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    • #117708
      Anonymous
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      Should Christians defend themselves? Jesus set the example of nonviolence to the extreme. Where do people draw the line?

      Also why didn’t he turn the other cheek? Even he couldn’t follow his own teachings.

      John 18:22-23
      >When he had said these things, one of the officers standing by struck Jesus with his hand, saying, “Is that how you answer the high priest?” [23] Jesus answered him, “If what I said is wrong, bear witness about the wrong; but if what I said is right, why do you strike me?”

    • #117709
      Dirk
      Guest

      Christians are encouraged to bear violence and all injustice without responding in force but it’s not a sin to retaliate per se. That’s the message of the sermon on the mount coupled with the positive view of force found in much of the old testament.
      In short, almost pacifism. Most Christians get this wrong but the early church understood.

      • #117712
        Anonymous
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        >but it’s not a sin to retaliate
        Do not resist evil? Turn the other cheek? So doing the opposite of what Jesus commanded isn’t a sin?

        • #117725
          Dirk
          Guest

          So when God commanded the canaanite conquest he commanded sin?
          Just like divorce was acceptable but not ideal, so too resisting evil is acceptable but not ideal.

          • #117728
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Wasn’t that supposed to be part of the old covenant?

            • #117732
              Dirk
              Guest

              In the sense that the new covenant hadn’t come. Does God change his mind to you?
              Besides that look at the acts of force God declares he will take in the end times. Is the use of force necessarily evil? Obviously not. But again, the truth is nearer to pacifism than most just-war views.

              • #117734
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >But now Jesus has obtained a superior ministry, since the covenant that he mediates is also better and is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his sis, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

                • #117735
                  Dirk
                  Guest

                  Expound

                  • #117736
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    That’s paul Hebrews

                    • #117738
                      Dirk
                      Guest

                      Right
                      I don’t personally think Paul wrote it

                      Expound, tell me what it means in this context and why you posted it

                      • #117739
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Paul’s saying that Jesus gave us the new testament promised in the Prophets

                        >since the covenant that he mediates is also better and is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

                      • #117741
                        Dirk
                        Guest

                        What does that have to do with the present discussion. Do you disagree with something i said?

                      • #117742
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Yes everything

                      • #117743
                        Dirk
                        Guest

                        Please tell me where and why

                      • #117744
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I care not to explain

          • #117763
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Why would I believe what some God said 5000 years ago it has nothing to do with modern circumstances
            >Whuu whuuu wait why did God contradict himself here thousands of years later? He’s supposed to be infallible gotcha!

          • #117769
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >The Demiurge
            >God
            Anon…

      • #117762
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >but it’s not a sin to retaliate per se
        Where do you get that? The best thing a Saint could do was get himself killed for speaking the truth.

    • #117710
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Jesus set the example of nonviolence to the extreme
      And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

      • #117713
        Anonymous
        Guest

        sis moment

        • #117715
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yes actually

      • #117718
        Anonymous
        Guest

        sis moment

        Yes actually

        >And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple

        He never meant for his followers to do the same. This is something he did with the authority of God.

        Whereas Matthew 5 is telling Christians exactly how they should act

        • #117737
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >We shouldn’t be like Jesus guys?
          >Why? We just shouldn’t okay!

          • #117740
            Anonymous
            Guest

            So you should go die on a cross?

            • #117749
              Anonymous
              Guest

              yes actually, why wouldn’t you emulate Jesus

              • #117750
                Anonymous
                Guest

                You do that bro

          • #117765
            Anonymous
            Guest

            He said may the sinless man throw the first stone

            He’s the only one who could

            • #117767
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >He’s the only one who could
              whats the point of yaweh birthing into jesus as man if he is going to be perfect mary sue snowflake free of sin

      • #117760
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Cool it with the antisemitism

    • #117711
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Also why didn’t he turn the other cheek? Even he couldn’t follow his own teachings.
      Damn, it’s almost like turn the other cheek has a specific meaning and isn’t just ‘never defend yourself at all’.
      Nobody denies that. Jesus didn’t go into the temple when he saw all the garden gnomes being gnomish with money, and say ‘Well I’ll just turn the other cheek :)’
      Why make a gotcha just to refute it?

      • #117716
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Damn, it’s almost like turn the other cheek has a specific meaning and isn’t just ‘never defend yourself at all’.

        >ITS METAFORIKAL!! JEBUS DOESN’T MEAN SHIT UNLESS I AGREE WITH HIS TEACHINGS.

        • #117717
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Different meaning than some 3rd grade oversimplification = metaphor
          Pseud or room temp IQ? Or both?

          • #117720
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Really show me where it says it’s just a "simplification". This is about as clear as it gets??

            Matthew 5:38-39
            >“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ [39] 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

    • #117714
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s meant to be advice to not chimp out over stupid frivolous shit. Holy fuck can people even comprehend subtlety or context at all nowadays?

    • #117719
      Anonymous
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      • #117722
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Muh 1 out of context example. Go back to kindergarten.

        • #117723
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Cry about it.

          • #117726
            Anonymous
            Guest

            I’m not to one who has cognitive dissonance. Keep practicing paganism. Might is right.

            • #117730
              Anonymous
              Guest

              What the hell are you talking about?

              • #117733
                Anonymous
                Guest

                You’re not an actual Christian you still believe in pagan values

            • #117753
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Might is right

              • #117754
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Yes

                • #117764
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Damn he’s cute I’d hit that

    • #117721
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You don’t forgive someone if they’re not sorry. Turning the other cheek is about being tolerant to those who might lash out at you when you’re telling them the truth. It has NOTHING to do with a bully committing unrelenting violence towards you.

      • #117724
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >You don’t forgive someone if they’re not sorry.

        Do Christians really?

        • #117727
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yes.

          • #117729
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

            Did the Romans apologize?

            • #117731
              Anonymous
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              They did, actually. Ask Constantine.

    • #117745
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Is this scrote the new JWscrote?

      • #117746
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Yes JWscrote left us I must fill his place

    • #117747
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Ideally, yes, but we are creatures of sin, if i could have the strength and will of the early martyrs of the church who went to the lions with clasped hands, i would be happy man, but i do not.

      • #117748
        Anonymous
        Guest

        At least someone’s honest

    • #117751
      Anonymous
      Guest

      spread the other cheek, before I ram cock in ass

    • #117752
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

    • #117755
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Meanwhile, how real priests look like

      • #117756
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Pope Francis when he was young

        • #117766
          Anonymous
          Guest

          unironically looks like a pedophile

      • #117757
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Pope Francis when he was young

        Pope Ratzinger when he was young

      • #117758
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Pope Francis when he was young

        […]
        Pope Ratzinger when he was young

        Mendel (the priest that started the Genetics as field of study)

      • #117759
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Pope Francis when he was young

        […]
        Pope Ratzinger when he was young

        […]
        Mendel (the priest that started the Genetics as field of study)

        Texas Bishop, it’s funny that many priests and catholics in general are the spiritual and genetic elite of their communities

    • #117761
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yes
      the passive "turn the other cheek" shit is meant to cuck people

    • #117768
      Anonymous
      Guest

      If you want a place in heaven. This realm of existence is nothing but a test for your soul.

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