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>Jesus was God
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John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my siss and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”>Jesus is uncreated
Debunked
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.>Jesus was an only child and Mary was an eternal virgin
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Mark 6:3
This is the carpenter, the son of Mary and the sis of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon, is it not? And his sisters are here with us, are they not?” -
Bible was corrupted
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I swear muzzies and fedoras LOVE getting their ass whooped.
There’s no trinity in the Bible
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201308/trinity/
NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T JUST freaking NOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The truth will set you free
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no, of course the quran hasn’t been changed
the bible isn’t the word of god, jesus is-
The Bible is God’s word because it came from him
Jesus is called the Word because he acted as God’s spokesman
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Christcuckcopekek destryoed !!!1!>The Trinity is fairly clearly implied in the Bible.
It is an attempt to read into the Bible what clergymen of later times arbitrarily decided should be doctrine.
Ask yourself: Why would the Bible only “imply” its most important teaching—who God is? The Bible is clear on other basic teachings; why not on this, the most important one? Would not the Creator of the universe author a book that was clear on his being a Trinity if that were the case?
The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching. Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others. And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word. It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later.
When we examine texts offered by Trinitarians as evidence that the Bible “implies” a Trinity, what do we find? An honest appraisal reveals that the scriptures offered do not speak of Christendom’s Trinity. Instead, theologians try to force into the scriptures their preconceived ideas of a Trinity. But those ideas are not in the scripture texts. In fact, those Trinitarian ideas conflict with the clear testimony of the Bible as a whole
>Church Fathers
Why would you trust Greek philosophers that arrived 400 years after Jesus’ death ?
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>The Bible is God’s word because it came from him
This is wrong. God’s word comes from prophets, not books. If the words of prophets are found in books, this does not mean those books are God’s words, as fallible men handled those books and put their own opinions in their concerning the prophets, who people always differed over after their souls left the earth. Such is the case of the garden gnomes with Moses, and Christians with Jesus, peace be upon them forever.-
>“All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.”—2 TIMOTHY 3:16, 17.
Bible writers acknowledged that they wrote in the name of Jehovah, the one true God, and that they were guided by him. Prophets who wrote the Hebrew Scriptures proclaimed more than 300 times: “This is what Jehovah has said.” (Amos 1:3; Micah 2:3; Nahum 1:12) Other writers received God’s message through angels.—Zechariah 1:7, 9.
>The Bible is God’s word because it came from him
How you know?See:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/Good-News-From-God-Video-Series/video-bible-true/
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>tells him fallible men compiled and were overseers of the books
>quotes book to show it wasnt by fallible men
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What does Luke 1:37 say ?
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I agree, but again, if people say they wrote in the name of God, yet they lie about the prophets (with them writing that Lot is the father of a bastard race and that Abraham and Solomon were idolators and that Noah was an alcoholic and that Jesus is the son of god), it shows that something isn’t adding up here. It shows that the garden gnomes corrupted the scripture and then claimed it was from Allah.
>"So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." (2:79)
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garden gnomes AND christcucks
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>The Bible is God’s word because it came from him
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>The Bible is clear on other basic teachings
About God’s identity? Rarely. OT allows you to piece back God’s identity in a 10,000 piece puzzle of "and you will know my name is YHWH".
>Would not the Creator of the universe author a book that was clear
Flashback to fedoras complaining that Genesis can be read literally lol
>Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear
It was clear to most Christians since every other reading is inconsistent.
>Why would you trust Greek philosophers that arrived 400 years after Jesus’ death ?
You surely must be aware that the Bible itself was composed 400 years after Jesus’ death… in large part by Greek philosophers… yes?Your case rests entirely on a concept being too deep in the scripture to be true. Despite the fact the scripture itself asks you to dive deep to find divine concepts. Eh… beats grasping at monogenés to prove a point.
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>You surely must be aware that the Bible itself was composed 400 years after Jesus’ death… in large part by Greek philosophers… yes?
the process of the recognition and collection began in the first centuries of the Christian church. Very early on, some of the New Testament books were being recognized.
Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7).
Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16). Some of the books of the New Testament were being circulated among the churches (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27).
Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115).
Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235).
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>There’s no trinity in the Bible
The Trinity is fairly clearly implied in the Bible.
What there absolutely is not in the Bible, the Church Fathers or any early theologians either, is the conflation of Christ and an archangel. Yet you still posted a JW link.>no
>nuh uh
>wut?
>[scrotespeak]
truly the religion of scrotes and slavesChristcuckcopekek destryoed !!!1!
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>implying
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debunked ¿how? have you ever heard about the qumran texts and the codex sinaiticus?
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>debunked ¿how?
>The Bible is clear on other basic teachings
About God’s identity? Rarely. OT allows you to piece back God’s identity in a 10,000 piece puzzle of "and you will know my name is YHWH".
>Would not the Creator of the universe author a book that was clear
Flashback to fedoras complaining that Genesis can be read literally lol
>Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear
It was clear to most Christians since every other reading is inconsistent.
>Why would you trust Greek philosophers that arrived 400 years after Jesus’ death ?
You surely must be aware that the Bible itself was composed 400 years after Jesus’ death… in large part by Greek philosophers… yes?Your case rests entirely on a concept being too deep in the scripture to be true. Despite the fact the scripture itself asks you to dive deep to find divine concepts. Eh… beats grasping at monogenés to prove a point.
>About God’s identity? Rarely. OT allows you to piece back God’s identity in a 10,000 piece puzzle of "and you will know my name is YHWH".
we can discern God’s personality from the things he has made. For instance, the variety of fruits and flowers tells us of his love and wisdom. The size of the universe tells us of his power.—Read Romans 1:20.
We can learn even more about God’s personality by reading the Bible. For example, it tells us what God likes and what he does not like, how he treats people, and how he reacts in different situations.—Read Psalm 103:7-10.
>Flashback to fedoras complaining that Genesis can be read literally lol
Most of it can be
>It was clear to most Christians since every other reading is inconsistent.
note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”
In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:
>“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.
>“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.
>“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.
>“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.
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>we can discern God’s personality from the things he has made
>For instance, the variety of fruits and flowers
Okay go look at fruit, I’ll try to read the Bible.
>what God likes
This is you present as a ‘clear’ teaching of God’s identity?
>The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies
Just like the Bible. I’m giving you a second chance to ignore this fact.
>the process of the recognition and collection began in the first centuries of the Christian church
I know. And it concluded with Greek philosophers finishing the Bible as you know it. You implied we shouldn’t trust those philosophers. That is inconsistent.
Just like non-trinitarian readings.-
>Okay go look at fruit, I’ll try to read the Bible.
Sure !
>This is you present as a ‘clear’ teaching of God’s identity?
Yes !
>Just like the Bible. I’m giving you a second chance to ignore this fact.
Nope !
>I know. And it concluded with Greek philosophers finishing the Bible as you know it.
Nope, the canon was made way before !
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>>This is you present as a ‘clear’ teaching of God’s identity?
>Yes !
So… piecing identity from likes and dislikes is clear, but piecing identity from a person standing right there in front of you is too much?
>Nope, the canon was made way before !
Some of it was, some of it wasn’t. I’m giving you a third chance to ignore the fact that the Bible you claim to read is HEAVILY influenced by the people you claim to not trust.>the Bible became corrupted because the garden gnomes sold their religions
And yet the scripts we find from 2000 years ago match contemporary Bibles with 99% accuracy? Are you claiming Quran offers 100% and is actually not just a dumbed down Bible? How?-
>So… piecing identity from likes and dislikes is clear, but piecing identity from a person standing right there in front of you is too much?
Think of someone you know well, such as a close friend. How did that friendship develop? Likely you got to know that person’s name, personality, likes and dislikes, as well as what he or she has done and plans to do, and more. This is what drew you to that person—you learned about him or her.
Knowing God better can add purpose and meaning to your life. (Acts 17:26-28) The closer you draw to God, the more he will love and help you. (James 4:8) Ultimately, having accurate knowledge of God can lead to unending life.—John 17:3.
>Some of it was, some of it wasn’t. I’m giving you a third chance to ignore the fact that the Bible you claim to read is HEAVILY influenced by the people you claim to not trust.
The writing of the Christian Greek Scriptures was completed during the time that the gifts of the spirit were operative on Christ’s followers. (Joh 14:26; Re 1:1) Some Christians had the gift of “discernment of inspired expressions.” (1Co 12:10)
Thus, they could, without referring the matter to a supposed church council, determine which of the letters the congregation received were inspired of God.
With the death of John, the last apostle, this reliable chain of divinely inspired men came to an end. Therefore, with the book of Revelation, John’s Gospel, and his three letters, the Bible canon was closed.
The testimony of later, noninspired writers is valuable only as an acknowledgment of the Bible canon, which God’s spirit had guided and authorized.
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>Likely you got to know that person’s name, personality, likes and dislikes, as well as what he or she has done and plans to do, and more.
Yes. Most of this from seeing them in front of me. Affirming that learning God’s identity from seeing it before you is a clearer way than you trying to piece it back from commandments. QED
>The writing of the Christian Greek Scriptures was completed during the time that the gifts of the spirit were operative on Christ’s followers. (Joh 14:26; Re 1:1)
Neither John 14:26 nor Revelations 1:1 claim this. Furthermore, the writing of Judas’ gospel was finished fairly early on as well, but the editorial choice to not include it in the Scripture… was made by people you claim not to trust. Inconsistency on your part.
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>And yet the scripts we find from 2000 years ago match contemporary Bibles with 99% accuracy?
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He’s right
Not only do I believe that God is capable of preserving his Word from corruption for all eternity, the facts also agree with this, since a comparison of all the ancient manuscripts show that the Bible has been faithfully passed down from generation to generation for centuries
When you have the time, please read this article !
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no4-2016-july/original-bible-text/
You have all the facts in hands, now it’s your choice as to whether you want to believe and rrust in God or not
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>whether you want to believe and rrust in God or not.
I have already believed and trusted in God, who has promised to preserve the Qur’an (His direct word and testimony), and has made no promises to keep the garden gnomes from corrupting their books (because keep in mind the torah was for the garden gnomes while the quran is for mankind). You are believing in promises Allah has never made to you, as He has only promised to preserve the Qur’an.
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>https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2020-sep-oct/has-gods-written-word-been-changed/
So, your debunking is a part of the bible and then they just proceed to ignore the other differences.-
When the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947, scholars could at last compare the Hebrew Masoretic text to what appeared in Bible scrolls that had been written more than a thousand years earlier. A member of the editorial team of the Dead Sea Scrolls concluded that one scroll “provides irrefutable proof that the transmission of the biblical text through a period of more than one thousand years by the hands of gnomish copyists has been extremely faithful and careful.”
The Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, Ireland, features a collection of papyri that represents nearly every book of the Christian Greek Scriptures, including manuscripts dating from the second century C.E.—only about 100 years after the Bible was completed. “Although the Papyri supply a wealth of new information on textual detail,” The Anchor Bible Dictionary observes, “they also demonstrate remarkable stability in the transmission history of the biblical text.”
Rather than corrupting the Bible text, the age and multitude of Bible manuscripts have actually improved it. “No other ancient book has anything like such early and plentiful testimony to its text,” wrote Sir Frederic Kenyon about the Christian Greek Scriptures, “and no unbiased scholar would deny that the text that has come down to us is substantially sound.” And regarding the Hebrew Scriptures, scholar William Henry Green stated: “It may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted.”
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that just proves the torah as correct. Not the jw bible
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What about it isn’t correct ?
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everything
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I disagree
>Yes. Most of this from seeing them in front of me. Affirming that learning God’s identity from seeing it before you is a clearer way than you trying to piece it back from commandments. QED
I have no idea what you’re talking about
>Neither John 14:26 nor Revelations 1:1 claim this. Furthermore, the writing of Judas’ gospel was finished fairly early on as well, but the editorial choice to not include it in the Scripture… was made by people you claim not to trust. Inconsistency on your part.
The first mention of the existence of a work called the “Gospel of Judas” is found in the writings of Irenaeus, a professed Christian author of the late second century C.E. In a work called Against Heresies, which is after Revelation was written
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>I have no idea what you’re talking about
You claimed that understanding God’s identity from Jesus as a person of Trinity is less clear than understanding God’s identity from likes and dislikes.
The example you provided proves you wrong. You learn an identity by interacting 1:1, not by reading about a set of likes and dislikes.>The first mention of the existence of a work called the “Gospel of Judas” is found in the writings of Irenaeus, a professed Christian author of the late second century C.E. In a work called Against Heresies, which is after Revelation was written
Yes. Second century C.E. is when the Scripture was being editorially formed. They could have included the Gospel of Judas and you trusted their choice to not do so.
You at once claim to trust them and distrust them. That is inconsistent.
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Convenient how your entire viewpoint is woke af on scrotebrained late XIXth century prottie retranslations of the Bible that were met with controversies in actual serious theologian circles
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Woke af. But maybe next time instead of just saying "debunked" and posting a jw.org link provide a brief explanation first along with Bible verses to back up your claims and add a jw link at the end so that people who actually want to learn more can read it.
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>That Father is God debunks that Jesus is God
Not how Trinity works.
>"Monogenés" is a temporal statement of events
Not how Trinity works.
>Jesus was an only child
…what?I swear muzzies and fedoras LOVE getting their ass whooped.
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>no
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Mary never lost her virginity so yeah Jesus is an only child. At least ignoring like adoption but i dont think i’ve read about adopted siblings of Jesus before.
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NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T JUST freaking NOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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What’s the key for?
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my chastity cage
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Good.
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lara can you draw taft eating apple pie
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>"So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." (2:79)
Both gnomish and Christian copyists preserved accounts that expose the serious mistakes made by God’s people. (Numbers 20:12; 2 Samuel 11:2-4; Galatians 2:11-14) Likewise, they preserved passages that condemn the gnomish nation’s disobedience and that expose man-made doctrines. (Hosea 4:2; Malachi 2:8, 9; Matthew 23:8, 9; 1 John 5:21) By copying these accounts accurately, the copyists showed their trustworthiness and their high regard for God’s sacred Word.
Is it not reasonable that God, having inspired the Bible in the first place, would also preserve its accuracy? (Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 1:24, 25) After all, he intended it to benefit not only people of long ago but also us today. (1 Corinthians 10:11) In fact, “all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.”—Romans 15:4.
Jesus and his followers quoted from copies of the Hebrew Scriptures without expressing any concern about the accuracy of those ancient texts.—Luke 4:16-21; Acts 17:1-3
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I see where you are coming from, but this isn’t convincing. Saying that they didn’t lie about the prophets because they didn’t lie about themselves is a fallacy. Who says these two are contingent? Can they not be truthful about their own disobedience while lying about the prophets, and saying all these disgusting things about them? Think for a moment; the prophets are the only light we have out of the darkness of this earth. They are the ones we entrust our souls to, and whose word we lay down our lives for. This means that prophets have to be honest and infallible meaning they cannot commit sins. If they committed sins there would be no differing them between false prophets, who cannot obey God even if it kills them. Can darkness come from light, sis? Or can light come from darkness? Embrace the Qur’an.
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What does Isaiah 4:8 say ?
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? why do you keep quoting me a book i think is corrupted? genuinely would like to know
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Because since nothing is impossible for God the almighty, that means he is capable of preserving his word from corruption.
And that’s what the physical evidence shows.
At this point, so many manuscripts have been discovered that it is easier than ever before to detect errors.
For example, over 5,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament (Christian Greek Scriptures), have been discovered
It really saddens me that some people pass the opportunity to read such a wonderful book from our creator because of unfounded prejudice
I pray you give the Word of God a chance and that you may read it when you have the time !
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Jesus and his followers quoted from copies of the Hebrew Scriptures without expressing any concern about the accuracy of those ancient texts.—Luke 4:16-21; Acts 17:1-3.
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The character of Jesus in that of the Gospels is another forgery. A forgery quoting forgery means nothing.
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>Embrace the Qur’an.
Literally why? It’s so obviously a dumbed down version of the Bible with no answer as to why Bible was corrupted but Quran wasn’t.-
the Bible became corrupted because the garden gnomes sold their religions for a small price (9:9) and they threw it behind their backs and acted like they did not know it (2:101) as they killed prophets (2:91) and worshipped shaytan and their rabbis (9:31). None of these things Christians deny but they still believe in the gnomish Bible because they have woke af their own innovations on it, so the corrupted book has become their rock which they will not abandon for the direct word of Allah, which is the Qur’an Al-Kareem.
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The word for firstborn is prōtótokos which means pre-eminent in greek. and in the rest of that passage it says that everything that exists was created through him. which would not make sense if you’re saying that christ was created because everything created was created through him.
"For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him"
as for the siss of jesus, your close cousins in hebrew culture were considered your siss and sisters. Mary had a sister who was also named mary who married clopas
Mary the wife of Clopas is mentioned by St. Matthew Matthew 27:56 as the mother of James the less and Joses. Jude describes himself(Jude 1:5 as the sis of James; and Simon, or Symeon, is mentioned in Eusebius as the son of Clopas
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