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    • #221289
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      >one of the most iconic figures in Russian history
      >isn’t even Russian

    • #221290
      Anonymous
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      Most nations have something like this.

      • #221332
        Anonymous
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        Hitler wasn’t German, Napoleon wasn’t French. Every countries most iconic leader was from somewhere else.

        • #221335
          Anonymous
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          Most countries don’t have that, those are just exceptions

        • #221338
          Anonymous
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          napoleon was french

    • #221291
      Anonymous
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      Hitler and Napoleon and Genghis Khan were also pivotal and iconic in Russian history
      History is not only made by your countrymen

    • #221292
      Anonymous
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      >utterly crushed Georgia in 1921
      He stopped being Georgian a long time before that. He wasn’t a Russian, he wasn’t a Georgian anymore, he was one of the first true Soviet men.

      • #221294
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        1. What did Stalin have to do with the conquest of the Caucuses? As far as I knew his only real military action was at Tsaritsyn
        2. There is nothing inherently anti-Georgian about wanting to rule over Georgia, or integrate Georgia into your new empire

      • #221313
        Anonymous
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        His Georgian remained more fluent than his Russian for all his life, his favorite drink was Georgian wine and his second in command was another Georgian.

        • #221314
          Anonymous
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          His number 2 was probably Molotov or Kaganovich

        • #221315
          Anonymous
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          >His Georgian remained more fluent than his Russian
          Source?
          >His second in command
          He drove Ordzhonikidze to suicide
          Beria wasn’t even Georgian, he was Mingrelian, which was a massive difference in the Caucasian context even though Beria spoke Georgian and again
          Any time Beria tried to use their commonish origins to try and coax him, Stalin would get livid
          This is also ignoring the fact that Beria was very much on Stalin’s sights during the last months of his life
          Stalin preferring a certain kind of wine (very privately) doesn’t mean that he didn’t try to suppress his georgianess outwards

          His number 2 was probably Molotov or Kaganovich

          His number 2 changed every other morning
          Kirov was number 2 until he got shot
          After Kirov it was Kaganovich
          After the terror dropped Kaganovich to a broken shell of a man, it was Molotov
          After Molotov signed that pipeline without asking it was Beria
          After ww2 it shifted between Beria, Bulganin, Mikoyan, Molotov and very occasionally Kaganovich
          Stalin knew not to let one stay in place for too long
          One could even argue for Khrushchev though Stalin always thought he was a moron

          • #221322
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            >Beria wasn’t even Georgian, he was Mingrelian
            You sound like a coping flat-nosed Russian Negroid. Megrels are Georgian, just very arrogant and culturally unique.

            • #221323
              Anonymous
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              >Georgian, just very arrogant and culturally unique.
              ukranians are russians

              • #221327
                Anonymous
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                sis Mingrelian actually consider themselves Georgians and would be pissed if you told them the opposite.

          • #221329
            Anonymous
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            >Beria wasnt even Georgian, he was Mingrelian
            What are gou even doing on this board.

      • #221336
        Anonymous
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        He stopped writing in Georgian in his mid/late 20s. I wish I knew what regime he did to learn Russian as I am trying my best but struggling. I guess total immersion was easier in the early 20th century as everyone was outside talking.

    • #221293
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      >isn’t even Russian
      >claimed to be Russian anyway

      • #221295
        Anonymous
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        He literally never ever claimed to be Russian
        Ethnicity was immutable in Russia and the USSR, a German was always a German and a Pole was always a Pole no matter what language he speaks or religion he follows.

        • #221300
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          >He literally never ever claimed to be Russian
          Popular myths say that he did.
          Obviously, if we are being serious, then

          >utterly crushed Georgia in 1921
          He stopped being Georgian a long time before that. He wasn’t a Russian, he wasn’t a Georgian anymore, he was one of the first true Soviet men.

          is correct.

          >Ethnicity was immutable in Russia and the USSR, a German was always a German and a Pole was always a Pole no matter what language he speaks or religion he follows.
          It wasn’t. Actual (non-CIA) Soviet joke: "father is a Chukcha, mother is Mordvin, child is Russian".

          • #221301
            Anonymous
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            >Mordvin
            *Moldavian.

            • #221308
              Anonymous
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              He was talking about a finno-ugric tribe called mordva. I’ve seen a girl from there in my university in Russia.

      • #221296
        Anonymous
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        If you look like a duck and quack like a duck…
        He was a 100% Russified individual.

        • #221297
          Anonymous
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          He spoke Russian with a noticeable accent.

          • #221298
            Anonymous
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            he also didn’t drink vodka, he preferred Georgian wines

          • #221309
            Anonymous
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            Yes but he refused to speak Georgian in public or in meetings
            When Beria tried to speak Georgian to him to coax him, Stalin got furious
            Stalin did everything in his power to play down his Georgian origins

            • #221310
              Anonymous
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              The only evidence we have of him speaking Georgian in a soviet political context is his shouting match with Ordzhonikidze that preceded the Sergo’s suicide where he flung some Georgian swears

              • #221311
                Anonymous
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                Why did he try to hide his heritage?
                Are Russians racists towards Georgians?

                • #221312
                  Anonymous
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                  Nowadays? Yes, they hate each other namely because one is occupying the other
                  Back then?
                  Eh
                  Stalin was trying to larp as the great father of the USSR
                  He did it for the same reason he refused the Von Paulus Yakov exchange
                  "All the soldiers are my sons, why should I exchange the germ for Yakov in particular"
                  Same logic

                  • #221328
                    Anonymous
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                    >Nowadays? Yes, they hate each other namely because one is occupying the other
                    Where are you getting this from. Last time there has been genuine hatred was the war of 2008. Also there is always influx of Russian women so it’s hard to hate people you want to fuck.

        • #221299
          Anonymous
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          >look and quack and blahblahblah
          you dont know what russians are.

          • #221303
            Anonymous
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            They are nervous, twitchy people with whiny voices.
            And a recidivist criminal scum like Dzugashvili was the perfect man to lead them.

    • #221302
      Anonymous
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      >Napoleon, one of the most iconic figures in French history
      >isn’t even French

      >Hitler, one of the most iconic figures in German history
      >isn’t even German

      This happens surprisingly often.

      • #221316
        Anonymous
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        >Charlemagne
        >Isn’t Roman

      • #221326
        Anonymous
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        Hitler is Germanic tho

      • #221333
        Anonymous
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        Hitler wasn’t functionally Austrian in any real sense, he hated the idea of "Austria" pre war as an imperial project sharing power with a different nationality (in the Hungarians), he served in the German army over the Austrian one in the first world war, and his actions as leader clearly show that he didn’t believe "the Austrian nation" to even be a thing.

      • #221341
        Anonymous
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        >>N-NAPOLEON ISN’T FRENCH!!!!!
        Why do Italoids cope like this?

      • #221343
        Anonymous
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        Why does it keep happening?

    • #221304
      Anonymous
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      The fun is, he looks extremely Russian, at least to me.

      Definitely leaning on the white side and not that exotic.

      • #221306
        Anonymous
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        iirc in the 90’s some people speculated he might bastard son of Nikolay Przhevalsky (pic) russian geographer of polish origin
        they’re bit of akin looking
        but Kaganovich for example is a same kind of appearance too Le Mustache Guy

      • #221307
        Anonymous
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        iirc in the 90’s some people speculated he might bastard son of Nikolay Przhevalsky (pic) russian geographer of polish origin
        they’re bit of akin looking
        but Kaganovich for example is a same kind of appearance too Le Mustache Guy

        young koba is a proper georgian anyway

        • #221334
          Anonymous
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          Koba is an awesome name, what wouldn’t I give to be called like that

      • #221330
        Anonymous
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        He looks pretty caucasian to me.

    • #221305
      Anonymous
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      Correct, leaders of the USSR were gnomish

    • #221317
      Anonymous
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      >>one of the most iconic figures in French history
      >>isn’t even French

    • #221318
      Anonymous
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      >one of the most iconic figures in Spanish history
      >isn’t even Spanish

    • #221319
      Anonymous
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      >one of the most iconic figures in Egyptian history
      >isn’t even Egyptian

    • #221320
      Anonymous
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      >most decorated officer in Portuguese history
      >isn’t even European

    • #221321
      Anonymous
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      I mean, by the same token I don’t think a single English monarch since 1066 has had a single drop of English blood in them

    • #221324
      Anonymous
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      Georgians rioted when Khrushchev denounced Stalin.

      • #221331
        Anonymous
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        It was more complicated than that, but – yes. Tbilisi was the first capitol that tanks were sent to suppress uprising in 1956.

    • #221325
      Anonymous
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      Many such cases!

    • #221337
      Anonymous
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      >one of the most iconic figures in Soviet history
      >is Soviet

      Why are Americans such scrotebrains

    • #221339
      Anonymous
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      >Greatest British monarch
      >Isn’t even British

      • #221340
        Anonymous
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        nobody considers him the ‘greatest’, he’s just well known.

    • #221342
      Anonymous
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      >one of the most iconic figures in human history
      >isn’t even human

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