Should the Byzantine Empire epoch be renamed to “Roman Basileate”?

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    • #160688
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      Should the Byzantine Empire epoch be renamed to "Roman Basileate"? What would be the consequences of this?

      This way:
      – Roman Kingdom (753BC-509BC)
      – Roman Republic (509BC-27BC)
      – Roman Empire (27BC-629AD)
      – Roman Basileate (629AD-1453AD)
      [Succesor States]
      — Eastern Despotate (1453AD-1461AD)
      — (Others: Castille, France, Muscovy, etc)

    • #160689
      Anonymous
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      No, Byzantine Empire is used for convenience sake in the field and is interchangeable with Roman Empire nobody feels shame in calling it the Roman Empire along with Byzantine Empire since it was a vital part of their identity and state.

    • #160690
      Anonymous
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      That would imply the medieval-period Greek empire had anything in common with the Rome of Augustus or even of Diocletian

      • #160693
        Anonymous
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        >anything in common with the Rome of Augustus
        Comparing everything to Augustus’ Rome would make even the Republic fall short of being Roman. It’s utterly stupid to assume that nothing would change over multiple centuries. The Early and Middle Republic were completely different from the Empire Augustus left on his deathbed and so was that of Diocletians. It doesn’t make it less Roman.

        • #160700
          Anonymous
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          >It doesn’t make it less Roman.
          it does
          rome was ok until 212, then it lost its priviledged status, following 3rd cent crisis and dominate was already not the good old rome anymore with the political and economic reforms
          then each dude like Constantine, Theodosius and Justinian cased more amd more difference towars oriental despocy

          • #160701
            Anonymous
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            >Blaming three Emperors who literally had to use Diocletians administration and military for everything and operating under the new political rules he created

            • #160702
              Anonymous
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              1) Constantine didn’t have to enforce the dominate ceremonies and other by, not to mention his support for christcuckery
              2) Theodosius didn’t have to sperg out agains pagans, not to mention his declaration of single state religion
              3) J*stinian destroyed Italy and the budget of the East with Gothic wars that were absolutely redundant, that autist didn’t even stop during the weather events of 535 and 542 and the plague, many aquaducts destroyed and population drastically reduced

              also the whole roman magistrate system was dismatled, leading to despocy

              • #160703
                Anonymous
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                >Theodosius didn’t have to sperg out agains pagans
                Why not? Paganism was dead and the only pagans left were actually LARPagans like Julians who were threatening the social order of the empire

                • #160706
                  Anonymous
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                  >Paganism was dead and the only pagans left were actually LARPagans like Julians who were threatening the social order of the empire
                  source: my ass

                  your rant about "social order" only proves me right, those in charge were not the old romans anymore and just eastern larpers

                  Why control Rome when they already have the Cooler Rome?

                  if new rome is that cooler, why did they keep calling it Constantinople instead or didn’t named themselves Constantinopole empire?

                  • #160707
                    Anonymous
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                    >why did they keep calling it Constantinople
                    To flatter the ego of the emperor, who didn’t tell them to stop because he liked being flattered, like most emperors.

                    • #160709
                      Anonymous
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                      that would make sense only until Constantine’s death

                      • #160726
                        Anonymous
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                        No, because by that point it was what everybody was calling it so they just kept calling it that. The name stuck.

                    • #160710
                      Anonymous
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                      Alexander’s influence

                  • #160711
                    Anonymous
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                    Eastern LARPers were better at managing an empire it seems

                    • #160712
                      Anonymous
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                      >12046544
                      pagan rome conquered 0
                      christian rome conquered 2

                      • #160714
                        Anonymous
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                        Pagan Rome got conquered by Christian Rome and without a fight on top of that

                      • #160715
                        Anonymous
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                        dying is not being conquered

                      • #160717
                        Anonymous
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                        Technically you can’t conquer your own empire but Roman pagans did get BTFO easily without any resistance from their side

                      • #160745
                        Anonymous
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                        By the same logic, Roman Empire didn’t get conquered either.
                        The true Romans (Ottomans), descendants of the Trojans, took back the control of the Roman empire

                  • #160713
                    Anonymous
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                    >didn’t named themselves Constantinopole empire
                    The same reason why America doesn’t call itself the United States of Washington

                    • #160716
                      Anonymous
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                      this is complete bullshit
                      usa is using neutral name, unlike "roman empire" wannabe that doesn’t have rome
                      no amount of cope will help with that

                      • #160718
                        Anonymous
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                        It’s almost like there is no rule that says an empire has to be named after its capital.
                        Dilate and seethe more.

                      • #160721
                        Anonymous
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                        naming after a city you don’t even own is very pathetic
                        cope harder greekoid

                      • #160724
                        Anonymous
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                        Time is linear, genius. The Empire wasn’t named after a city it didn’t own because it still owned it when it was named. Once again you lack basic understanding of reality. That dilate meds must be very good.

                      • #160725
                        Anonymous
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                        >you lack basic understanding of reality
                        LARPagans tend to be that way

                      • #160730
                        Anonymous
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                        >seething so much
                        whatever that "empire" was, it lost any legitimacy to be named after rome when they lost it
                        >hurr durr you do not need to own the city to have right to be named after it
                        yes you do. literaly no other empire did this embarassment, only byzantine larpers. that’s why pope was absolutely correct that the roman throne is empty, even it wasn’t the good old rome anymore. byzantines can be somewhat cultural descendants of rome, but they were never romans. no amount of their own delusion will help.

                      • #160733
                        Anonymous
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                        >be the Roman Empire
                        >government of Rome moves to another city
                        >UHHH YOU CAN’T CALL YOURSELVES ROMANS ANY MORE YOU CAN’T BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE IN ROME TO BE ROMAN AND
                        nobody cares autist, it’s the same government, the same culture

                      • #160740
                        Anonymous
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                        >>UHHH YOU CAN’T CALL YOURSELVES ROMANS ANY MORE YOU CAN’T BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE IN ROME TO BE ROMAN
                        >YOU HAVE TO BE IN ROME TO BE ROMAN
                        indeed
                        >nobody cares autist
                        literally all historians do, that’s why they call it "the Byzantine empire" and ignore greek larping attempts, cope more Alexios
                        >it’s the same government, the same culture
                        highly debatable, depends on the period. definitely not few decades after moving the capital

                      • #160743
                        Anonymous
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                        >literally all historians do, that’s why they call it "the Byzantine empire" and ignore greek larping attempts, cope more Alexios
                        Schizo sis…open the wiki again.

          • #160729
            Anonymous
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            >it does

            stopped reading right there, fuck off

          • #160747
            Anonymous
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            >oriental despocy
            Doesn’t exist, is just a buzzword

      • #160746
        Anonymous
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        It had tons of things in common with them because it was the unbroken development of their state.

    • #160691
      Anonymous
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      Christian Roman Empire works fine

    • #160692
      Anonymous
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      >roman basileate
      >does not control rome
      kek, no

      • #160694
        Anonymous
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        More like they abandoned it for the vastly superior New Rome

      • #160704
        Anonymous
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        Why control Rome when they already have the Cooler Rome?

      • #160705
        Anonymous
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        By this logic the western empire ceased to be Rome after they moved the capital to Ravenna and abandoned the eternal city, which happened nigh on a century before the last western emperor was deposed. Also, Constantine originally christened the eastern capital as "New Rome", but everybody just called it "Constantine’s City".

        • #160708
          Anonymous
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          I said rome died in 212 when it lost its priviledged status. it was still important cultural center, even though the emperor resided elsewhere. (but dominate was also not the same rome anymore)
          that’s why eastern larpers called themselves romans even they didn’t hold it anymore

          • #160727
            Anonymous
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            Nah, Rome died in 27 BC, the empire is a bunch of LARP with imperial toadies pretending to be senators.

      • #160719
        Anonymous
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        They did until the 8th century though. Also Rome was irrelevant by then

    • #160695
      Anonymous
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      I dont agree with this map. Justinian/Belisarius never successfully reclaimed the Italian peninsula.
      They took over Silicy, the south up to Naples, the dilapidated husk of Rome, and eventually Ravenna.
      Milan was never won back.

      regarding your question, just leave it as byzantine empire. byzantine also has the meaning to be confusing/complex

    • #160696
      Anonymous
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      Christian Roman Empire. But if you’re going to do Basileate, then it should end at 1204. I don’t think they were calling themselves Basileus after 1204 (well really, they mostly stopped by the Komnenoi dynasty)

      • #160742
        Anonymous
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        what was their title after 1204?

        • #160744
          Anonymous
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          Autokrator. Beverly it was Basileus and Autokrator

    • #160697
      Anonymous
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      Let’s just stick with Byzantine Empire. It’s established. Yeah, no one ever called it that until long after it was gone, but the Germans don’t call themselves Germans either.

    • #160698
      Anonymous
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      Maybe take Empire out and split it into Principate and Dominate and then I suppose it fits.

    • #160699
      Anonymous
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      Christian Rome makes as much sense as the caliphates being Islamic Sumeria.

    • #160720
      Anonymous
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      It was the Roman empire up until Heraclius’ death, after that it’s a Greek empire.

      • #160722
        Anonymous
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        Christian* empire
        Many byzantine emperors weren’t greek

        • #160723
          Anonymous
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          Literally none of them was ethnic greek

    • #160728
      Anonymous
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      Constantinople (Nova Roma) was superior to the original Rome in every single way. Western cucks will seethe.

    • #160731
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    • #160732
      Anonymous
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      No. The Roman Empire ended in 610-641

    • #160734
      Anonymous
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      Roman Kingdom -753 to -509
      Roman Republic -509 to -27
      Roman Principate -27 to 285
      Roman Dominate 285 to 629
      Roman Basileate/Byzantium 629 to 1453

      • #160738
        Anonymous
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        >285 to 629
        how do you figure this one

        • #160741
          Anonymous
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          The imperial system during the 7th century was very similar to the one Diocletian left. Hell, that’s even the case up until the 8th century. It’s really not until the fallout of the 20 year anarchy that things change

    • #160735
      Anonymous
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      Christian Greco-Roman Empire (CGRE)

      • #160736
        Anonymous
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        why didn’t Constantine call his country Israel?

        • #160737
          Anonymous
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          Because, in Constantine’s own words, "we have received from our Saviour a different way"

        • #160739
          Anonymous
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          Constantinople was sometimes unofficially called "New Jerusalem"

    • #160748
      Anonymous
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      Roman Sultanate/Khanate/(Empire reborn) — 1453-1922
      Roman Republic Restored (1922-Present)

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