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Should Christians defend themselves? Jesus set the example of nonviolence to the extreme. Where do people draw the line?
Also why didn’t he turn the other cheek? Even he couldn’t follow his own teachings.
John 18:22-23
>When he had said these things, one of the officers standing by struck Jesus with his hand, saying, “Is that how you answer the high priest?” [23] Jesus answered him, “If what I said is wrong, bear witness about the wrong; but if what I said is right, why do you strike me?” -
Christians are encouraged to bear violence and all injustice without responding in force but it’s not a sin to retaliate per se. That’s the message of the sermon on the mount coupled with the positive view of force found in much of the old testament.
In short, almost pacifism. Most Christians get this wrong but the early church understood.-
>but it’s not a sin to retaliate
Do not resist evil? Turn the other cheek? So doing the opposite of what Jesus commanded isn’t a sin?-
So when God commanded the canaanite conquest he commanded sin?
Just like divorce was acceptable but not ideal, so too resisting evil is acceptable but not ideal.-
Wasn’t that supposed to be part of the old covenant?
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In the sense that the new covenant hadn’t come. Does God change his mind to you?
Besides that look at the acts of force God declares he will take in the end times. Is the use of force necessarily evil? Obviously not. But again, the truth is nearer to pacifism than most just-war views.-
>But now Jesus has obtained a superior ministry, since the covenant that he mediates is also better and is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his sis, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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That’s paul Hebrews
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I don’t personally think Paul wrote itExpound, tell me what it means in this context and why you posted it
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Paul’s saying that Jesus gave us the new testament promised in the Prophets
>since the covenant that he mediates is also better and is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
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What does that have to do with the present discussion. Do you disagree with something i said?
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Yes everything
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Please tell me where and why
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I care not to explain
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>Why would I believe what some God said 5000 years ago it has nothing to do with modern circumstances
>Whuu whuuu wait why did God contradict himself here thousands of years later? He’s supposed to be infallible gotcha! -
>The Demiurge
>God
Anon…
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>but it’s not a sin to retaliate per se
Where do you get that? The best thing a Saint could do was get himself killed for speaking the truth.
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>Jesus set the example of nonviolence to the extreme
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;-
sis moment
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Yes actually
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>And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple
He never meant for his followers to do the same. This is something he did with the authority of God.
Whereas Matthew 5 is telling Christians exactly how they should act
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>We shouldn’t be like Jesus guys?
>Why? We just shouldn’t okay!-
So you should go die on a cross?
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yes actually, why wouldn’t you emulate Jesus
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You do that bro
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He said may the sinless man throw the first stone
He’s the only one who could
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>He’s the only one who could
whats the point of yaweh birthing into jesus as man if he is going to be perfect mary sue snowflake free of sin
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Cool it with the antisemitism
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>Also why didn’t he turn the other cheek? Even he couldn’t follow his own teachings.
Damn, it’s almost like turn the other cheek has a specific meaning and isn’t just ‘never defend yourself at all’.
Nobody denies that. Jesus didn’t go into the temple when he saw all the garden gnomes being gnomish with money, and say ‘Well I’ll just turn the other cheek :)’
Why make a gotcha just to refute it?-
>Damn, it’s almost like turn the other cheek has a specific meaning and isn’t just ‘never defend yourself at all’.
>ITS METAFORIKAL!! JEBUS DOESN’T MEAN SHIT UNLESS I AGREE WITH HIS TEACHINGS.
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>Different meaning than some 3rd grade oversimplification = metaphor
Pseud or room temp IQ? Or both?-
Really show me where it says it’s just a "simplification". This is about as clear as it gets??
Matthew 5:38-39
>“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ [39] 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
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It’s meant to be advice to not chimp out over stupid frivolous shit. Holy fuck can people even comprehend subtlety or context at all nowadays?
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Muh 1 out of context example. Go back to kindergarten.
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Cry about it.
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I’m not to one who has cognitive dissonance. Keep practicing paganism. Might is right.
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What the hell are you talking about?
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You’re not an actual Christian you still believe in pagan values
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>Might is right
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Yes
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Damn he’s cute I’d hit that
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You don’t forgive someone if they’re not sorry. Turning the other cheek is about being tolerant to those who might lash out at you when you’re telling them the truth. It has NOTHING to do with a bully committing unrelenting violence towards you.
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>You don’t forgive someone if they’re not sorry.
Do Christians really?
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Yes.
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>Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Did the Romans apologize?
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They did, actually. Ask Constantine.
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Is this scrote the new JWscrote?
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Yes JWscrote left us I must fill his place
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Ideally, yes, but we are creatures of sin, if i could have the strength and will of the early martyrs of the church who went to the lions with clasped hands, i would be happy man, but i do not.
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At least someone’s honest
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spread the other cheek, before I ram cock in ass
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Meanwhile, how real priests look like
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Pope Francis when he was young
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unironically looks like a pedophile
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the passive "turn the other cheek" shit is meant to cuck people -
If you want a place in heaven. This realm of existence is nothing but a test for your soul.
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