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Lightning is the peak port for mobile devices. It is perfect in every aspect. It is way better than USB-C.
Too bad it is so heavily patented that it is impossible to create something as good. Fuck intellectual “””property””” and fuck patents. -
>USB 2.0 speeds
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It has nothing to to with the connector itself, Lightning can be updated to support USB3 or even Thunderbolt. Apple just gave up of improving lightning and probably they’ll get rid of it in the near future.
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Haven’t they already replaced the Lightning port in the newest iPad with USB-C one?
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No, the 9th gen base iPad is still using Lightning.
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Yeah, but Pro models got it replaced.
Maybe they’ll introduce it one day as general standard.
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I just wish Lightning wasn’t proprietary. It’s the only good port Apple has ever made. ;(
That’s not because of Lightning itself.
>it’s not because of lightning, it’s because the only people who are allowed to make lightning connectors refuse to implement anything faster.
Distinction without a different. The effect is the same: lightning is permanently gimped at 2.0 speeds.-
It’s easy for Apple to produce a variant of Lightning that uses more pins and allow USB 3.0 speeds while keeping the connector size the same.
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>It’s easy for Apple to produce a variant of Lightning that uses more pins and allow USB 3.0 speeds
But they haven’t, so it’s completely irrelevant.-
Because Apple don’t give a fuck about it. We’re talking about the connector itself, adding two or four more optional pins to connector is not a huge deal and USB-A 3.0 did the exact same thing.
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Well that’s like saying "USB 3.0 is bad because it’s capped at USB 3.0 speeds… Until it isn’t."
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>Well that’s like saying "USB 3.0 is bad because it’s capped at USB 3.0 speeds… Until it isn’t."
No, it would be like saying USB 2.0 is bad because it can only transfer at USB 2.0 speeds.-
So you acknowledge how scrotebrained it is?
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No? USB 2.0 is shit by modern standards. So is lightning.
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Lighting to USB C on the iPad Pro supports USB 3
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> Distinction without a different. The effect is the same: lightning is permanently gimped at 2.0 speeds.
Old iPad pros had USB 3 on lightning
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>USB 2.0 speeds
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Can’t you read? THEY can fix the speeds IF they want and that’s not an issue of the connector itself. They can modify the pinout in a way while keeping backwards compatibility with the older revisions. It’s possible and the USB 3.0 connector works in this way.
Apple can add more data lines with dividing data lines shown in picrel(2,3,6,7 are data lines) and call it something like Lightning 2, while being compatible with Lightning 1 devices, and so on.-
oops forgot adding picrel
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>IF
>can
>USB 2.0 speeds-
Because Apple is going to kill Lightning to promote wireless shit. This does not change the fact Lightning can support USB 3.0, if Apple wants.
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Ah, so Lightning is the peak port for mobile devices if Apple wants. It could be perfect in every aspect. It is way better than USB-C if Apple wanted to.
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scrotebrain, you can make any plug whatever you want if you add pins
It’s not going to be the same connector
Cat6 is not Cat 2 is it?
Apple hasn’t done it so it doesn’t support USB 3.0-
>Apple hasn’t done it so it doesn’t support USB 3.0
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/11/12/ipad-pro-lightning-port-usb-3-0-speeds/
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This is either bait or you genuinely have some sort of mental defect.
>the cable/interface has X potential which means it’s the same as technology which is already at or above X!
Rarted.
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I just wish Lightning wasn’t proprietary. It’s the only good port Apple has ever made. ;(
That’s not because of Lightning itself.
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imagine sending data through a freaking cable in 2021
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zoomer hands typed this
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Fox & grapes
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I think OP is talking about the connector itself, which I agree with him on.
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What exactly makes it better than USB C
name 1(one) thing-
>pure male connector makes it harder to damage the female port
>exactly identical pins at both sides, usb-c is not purely double sided and computer knows what side did you plugged the usb-
but those are all downsides, anon
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>durability and perfect symmetry
>downsides
sir this is the tech board-
>durability
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>durability
You live in a fantasy world. Litterally everyone I know with an iphone has a cracked screen and broken charge cables. My buddy goes through lighting cables like an addict through a bag of crack. He has to buy a new one once a week.-
>Litterally everyone I know with an iphone has a cracked screen
How the fuck are people cracking the screens of their phones? Unless you’re a freaking scrotebrain who decides to go caseless for their slap of glass, I genuinely don’t get why cracked screens are so common. It’s especially weird with iPhones since all of their phone screens are flat so you would think they’d be harder to crack as opposed to flagship Samsung’s that are curved on the vertical edges. Never hear about Samsung phones tending to be cracked right?-
I previously use an S6 for about 5 years, screen never cracked once. Upgraded to a Moto G-Power 8gen a year and half back, no cracked screen yet. My father, mother, sister, sis in law, my closest friend, my clients who all have iphones (including phones in protective cases) ALL have cracked screen. It’s 100% apple engineering. Their shit is designed to appear high quality while in reality it’s snake oil and they cut corners in regards to electrical engineering and structural engineering, the latter being why their screens cant handle even a tiny amount shearing or twisting without cracking the screen.
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>Their shit is designed to appear high quality while in reality it’s snake oil and they cut corners in regards to electrical engineering and structural engineering, the latter being why their screens cant handle even a tiny amount shearing or twisting without cracking the screen.
Saphire Crystal my ass lol. I always knew that was marketing BS. It might make it a bit more scratch resistant but it sure is fuck doesn’t make it shatter resistant. That’s why I hate their Apple watch design till this day. It’s the most fragile smartwatch there is yet they still or bring dead enough to act like the Galaxy watch is a shit design (specifically the rotating bezel ones)
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Something changed with apple cabling in the last 5-6 years. I’ve got a few older ipad lighting cables where like you said, the cable and it’s shield is in tatters but the connector works. Nowadays all I see is broken connector with damage pads, worn out pads or sadly even carbon scoring from too much electricity passing through them.
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I thought only the cabling got worse. Mine literally disintegrated but the connector is still perfectly fine. The cabling started cracking and fell off lmao. Its probably their PVC free environment-friendly design causing this
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>He has to buy a new one once a week.
I’ve never been a fan of the lightning cable durability but even I know that’s excessive as hell. What the hell is he doing with his cords? Back when I was on team Apple I could at least make a charger cord last a couple months before it started tearing. Is he using them as floss?-
I’ve looked at this cables and it appears to always be the pins. I’m guessing tiny debris like sand or other shit gets in the phone port and then by pushing the cable into and out of the port he wears off the metal pads on the tip of the cable.
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>My buddy goes through lighting cables like an addict through a bag of crack. He has to buy a new one once a week.
tell him to stop being a scrotebrain and spend a couple dollars on any number of third party cables that aren’t any more expensive or less durable than any other type of cable
except wait you just made that shit up because you are a loser
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Naw, you’re just an idiot who for reasons beyond me shills for apple and much like jannies, you do it for free.
The friend in question works manual labor shit just get broken/lost a lot, he also spends a lot of time hiking and fishing. These things are called having an active lifestyle, something you wouldn’t know about considering you spend 24/7 in mommies basement shilling for your woke af daddy cook.
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Your buddy is a scrotebrain that buys official apple cables then.
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MY little sis and sis go through cords like crazy for their ipads, it’s very easy to damage while I can use my android cord for years with no problems
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because they are children and thats what they do. they break things. buy a good quality cable (not apple’s) and it should last forever.
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But I never broke things when I was a child?
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>you as a child
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Nah, it was mini-USB and later micro-USB for me. I had one device I used for 5+ years where the port gave out (Nexus 7 2013) but I never beat my devices so they mostly stayed in tact.
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>buy a good quality cable (not apple’s) and it should last forever.
Spoken like a naive zoomer.
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>anecdotal evidence
I have been using the same lightning cable for years too.
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easy to clean out
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its literally an inverted port of a usb type c. if it was actually better then why would they "downgrade" to usb c despite the euro law. would have made more sense to allow other companies to use it no?
you telling apple purposely downgraded their stuff just so they didnt have to share it with others?-
Lightning was ahead of its time, at the time when it was released, all Android smartphones were using crappy micro USB connections.
Nowadays, Apple is slowly killing the Lightning port. Almost all iPads are using USB-C and Apple is not improving Lightning anymore. They’re probably ditch the ports from the next iPhone completely.
Also, USB 2.0 speeds benefits Apple. You’re forced to use AirDrop if you’re willing to get faster file transfer speeds, and AirDrop is exclusive to Apple products. Thus, Apple is forcing you to get a Mac.-
Seems like Apple would gain goodwill to open source the lighting port and make ot standard.
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Apple already has a cult like following, who will keep buying even if apple starts murdering babies for fun. It has no need for goodwill.
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magnet /wireless incoming
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USB 2.0 is the peak port for serial bus. It is perfect in every aspect. It is way better than Micro USB.
Too bad it is so heavily patented that it is impossible to create something as good. Fuck intellectual """property""" and fuck patents.-
>snaps when lightly touched
I never want to see another USB-A connector ever again.
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For the batteries health its absolutely perfect. For the consumers time management its kinda dumb, this is coming from a pro max 13 user with a 30w brick that draws a max of 27w to the phone. I still rather it because its the least stressful option for your battery.
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>heavily patented
He doesnt know Apple is part of the USB-IF and donates their patents to them to use for free -
>Pins in the port rather than the cable
>Microchip to enable reversible connection (you can install Linux on it lol) -
I bet none of you goobers have even owned an iPhone in your entire life else you would have been absolutely relieved when they finally put wireless charging on iPhones.
Piece of shit connector lasted 1-2 years tops and then the piece of shit would require you bend the cable to one side just to slow charge.
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Even Apple wants to move away from the Lightning port.
They just don’t want to be blamed by consumers so they had the EU do it for them (so Apple sheep will blame the EU while still gobbling Apple feces) -
the actual port and connector are better than Type C, it’s a more secure feeling rigid connection with no slop even after years of daily insertions, Type C connections always end up feeling loose and gross. Lightning sucks for data transfer though, it’s just not up to modern standards there, it’s also annoying to need two sets of cables around
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As an iPhone user, I really don’t think lightning is all that bad
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It’s inferior to usbc and almost every way though…. For reasons people have already covered in the thread. Is lightning is so good then why is Apple moving more and more of a products to usbc? All of their recent macbooks, imax, and pro model iPads have it so I don’t see why people are so against the iPhone having it. That would help literally everyone in the long run
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they also have to balance the needs of their existing userbase who are already invested in lightning adaptors, chargers and what not. Where as their PC products had already used usb so it was natural to switch over the macs and ipads which are seen as "computers" to normies first, they’ll get around to making the iphones usbc in the next update or 2 and then everyone can shit on them because their accessories don’t work again. It’s almost like they’ll be criticised either way.
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>It’s inferior to usbc and almost every way though…. For reasons people have already covered in the thread.
But people are talking about different things.
The *connector* is obviously superior: stronger as it is a solid piece of metal rather than hollow, smaller in size and perfectly symmetric.
The *protocol* (usb2.0 plus some tweaks) is inferior to usb 3.0 and above.Obviously the best solution would be a thunderbolt protocol on a backwards compatible lightning connector.
But I don’t see it happening.-
>Physical lightning connector is stronger
Debatable, but that you missed the part where I said "in almost every way"? The only edge I think lightning has is the durability. That’s literally it
>The *protocol* (usb2.0 plus some tweaks) is inferior to usb 3.0 and above.>Obviously the best solution would be a thunderbolt protocol on a backwards compatible lightning connector.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda, but they didn’t, so as of right now, lightning is still shit compared to USBC. We aren’t talking about what it COULD or SHOULD be able to do. We’re talking about its current capabilities, which is objectively, inferior to C. Apple has years and years to improve and "perfect" lightning but hasn’t. They don’t even seem to want to hold on to lightning themselves since they’ve been switching their higher-end devices to type c. And with that EU law that was recently passed, they’re gonna HAVE to release a type-c iPhone sooner or later.
>"But but portless–”
No. Shut the fuck up. They’re not going to do that. That will inconvenience all of their customers even more than switching to USB c will. The portless iPhone concept is the most scrotebrained shit The tech community has ever come up with. Most of them only like it because some popular YouTubers mentioned it a couple times and because they think it looks pretty or some shit. Why would you WANT to be restricted to slower charge speeds and slower data transfer speeds will also having to carry a giant freaking puck in your bag as opposed to a normal cable? They probably wouldn’t want to include that giant thing in the box either.
>" Who needs chords? I only need wireless charging"
Congratulations. Cool. YOU do that shit but don’t suggest that everyone should be forced to not be able to use normal freaking cables
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>chords
*Cords
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>no but much speeds
>wah it’s apple
Typical. G can’t setup a file server.
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