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So let me get this straight. Software companies can now track you through your TPM’s burned-in RSA key (that you can’t change btw) and also permanently ban your whole PC in case you break their TOS or something?
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CS:Go Wins again
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Just make a gaming vm that emulates a TPM and hides the fact that it’s a VM.
CS:Go is better than any other game for small team adversarial. All the other stuff is total crap.
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If they coded the checks properly, you can’t emulate a tpm.
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Not true at all. Their code can only see what the tpm spits out because their code is running in the kernel and not the tpm.
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What I meant is an emulator won’t be able to pass attestation because it won’t have a genuine key
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this
>runs natively on windows, osx, and linux
>non intrusive anti cheat
>mapping software freely available to the users
>access to non valve servers & gamemodes
valorant is such a shit attempt at a cs competitor-
valve is the white man’s company
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>non intrusive anti cheat
Also checks your browser history to make sure you’re a good goy
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Its also the easiest game to cheat in without the slightest possibility of being banned that I have played.
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i’ve literally never encountered a cheater because I have premier
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Something like that, yes. It’s sinister as fuck but muh gaymers and enterprise cucks won’t even bat an eye
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>It’s sinister for companies to enforce their terms of service that their users agreed to upon signing up for said platform in order to prevent abuse.
You have to be 18+ to input LULZ.org into your web browser-
it is when the terms of service are sinister and rely on people’s ignorance of what’s actually happening
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I swear, it boggles the mind why people would defend shady corporate tactics on their own volition.
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You can be reasonably sure they are from the land of free (free as in corporations are free to fuck over the consumer, no free as in freedom).
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No one is forcing you or anyone else to sign up for this platform or play video games you dumb scrotes. How is this infringing upon anything?
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Way to not see the bigger picture, scrote. Computers are gradually becoming more and more locked down, and you gaymer scrotes cheer it on because you enjoy letting chinks fuck your wife.
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I’m not a scrote nor do I game. I don’t care if publishers require proof of identity to access their platforms. Take your meds no one is forcing you to do anything.
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except that the TPM module is required to install windows 11 of course
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Install windows in a VM with an emulated tpm against a hard drive directly passed through to the VM then load it native after installed
What I meant is an emulator won’t be able to pass attestation because it won’t have a genuine key
Could you not pass the ekcert test with a real tpm but report a different ekpub with an emulated tpm that has been coded to do passthrough?
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Idk how you would test with one and report with the other. These things will be managed by the applications that check, like valorant in this case, and they’re only gonna ask for your key once.
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The emulated tpm could be coded to do so. You shouldn’t cheat in videogames but if websites start some using some crazy shit to use them you should absolutely circumvent them dmca be damned
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Oh I see I thought you meant pushing 2 keys for the same app.
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>Could you not pass the ekcert test with a real tpm but report a different ekpub with an emulated tpm that has been coded to do passthrough?
some things may be possible for sure. You could feed a real TPM logs that you have faked and make it sign them. Not sure how hard it would be to do that, usually the TPM is interfacing with the motherboard. In theory it should be possible.
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Indeed, so leave, child.
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today it’s gamers, tomorrow you’ll get your mobo banned for chanting "FUCK JOE BIDEN!" or something.
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Have you contemplated using software and operating systems that don’t require you to sign terms that someone else has written? Have you tried writing your own software so you don’t have to deal with this? No? Oh.
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>TPM’s burned-in RSA key (that you can’t change btw)
Source?-
How do you think tpms work?
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>write an emulator to emulate tpm rsa key or generate a new one
>change user agent to windows
what is stopping this-
Vanguard has whitelist of endorsement keys to accept, others will too
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the self-signed key will not be accepted by the anticheat, similar to SSL – you can create a certificate, but it will get warnings
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You can simply use the one from VMware workstation like I did. Simple as.
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they can easily check if you’re using a VM
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1.2 Specification doesn’t actually support endorsement. All it can do is store keys woke af on PCR values to tie something to a machine configuration.
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good point, i copied the first thing in my history
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You can change it if your hacking level is high enough
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if your IQ is above room temperature, it’s not very freaking hard.
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> IQ is above room temperature
I have 293 IQ although I can’t imagine why anyone below that would have any issue.-
In Kelvin? How do you even?
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My IQ is so high that I don’t need to answer that question.
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yes, more reasons to not play chink shit
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This. You deserve it for playing Chinashit
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>windows
literally everything you do is being tracked you dumb scrotes, this has been well established for years now-
nope
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/threada
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We needed this image years sooner.
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This is a brilliant image mind if I save it?
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They can if you allow them to.
Why should the government forbid you from giving your RSA key to a company if you want to do it?
Of course I personally wouldn’t, but if gaymers want to be little cucks they should be allowed to do so.-
lmao just shut up
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>nooooo it’s my god’s given RIGHT to cheat on video games and be allowed to say scrote
>it’s in the BIBLE-
this but unironically
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Good
It’s a competitive game for people who want the best anticheat, not pedo freetards who think Chinks are coming after them-
says the dumbass playing chinese-approved malware
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Cope
You are an automaton, I already know what you’re next reply will be-
>literal "Source: trust me bro"
Can’t tell if "the absolute state of twatter" or "woke af" -
As him to release the source.
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>"I wrote most of it"
>the rest is from tencent and Xi -
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dear god this can’t be a real person
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He’s a normal lad now
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>Kernal code injection
open source or bust
LoL kiddies will just eat it up cuz they don’t know anything about this. -
>source: dude trust me
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>i wrote most of it
could be 49% tencent code and he still wouldn’t be lying -
>unironic "dude trust me" reply
the absolute state of proprietary software
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>for people who want the best anticheat
that’s csgo with faceit client-
Do you honestly believe faceit has a better ac than esea? Both are worse than Vanguard
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>https://realrawnews.com/2021/10/bill-gates-hanged-at-gimo-ahead-of-schedule/
Is this some weird fan fiction?-
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My mom reads and unironically trusts that website. I can’t get through to her, bros. She won’t listen. She thinks Adam Schiff was killed by firing squad and Trump is the secret president. I don’t know what to do. Those Qscrotes got my mom. Send help-
This country is great, your choice of political party is either denying reality of schizophrenia.
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Trump is the President though. Take your meds.
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>Software companies can now track you through your TPM’s burned-in RSA key
Define "track." They already have your login information, I don’t know why you think that verifying environmental integrity on top of that is some kind of 1984-
this is a free to play game, he is upset he can’t spam scrote and then play on a new account
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im pretty sure the right to spam scrote and play on a new account is in the bill of rights
if not, it freaking should be
scrote-
the US constitution protects your right to call anybody a scrote
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Not from any consequences as a result,
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people aren’t forced to agree with your opinion, no
though this works both ways, nobody can force you legally to stop calling them a scrote-
But they can hwid ban you from their service
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"Fighting words" aren’t protected speech
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i’m familiar with that, but the word scrote is not by itself an incitement of violence, only if it’s used like that can it be unprotected, like if i were to seriously utter "lets kill these scrotes", that would surely not be protected as free speech. however if i were to say "sure, i know a few scrotes", this doesn’t incite anything, it may not be pleasant for some people to hear, but it’s not illegal to say
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>freedom of the press doesn’t mean freedom from consequences
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By this stupid american logic even China has free speech, you just go to jail after criticizing the president.
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No it doesn’t. Burgers love pretending the constitution says all kinds of magic things it doesn’t. All it says it the government can’t stop you saying it. But it doesn’t protect your right to do so either.
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> spams scrote
Damn. I wish that CS:GO had a commend for woke af
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>Software companies can now track you
>can now
I keep forgetting how stupid LULZ is. Thanks for the hourly reminder.-
the tracking is now cryptographically secure
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>the tracking is now cryptographically secure
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Meanwhile me using a VM with Secure Boot and an emulated TPM
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>Anticheat error 862: Hardware check failed
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CS:GO > Valorant
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>Software companies can now track you
yes
>through your TPM’s burned-in RSA key
nothey don’t get your specific tpm information, but tpm being active will prevent software from spoofing to other software trying to read information that could otherwise be spoofed
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go install a logic analyzer between your tpm and mobo
they do the full attestation sequence-
i could explain this but you seem like one of those little shits that "knows everything" and is resistant to both being told what is correct AND is not willing to do personal research
so go with your gut, schizo
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i literally installed one (well, more like hacked in an arduino but that’s besides the point) and vanguard does do a full attestation.
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cringe
>do your own research
>n-no not like that!!!!-
youve been bombing all day tbh your post history is cringe (with some leeway for false positives) you absolute insect shut the fuck up
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you could’ve just started off by announcing you’re a schizo
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Absolutely buttblasted
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>they don’t get your specific tpm information
they could, I don’t think we know how the anticheat works>tpm being active will prevent software from spoofing to other software trying to read information that could otherwise be spoofed
TPM should secure some Windows integrity
did cheaters hack Windows to get a different hardware ID?
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they could always identify and ban you with HWID
its not expensive to dodge that, so they recreated it in a way which – if the person wants a more temporary ID online, or evade bans on fortnite battle royale – a more expensive replacement needs to be made to dodge whatever
dumb doomer-
TPMs are $30 a pop tho
And mr chinklstein is already hard at work to implement and release sub dollar tpm modules now that there is demand for them-
well then doubly who-cares and why
you can change it. you can change it for $30. so, basically, you can do whatever you want and the companies still cant permaban you-
the TPM interface on the motherboard is a blessing
if that gets removed in the future, you will need to shuffle CPUs
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> not when it’s on the CPU
> and the CPU could be soldered like on a laptop
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If chinks can sign valid tpm ig’s just a mattet of time until they will sell valid keys by the bucket
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There are HWID spoofers, there are no TPM spoofers.
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>TPM spoofers.
Why would you need a TPM spoofer? Do you not understand how a TPM work? Its not an identification device.-
Yes, it is. It’s a keystore and a smartcard
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You can delete the keys saved in them freely, its not a smartcard
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they come preloaded with a private/public key which is in a list
you can prove that you are in possession of the private key similar to smart cardswhen you delete everything, you lose your valid private/public key combo
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Not that anon but you may want to read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module#Endorsement_keysand this
" The EK Certificate contains the public part of the PEK, as well as other useful fields, such as TPM manufacturer name, part model, part version, key id, etc. This information can be used to uniquely identify the TPM and if the device OEM securely attaches a TPM to the device it can be used as a device identifier"
https://tpm2-software.github.io/tpm2-tss/getting-started/2019/12/18/Remote-Attestation.html-
>Not just deriving a AIK for anonymity
scrote please, learn how to use a TPM
https://courses.cs.vt.edu/cs5204/fall10-kafura-BB/Papers/TPM/Intro-TPM-2.pdf-
It’s not up to me how scroteMAN/anti-cheats will use the TPM
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The point is if the anti-cheat people use the EK to woke af on the fact that your TPM attested that it isn’t virtual, then they tie that Key to your account, no other TPM can generate the same code (in theory) thus the TPM you used the first time you play/when you buy the game, that will become the one they require from now on.
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Seeing how you can easily erase tpm contents this is not how it works. It generates a key per sesion to validate the game and its destroyed/unused after you close the game.
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can you go into more detail, what function does the temporary key serve
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Sorry I didn’t knew you had eyesight problems
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My guess is that is it used to encrypt some memory that is used by the anti-cheat to validate what is going on in the computer in a way that cannot be tampered with
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Doesn’t work with tpm integrated in the cpu though
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https://i.imgur.com/ZIEgM7N.gif
>use the EK to woke af on the fact
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sorry let me be more clear
1. The EK certificate is issued (cryptographically signed) by the TPM vendor’s CA and verifiers are assumed to trust the vendor’s root certificate. It is important to note that the private part of the EK key is expected to never be exposed outside of the TPM hardware. This ensures an attack TPM cannot easily masquerade as coming from a trusted vendor
2. The EK Certificate contains the public part of the PEK, as well as other useful fields, such as TPM manufacturer name, part model, part version, key id, etc. This information can be used to uniquely identify the TPM
3.The EK certificate may be stored in the TPM Non Volatile Memory (NVM), where it can be made available to client software or it could be made available online via the OEM’s website
Woke af on this information, it seems like software can generate a hash that only your TPM can generate by using part of its EK cert + other information in the PCR that can then be uniquely reproducible by your TPM, so software can send a request and get a hash that only your TPM can produce, then the software can send that back to the home server where it can be stored/tied with your account, so if you sign into your account on another computer, and the software challenges your authenticity, and that new computer returns a different hash because its signed EK is different from your original TPM’s EK, the software can now know you’re on a different computer.
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Yeah, but read this
>Not just deriving a AIK for anonymity
scrote please, learn how to use a TPM
https://courses.cs.vt.edu/cs5204/fall10-kafura-BB/Papers/TPM/Intro-TPM-2.pdfNow you’re not identifiable
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see
It’s not up to me how scroteMAN/anti-cheats will use the TPM
The point I was making was that TPMs are to be uniquely identifiable from each other because they can produce unique hashes, not that every company that has software that uses a TPM will know who you are, you can be anonymous and unique simultaneously because no one entity has all the information
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>not that every company that has software that uses a TPM will know who you are
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indeed, the people bitching about TPMs should really only be fearful if they cheat in games, as this will be used to ban your computer (until change the TPM/other stuff to generate different hashes)
It isn’t another "3rd party cookie" type situation to build identifying profiles on people
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AKCHOOALLY !
there are software patches that will fool the OS into thinking TPM is present, when it isn’t, so it wouldnt be long before there are patches which substitute some kind of TPM code for another-
there are two things the TPM does, device state and ID
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You can emulate TPM pretty much since 2017, were have you been?
when you delete everything, you lose your valid private/public key combo
Yeah, and its all ok because a new key its generated when you need it and you don’t actually know how a TPM work or how its used in this scenario (anti-cheat system), so go edutate yourself please, PLEASE.
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That’s right.
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gamur scrotebrains deserve it. also a random screenshots + video footage from your screen should be enforced.
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>one person is saying X
>one person is saying Y
>neither is really giving detailed information or sources to back themselves up
>but one is posting like a 12yo
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not that one, say the other line. say it
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fTPM is not burned.
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*HONK HONK*
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Sounds like b&’d second hand computers will be cheap soon enough
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What stops some somebody from making a TPM module that lets you set a key like how most routers let you set a MAC?
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with enough skill you can probably replace the key even on the existing TPMs
problem is that you wont have a valid key to replace the banned one, similar to getting a CD key banned
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But what prevents you from faking what software is running?
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that can probably be done
you wont be able to use a rootkit though since that is checked by the TPMthey may also try to make it harder to fake what software is running but not sure
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>muh "research" muh "cram buzzwords and hope i can pass"
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I’ve been telling people the same thing for over a decade now:
It’s not the state of the linux desktop that decides the state of foss. Linux, like foss itself, have been perfectly usable for at least two decades.
The real issue is and always was hardware. Instead of wasting time adapting foss software to propitairy hardware, there should be more effort put into creating open hardware specifically for linux.
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I don’t understand who you’re replying to, Valorant and Windows 11 require a TPM, the people that want to play Valorant would still have this problem even if Linux had open hardware. also Linux does support TPMs too, they aren’t required to use the OS just like they aren’t required for Windows 10, hence why the windows 10 version of Valorant doesn’t require a TPM
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> aren’t required
SOONhttp://0pointer.net/blog/authenticated-boot-and-disk-encryption-on-linux.html
Glory to Lennart
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>Trying to get distro maintainers to agree on anything
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Most distro’s have defaulted to using systemd and it’s many "modules". It’s not impossible to force change.
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SOON the industry will be remade.
*ominous music plays*
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COPE GAYMERscroteS
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What happens when china launches their mandatory linux distro and Windows is banned over there?
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I don’t understand why you wouldn’t just use a console at this point.
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Because there are things you can do on a PC that you can’t do on a console
More than a lifetimes worth of good games exist for PC and console right now, you could never play a new game again and still be fine. If you really wanted
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PC has far more freedom and typically costs less long-term, but maybe not in the current market.
Consoles aren’t free of cheaters at this point with tools like Chronus.
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Why are you acting like banning you from someones service woke af on unique identifiers is a bad thing? Its a good thing, YOU are breaking their TOS and making the experience shit for everybody.
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Muh tos
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This.
TPM is OMG this.
Cheaters SEETHE-
zoom zoom
Compromising privacy for muh bing bing wa-hoo! yass queen!
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https://i.imgur.com/AerJkbj.gif
>zoomer scrotebrain cheater who don’t understand how a tpm work calling other people zoomers
lmao, your short attention span surely impede reading how a tpm works
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>Apple scanning my phone is OMG this!
>Microsoft hashing my home directory is OMG this!
>Amazon spying on my family’s cameras is OMG this!
>Facebook harvesting my browsing info is OMG this!
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>>>/v/
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Don’t care, fuck cheaters.
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imagine installing a rootkit to play some f2p trash
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its f2p trash now, pozzware anticheat will probably take off like denuvo though
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Sure are a lot of corporate bootlickers in this thread.
What happened to LULZ?-
2016 and newscrotes on /poo/ who eventually spread to other boards
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/poo/ hates corporate bootlicking you freaking scrote
it’s scrotes like you coming here claiming that every opinion you dislike is >/poo/ that are the real shills-
Same /poo/ that simps for billionaires, Israel and sometimes the CCP to ‘own the libs’? Yeah, shut the fuck up scrotebrain. Just admit you come from a board filled with election tourist Facebook boomers.
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rent free
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>/poo/ is one person
your an scrotebrain
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Because you keep giving them replies.
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How about you don’t cheat in games?
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i do what i want with my game you scrote
feel free to cope and seethe while i swap my account after using my 1488$/day hardware spoofer -
competitive video games are for """"nerd"""" normies – it’s all sports, so you may as well go back to cheering the next hand egg game
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I will NOT use a TPM
I will NOT live in the pod
I will NOT eat the bugs -
>using garden gnomedows 11
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thank freaking christ I use linux
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Good. Fuck cheaters.
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Man I can’t wait until every website requires a locked bootloader and disabled administrator access through some kind of safetynet like attestation system.
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underrated comment
top kek-
You just know someone from scroteMAN is writing a WebTPM standard.
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>Implying you’ll even have a local account.
You’ll be renting a thin client from your ISP.-
you will be renting it from scroteMAN.
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If that happens their servers will be deconstructed
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By who? By the time this happens there will only be like 10 people who remember how it feels to own things.
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me and my hammer
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How long until the anti-cheat software developers start a tpm blacklist so that getting banned in one game gets you banned from everything? These fuckers are being given the power to start being as gnomish as payment processors.
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what’s it like with VAC on Steam?
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Not sure what you mean since VAC bans are per game
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https://libvirt.org/formatsecret.html#vTPMUsageType
Those that hate freedom:
cannot fight
are incompetent
will always fail in the end
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>noooo you have to let me use your bidyo gam service or this is literally authoritarian fascism!!!!!
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and yet normies still give these people money
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>Buy a prebuilt
>Play Valorant with cheats for less than 14 days
>Get a hardware ban
>Return prebuilt to the store
>Some shitty kid buys this PC and finds it was hardware banned, throws an autistic fit in his basementI thank God for being born in a country with existing consumer protection laws.
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woke af
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Is that account a false flag?
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>ACPD
>I see PeDo
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when i see this i just have to ask
its a freaking video game, man. why are people okay with going to these lengths? is seeing a hacker every 50 games or so really the end of the world for gamers? good christ. "competitive integrity" for a goddamn video game. these things used to be to chill out and have fun. now look what’s become of them-
so obsessed with "ladders" "rank" or whatever
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There are scrotebrains on this very board that advocate Windows 11 and are actually excited for it. I sincerely hate consumers and wish they would die out. They are the reason that tech giants keep getting away with shit like this. I admit that it’ll be nice that cheaters will finally get bonked over and people won’t have to deal with them, but it shouldn’t take such a nuclear option to get it to happen.
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cool it with the anti-semitic remark, goy
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Why don’t you stupid fucks understand that giving people power over you isn’t good?
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I never even insinuated that I was cool or okay with it.
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I dont play that game or use windows.
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>Games 20 years ago: sell literal books full of cheat codes
>Games today: Install literal rootkits to prevent cheating
Where the fuck did we go wrong?-
since normie garden gnometubers started throwing tantrums about basties making fun of people who consoom virtually beyond their safespace in their house.
speaking of cheats. How can we turn cheat engine open source?
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>How can we turn cheat engine open source?
Game Conqueror exists on Linux, idk if it has the scripting features of CE. used it a few times for basic things like maxing out money in some games-
can it be used in online gaymes?
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Game devs got too lazy to make fully functional games, so they invented multiplayer PvP.
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Why don’t you understand the difference between multiplayer and singleplayer games?
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Some of these games are basically singleplayer but enforce always online crap. Reminds me of PSU where you can’t play singleplayer without Gameguard anticheat rootkit running.
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I think I understand what free software means now. Imagine caring about any of this crap.
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isn’t TPM 2.0 a requirement for Windows 11 anyway?
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it usually is yes
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Good thing I only use free and open source software huh :^)
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Imagine letting the Chinese government have full control of your pc just because you want to play a video game…
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True, if I were to install such garbage. Dumbass.
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Shit like this why Valve/Proton is the better future for PC.
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I don’t cheat or say scrote so this is only a good thing for me.
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>say fuck china
>tpm gets blacklisted
>get banned from all online games-
>say fuck china
Something I would never do because I could care less what happens in china-
covid happened in china
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ITT zoomers being zoomers to everyone else
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Unironically woke af. Cheating has become such a problem in modern gaming that something really needs to be done.
Modern games are trash though, so who cares.-
>sure I don’t mind that the garden gnomes track my every move and monitor all my data for hate speech, just so long as I have muh GAMES
God damn gamers are a plague that need to be wiped the fuck off the face of the earth.-
>"muh games"
>unironically whining about taking away your ability to spew hate speech in a freaking video game
youre a joke-
Why do you hate free speech so much when you’ve gained so much from it? Do you even realize that if it weren’t for free speech, your communist scrotegochud ass would be rotting in jail?
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I don’t hate free speech scrotebrain, I hate people like you that yell scrote in my matches and make literal children uncomfortable. good riddance
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>I don’t hate free speech, I just hate people that exercise it.
"Hate speech" is just a trojan horse and you know it.
Also pretty hilarious that you seethe about muh uncomfortable children when children are the ones yelling scrote in the first place. -
Redditor moment
Anyways
>fuck scrotes
>fuck garden gnomes
>fuck jannies
>fuck scrotes (dykes too)
>ywnbaw
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The only scrote here is you. Too bad you can’t see it, then again I don’t really care. get that ass banned
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Why are you blaming gamers
1st. if you’re not a gamer you don’t need to use Windows 11
2nd. Microsoft put the requirement for the OS, that is why Valorant can require it. Riot is taking advantage of a policy microsoft is pushing on all Windows users not just gamers-
Gamers provide the demand. The fact that gamers are willing to install literal rootkits like EAC on their PCs in order to play games is what drives companies to use this kind of invasive tech. If gamers took a stand and said hell no I’m not installing that shit then companies would stop doing it.
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Most games don’t use EAC, so you’re really only talking about a subset of gamers. Yet you blame all gamers
Once again it shouldn’t matter to you, unless you are a gamer, it would be kind of odd to be agamer but also call gamers a plague.
Also why did you bring up EAC the person you replied to was replying to OP, which was about Valorant, which doesn’t use EAC. Are you complaining about EAC or TPM requirements?
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>Also why did you bring up EAC the person you replied to was replying to OP, which was about Valorant, which doesn’t use EAC.
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I’m complaining about the general idea of welcoming corporate rootkits as a solution to cheating. Both EAC and TPM are examples of this. The cure is worse than the sickness. I only blame gamers who are okay with that kind of shit, but that seems to be the majority nowadays.
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No one was welcoming of Windows 8 when it launched, no one was welcoming of Windows 10 when it launched, and now no one is welcoming Windows 11, people switch begrudgingly, and again Microsoft opened this pandora’s box of their own volition, literally only one game requires a TPM and it only requires it on Windows 11 not Windows 10, there is no welcome wagon, people refuse to drop windows and Microsoft is leveraging that to push this, Gamers are not at fault
EAC and TPMs are not both examples of RootKits, obviously you’re not using the literal definition so I am sure you know this
And trust me once the streaming services get ahold of this they will require it far more than games
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A rootkit is a piece of software that exercises full control over the system by running at ring 0 or lower. Both EAC and TPM fit that definition exactly. I don’t think there’s any debate there.
>people switch begrudgingly
That’s the problem. People bitch and moan but eventually capitulate and swallow the donkey shit because they just HAVE to play the newest Cawadooty AAA release and it’s only available with a bunch of shitty malware. People cucking out is the problem, it doesn’t matter how much you bitch about it, the companies doing this do not give a shit how much heat they get as long as idiots fork over their cash in the end.-
EAC is piece of software that is designed to detect cheating
a TPM doesn’t by definition control your system, it doesn’t run as ring0 because it doesn’t freaking run on your CPU, it is a 3rd party, it is OS agnostic, it doesn’t do much of anything besides generate keys when asked. It literally doesn’t handle its own log, once the OS takes over the OS takes over control of the TPMs event log because it doesn’t even have enough memory to do that, it is nothing like EAC, other Anti-cheats, or rootkits.
>People bitch and moan but eventually capitulate and swallow the donkey shit because they just HAVE to
This is starting to sound like, so I will ask you again, WHY DOES THIS MATTER TO YOU? You do not have to use windows 11, you can stay with windows 10 until 2025, you can switch to linux, the only reason I could assume why this bothers you so much is because you are also unwilling to give up WIndows and know you will be affected by this>it doesn’t matter how much you bitch about it, the companies doing this do not give a shit
Exactly, this is exactly my point, you’re blaming gamers when companies are going to do it regardless-
Companies wouldn’t do it if gamers didn’t buy their bullshit. Why is that hard to understand?
>this doesn’t effect you hurr durr
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The company pushing this literally is requiring it of the OS, not because gamers, it isn’t even a microsoft game.
>this doesn’t affect you
was not my argumentMy question was
"why does this matter to you"
If you are one of those people that still install Windows 11 then I completely understand why you would be upset. But you and I both know that if you are one of those people then you’re part of the problem too. Which would invalidate your argument against gamers.The only argument I have made is that gamers aren’t at fault Microsoft is
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>why does this matter to you
>why do you care about anti-piracy laws? just use a VPN
>why do you care about trannies in tech? just ignore them
>why do you care about scrotes in your city? just move to the suburbs
>why do you care about hate speech laws? just don’t say nigg- oh wait now hate speech laws apply to all sorts of other stuff too? no problem just put on a mask and stay stone faced and don’t speak to anyone about politics ever and you won’t lose your job, not a problem right?
>just bury your head in the sand goy
>why do you care about the falling white birthrate it’s not like you’re gonna have kids anyway
>you’ll all by extinct in a few generations anyway goy
>why do you care about anything?
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>why do you care about anti-piracy laws? just use a VPN
I advocate for copyright law reform, and support the pirate party
>why do you care about trannies in tech? just ignore them
Yeah, do you really care about the identity of who wrote the software?
>why do you care about scrotes in your city?
I am a scrote
>why do you care about hate speech laws?
There are no hate speech laws in the USA, I want it to stay that way
>just bury your head in the sand goy
I want you to blame microsoft, not shut up
>why do you care about the falling white birthrate it’s not like you’re gonna have kids anyway
I’m a scrote, and I don’t care about any falling birthrate
>why do you care about anything?
I want you to blame microsoft, not gamers
>nothing matters
I want you to blame microsoft, not gamers, also I would really appreciate it if you accepted our lord and savior linux -
Linux isn’t Jesus or your mother anon, seek help. Please.
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>>why do you care about the falling white birthrate it’s not like you’re gonna have kids anyway
>>you’ll all by extinct in a few generations anyway goy
No one cares about whites
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Just have a burner PC for video games then.
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>just consoom more product, goyim cattle
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the problem is their solutions to cheating.
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>mfw i have an X99 chipset and can just throw old TPM out and buy a new one
Gonna keep hacking in your games lads, no much you can do about it. Sweaty zoomers deserve a good floggin anyway. -
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IF YOU TAKE AWAY MUH HACKIN N MUH scroteINO SAYIN I HAVE TO GO BACK TO TORTURING CATS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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The lazy hands of a gamedev typed this post.
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your computer is slowly turning into a console-like controlled platform and all you have to say is "well maybe you shouldn’t be cheating"
i don’t like cheaters either, but that really isn’t the problem here
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>cheat in one videogame
>lose your entire collection of videogames
The potential for abuse idea this can open up
Cheating in online games is painful, but this is the wrong way to deal with it-
Back before people went scrotebrained hackers in a counter strike server was funny to see because they’d often be spinning around and you would type a command in chat to have them banned, an admin would load up counter strike on their work machines because they always ran some from the Colo center that ran and ban the guy. Nobody should put up with this shit. Cs:go has none of this shit and the gameplay is infinitely better.
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Yes, seeing an obvious cheater is funny, but people use cheats as a cope for when someone is just better than them.
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>Leading anti-shart
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It was just the framework in the beta, the not all the modules were on
>inb4 cope
I’m right, now follow my prediction, automaton
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yes, that and they can ensure everything between the game and hardware is unmodified (read: cannot be modified by the computer "owner")
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Tpm isn’t used for tracking anon. It’s used for rsa keys and signed code. They already have methods to track everything you do regardless of your os. Tpm is just going to be used to lock your bootloader like it is on cell phones.
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>They already have methods to track everything you do regardless of your os.
That’s exactly the problem: none of the methods used for tracking on PCs were designed for that purpose, they are still using them that way
TPM makes it possible to track you deterministically, as long as you do not add mitigationsof course, locking down the operating system is a main feature of TPM and one we also don’t like
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How do I get a machine id from a TPM? I tried to find this out one time but I couldn’t find anything useful.
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you would ignore the best practice the trusted computing group has outlined and just grab the "endorsment key" from the TPM
this is a public key of a public/private key combo that your TPM was preloaded with
the manufacturer has signed this key (run their private key over your public key and added the result to the chip) so everyone can download the public key of the manufacturer and check if the endorsment key you provided is signed by them
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When you install games they already grab unique serial numbers from your motherboard, ram, cpu, gpu, mac address and all usb devices.
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provide some citations on the unique serial numbers
Intel wanted to add them to CPU but was criticized and abandoned the planmodel number + firmware version is obviously not a unique identifier
MAC is unique, but can be spoofed
do these have unique serials that can be read by software
motherboard
RAM
GPU
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>provide some citations on the unique serial numbers
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windows activation uses fingerprinting and that is very reliable, I do not know if there are actual unique identifiers in the mix
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>Intel wanted to add them to CPU but was criticized and abandoned the plan
The fuck are you on about? Almost every CPU will report it’s serial number unless you disable it in BIOS. I sell software that uses the CPU serial as a machine id. Rarely do I find any hardware that doesn’t provide this when I ask for it.
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They can grab the edid of your monitor and read your arp table
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Riot banned Linux some time ago those fgts but i can still play on emulator
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We told you all along. They’re trying to require TPM so that you will lose all control of your PC to DRM.
I guess it’s being pioneered by they most restrictive "Anti cheat" rootkit, but netflix, steam and spotify will be next…-
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FUD. TPM ensures secure boot can’t be broken, since by default user can add his own keys to Secure Boot enclave.
Obviously they want to ensure that nothing can intercept their driver before in boots into ring0.
Also, no key in TPM is permanent, it can be reset and it will regenerate its keys.-
you can do this but you will be banned from the safetynet
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Just don’t play shitty games that require you to jump through scrotebrained hoops to play them.
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>we cloned cs go
>we took everything that valve fixed but made it worst
>what can we do to send more people back to cs go?
>just tpm ban them!lmao those companies
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If they don’t trust me, why should I trust them?
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>buy tons of tpm motherboards
>load cheat software on them
>get banned
>flood the used computer market with blacklisted parts
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do you guys use secureboot or tpm on a linux machine
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Yes but I don’t trust it to do my encryption
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With TPM you wouldn’t need containment boards anymore, just TPM ban everyone that’s ever been on /poo/ and go from there
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>this frightens the election tourist
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to have less chud shizos sounds nice
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> competitive integrity
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the whole point of "TPM" was always about "security," security from you tampering.
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SHOULD I DISABLE TPM AND SECURE BOOT ON MY LINUX PC
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no. On linux you have the freedom to use it or not. On winshitty nonfree platforms, nonfree shitware will use systems like TPM for hardware attestation.
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so tpm is good for linux?
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tpm is a tool, like encryption or antivirus
the problem is when you can’t whitelist/disable the av or when you can’t decrypt your own files because of ransomware-
What has this got to do with TPM?
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TPM ensures that your operating system has not been tampered with. The problem would be when your OS restricts you, then you can’t modify and still run it
similarily, when you run rogue software it will try to fingerprint you, if you do not run such software, the unique ID does not matter
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My question was what was disabling the AV or ransomware got to do with the TPM?
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when you encrypt files yourself, you can decrypt them and they are safe on the storage device. However, the operating system can use TPM to prevent you from accessing the files on a different device (DRM). In this case, the encryption works against you.
Disabling AV would be similar to saying: Load the operating system even though "it has been tampered with". If you can decide, this is a protection from rootkits. If you can not decide, it’s locking down your device.-
>the operating system can use TPM to prevent you from accessing the files on a different device
By what mechanism can it do this?>Disabling AV would be similar to saying: Load the operating system even though "it has been tampered with"
How is disabling an "AV" tampering? By the same logic loading any software at all would be "tampering"-
>By what mechanism can it do this?
The TPM can make sure when you start the operating system it goes through a chain of trust. First the bootloader is checked and it is only loaded when it has not been changed. Then parts of the operating system are checked before they are loaded.
In the end, you should have an operating system that was not changed because the components passed the hash checks.
When the OS has passed these checks, the TPM releases the decryption key to the OS. If the operating system does not let you save the files elsewhere, you will always need to use the TPM secured OS to access the files (encrypted on disk).>How is disabling an "AV" tampering? By the same logic loading any software at all would be "tampering"
let’s say you take an executable and you modify it. The AV may block the executable and warn you that it "has been tampered with".
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What has this got to do with malware?
>let’s say you take an executable and you modify it.
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>What has this got to do with malware?
ransomware encrypts files and you can not decrypt them without asking the criminals for permission
This was an example about encryption being a tool, it is not always bad or always good
and yes, with TPM you could encrypt files against the wish of the user>>let’s say you take an executable and you modify it.
>Not really responding to the question.
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>ransomware encrypts files and you can not decrypt them without asking the criminals for permission
Yes I know. What connection does this have with the TPM? Seems like ransomware has absolutely nothing to do with the TPM.>disabling AV is not tampering, but it allows tampering
a tamper resistent AV does not let you disable it
This is literally skitzo shit. Read what you just types.
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cheaters being permabanned in universally considered a good thing, even among cheaters
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in theory steam and co. can ban me now for pirating games, right?
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Play pirated games in a VM without a network interface card
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>Software companies can now track you through your TPM’s burned-in RSA key (that you can’t change btw) and also permanently ban your whole PC in case you break their TOS
Yes. You can buy a new motherboard tho.-
or a new CPU
any way, talk shit get hit
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I’ve had it LULZ. Who actually gives a fuck about people cheating in videogames? I got my start in programming from scripting on Habbo Hotel and it’s freaking weird to me when I see people crying about people hacking and cheating in games like it’s even a problem that needs solving. I shit you not, I’ve seen people unironically saying insane shit like "cheating in videogames should be a crime" these last few years and it’s the most cringeworthy autism I have ever seen.
What happened to games being about just having fun and freaking around? G*mers are mentally ill.
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Cheating makes some games less fun. It’s really not that hard to understand why people might have an issue with it.
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>Cheating makes some games less fun. It’s really not that hard to understand why people might have an issue with it.
So play with people who don’t cheat, scrotebrain. If you’re talking about online matches with strangers, then the solution isn’t whatever the fuck OP is talking about. What happened to just reporting people, putting them in cheaterpools, or banning them?-
>So play with people who don’t cheat, scrotebrain
Wow you solved cheating! Holy shit!-
I unironically have. Just change lobbies, bitch.
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If only you could. Now there aren’t lobbies, just data centers or centeralized servers.
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>lobbies
isn’t it time for your meds granpa?-
>NOOO, THAT’S AN OLD SOLUTION
>GOOD NEW, OLD BAD
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>To prevent cheating in chess we started strapping the players into aparatus that only allow them to make legal moves, leading the anti-cheat industry in the right direction for competitive integrity
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Schizo, just play games offline. Cloud woke af spying is the future of online games. If you really want to play with other people, just get a separate console instead. Multiplayer online games are always a waste of time.
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I thought valorant was a mobile game
the graphics are shit
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How does TPM work as an anti-cheat?
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1) makes sure the operating system/kernel has not been hacked
2) can get a unique ID from the chip-
>1) makes sure the operating system/kernel has not been hacked
How does the game make sure of this?
2) can get a unique ID from the chip
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>How does the game make sure of this?
the game can request an "attestation" from the operating system/TPM>2)
it makes the hardware ID better for banlists-
Both of these sound trivial to spoof.
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you can probably work around the attestation thing by modifying the system after it has booted
the TPM ID is woke af off of a signed private key, so you will need replacement keys if one gets burned
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