How was Patton not a war criminal

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    • #69708
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    • #69709
      Anonymous
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      By now you should know winners don’t get nuremeburg’d

    • #69710
      Anonymous
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      sneed criminal

    • #69711
      Anonymous
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      >war criminal

      • #69717
        Anonymous
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        >war criminal

        • #69788
          Anonymous
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          >Yes I shot 50 communist agitators, how could you tell?

          War Criminal

          destroyer of civilizations, the judas of our time

      • #69719
        Anonymous
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        why’s an american wearing a nazi uniform

      • #69725
        Anonymous
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        can’t break laws you don’t abide by.

        • #69728
          Anonymous
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          I HATE those freaking earbuds. Literally feels like a knife digging into my head.

          • #69765
            Anonymous
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            you might have tumor. look into it.

      • #69733
        Anonymous
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        Wait a sec, I thought Nazis liked Patton?

        • #69734
          Anonymous
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          The Germans had a higher opinion of Patton than Patton’s actual allies.

          • #69736
            Anonymous
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            Well duh, they didn’t have to put up with his antics and were only seeing what the American press wanted them to see.

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        • #69768
          Anonymous
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          The Germans had a higher opinion of Patton than Patton’s actual allies.

          Post-war myth. Patton was "I don’t think about you at all"-tier to the Germans until autumn of 1944. They barely knew he existed during North Africa and Sicily, and his command of First US Army Group in the Calais deception leading up to Normandy was incidental to the deception’s success. They were interested first and foremost in Eisenhower and Montgomery in terms of intel gathering leading up to Overlord.

          After the breakout from Normandy, German opinion was mixed. During the August breakout for example, you have Edgar Feuchtinger (CO 21st Panzer Division) reporting that Patton was making considerable progress and seemed unstoppable. But only a few weeks later from September through the rest of Autumn, Hermann Balck (Army Group G commander) was describing Patton’s advance as "hesitant" and was perplexed by Patton’s inability to exploit the successes he encountered. Even his relief of Bastogne in December wasn’t held in particularly high regard by his opposite numbers, as German forces took another month to actually be forced back to their start positions. It was only long after the war, in the 1960s-70s, that German generals that fought Patton began offering up praise instead, most notably Hermann Balck.

          • #69774
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            I think Patton was/is held in high esteem by German vets and internet wehraboos these days because of his post-war comments. From his own side I guess his untimely death lead to misty-eyed lionisation.

            • #69778
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              >held in high esteem by German vets
              German vets thought Patton was trash. They changed their tune only when they started jockeying to get hired for NATO consulting roles and realized the job went to whomever sucked off America the hardest. Prior to this, they all felt Patton’s most hyped achievements were laughable, involving him showing up to battles that were already over or acting as a "glorified traffic cop." During the few occasions Patton faced any sort of resistance, even against bottom tier trash like at Metz (Patton faced battalions literally consisting of Chefs, Deaf Men and Men Suffering from Ulcers) he struggled mightily. The Germans felt Patton would be anywhere from solidly below average to slightly above average at best if he had fought on their side.

      • #69739
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        Woke af. Patton and Harris the real MVPs

      • #69764
        Anonymous
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        is that a garden gnome larping as a nazi?
        bizarre

    • #69712
      Anonymous
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      Patton? How so?

      • #69713
        Anonymous
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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscari_massacre

        Although I would honestly say his habit of assaulting privates for no freaking reason was pretty bad. Including that one time he drew a pistol on a hospitalised artilleryman and threatened to shoot him right there
        Also attacking the bonus army with tanks was pretty freaking bad, but not a war crime.

        • #69730
          Anonymous
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          >B*nus Army

          Cringe moochers deserved it.

        • #69737
          Anonymous
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          >assaulting privates for no freaking reason

          Little bastards were malingering and they were taking up resources that should have gone to fighting men. Patton had just walked past dozens of WOUNDED men standing, sitting, and laying outside in the sun and then he walked into the field hospital where it was cool and saw a young man laying in a nice soft comfortable bed who didn’t appear to have a thing wrong with him. Patton questioned the doctor first, then the patient, and when the patient confirmed that he was there on account of "bad nerves," Patton slapped him.

          Because he was taking up a bed that could have gone to someone outside with his guts held in with bandages or his leg or shoulder shattered.

          Don’t go around saying he did things for no reason, he wasn’t a goddamned maniac. He had a DAMN good reason for every single thing he did every day all day long, and just because you don’t know it doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

          • #69738
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            They all turned out to be suffering from undiagnosed illnesses (mainly malaria).

          • #69761
            Anonymous
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            This. Patton was Ares incarnate.

        • #69740
          Anonymous
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          >he drew a pistol on a hospitalised artilleryman and threatened to shoot him right there
          Sigma moment

        • #69746
          Anonymous
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          Probably a reference to the Biscari massacre or just generally his disregard for collateral damage.

          Did Patton actually have a role in the Biscari Massacre?

          • #69747
            Anonymous
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            He ordered it. So yes.

          • #69755
            Anonymous
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            He ordered it. So yes.

            From Captain (Straight Outta) Compton’s account:

            "When we land against the enemy, don’t forget to hit him and hit him hard. We will bring the fight home to him. We will show him no mercy. He has killed thousands of your comrades and he must die.

            If you company commanders in leading your men against the enemy find him shooting at you and, when you get within 200 yards of him and he wishes to surrender, oh no! That bastard must die!

            You will kill him. Stick (bayonet) him between third and fourth ribs. You will tell your men that. They must have the killer instinct. Tell them to stick him. He can do no good then. Stick them in the liver.

            We will get the name of killers and killers are immortal. When word reaches him that he is being faced by a killer battalion, a killer outfit, he will fight less. Particularly, we must build up that name as killers and you will get that down to your troops in time for the invasion."

            -General George S. Patton

            At minimum, this would be considered a blustering and tactless motivational speech, at worst, it can be considered an incitement to murder. Although even at its worst, I still wouldn’t put Patton’s conduct in the same league as Keital, Halder, or von Reichenau since it was neither an explicit instruction or part of a larger endemic pattern of behavior in the United States Army.

            • #69779
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              I’m not sure an over-the-top motivational speech like that can be described as actual orders, legal or otherwise. In fact, I’d be embarrassed if I was a military lawyer trying to make a case that this speech constituted "ordering the Biscari Massacre." As a matter of law it’s just not the case, which is why no one at the time even considered trying to make that argument. Patton had his share of flaws, but "ordered the Biscari Massacre" isn’t one of those flaws.

              • #69780
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                >I’m not sure an over-the-top motivational speech like that can be described as actual orders, legal or otherwise. In fact, I’d be embarrassed if I was a military lawyer trying to make a case that this speech constituted "ordering the Biscari Massacre." As a matter of law it’s just not the case, which is why no one at the time even considered trying to make that argument. Patton had his share of flaws, but "ordered the Biscari Massacre" isn’t one of those flaws.

                That’s why I used the phrase "incitement to murder" instead of "ordering a massacre". If Patton had issued these instructions in writing to his officers and enlisted men; explicitly stated that it was a order that they were oath-bound to obey; threatened/initiated disciplinary action against anyone who questioned or refused to carry it out, and the results were part of a larger pattern of behavior, as all of which were the case with Walther von Reichenau’s Serverity Order, then we could argue that Patton had in fact, ordered a massacre.

                But none of those occurred and Patton never made this mistake again so it did not become a pattern of behavior with his style of command. Thus, it seems fair to conclude that Patton had intended for his speech to be merely rhetorical and not to be taken literally, but that some had taken it literally because of his seniority.

        • #69770
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          >The court-martial panel found West guilty of premeditated murder, stripped him of his rank, and sentenced him to life imprisonment. He was detained in North Africa for fear that his presence in a federal penitentiary could bring unwanted publicity to him and to his crime.[22] On reviewing West’s record of trial, Eisenhower decided to "give the man a chance" after he had "served enough of his life sentence to demonstrate that he could be returned to active duty".[23] After West’s sis wrote to the Army and his local US representative, it was decided to "resolve the worrisome matter" and on the recommendation of the War Department’s Bureau of Public Relations, the Deputy Commander of Allied Headquarters in Italy signed an order remitting West’s sentence on 24 November 1944. He was restored to active duty and continued to serve during the war at the end of which he received an honorable discharge.[24]
          What is even the point of having these trials.

          • #69787
            Anonymous
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            To tell him he’s been a naughty boy and that he’ll get in big trouble if he does it again

        • #69786
          Anonymous
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          >no freaking reason

          • #69793
            Anonymous
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            Your response is as pointless as your existence.

          • #69794
            Anonymous
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            cute batman 🙂

      • #69714
        Anonymous
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        Probably a reference to the Biscari massacre or just generally his disregard for collateral damage.

    • #69715
      Anonymous
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      If THAT quote is legit this is probably the only guy in the mutt military that knew what was really going on.

      • #69808
        Anonymous
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        which one?

    • #69716
      Anonymous
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      why did he wear that helmet? was he autistic?

    • #69718
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    • #69720
      Anonymous
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      Eisenhower constantly saving Pattons ass is honestly one of the things that disturbs me most. Like Eisenhower hears about Patton having to be stopped physically from trying to murder one of his own men and his first thought is about saving Pattons reputation.

      • #69744
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        That’s because Patton was so high profile and such a showboater that Patton’s reputation = the Army’s reputation. Moreover Patton was more or less punished by being removed from command of forces for the Normandy Landings in response to the Slappening and Biscari (which was frankly a far more disturbing episode since it had led to scores of deaths and Patton had initially refused to even investigate it until Bradley forced the issue).

        Was Patton really a good general or just overrated like Mcarthur that actually pissed off everyone that they had to take him out

        He was an excellent general, his problem was that his temperament and impulsiveness made him unsuited to running the war from an office which is higher rank entails, hence why he was never given an operational-level command.

        He was certainly nowhere never the level of incompetent of MacArthur who had overseen one of the most spectacular defeats in American history in the Philippines and only avoided being sacked because the Roosevelt Administration regarded keeping one of their experts on Asian affairs and saving face as more important.

    • #69721
      Anonymous
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      >All war is cruelty.
      >But the crueller it is the sooner it shall be over.

      • #69724
        Anonymous
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        >This is why I will randomly hit my subordinates. This way I am increasing bet cruelty, shortening the war
        A true visionary.

        • #69726
          Anonymous
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          Even a good general rule can have scrotebrained applications when it’s being applied by egomanic idiots

    • #69722
      Anonymous
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      why?

    • #69723
      Anonymous
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      Doesn’t really matter now does it?

      • #69727
        Anonymous
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        Presumably because the victims are still dead

    • #69729
      Anonymous
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      Seethe harder g*rman, he saw you for what you were.

      This is after capturing Anton Dunckern, one of the highest ranking SS at the time.
      >After threatening to turn him over to the French, who “know how to make people talk,” Patton told an interpreter, “If he wanted to be a good Nazi, he could have died then and there. It would have been a pleasanter death than what he will get now.”
      >When Dunckern protested that he had been captured by Americans and should therefore remain in U.S. custody, Parton snapped, “When I am dealing with vipers, I do not have to be bothered by any foolish ideas….I understand German very well, but I will not demean myself by speaking such a language.”

      • #69742
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        >“When I am dealing with vipers, I do not have to be bothered by any foolish ideas….I understand German very well, but I will not demean myself by speaking such a language.”

        Holy Woke af

      • #69749
        Anonymous
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        tfw no patton gf

      • #69766
        Anonymous
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        This is cringe inducing. He sounds like a cartoon character.

    • #69731
      Anonymous
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      Was Patton really a good general or just overrated like Mcarthur that actually pissed off everyone that they had to take him out

      • #69750
        Anonymous
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        his actual military record is appallingly bad

        • #69753
          Anonymous
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          No it isn’t, lying scrote. He only had 1 defeat (Fort Driant) out of dozens of victories, and even that was an insignificant little skirmish, mostly intended to bloody up recruits

          • #69759
            Anonymous
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            >dozens of victories
            you’ve never read anything about patton outside of this website have you

            • #69781
              Anonymous
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              This website told me he was a shitter who got his position through connections. An unremarkable general, basically unknown to the Axis.

          • #69783
            Anonymous
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            Name one victory

            • #69798
              Anonymous
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              Bastogne. Watch the documentary ‘Patton’ (1970) and educate yourself.

              • #69800
                Anonymous
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                He showed up to the battle 72 hours after it started and when the Germans were already on their back foot

            • #69804
              Anonymous
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              Yeah ok tough guy, the Victory over your mom’s stinky pussy.

        • #69758
          Anonymous
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          >his actual military record is appallingly bad

          Okay Omar

      • #69771
        Anonymous
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        Hard to judge fairly when he and his colleagues outnumbered and outgunned their enemy 10 to 1 in many cases.

    • #69732
      Anonymous
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      Woke af

    • #69743
      Anonymous
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      war criminals are woke af

    • #69745
      Anonymous
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      It’s surprising that his diary and its controversial contents aren’t well-known given his fame.

    • #69748
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

    • #69756
      Anonymous
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      Patton – Shell shock was an invention of the garden gnomes.

    • #69760
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

    • #69763
      Anonymous
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      Lightweights

      • #69769
        Anonymous
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        he literally won the Nobel Peace Prize

    • #69767
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

    • #69773
      Anonymous
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      He isn’t even the worst allied commander.

    • #69782
      Anonymous
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      And?

    • #69784
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

    • #69785
      Anonymous
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      boo hoo
      Imagine being such a scrote you actually care about war crimes.

    • #69790
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

    • #69792
      Anonymous
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      war crimes can’t be committed by the winning side. Thats why My Lai is the only American war crime

    • #69795
      Anonymous
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      And that’s a good thing

    • #69796
      Anonymous
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      War criminal

      • #69801
        Anonymous
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        truth.

      • #69815
        Anonymous
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        Wrong man.

    • #69797
      Anonymous
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      >3 days + 19 hours
      >110 hours
      >88 replies
      >1 reply per 1 hour 15 minutes

      Why isn’t this thread dead yet?

    • #69799
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

    • #69802
      Anonymous
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      War criminal

    • #69803
      Anonymous
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    • #69806
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

      • #69810
        Anonymous
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        the ligmanese democratic republic was never the same after his death

      • #69811
        Anonymous
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        Poetic Justice was a hilarious movie, early 90s black culture was something else.

    • #69807
      Anonymous
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      War Criminal

      • #69812
        Anonymous
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        he was the good guy

        • #69813
          Anonymous
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          t.

    • #69809
      Anonymous
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      Yes

    • #69814
      Anonymous
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      scrote

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