The social immunology theory of schizotypism

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    • #55329
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      Since the advent of agriculture, the main predator of humans has been sociopathic humans. There’s a huge incentive for humanity to root out sociopaths. Many human social phenomena, such as joking/laughter (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)31102-8 "Reduced Laughter Contagion in Boys at Risk for Psychopathy",) public shows of empathy, etc. were evolved to identify sociopaths. Counter-evolution occurred at the same time along the sociopath germlines: sociopaths developed a kit of tools to combat these investigative mechanisms.

      Schizotypism is an adaptive trait intended to combat sociopathy.

      – perhaps the defining factor of schizoidism is paranoia, especially towards figures of authority & police forces (which possess extreme concentrations of sociopaths)
      – schizoids easily perceive hidden social manipulation schemes, of the kind favored by sociopaths
      – schizotypism reporting becomes higher in periods of low public trust towards government
      – schizotypism is associated with social withdrawal, which is necessary to avoid contamination by a sociopath-dominated social fabric
      – schizoids often report concern for society at large
      – enhanced comorbidity of sociopathy and schizotypism is explainable by the socially opposed roles of the two brain anatomies – trying to "breed the enemy out" can lead to long term hybridization

      Schizophrenia, the superlative form of schizotypism, can be viewed from this framework as a "social autoimmune disorder" in which the social immune system which evolved to combat sociopathy becomes overactive, and sees sociopathic intent in innocent people – or even thin air.

      What do you think?

    • #55330
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      I don’t know, but as a schizoid I’m clearly aware that everybody in my close circle is trying to murder me (literally but slowly and subtly) including close family members / uni
      I have no idea how I’m going to get out of this hellhole. I don’t know if the government is involved yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Police seems to be on it.

    • #55332
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      >Schizotypism is an adaptive trait intended to combat sociopathy.
      In order to prove that, you would have to show…

      1. that schizotypical people cope better with sociopaths than non-schizotypical people.
      2. that relative fertility of schizotypical people is increased in presence of sociopaths compared to non-schizotypical people.

      >such as joking/laughter,reduced Laughter Contagion in Boys at Risk for Psychopathy

      Laughter can be understood as some sort of submission signal.

      >public shows of empathy, etc. were evolved to identify sociopaths
      Yet, high-functioning sociopaths specifically exploit these mechanics for their own advantage.

      >the defining factor of schizoidism is paranoia, especially towards figures of authority
      Suspicion/fear and paranoia are two different things. Paranoia denotes a specific kind of persisting suspicion/fear against people despite having no proof of their malevolence. Often, paranoidal people do not even fear humans but some abstract entity.
      >schizoids
      Schizoids aren’t Schizoaffective. Schizoid personality disorder is more akin to depression or Asperger’s.
      >easily perceive hidden social manipulation schemes
      if that were the case, schizotypism should not be as maladaptive as it often is. Only getting positives when it comes to detecting possible manipulation schemes will make sure that you get all true-positives. It will also make sure that you get all the false-positives too.
      >schizotypism is associated with social withdrawal
      Yet, social withdrawal typically lowers in-group status and could make you more suscipible to the abuse of sociopaths. Again, another maladaptive behavioral trait when it comes to sociopathic people.
      >schizoids often report concern for society at large
      I believe that people with depression, anxiety disorders or bipolar are more empathic or better at emphatising with suffering people on average than your normal person.

      • #55347
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        1. No. You’d have to show that a community that had schizotypal people in it as a whole faired better against psychopaths. You’d also have to ask whether shizotypes were happy or respected in that community.
        In non western cultures schizotypism is not as maladaptive as it is here. People report hearing happier and kinder voices when they gear them.

        If psychopaths are a virus, it is a very successful viral strategy to attack the immune system or make it attack itself. Given they are human, they would have figured this out and realized they should target their biggest threat.

        • #55355
          Anonymous
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          >Given they are human, they would have figured this out and realized they should target their biggest threat
          psychopaths are midwits with scrote traits
          psychopaths only rise to the top because dimwits are attracted to lies and there is no incentive for the smart ones to prevent a natural phenomenon that will recur

          • #55361
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            Psychopaths aren’t the only source of psychopathic behaviour. Decisions made by groups voting have the same traits of psychopathic decision making. Strictly what’s best for the group. Thus companies and governments act psychopathically as well, even if individual members would not on their own.

            • #55367
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              Well yes, but sociopathy is strictly "asocial decision making", so by definition a social group making decisions can’t really be sociopathic
              I guess it depends on the size of the social group though. Three people benefiting themselves would be seen as sociopathic by most others. But 3 million – not really

              • #55369
                Anonymous
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                At some point, as the numbers grow, it stops being sociopathic self-interest and becomes politics

      • #55348
        Anonymous
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        >1. that schizotypical people cope better with sociopaths than non-schizotypical people.
        Well, they clearly become privy to the schemes of sociopaths long before non-schizoids do.

        >2. that relative fertility of schizotypical people is increased in presence of sociopaths compared to non-schizotypical people.
        We actually do know from current day research that schizoids exhibit higher fertility than non-schizoids. So, in order to satisfy your 2) using this, we only need to assume that society is currently dominated by sociopaths.

    • #55333
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      I think schizotypism in the US has rather clinical signs of manipulation. And it has clinical significance in other realms such as politics. Remember that our personalities are perhaps different than our parents because of lower testosterone and a cut in development, with that being said you know cicada 1, 1/2 and 2/3. The idea is society has accommodate to the majority despite not having origination in a region. It benefits US insurance industry and crime. The observation is more crimes are done inside than outside because of general satellite observation.

      What we noticed is parents accents and children’s accents differ as well as their tone. The idea is they can’t do it because it has become rather brutish with a violent appeal. So there has to be mental hygiene specialists in full effort with moderators everywhere.

      • #55342
        Anonymous
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        Is… this post a case of Google Translate fuckery, or just a schizo?

      • #55343
        Anonymous
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        >So there has to be mental hygiene specialists in full effort with moderators everywhere.
        Yes those are called the feds.
        Unironically the most powerful modern weapon is social network infection and memetic virality.
        Who needs decryption if you can just infect and subvert networks.
        Any network that is small is not a threat, any network that grows large enough becomes susceptible to infection.

      • #55385
        Anonymous
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        I can’t wrap my around this shit brah

    • #55335
      Anonymous
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      If schizophrenia had a net survival advantage it would affect a big population by now. It doesnt.

      • #55338
        Anonymous
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        Schizophrenia is side effect of medication psychiatrist give to people, there hasn’t been disease before. For sure psychiatrist cannot force enough people on antipsychotic so schizophrenia group seems large enough.

        However what pops out of society at corona times seems to be mostly schizoid, and true schizphrenics who claimed virus apocalypse 10 years before are overlooked.

      • #55340
        Anonymous
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        No. Adaptive trait doesn’t mean infinite population growth. Read about ecosystemics.

      • #55341
        Anonymous
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        By the way, flip your own logic – if schizotypism was purely maladaptive it would affect zero people by now. It doesn’t.

      • #55350
        Anonymous
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        B cells and t cells are 100% mandatory for human survival but are a small proportion of cells overall.

    • #55336
      Anonymous
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      This is scrotebrained and degenerate…

      You basically tell us that schizoids are marked as schizophreniacs by sociopathic psychiater because they are dangerous to them?

      • #55351
        Anonymous
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        https://www.jstor.org/stable/23507666?seq=1
        It’s been going on for thousands of years.

        >joking/laughter
        A way for psychopaths to share the joy of hurting others.
        >public shows of empathy
        Why public? Again something that only psychopaths do. Normal people don’t have much need to flaunt their emoathy on public, as they take it for granted.

        Psychopaths hacked the system by realizing they could just do "candid" displays of affection in public on purpose. The counterevolution towards schizotypy is the suspicion of such displays.

        • #55353
          Anonymous
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          Interesting note on garden gnomes and schizotypism re: your link, garden gnomes actually exhibit the highest degree of schizoidism of any race by a huge amount.

          • #55364
            Anonymous
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            If schizotypy raises awareness of psychopathic actions against the group, that could work to make the group adopt psychopathic practices as defenses against out group predatory psychopathic behaviour

          • #55365
            Anonymous
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            There’s probably something we’ve found relatively useful in intelligence abstraction space in the suite of genes that contribute to schizophrenia/bipolar/etc in the past, the downside being if you inherit a payload from both parents you’re bonked (I’m thinking artists and probably religious scholars/philosophers/fortune tellers). Same thing would apply to autism. That or there’s nothing useful and we’re seeing more and more just due to the amount of people who can live and survive these days. I’m on my phone and forgot what you said in your post. It is blocked by my post. Oh wait no it’s not.

        • #55357
          Anonymous
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          You don’t need "schizotypy" to find it suspicious, because it is suspicious. It pretty much only fools other psychopaths. It’s a "let me show an empathy 578A emotional display BEEP." kind of behavior. The fake "social" behavior of psychopaths has grown so different from anything real that it only fools other paychopaths and looks immediately wrong to anybody normal.

          • #55359
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            I disagree, sociopathic fakery is very effective. It’s just that you do not identify it when it is done by an effective sociopath – only by an ineffective one. So you only see the failures, not recognizing that people all around you are doing is successfully.

            • #55362
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              No. It’s the complete oposite. The behavior of psychopaths is so obviously fake that they drive out anybody non psychopathic and only form social groups with other psychopaths, where they desperately try to convince each other they are not psychopaths, while typically they have few to none non psychopaths in their social network.

              • #55366
                Anonymous
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                We know from studies on the social standing of sociopaths that this is not true. They are hyper-effective.

                • #55370
                  Anonymous
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                  They are effective in a corporate environment because you can’t call out fake behavior even if the psychopath is a shit liar.
                  See

                  […]

                  Psychopaths are the conquerer of midwits. dimwits have scrote intuition so they lose as well.
                  Once your institutions have critical mass of psychopath in control, your society will crumble from within because psychopaths behave like scrotes.

                  • #55371
                    Anonymous
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                    Why, then, does corporate culture develop?

                    • #55372
                      Anonymous
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                      because we can’t automate away midwits and dimwits yet so treating everyone like robots is the next best thing

                • #55375
                  Anonymous
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                  Why, then, does corporate culture develop?

                  The typical sociopath is some average local manager, not somebody from the upper class.

                  • #55376
                    Anonymous
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                    Typical sociopath is psychiater.

                    It means to not be capable of empathy.

                    • #55377
                      Anonymous
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                      Imo, in such a case, the psychiatrist has failed their duty to their patient if they cannot empathize.

                      • #55378
                        Anonymous
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                        What duty? Psychiatrists are not magicians. Plus psychopathy can’t be treated, you can only manage it. What they do is teach people with these pathologies how to live with other people, not how or what to feel.

                      • #55379
                        Anonymous
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                        They are :assume: somebody is psychopath. They are assuming somebody is crazy, and ruin his life woke af on it.

                        Normaly they eat souls like this of sane profound people they cannot understand.

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            • #55390
              Anonymous
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              >Normal people are "acting" all the time in their best interests. Is the only sinister part of being a sociopath the fact that they must consciously act instead of choosing reaction automatically?
              No, normal people don’t do that. The difference if you only act in your self interest (and think everyone else is scrotebrained or defective) or if you have morals.

              • #55391
                Anonymous
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                normal people intuitively move on their own self-interest which includes gaining acceptance to an in-group
                >only act in your self interest (and think everyone else is scrotebrained or defective)
                over here we call em scrotes that want gibs

                • #55392
                  Anonymous
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                  >normal people intuitively move on their own self-interest which includes gaining acceptance to an in-group
                  Sociopaths do that too. (they need allies against their enemies and competitors) The difference is if you are only guided by your self interest, instead of being good.

                  • #55393
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                    >The difference is if you are only guided by your self interest, instead of being good.
                    normal people subconsciously want to appear good for their own self interest
                    sociopath consciously want to appear good for the own self interest

              • #55394
                Anonymous
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                >No, normal people don’t do that.
                Yes they do. They do it very well too.

    • #55337
      Anonymous
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      Yea psychiater is innocent, but he injects me harmful antipsychoticos because he’s "innocent" right? And I must recieve them because I’m not pro "oil" and smillar right?

      What’s autoimmune?

      I’m telling they’ll fuck up the planet and it’s obvious by any scientific means of measure.

    • #55339
      Anonymous
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      Common psychiatric scheme is to deliver something necessary but not abundant or sacre, then they deliver something else, and are telling us without something else, or them, there wouldn’t be enough of something which before wasn’t abundant.

      Like antispychotic medicine CBD alpha 1 is enough antipsychotic…

      They made cannabis illegal and are delivering antipsychotics.

    • #55344
      Anonymous
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      >joking/laughter
      A way for psychopaths to share the joy of hurting others.
      >public shows of empathy
      Why public? Again something that only psychopaths do. Normal people don’t have much need to flaunt their emoathy on public, as they take it for granted.

      • #55354
        Anonymous
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        >-pathic public displays of empathy
        This one is probably mostly a cultural thing. Not sure if you’re American/rural American, but it seems expected of us that we’ll flaunt, to flaunt is to not conceal. It’s always the one’s you’d least expect after all, the silent guy with the DS, the man with the shovel at the Redbox

        • #55356
          Anonymous
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          I think the mechanism there is that rural communities are more homogeneous, and homogeneous communities are higher-trust. Higher-trust isn’t a passive thing, it requires "social upkeep"

        • #55360
          Anonymous
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          you’re missing the point (likely due to google translate) what I think they’re trying to say is that emotional appeal and whatnot is often used by people with cluster b personality disorders to manipulate. Often for political ends.
          Basically just social-engineering (hacking jargon, google it) applied to politics.

    • #55345
      Anonymous
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      This is my idea. I came up with this idea. Did you also come up with it indeoendently?
      Rulers have been wiping out anyone with schizo symptoms since earliest recorded history.
      We now live in a dictatorship because we don’t listen to our schizos.

      • #55349
        Anonymous
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        These guys (pic related) were ahead of you both and wrote the seminal study on the subject. It’s a very enlightening, if difficult, book. I highly recommend it to you.

        • #55352
          Anonymous
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          Thanks, will check it out

    • #55346
      Anonymous
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      Also, there is no such a thing as "emotional contagion". People may indeed share emotions because of empathy, but that doesn’t work as a contagion. That is again something that psychopaths do, as they don’t know what emotion to display. In fact most psychopaths show zero emotion except putting up fake ones to influence others and mirroring those around them.

    • #55363
      Anonymous
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      Lol what huge incentive? Why then do the majority of dumb humans keep voting sociopaths into office? Why can’t the dumb holloi polloi not see that the sociopathic corporations basically enslave them? Aren’t they supposed to be smarter? You have to go back fren, come back when you have better arguments.

    • #55368
      Anonymous
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      whoever posted abouth cannabidiol and it’s theraputic value as an antipsychotic: that’s another fascinating area of research. CB antagonists won’t replace antipsychotics currently in use – atleast not yet – but it is interesting stuff.

      • #55373
        Anonymous
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        They do… I’m on both, but I started to be violent, when I quit cannabis.

        Provably and notably.

        Traditional antipsychotics are uneffective and dissease causing compared to cannabis.

        • #55374
          Anonymous
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          >it’s withdrawal

          Withdrawl doesn’t take two years.

          Antipsychotics have full blown psychosis withdrawal.
          t> I found uranium on deepnet and told anarchist where.

    • #55380
      Anonymous
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      What is the difference between Shizotypal and Schizoid? How do you know if you are one or the other?

      • #55381
        Anonymous
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        They are interchangeable, but the most precise definitions would be that schizotypism is the spectrum, while schizoid is a moderate place on the spectrum

      • #55382
        Anonymous
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        -typal is the weird kid who daydreams too much and believes in magic.
        -oid just pathologically wants to be alone

        • #55383
          Anonymous
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          Schizoids don’t have magical thinking or odd/extreme political/religious beliefs?

    • #55384
      Anonymous
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      i think schizoids general detachment, apathy, and extreme loneliness makes them easy to exploit

    • #55387
      Anonymous
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      It’s an interesting theory to entertain but it’s not why theres been an uptick in mental health issues.

    • #55388
      Anonymous
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      > perhaps the defining factor of schizoidism is paranoia, especially towards figures of authority & police forces (which possess extreme concentrations of sociopaths)
      Paranoia by definition is false attribution of, or projection of, motives and means. There is nothing less paranoid than fear and loathing of despotism, whether in a gangsterish regime or in the archetypal bad neighborhood where smaller-time gangsters have the run of the place. Distrust where it’s due, trust where it is, is largely a function of coherence and scope in anecdotal memory.
      >schizoids easily perceive hidden social manipulation schemes, of the kind favored by sociopaths.
      Misperceive–see it where it isn’t, and not where it is, arbitrarily and all over the place, primarily due to the inability to detect gross inconsistencies in narrative.

      […]

      >And I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re not much better at rooting out true sociopaths.
      I would be astonished if they weren’t much worse at that than people who are high functioning in all of the usual parameters, and correspondingly easier to dupe.

      i think schizoids general detachment, apathy, and extreme loneliness makes them easy to exploit

      Ironic detachment is one thing, which is really indispensable to evaluation of any kind whatever. The kind of crippling social isolation so often evident on this website is another matter, which can make for depressing reading if taken in high doses.

      • #55389
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        >Paranoia by definition is false attribution of, or projection of, motives and means.

        no, there’s nothing about "false" in the diagnosis. that would be an idiotic diagnosis standard. if a guy comes into your office complaining that the government is following him and poisoning his food, and then it turns out that he’s navalny and really this was happening, did he have paranoia or didn’t he? when did he suddenly stop having it?

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