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Is Wikipedia’s FAQ on race and intelligence accurate?
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not science
not math
simple as[…]
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No, it’s an example of Lewontin’s fallacy.
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Yes and any sort of disagreement is a /poo/scum cope.
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Look at all the weasel words
>>No evidence for RECENT natural selection
No shit.
>Race is not a MEANINGFUL way to categorize humans
No shit. It’s a USEFUL way. You know, like in prescribing medication uniquely to Africans. Or how Asians are allergic to beer and get flushed faces. Or how blacks need hair specialists for their uniquely dense hair.
>Cognitive differences between ancient groups unlikely to exist
Source: dude just trust me. So evolutionary pressures on geographically distinct populations for tens of thousands of years has absolutely no impact on cognition. Yet, somehow humans evolved cognition and chimps didn’t.
>Iq differences are environmental in origin
No shit. Nobody disputes this. It’s that they’re environmental AND genetic.
>Scientifically obsolete
Doesnt exist in science. Either your model is falsified or its still accurate. It’s not been falsified.-
Its almost as if they had a garden gnome write it
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This, it’s pure pilpul
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Such a relief knowing that at least some other people are capable of identifying bullshit like this. Couldnt have said it better myself
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Isn’t it lovely how the English language can let you lie through your teeth while not even being technically wrong?
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Any language can do that. Meaning is only alluded to.
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It’s become somewhat of a hobby of mine to search for and identify all the ways they weasel in their little bullshit.
It’s actually sort of impressive to me how effortlessly they add all that bullshit in such subtle and graceful ways, and sometimes you really gotta give them credit for how clever and creative they can be.
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reminder they have to know the truth in order to obfuscate from it this hard
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The suppression of information that goes against a government-backed narrative either by mitting/ignoring it or calling it fraudulent/wrong despite no proof is typical of totalitarian
societies.The west is a totalitarian society.
Rather than criticially analyzing and discussing the consequences of such analyses ‘why do black people perform worse at IQ tests?’ ‘what does IQ mean in the first place’ etc., the west simply denies the results and punishes those who have published and researched it. Simultaneously, this might be understood as a silent acknowledgment of the results. The West’s questionable handling of politically insensitive information is one of the major reasons for the rise of the alt-right and the concept of human biodiversity. -
>A statement signed by 143 senior human population geneticists
Yeah well a Nobel laureate disagrees with all of them, so they’re wrong-
but he’s a racist, so he doesn’t count.
only opinions of non-racists count-
holy trips of truth.
its time to burn the poltards at the stake
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When will the freaking "consensus" meme die? It doesn’t matter how many academics agree on something if the data says the opposite.
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It’s important to know the effectiveness of political propaganda programs within academia.
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yes
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The redpill is that intelligence is phenomenally difficult to study to begin with and that this sort of thing is nearly impossible to prove either way. You might be able to make some elementary conclusions about brain size and frontal lobe activity but much in the same way that our ancient ancestors could only have differentiated between material in the sky by how bright it shone.
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we have meta analysis of twin studies
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I really dont understand this approach.
Its not appealing to leftists, who already believe that everyone is equal, diversity is our strength etc etc
And to anyone else, its such an obvious propaganda push that they would realize the exact opposite of this indoctrination is true.
So really, this only serves to further entrench the correct belief that race and intelligence are correlated.
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Ok, so suppose that the correlation between race and iq was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. What happens next? What’s step 2?
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>What’s step 2?
Demonstrating the correlation between low IQ and negative life outcomes blamed on "racism" (protip: this, too, has been done). Now you guess what step 3 is.-
Abolish affirmative action?
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No, but that’s good for a step 2.1.
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Abolishment of all racial preference programs, ideally restriction of immigration of low IQ populations.
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Making racial discrimination legal again
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We resurrect hitler ofc
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We institute an extreme Eugenics program on Africa. Through this we can slowly eliminate their bottom 2% in intelligence every generation, just enough to eliminate every African 2 sd below their mean. Then, over the generations they’ll slowly catch up, hopefully, then we’ll be able to put all this race shit behind us, both sides.
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I mean the bottom 5%
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The crumbling of the globomerican empire
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every point in there is made up bullshit.
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>cites prominent scientists and scientific organizations
>made up bullshit
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Because there are no prominent scientists who believe in that, just political organizations. Why should political organization opinions be valid?
For example, all scientists in the genetic sciences are "racists". All behavioral genetics are. Antiracists are so freaking stupid that we even have word games where we can say the most genetic determinists thing on race and these scrotes (like all leftists) will not even notice because they are unable to understand what we say.
All antiracists need to be imprison, and I think its time that LULZ realize thats not a political belief, its a scientific belief that anti racists are a danger to society.
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1. What explains IQ differences between these groups if it isn’t genetics?
2. They also say male and female is not a biologically meaningful way to classify people. Their categories can be safely ignored on categorical grounds.
3. Agreement isn’t truth. Consensus isn’t truth.
4. Psychologists can’t do stats and have failed to do any proper study. Much like when these scrotebrains talk about policing. Cherry picking is the goto.
5. Opinions do not matter.-
1. Lack of education/language school, bad housing with neurotoxins like lead and asbestos (look at Detroit housing maps for example), lack of nourishment (there’s some research relating intelligence to Omega 3 and fish food in Japanese populations for example). Over the past century the difference between black and white populations in the US decreased to a degree that cannot be explained with genetics (I believe that’s what this RECENT natural selection is about)and instead correlates with life improvements of blacks
2. Where do they say that?
3. Truth doesn’t exist in science, anon. Prominent theories are reflected by their general acceptance within the scientific community (which of course only works the way it should as long as the scientists adhere to scientific principles).
4.wut
5. Again, see point 3. Though "most researchers" is likely wrong here, and isn’t specified.Note that OP’s pic is about the question "Is there really a SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS that there is no evidence…", not about the evidence itself. So the points should answer by citing said consensus.
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>. Lack of education/language school,
IQ gap between blacks and whites appears in children of pre-school age. Also we have data from Britain showing the IQ difference among various Asian children attending the same school>bad housing with neurotoxins like lead and asbestos (look at Detroit housing maps for example),
Black children born in 2010 have aboutt he same amount of lead in their blood as white children born around 2000. And there is no racial difference by adulthood> lack of nourishment
No.
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/07/race-intelligence-and-nutrition/>Over the past century the difference between black and white populations in the US decreased to a degree that cannot be explained with genetics
What difference exactly has decreased? Certainly not IQ and some actually increased.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/todays-racial-wealth-gap-is-wider-than-in-the-1960s-
>IQ gap between blacks and whites appears in children of pre-school age. Also we have data from Britain showing the IQ difference among various Asian children attending the same school
The fact that differences already appear
in preschool does not mean that education/school does not further influence the difference. It just means that there are influences prior. It may surprise you but a trait like intelligence can have multiple influence factors, such as…
>Black children born in 2010 have aboutt he same amount of lead in their blood as white children born around 2000. And there is no racial difference by adulthood
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969716302297?casa_token=rVfw4f1wrjAAAAAA:puO8JMNfy5PYPDhRNmleK4FM89fKFmg2_FdL1wRr4z69KVWXjOGG5eU6YHJKwBrfbNq7VEy9hxuA
>No. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/07/race-intelligence-and-nutrition/
Interesting link, thanks for that one.>What difference exactly has decreased? Certainly not IQ and some actually increased. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/todays-racial-wealth-gap-is-wider-than-in-the-1960s
>search "intelligence" or "IQ"
>no results
also
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016028960600078X?casa_token=06dijww8yDUAAAAA:M0GGdLmcbF3ZUzp8JOm8LXLBjgzvrm9Unal-iIox_6l37ifMAR6W69cZLJzLCMFuWz5yORG304vI
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289607000190?via%3Dihub
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289607000190?-
disregard the last link, it’s a copypaste error
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>The fact that differences already appear
>in preschool does not mean that education/school does not further influence the difference. It just means that there are influences prior.
I should have mentioned that the gap among children in that age is almost full SD which is the same as in adult population.
So there is not much space for anything really to influence the racial IQ gap
https://humanvarieties.org/2013/05/26/the-onset-and-development-of-b-w-ability-differences-early-infancy-to-age-3-part-1/>>search "intelligence" or "IQ"
>no results
Yeah this link was just to show that wealth gap increased. For stability of IQ gap, pretty good article I recently read was this: https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2021/07/06/critiquing-charles-murray-on-changing-iq-gaps/-
>https://humanvarieties.org/2013/05/26/the-onset-and-development-of-b-w-ability-differences-early-infancy-to-age-3-part-1/
Interesting. Pre-preschool influences can still be non-genetical, like prenatal neurotoxins. Though if the results in the article can be properly replicated it would strongly speak against education influences.>https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2021/07/06/critiquing-charles-murray-on-changing-iq-gaps/
Haven’t read the book cited though it sounds like shit, especially that part with the data change, wow. Still, previous research, including authors other than Murray, find a decrease trend. The article itself cites the Flynn study for example.
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Why are you lying?
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It’s not lying if you’re saying what you wish was true.
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1. Literally all have been controlled for an are determined to not be the effect
2. Self evident
3. So it is meaningless babble and yet you are trying to argue for it?
4. It is a constructed lie
5. not surprised you believe fee fees are important for science, they aren’t.-
>not surprised you believe fee fees are important for science, they aren’t.
literally what? Do you have a reading comprehension disorder?
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>appeal to authority
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I live near blacks and I can guarantee you that race is an important category and those people are mentally and physically different than we are. You can cope all you want, but it’s obvious to anyone who interacts with them that blacks are less intelligent than whites. They keep expecting equal results given equal or even slightly favoring blacks, but that’s never going to happen and is an impossible totalitarian demand. They have to actively cripple whites for that to be true.
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>those people are mentally and physically different than we are
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I used to look at pictures like this and think, "wow, racism is horrible".
Now I see this and think
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>Hundreds of thousands of black people hack each other to pieces with any piece of metal they can find
HOW COULD WHITE PEOPLE FAIL TO INTERVENE?? LOOK AT WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DID TO THESE INNOCENT BLACK AFRICANS.
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Tell me about some experiences that made you come to this conclusion anon?
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woke af and truthpilled
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It’s not. Only 15% of psychologists believe that B-W IQ gap is purely environmental.
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Post link OP, I want to know who these shitlib troglodytes think "leading psychologists" are.
My bet is it will be that Vox hitpiece by Turkheimer et al. -
>muh environmental origin
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imagine not believing your own eyes. I love how most of you are NPCs. You idiots keep me so fucken rich.
Yes, NPC, all races are equal…. LOL.
Here’s the spoiler, if white people aren’t better than why did white people CRUSH the planet? Where is the 1st world country run by black people? Where is technology equivalent to the net that we use every day created by something in Africa?
You can answer none of these, but you will struggle and cope. Good. Now go make me more money by posting on facebook and twitter.
Anyone else benefit from the stupidity of NPCs? Who else here to laugh at them? lol i love it
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It’s because of things like this that we will never see any real scientific progress in our lifetimes. Inconvenient truths are censored and sociologists try to rewrite history to support their made up bullshit
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No the system can work even despite this. Because despite all the ridiculous taboos, people still recognize people are not equal. They actually do test intelligence in interviews for tech companies, they judge woke af on how well the person can speak, they also judge in interviews wether you are a good "team-player". Meaning they judge agreeableness, Conscientiousness.
It’s just one big clown world with all the apes in cognitive dissonance.
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