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Redpill me on the devil. What is it?
Is it material?
Is it feeling?
Is it the spirit of rebellion?
Is it chaos?
How does it act? Why? -
you’re an idiot scrote pseud, have sex then you should be cleared up of all moronic questions
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Why do I make you mad? Is it because “having sex” is taking the apple of Eden?
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Hero revolting against the demiurge in the name of freedom
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"the devil" is selfishness
"god" is selflessness
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God is the most selfish being imaginable scrotebrain he built a whole world to torture for his exclusive pleasure and satisfaction. He believes the only thing in existence that should enjoy existing is himself.
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>his talking point in a devil thread is that there is no God
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Can you even read? I didn’t even insinuate that there is no god.
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You built an unstable pile of bricks which fell over, or a wooden piece of crap shack upon quicksand. Nobody sees God in anything you wrote.
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You’d have to be completely delusional not to accept the evil nature of God.
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God created you. He made you in the image of himself. He is neither dumber, nor is he more evil than you. God is the absolute reason and your reason is only a tiny copy of it.
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>He is neither dumber, nor is he more evil than you
>God is the absolute reason and your reason is only a tiny copy of itThese two statements contradict each other. If God can be "more" than me in any sense then he can be more than me in ANY sense. If I’m a "tiny copy" of his true essence and his "true essence" is larger than me that means that since his true nature is evil then his evil is larger than mine. God believes he can claim that all the good things about me are really him and the bad things are me but in reality it’s the opposite. The good things are me and the bad things are him.
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You’re made in the image of god. As a mirror. I mean “you” as a human, in your natural state, without sin, but with the freedom of choice
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God has freedom of choice too he just doesn’t call his evilness "sin.
>God creates me as a "mirror
>I already contain all his evil
>he doesn’t define his own evil as sin
>once I’m separate from him he defines his evil nature inside of me as "sin" -
Because it isn’t. God is literally the original creator, he defines good and evil
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And he defines it in a way that exposes his morally corrupt and evil nature
>anything you do is evil
>anything I do is goodYou’d have to be scrotebrained to believe this is valid.
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>exposes his morally corrupt and evil nature
Not that anon but by saying this you choose to define God as evil and therefore you exalt yourself in pride and you aren’t even asking God for goodness. To be found as one spitting on God and not asking for righteousness and goodness is to be found out s a devil and a liar. -
>And he defines it in a way that exposes his morally corrupt and evil nature
Good is good only because God wants so, the same with evil. What other choices do you have? Good is evil and evil is good? -
>What other choices do you have? Good is evil and evil is good?
The point is that God is corrupt because he already does define his evil as good and other people’s good as evil. The "other choice" I have is to accept my own subjective view of what’s good and evil instead of God’s subjective view of what good and evil. God believes he can call him raping or mutilating me good and me hosting video game tournaments as evil. Like you said I’m a "mirror" of God meaning I already possess his capacity to discern good from evil, so I know that the evil things he does are evil regardless of what he says.
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Matter is ephemeral. Reason is eternal. God is the reason. There is no reason above God. Below reason there is feeling. You’re guided by feeling, my friend, not reason. The punishment you experience occurs because of your removal from God’s reason. God, the Logos, set the laws of the universe. And you should obey them. Otherwise you will suffer.
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God projects his putrid consciousness into material forms so that he can commit material sins. Your argument is 100% woke af on might makes right. God is the most powerful so he can set the conditions, it has nothing to do with reason and does nothing to support the notion that he’s good or just. The conditions he sets are cruel and malicious. People suffer even if they follow God’s conditions for this world.
>suffer in a loveless marriage with a cruel woman while you toil endlessly in a physically and mentally destructive job until you’re too weak to continue, if you have a single positive thought about yourself or seek the slightest comfort or goodness in life you will be severely punished!!
>accept these conditions of suffering or else you will suffer!!God is a completely deranged and evil scrotebrain. Yes he’s powerful but that’s all, not good, not just, not loving, not reasonable, just evil.
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>might makes right
That isn’t what the other poster said at all, He was saying truth makes right. It takes patience, and study to find truth, something that seems to be out of your grasp.
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Evil exists because of freedom of choice, and existence is better than non- existence. God is the orderer, God is the reason. I noticed it in myself. All my suffering comes from decisions woke af on feelings and neglect of logic
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Is it impolite to ask you why existence is better than non-existence?
In non-existence, there is no evil because according to the logic of your post, there is no freedom of choice or cognition. Of course there is no good either. So non-existence would be morally neutral.
If God alone is good, the source of goodness and reason, there would there always be a distance between us and true goodness, us and true reason? In other words, evil and suffering, irrationality, etc. will always plague our existence. If God is good, then you are telling me that the world must be intrinsically less-than-good if not evil. And moral neutrality seems better than less-than-good or evil. Unless I misunderstand you?-
>why existence is better than non-existence?
Existence allows the “better” to be in the first place. Without existence there wouldn’t be any good. Good is the natural state, there is no neutral.
>would there always be a distance between us and true goodness, us and true reason?
Yes
In other words, evil and suffering, irrationality, etc. will always plague our existence.
No. Evil is disobedience to the law, that is perfect
>If God is good, then you are telling me that the world must be intrinsically less-than-good if not evil.
I don’t think to world is evil as soon as it operates to the God’s law, which is boon.
>And moral neutrality seems better than less-than-good or evil.
Again, there is no moral neutrality, non-existence doesn’t exist.-
Forgive me, I am not very well versed in talking about these things. I went for a walk and am just seeing your post now.
It seems to me that we are really conflating two or more types of ‘evil’. One would be the human type of evil, which you say is caused by deviance from some sort of law.
If that is the case, then from a Christian perspective aren’t we all intrinsically bound to deviate from the law? I’m pretty sure Paul talks about this. The only person who operated according to the law all the time was Jesus. Again there is a separation between us and the perfect order.
So we will always be, no matter how good we think we are, deviation from the true law. Evil. suffering, etc. will always exist from your perspective.
Then there is a type of evil or cause of suffering that seems to be intrinsic to how the world operates, independent of human choice. Natural disaster, random illness, the inevitable explosion of our sun, etc. How is this good? You said there is no moral neutrality, so how would you categorize this morally?
Non-existence must exist for existence to exist. I lean more towards a Buddhist understanding on these matters. Really, I think we can say ‘exist’ and ‘non-exist’ because it is convenient, but we can’t really use those terms accurately to describe what is. But that is besides our current topic of discussion.
I would like to hear your response if you are still interested in talking.-
>Then there is a type of evil or cause of suffering that seems to be intrinsic to how the world operates, independent of human choice. Natural disaster, random illness, the inevitable explosion of our sun, etc. How is this good? You said there is no moral neutrality, so how would you categorize this morally?
Greater good. You see, it all is a problem for humans only because we’re deficient. If there was no sin, there would be absolute harmony. Take saints as an example. They’re invincible. This cataclysms don’t affect them.
>Non-existence must exist for existence to exist.
It’s an occult viewpoint that aims to justify evil
I don’t know much about Buddhism, but for me it seems that instead of absolute reason it promotes absolute nothing, which is rather chaos than order-
Nothing in english is chaotic, nihilistic, so it is somewhat of a mistranslation. Think of it as No-Thing, because nothingness is something. It’s a negation of a negation, similar to apophatic forms of thinking about Christianity. Like I said, I lean towards that understanding, but I have my problems with Buddhism as well.
I still don’t quite understand your point of view and it leaves me with many questions, but I don’t think it is worthwhile to keep bothering you. Thank you for answering me anyways.
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>aren’t we all intrinsically bound to deviate from the law?
We have free will. From what I know we can move both ways: towards deviation and towards uniformity -
Also I assume that what you mean by non-existence can also be interpreted as invisible, the spirit
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Evil exists because of God’s freedom of choice. God chose evil, not mankind. non-existence is better than existence. Existence is an absolutely horrific experience because God "orders" it to be horrific. Non-existence is absolute peace.
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>Existence is an absolutely horrific experience because God "orders" it to be horrific.
Not God, but removal from God
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Not biblical, Ayn Rand.
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Yes, but isn’t it more than that?
Also subjective order woke af on feelings
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This. The Holy spirit is the spirit of love, and love is sacrifice for another.
If you want to find the devil, just flip the Holy spirit upside down and deny the goodness and holiness of it. To willfully do this is the only unforgivable sin that leads straight to hell. For example take the fruits of the spirit:
>love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control…” – Galatians 5:22-23
and do the opposite:
>hate, depression, war, impatience, evil, greedy, hopelessness, cruel, undisciplined…
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The devil is Satan’s demons and alter ego. The devil, and devils, go forth and sin it up. They have a party. Their goal is to distract you from God. That is all their objective is. No God? That is good to the devil and Satan. Once the devil has done an evil job of sin getting ahead of everyone else by having a life of the party, he then turns around to God and says, “God, look at all those people I just totally outdid by having a huge awesome party. See all of them? Their lives suck by comparison to mine.”
Get it now? The devil had more sex than you, he had more beers than you, he got more Mulah than you, he is more successful than you. He has more cars in his warehouse than you. His privy member size is bigger and longer than yours, because he has been growing it before everyone else was at a young age in some kid he possessed early. He might even be possesssed since birth. God will give people a chance to confess to Jesus and come over, and stop accusations, but the devil and his goal is simply to outdo people and distract from God and then accuse. He got more hurt than you in the sin he was engaging in, and it all your fault he has a hangover. The red devil with the tail, a big sharp teeth grin, horns. and the pitchfork is just an example of what he looks like in ideology woke af on the way the devil lives. But then he has to transform himself into an angel of light when he is done in order to perform the offensive slanders. So he has to shave off his horns and cut off his tail. Groom his hooves back to hands and feet and toes, put a Whig back on and get rid of the reddened skin every single time he transforms.
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>Their goal is to distract you from God.
Is entertainment (music, movies, fiction) evil?-
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Already answered what sin is there.
Evil is when wickedness is no longer ignorant. Evil is knowledge of evil and willful disobedience to God to co to use to do it. With evil there is pride in sin and no longer any shame or hiding of it any longer.
Like this thread: https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/574544362/
LULZ is a blue board and it was raided today by child porn artists begging people to come to their websites and look at child porn together. It was up for hours and the mods took way too long.
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Anything I don’t like is the devil.
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The jw got lazy. Just hits select all > paste same old image > no message just links the special unlisted JW site. Crossing awfully close to spam.
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the article answers OP’s question
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I do see that you at least curate the garden gnome newer the topic, but it still comes across as automated response with no unique message of your own. Especially not using the Bible yourself. Awake O sword.
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Jw site for the topic+
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the bible verses are in the link
I apologize if I made it seem like an automated response, I will do my best next time 🙂
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God’s Sword is not a sleeping blade. It is alive and does battle. Awake O sword and cut off their shepherd. Learn it their self.
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It’s an antagonization of the enemies of the cult made into a scapegoat to blame for one’s mistakes and misfortune.
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Midwit, please
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midwit literally means nothing as it’s only ever used against people other people disagree with.
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hehe froag
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The devil is too broad. Lucifer is the planet venus, and free will blah blah blah not really a devil at all. But i suspect you are asking about the concept of Satan. The ancients organized heaven by 7 planetary realms; as you may know, Saturn is the furthest of these planets. It is also the planet most associated with evil – cronus, who tried to swallow zeus. Tiamat, the 7 headed dragon, who would destroy the world. And of course…Ialdabaoth, the demiurge, in gnostic tradition the lord of the material and creator of the archons. Consider that while the other planetary heavens and gods intercede on behalf of the human race, the 7th, saturn, satan, acts only to destroy us. this is why the conjunction of jupiter and saturn is known as the battle between Michael and Satan (a mirror image of the slaying of Tiamat by Marduk, who was a proxy for the great lord of the sky Anu). What is the esoteric role of saturn? To destroy consciousness, and subsume the world into the realm of the material and only material. If Lucifer is the spirit of freedom, the Enki or Prometheus who delivers mankind the ability to choose at the cost of choosing wrong, Satan is the one who wants you to die because the concept of consciousness makes him irrationally angry. Id say "the devil" is the latter and he can eat my enlightened ass. All my homies wear a Phrygian cap, don’t get caught looking like a saklas in my good or ill have my sis mithras light yo goofy ass up
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Doesn’t look that scary or evil as one would expect.
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