been fascinating. Too bad the Ottomans couldn’t into colonialism.
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>im astounded by the vitriol
Yea, weird how we’re mad that a bunch of temper-tantrum throwing elitists and their cuckold serfs doomed the nation to having to kiss negroid ass for the rest of history so they could make some money and that they still pretend, to this very day, that they were in the right about it.-
>elitists and their cuckold serfs doomed the nation to having to kiss negroid ass
How is it the confederacy’s fault that garden gnomes destroyed your nation a century later?
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Solipsist planter class psychos getting thousands of good Americans killed (And potentially handing everything back over to the Br*ts) so they wouldn’t have to give up their heckin’ slaverinos.
States Rights was the only policy they had anything resembling a good idea with and it was entirely a means to an end for them rather than a focal point. -
garden gnomes made it impossible for us to
kinda like germany can’t romanticize the nazis, but they still have like 10 communist parties.-
There were plenty of gnomish Confederates
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and the North, where American finance is centered, sold out your country to international garden gnomes for good. Civil war had very little to do with that.
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>Judah Philip Benjamin, QC (August 6, 1811 – May 6, 1884) was a lawyer and politician who was a United States Senator from Louisiana, a Cabinet officer of the Confederate States and, after his escape to the United Kingdom at the end of the American Civil War, an English barrister. Benjamin was the first garden gnome to hold a Cabinet position in North America and the first to be elected to the United States Senate who had not renounced his faith
meanwhile Grant
I.. The garden gnomes, as a class, violating every regulation of trade
established by the Treasury Department, and also Department
orders, are hereby expelled from the Department.
II.. Within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order
by Post Commanders, they will see that all of this class of people
be furnished passes and required to leave, and any one re-
turning after such notification will be arrested and held in con-
finement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as prisoners, unless furnished with permit from Head Quarters.
III.. No permits will be given these people to visit Head
Quarters for the purpose of making personal application for
trade permits.
By Order of Maj. Genl. U.S. Grant
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They’re romanticized by half the population
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>Why can’t they romanticism them?
They’re scrotes.
>Unlike other most other civil wars they didn’t actual sell their country to a foreign power.
They wanted to sell the country to a small, economically and socially isolated population restricted to a single part of the country. It would be like California rebelling so fruit farms could continue to bring in cheap migrant labour, because the most oppressed people in the nation are the CEOs of companies controlling California vineyards.
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As an American I have to say that our history is as bring as it gets.
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As an Australian I say you’re either soulless or scrotebrained, probably both. America’s westward expansion up to the civil war is easily the most kino period in human history.
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The people are great, the government during that time was shite
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The North fought to prevent the mentally incapable south from becoming a South American shithole and they’re still seething about it to this day
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The British Empire should have joined and raped you for the trent affair and for 1812
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woke af
>imagine Lee tipping his hat to a British general while burning DC
>imagine the superior seed of pure brits and the scots/anglo southerners raped into yankee whores
>new york destroyed, bombarded into dust by the royal navy
>France gets carte blanche to intervene in Mexico, maintaining the Habsburg empire there-
>maintaining the Habsburg empire
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Would have been extra woke af because it would bring Russia in
They’d probably fuck the shit out of India-
While watching the Great Game turn into the Grand Conflagration would be pretty amazing (good alt history idea lol) there was no way. The Brits were happy to see the Southern slave economy collapse for the most part because it made India more profitable. Makes you wonder though if Russia could have seized assets of theirs if they got involved.
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imagine being the south
>hates black people
>imports thousands of black people from africa
>breeds million of black people inside their country
>still hates black peopleyou guys were as stupid as it gets
also how can any self-respecting person advocate for slavery? even if you’re a racist, slavery steals jobs and devalues labor from hard-working white folk.
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>you guys were as stupid as it gets
You’re very clearly the stupid one, you could just as easily get rid of scrotes as you could importing them. There is absolutely no doubt they wouldn’t have ended up genocided in the 20th century if the confederacy had survived.
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What the planters did to the white population in their states is literally worse than what has happened to America these last few decades so far. Just goes to show that the so-called conservative liberals are just as incoherently schizophrenic as their supposed enemies.
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>What the planters did to the white population is literally worse
What did they do?
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>the pure racism
That pure racism that led the South to have the highest population of mulattos in the world? The pure racism that led Mary Sue to get bonked ten ways till Tuesday by the burly field siss? The pure racism that made Strom Thurmond pillage that jungle booty? That racism?Lmao get freaking real, scrote
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>That pure racism that led the South to have the highest population of mulattos in the world?
n-no y-you don’t understand, if we say that all mulattoes are black then we can pretend that no one is mixed -
>South to have the highest population of mulattos in the world?
When you let your poor white farm hands rape slave women and give you FREE extra slaves? Goddamn yankees lack sense.>The pure racism that led Mary Sue to get bonked ten ways till Tuesday by the burly field siss?
This is just you projecting your degenerate cuck fantasy, you yankee scrotebrain. In reality, them strong slave boys were getting buttbonked by rednecks and asking for more.>Strom Thurmond
>wasnt even born in the confederacy-
>Redneck proudly proclaims he would fuck a scrote in his poopy butthole because hes a scrote
God damn, you guys just gotta get it out of your system before it consumes you. Oh wait, it already has. Keep covering your ears on Mary Sue getting railed by BBC in the breakin barn, too. If some clueless toothless scrotebrain doesnt wanna see it then it clearly never happened, right?-
>even more seething projection
There is nothing redneck about me yankee, I’m an educated gentlemen. If the plebes want to have their fun with my property, I feel like they’re entitled to it after a hard days work. I myself would never descend into pederasty, although clearly that line is a lot more blurred for you northerners.>Mary Sue getting railed by BBC in the breakin barn
Keep projecting that fetish of yours too yankee boy, we both know that scenario is what garden gnomes create for you to jerk off to. If that ever happened that bitch would be lynched faster than you can say ‘scrote’.-
>puts on a tripcode so everyone knows he’s a scrote
>still seethes and denies reality with every word and deed
>still replies after being BTFO
Never gonna make it, kid. Come back when your cringe country wins a war
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>us declares independence on uk
oh yeah muh freedom, muh destiny, muh chosen people, muh democracy, muh precious founding fathers
>south declares independence on north
WAIT NONONO YOU CAN’T JUST DO STUFF LIKE THAT STOP RIGHT NOW FFS REEEE-
The colonies rebelling was also unjustified. It was just a bunch of middle class merchants seething over taxes that were technically lower and then lying to the poors to get them mad
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Very reductionist, what flavor of snakeoil do you have to sell today?
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>Revolution
No taxation without representation
>foreign powers: seems like a legit reason to be upset, let’s support them
>the great redneck chimp out
>state’s rights!
>foreign powers: to do what?
>inarticulate pig squealsRevolution without a moral mandate is a power grab, plain and simple
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>foreign powers: seems like a legit reason to be upset, let’s support them
ahahahaha, surely it totally wasn’t because they were pissed off due to the outcome of seven years’ war and weren’t looking for any stuff to weaken britain-
That by itself wouldn’t be enough to support a gang of thieves, the point is that they saw the Revolution as legitimate, and not just a bunch of power grabbing criminals on borrowed time
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>That by itself wouldn’t be enough to support a gang of thieves
lol no, britain is famous for their divide and conquer tactics
stop being delusional
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>Revolution without a moral mandate is a power grab
That would make 1776 a simple power grab by the northern coastal elite.-
No taxation without representation was a good enough idea for every colony to get behind, and for declarations of independence to be distributed far and wide so everyone knew what they were fighting about
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>No taxation without representation was a good enough idea for every colony to get behind
No it isn’t, especially not with that level of treachery where you enlist foreign powers and openly revolt. The British government would have come to terms. In reality, the Northern coastal elite wanted the riches of Ohio to themselves, and didn’t want to pay despite the fact British had to fight a massive war to defend their asses that they started on their own in North America.>puts on a tripcode so everyone knows he’s a scrote
>still seethes and denies reality with every word and deed
>still replies after being BTFO
Never gonna make it, kid. Come back when your cringe country wins a warLmao cope and seethe northoid, you’re still butthurt that you were constantly destroyed in this thread.
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>it wasn’t a good reason because… it just wasn’t, okay!
Get bonked scrote. Why would Georgia, South Carolina, and Virginia for for Yankee economic interests? Why was New York the only state that voted “present” when every other colony voted yes to independence? You’re just conjecturing because America lives in your head rent free-
>when every other colony voted yes to independence
South Carolina and Pennsylvania voted no and Delaware was undecided
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A big part of the rise of this false narrative comes from the conservative effort to portray the American Revolution as being about eliminating taxes when it really wasn’t, at least not in the way implied by the narrative. The crux of the matter was that Americans had long paid taxes for the upkeep of their governments and the running of their states, Britain had basically let the 13 colonies run themselves as their own independent nations for a century or more, and consequently had not done much for them outside of defending them in wartime. So you have to look at the taxes and acts the British imposed from how an American at the time saw them. Here you are paying your taxes as lawfully enacted by your representative government (as is your right as an Englishman), all of a sudden some guy from the other side of the planet is saying you owe him money through several taxes the legitimate authorities for taxation (you’re State government) have not agreed to or even been consulted on. Add to the fact that these taxes fell most heavily on the lower classes, it does not seem a stretch for an American to see this as an overthrow of lawful government by a bunch of greedy British Aristocrats. You also have to remember the main purpose of a colony is to take wealth away from it for the colonizer to consume. This means things like how the Boston Tea Party was contrary to the conservative narrative, a protest against a Tax [i]Break[/i] for a big corporation that allowed it to undercut local merchants and move wealth from the colonies into the pockets of rich aristocrats back in England.
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>Add to the fact that these taxes fell most heavily on the lower classes
Which was exclusively the work of the state governments which passed the burden of the taxes onto the lower classes to create unrest.In reality the elite was pissed they had to pay for the war they started themselves in North America against the French. Then they were even more pissed that the British forbid further expansion into Ohio, due to them honouring the treaties they had signed with the Native Americans there. Not that a yankee would ever understand anything about honour.
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You obviously didn’t read the whole thing because the entire issue was that the State Governments had nothing to do with those taxes. They were passed and enforced by the overseas British gov. instead of the State Govs. That was the whole grievance. It was a complete violation of an Englishmans rights to be taxed only by his duly elected representatives.
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Freedom to do what?
To impose tariffs.
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Yeah, the freedom to own slaves
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You will never have a real Ethnostate.
The US wasted imperialism on shit like the Philippines and not places like Cuba, the Dominican Republic, or Sonora which would have been viable.-
>You will never have a real Ethnostate.
that’s an inevitability when the US collapses under the burden of its defence spending and it’s morass of miscegenated millenials and zoomers who are incapable of maintaining it for the increasingly senile boomers-
If this insane coping fantasy keeps the gun out of your mouth for another day then who am I to judge.
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are you literally shaking right now?
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The only coping that is occurring is you and your complacency to what is obviously coming. That’s why you can’t point out the flaw in my argument or logic, you just cope and seethe.
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My state is like 95% white, I live in an ethnostate
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"white" is not an ethnicity you deracinated amerimutt
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Somebody should tell the US census then
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Polcel thread.
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Yes, are you mad because you’re not white? That seems to be the case usually
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>The pure racism of the south would prevent miscegenation
Southerners were cranking out halfbreeds well before the Civil War even kicked off-
I already addressed that
>The pure racism that led Mary Sue to get bonked ten ways till Tuesday by the burly field siss?
This is just you projecting your degenerate cuck fantasy, you yankee scrotebrain. In reality, them strong slave boys were getting buttbonked by rednecks and asking for more.>Strom Thurmond
>wasnt even born in the confederacy
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…to owns slaves.
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There were also clear cultural and economic differences. That in itself granted us the right to national self determination.
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https://i.4cdn.org/his/1633134952583.jpg
>entire economy is built on slaver labor because southerners were too fat /stupid to do it themselves, or thought it beneath them
>no see, we need it for our economy, because uh…WELL YOU CANT JUST EXPECT A WHITE MAN TO WORK IN THE FIELDS
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So what did the average nobody think of the war? Did they think it was largely about slavery or where they lied to? Did the generals think it was about slavery or was it really just the politicians and slave holders who knew what was going on?
This answer is important because people villainize the southerners and that might be unfair somewhat.
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All of them knew it was about slavery and constantly talked about it. Many Northerners may have initially wanted to just preserve the Union, but they knew they were having to preserve it in the first place because of slavery.
Remember that the 1860’s were the height of the "Everyone keeps a journal and records literally everything they think every day" movement. So we have literally mountains of letters, diaries, and journals where everyone north and south is saying "This is all about slavery.-
Slavery is irrelevant, the north had no right to launch their war of aggression upon the states of the South. They choose the path of national self determination, and the US choose the path of tyranny and imperialism. The average white southerner did not want to be part of the union.
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Sherman did nothing wrong aside from not purging the inbred plantation owners more thoroughly.
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Do you actually have anything to say or do you just worship white death?
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The white death. That’s a good title for Saint Burnin’ Sherman. I don’t worship what he did though. It is more that I respect skilled pest control on that large of a scale.
There’s something beautiful about the image of tens of thousands of Northern men and freed slaves fanning out across the South, living off the land, burning plantations, foraging for food, and hanging enemies of not just America, but of humanity. It’s unfortunate that his position as the scythe of freedom wasn’t made permanent.
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Just an honourless cuck, the animals he freed would destroy his statue just as fast as any actually honourable confederate.
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It must have been awe inspiring to see him work though. Gaudy manors built on the bones and tears of the enslaved licked and gnawed at by tongues of yellow and orange as plumes of inky black streaked the sky, tainting the sunset a red as deep as the stolen blood that steeped the tainted ground below. A cathartic purge of unwashed, ill bred creatures the color of curdled milk conducted by decent men from the great cities of America who hauled away tons of silver and pork, allowing the liberated to slake their needs at the trough of their former tormentor’s misery. Justice and beauty in equal measures. He never should have stopped.
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They weren’t just burning the plantations, they burned regular people’s homes too. There were some generals that were so far up their own asses that when they were attacked by somebody that got away they’d burn the nearest town and sometimes hang the locals
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Sherman and you cucked yankee imperialists signed our nations death warrant by surrendering what the US was created for in the first place to federal tyranny. Now it’s just a decadent and hedonistic empire on its last legs.
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>Border ruffians
>Attack at fort sumter
>Seizure of federal weapons.Every time someone says "Northern aggression" they admit to being either liars or idiots. Which one are you?
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The US lost the right to hold property in the sovereign state of the CSA once it declared independence. Taking weapons stored in the CSA is not worth an act of war, Fort Sumter was an illegal occupation of Confederate territory.
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How do you illegally occupy your own base in your own country.
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>hello me and my friends have signed the declaration of independence of EpicMeemland
>in our declaration you can clearly see area 51 is now under our jurisdiction so please fugg off :DDDDIdiot.
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Fort Sumpter is in South Carolina, South Caroline signed the Ordiance of Succession. Before firing a single shot, South Carolina demanded the US army abandon the fort giving clear warning of intent.
Who did Fort Sumpter belong to?
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The United States because it was a federal fort. The same way a US embassy in the UK or Germany or Durkadurkastan is still US property.
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right and if germany wanted the embassy to leave their land theyd have to leave or its be considered an act of aggression.
Ignoring the fact that nobody died because the Confederate gave the yanks another chance to walk away from the fort which they did.
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>The confederates fought for one thing…
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Yes.
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>post that the Confederates should have been hanged
>Thread deleted. Banned for spam>Spam the same these for the 900th time about how the Confederates were good boys.
>NothingHow are mods are so obvious
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woke af mods
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Your post is an oxymoron, anon.
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>Americans think freedom means freedom to enslave
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It’s funny how every primary source from before the Civil War was convinced that if a state wanted to leave the union that there would be no way of stopping it due to the decentralized nature of the US and the weak federal government. The war seemed to ensure that the federal government would never be weak ever again.
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If it was just freedom then why were there southern unionists and chunks of the south wanted to stay in the union?
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There were also plenty of northern states that wanted to secede but lincoln arrested/occupied them
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>The Confederates fought for one thing…
Slavery?
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sad engagement really real shame all those americans had to die i think many factors led to the conflict not just states rights and freedom
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Sure. We had slavery, southern arrogance, the North indulging the South for decades, feckless northerners who should have crushed the South after Kansas, a ridiculous electoral system that made the South stupidly overrepresented.
A lot of factors went into this.-
>the North indulging the South for decades
If the British didn’t have such a cuck prime minister at the time we would have raped you-
>Britain would have supported the only developed nation in the world which competed with it for major economic markets
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No one was ever going to help the South invade, Canada and the UK were already showing ridiculous favouritism.
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The birthplace of abolitionism would never have intervened in defence of slavery, no matter who was PM.
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why defend this shitlib progressive confederacy, not only did they want more blacks in the New World TM they also wanted to send every white man that didnt own slaves to defend it.
Its exactly like california pissing and moaning about migrant labor and asking its population to go to war to defend their jobs and people being replaced.
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when you hate [redacted] so much that you murder the president for trying to ship them back to africa
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independent confederate states would have been amazing
American dominance would have never happened with an impotent european puppet state on the continent preventing any and all attempts at a Monroe doctrine
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You must flood the new territories with blacks because… JUST DO IT OKAY?
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too take away the freedom of others. Don’t worry I finished that one for you.
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Are blacks free in the Caribbean?
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I just realised that Union was actaully reepublican…
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doesn’t really mean anything. Unless you link it to early 20th century imperialism
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The confederates fought for one thing and one thing only.
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Which southerners? The ones that were getting their houses burned down and never owned a slave?
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To be fair the non oligarchs didn’t have that much control over the Northern States and had absolutely no control over the confederacy.
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Yes. They also fought for slavery.
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The people whose homes were burned down by the north and executed for no reason other than being the nearest population center fought for the south?
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Well that is a fantasy scenario, and I can’t comment on fictional people.
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Tbh the unionists were never able to match the bloodlust which confederate light cavalry displayed even before the war. Which is one of the reasons why damned near every appointed governor of Kansas turned against the cause of slavery during their tenure and had to be replaced.
The last president who treated the Southern Oligarchs like they ought to have been before the civil war was Jackson.-
Sherman ordered random executions of civilians to try and deter guerrilla attacks from confederates
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No he didn’t. But the Border Ruffians did commit arbitrary murder to scare free soiler.
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Yes he did
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No he didn’t.
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Yes he did
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No he didn’t.
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He also bombarded heavily populated cities full of civilians killing thousands and regarded their corpses as "a beautiful sight" when marching through them.
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Nah
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And after he killed them he chased all the remaining 2000 survivors out of the city in the middle of winter
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Which was a drop in the bucket compared to what Nathan Bedford Forrest, William Quantrill, William Anderson and their ilk did in the west. Hell they were doing more or less the same thing in Kansas before the civil war had even started
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>the union army executing civilians was a drop in the bucket
I guess war crimes aren’t a big deal
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supply shock and regulatory capture
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