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By now you should know winners don’t get nuremeburg’d
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sneed criminal
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>war criminal
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>war criminal
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why’s an american wearing a nazi uniform
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can’t break laws you don’t abide by.
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I HATE those freaking earbuds. Literally feels like a knife digging into my head.
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you might have tumor. look into it.
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Wait a sec, I thought Nazis liked Patton?
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The Germans had a higher opinion of Patton than Patton’s actual allies.
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Well duh, they didn’t have to put up with his antics and were only seeing what the American press wanted them to see.
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The Germans had a higher opinion of Patton than Patton’s actual allies.
Yes, because he was scrotebrained,
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The Germans had a higher opinion of Patton than Patton’s actual allies.
Post-war myth. Patton was "I don’t think about you at all"-tier to the Germans until autumn of 1944. They barely knew he existed during North Africa and Sicily, and his command of First US Army Group in the Calais deception leading up to Normandy was incidental to the deception’s success. They were interested first and foremost in Eisenhower and Montgomery in terms of intel gathering leading up to Overlord.
After the breakout from Normandy, German opinion was mixed. During the August breakout for example, you have Edgar Feuchtinger (CO 21st Panzer Division) reporting that Patton was making considerable progress and seemed unstoppable. But only a few weeks later from September through the rest of Autumn, Hermann Balck (Army Group G commander) was describing Patton’s advance as "hesitant" and was perplexed by Patton’s inability to exploit the successes he encountered. Even his relief of Bastogne in December wasn’t held in particularly high regard by his opposite numbers, as German forces took another month to actually be forced back to their start positions. It was only long after the war, in the 1960s-70s, that German generals that fought Patton began offering up praise instead, most notably Hermann Balck.
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I think Patton was/is held in high esteem by German vets and internet wehraboos these days because of his post-war comments. From his own side I guess his untimely death lead to misty-eyed lionisation.
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>held in high esteem by German vets
German vets thought Patton was trash. They changed their tune only when they started jockeying to get hired for NATO consulting roles and realized the job went to whomever sucked off America the hardest. Prior to this, they all felt Patton’s most hyped achievements were laughable, involving him showing up to battles that were already over or acting as a "glorified traffic cop." During the few occasions Patton faced any sort of resistance, even against bottom tier trash like at Metz (Patton faced battalions literally consisting of Chefs, Deaf Men and Men Suffering from Ulcers) he struggled mightily. The Germans felt Patton would be anywhere from solidly below average to slightly above average at best if he had fought on their side.
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Woke af. Patton and Harris the real MVPs
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is that a garden gnome larping as a nazi?
bizarre
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Patton? How so?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscari_massacre
Although I would honestly say his habit of assaulting privates for no freaking reason was pretty bad. Including that one time he drew a pistol on a hospitalised artilleryman and threatened to shoot him right there
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>B*nus Army
Cringe moochers deserved it.
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>I am a veteran and i was not paid what I was promised, I would like to be paid. The officers got paid.
>freaking leech, taste bayonet>assaulting privates for no freaking reason
Little bastards were malingering and they were taking up resources that should have gone to fighting men. Patton had just walked past dozens of WOUNDED men standing, sitting, and laying outside in the sun and then he walked into the field hospital where it was cool and saw a young man laying in a nice soft comfortable bed who didn’t appear to have a thing wrong with him. Patton questioned the doctor first, then the patient, and when the patient confirmed that he was there on account of "bad nerves," Patton slapped him.
Because he was taking up a bed that could have gone to someone outside with his guts held in with bandages or his leg or shoulder shattered.
Don’t go around saying he did things for no reason, he wasn’t a goddamned maniac. He had a DAMN good reason for every single thing he did every day all day long, and just because you don’t know it doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.
He was literally a maniac who drew a gun on a kid with malaria and threatened to murder him I cold blood. And to justify that you invent a fantasy scenario of insufficient hospital beds and dying people being overlooked as if triage wasn’t a thing. This is quite frankly pathetic.
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>assaulting privates for no freaking reason
Little bastards were malingering and they were taking up resources that should have gone to fighting men. Patton had just walked past dozens of WOUNDED men standing, sitting, and laying outside in the sun and then he walked into the field hospital where it was cool and saw a young man laying in a nice soft comfortable bed who didn’t appear to have a thing wrong with him. Patton questioned the doctor first, then the patient, and when the patient confirmed that he was there on account of "bad nerves," Patton slapped him.
Because he was taking up a bed that could have gone to someone outside with his guts held in with bandages or his leg or shoulder shattered.
Don’t go around saying he did things for no reason, he wasn’t a goddamned maniac. He had a DAMN good reason for every single thing he did every day all day long, and just because you don’t know it doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.
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They all turned out to be suffering from undiagnosed illnesses (mainly malaria).
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This. Patton was Ares incarnate.
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>he drew a pistol on a hospitalised artilleryman and threatened to shoot him right there
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He ordered it. So yes.
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From Captain (Straight Outta) Compton’s account:
"When we land against the enemy, don’t forget to hit him and hit him hard. We will bring the fight home to him. We will show him no mercy. He has killed thousands of your comrades and he must die.
If you company commanders in leading your men against the enemy find him shooting at you and, when you get within 200 yards of him and he wishes to surrender, oh no! That bastard must die!
You will kill him. Stick (bayonet) him between third and fourth ribs. You will tell your men that. They must have the killer instinct. Tell them to stick him. He can do no good then. Stick them in the liver.
We will get the name of killers and killers are immortal. When word reaches him that he is being faced by a killer battalion, a killer outfit, he will fight less. Particularly, we must build up that name as killers and you will get that down to your troops in time for the invasion."
-General George S. Patton
At minimum, this would be considered a blustering and tactless motivational speech, at worst, it can be considered an incitement to murder. Although even at its worst, I still wouldn’t put Patton’s conduct in the same league as Keital, Halder, or von Reichenau since it was neither an explicit instruction or part of a larger endemic pattern of behavior in the United States Army.
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I’m not sure an over-the-top motivational speech like that can be described as actual orders, legal or otherwise. In fact, I’d be embarrassed if I was a military lawyer trying to make a case that this speech constituted "ordering the Biscari Massacre." As a matter of law it’s just not the case, which is why no one at the time even considered trying to make that argument. Patton had his share of flaws, but "ordered the Biscari Massacre" isn’t one of those flaws.
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>I’m not sure an over-the-top motivational speech like that can be described as actual orders, legal or otherwise. In fact, I’d be embarrassed if I was a military lawyer trying to make a case that this speech constituted "ordering the Biscari Massacre." As a matter of law it’s just not the case, which is why no one at the time even considered trying to make that argument. Patton had his share of flaws, but "ordered the Biscari Massacre" isn’t one of those flaws.
That’s why I used the phrase "incitement to murder" instead of "ordering a massacre". If Patton had issued these instructions in writing to his officers and enlisted men; explicitly stated that it was a order that they were oath-bound to obey; threatened/initiated disciplinary action against anyone who questioned or refused to carry it out, and the results were part of a larger pattern of behavior, as all of which were the case with Walther von Reichenau’s Serverity Order, then we could argue that Patton had in fact, ordered a massacre.
But none of those occurred and Patton never made this mistake again so it did not become a pattern of behavior with his style of command. Thus, it seems fair to conclude that Patton had intended for his speech to be merely rhetorical and not to be taken literally, but that some had taken it literally because of his seniority.
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From Captain (Straight Outta) Compton’s account:
"When we land against the enemy, don’t forget to hit him and hit him hard. We will bring the fight home to him. We will show him no mercy. He has killed thousands of your comrades and he must die.
If you company commanders in leading your men against the enemy find him shooting at you and, when you get within 200 yards of him and he wishes to surrender, oh no! That bastard must die!
You will kill him. Stick (bayonet) him between third and fourth ribs. You will tell your men that. They must have the killer instinct. Tell them to stick him. He can do no good then. Stick them in the liver.
We will get the name of killers and killers are immortal. When word reaches him that he is being faced by a killer battalion, a killer outfit, he will fight less. Particularly, we must build up that name as killers and you will get that down to your troops in time for the invasion."
-General George S. Patton
At minimum, this would be considered a blustering and tactless motivational speech, at worst, it can be considered an incitement to murder. Although even at its worst, I still wouldn’t put Patton’s conduct in the same league as Keital, Halder, or von Reichenau since it was neither an explicit instruction or part of a larger endemic pattern of behavior in the United States Army.
>I-it was just a motivational speech
yeah, unlike those evil nazi "motivational speeches" used as evidence at Nuremberg
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>The court-martial panel found West guilty of premeditated murder, stripped him of his rank, and sentenced him to life imprisonment. He was detained in North Africa for fear that his presence in a federal penitentiary could bring unwanted publicity to him and to his crime.[22] On reviewing West’s record of trial, Eisenhower decided to "give the man a chance" after he had "served enough of his life sentence to demonstrate that he could be returned to active duty".[23] After West’s sis wrote to the Army and his local US representative, it was decided to "resolve the worrisome matter" and on the recommendation of the War Department’s Bureau of Public Relations, the Deputy Commander of Allied Headquarters in Italy signed an order remitting West’s sentence on 24 November 1944. He was restored to active duty and continued to serve during the war at the end of which he received an honorable discharge.[24]
What is even the point of having these trials.-
To tell him he’s been a naughty boy and that he’ll get in big trouble if he does it again
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>no freaking reason
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Your response is as pointless as your existence.
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cute batman 🙂
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Probably a reference to the Biscari massacre or just generally his disregard for collateral damage.
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If THAT quote is legit this is probably the only guy in the mutt military that knew what was really going on.
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which one?
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why did he wear that helmet? was he autistic?
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Eisenhower constantly saving Pattons ass is honestly one of the things that disturbs me most. Like Eisenhower hears about Patton having to be stopped physically from trying to murder one of his own men and his first thought is about saving Pattons reputation.
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That’s because Patton was so high profile and such a showboater that Patton’s reputation = the Army’s reputation. Moreover Patton was more or less punished by being removed from command of forces for the Normandy Landings in response to the Slappening and Biscari (which was frankly a far more disturbing episode since it had led to scores of deaths and Patton had initially refused to even investigate it until Bradley forced the issue).
He was an excellent general, his problem was that his temperament and impulsiveness made him unsuited to running the war from an office which is higher rank entails, hence why he was never given an operational-level command.
He was certainly nowhere never the level of incompetent of MacArthur who had overseen one of the most spectacular defeats in American history in the Philippines and only avoided being sacked because the Roosevelt Administration regarded keeping one of their experts on Asian affairs and saving face as more important.
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>All war is cruelty.
>But the crueller it is the sooner it shall be over.-
>This is why I will randomly hit my subordinates. This way I am increasing bet cruelty, shortening the war
A true visionary.-
Even a good general rule can have scrotebrained applications when it’s being applied by egomanic idiots
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why?
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Doesn’t really matter now does it?
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Presumably because the victims are still dead
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Seethe harder g*rman, he saw you for what you were.
This is after capturing Anton Dunckern, one of the highest ranking SS at the time.
>After threatening to turn him over to the French, who “know how to make people talk,” Patton told an interpreter, “If he wanted to be a good Nazi, he could have died then and there. It would have been a pleasanter death than what he will get now.”
>When Dunckern protested that he had been captured by Americans and should therefore remain in U.S. custody, Parton snapped, “When I am dealing with vipers, I do not have to be bothered by any foolish ideas….I understand German very well, but I will not demean myself by speaking such a language.”-
>“When I am dealing with vipers, I do not have to be bothered by any foolish ideas….I understand German very well, but I will not demean myself by speaking such a language.”
Holy Woke af
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tfw no patton gf
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This is cringe inducing. He sounds like a cartoon character.
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Was Patton really a good general or just overrated like Mcarthur that actually pissed off everyone that they had to take him out
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his actual military record is appallingly bad
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No it isn’t, lying scrote. He only had 1 defeat (Fort Driant) out of dozens of victories, and even that was an insignificant little skirmish, mostly intended to bloody up recruits
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>dozens of victories
you’ve never read anything about patton outside of this website have you-
This website told me he was a shitter who got his position through connections. An unremarkable general, basically unknown to the Axis.
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Name one victory
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Bastogne. Watch the documentary ‘Patton’ (1970) and educate yourself.
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He showed up to the battle 72 hours after it started and when the Germans were already on their back foot
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Yeah ok tough guy, the Victory over your mom’s stinky pussy.
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>his actual military record is appallingly bad
Okay Omar
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Hard to judge fairly when he and his colleagues outnumbered and outgunned their enemy 10 to 1 in many cases.
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Woke af
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war criminals are woke af
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It’s surprising that his diary and its controversial contents aren’t well-known given his fame.
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Only through covering up for the other generals.
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Reminder that Patton, Eisenhower and Macarthur butchered a demonstration of Great War veterans, American men and their families who had fought Germs on behalf of America and were destitute due to the government’s refusal to relieve the depression.
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>butchered a demonstration of Great War veterans
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They didn’t teach you this in high school?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army-
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
Ahahaha, USA treats their vets like shit since the freaking WWI.
What a bunch of cucks.
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The Bonus marchers
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>butchered
Sorry. Unlike Euros Americans aren’t as evil as you old worlders always whine about.
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Killing Admiral Darlan was EXTREMELY woke af. Thank you Eisenhower
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Yes
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Patton – Shell shock was an invention of the garden gnomes.
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Lightweights
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he literally won the Nobel Peace Prize
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He isn’t even the worst allied commander.
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And?
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boo hoo
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war crimes can’t be committed by the winning side. Thats why My Lai is the only American war crime
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And that’s a good thing
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truth.
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Wrong man.
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>3 days + 19 hours
>110 hours
>88 replies
>1 reply per 1 hour 15 minutesWhy isn’t this thread dead yet?
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the ligmanese democratic republic was never the same after his death
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Poetic Justice was a hilarious movie, early 90s black culture was something else.
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he was the good guy
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t.
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