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Is technological development in decline?
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No but the quality of your threads are.
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Everything is in decline.
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woke af and entropy pilled
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Woke af. Everything past 2006 is shit, we got bad even before 2008.
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Only because millennial-zers refuse to learn from their predecessors.
I cannot believe a millennial who grew up in the 90s and 2000s is so incapable of emulating it.-
I also feel like 2008 was tipping point where technological development started slowing down.
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this
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The world really did end in 2012. We’re living in a nightmare.
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thanks to this sentence I realized everything and can’t stop screamingrh
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no: decline is on the rise
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fuck
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spbp
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I’ve heard the 80’s were a hard time
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It wasn’t too bad, most of it was fear of the unknown. The Soviet Union was menacing, and japan looked set to own the world. Reagan and Thatcher set the political themes and we got Cyberpunk as a response to the situation back then.
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Very spenglerian post no cap
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https://i.4cdn.org/g/1634082246185.webm
Everything but China.
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>But China
I have some shocking news for you mai fren
Also fuck patents
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What has been the biggest advancement since, the iPhone? Nothing major, jut faster smaller and better versions of what we already had.
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What’s with the shill campaign for this book?
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You’re right. I get paid peanuts to post Mark Fisher memes on an obscure technology board, because the dead author really wants your NEET bux
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Yes.
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It’s baby’s first anticapitalism book. Mark Fisher killed himself.
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The DS was unironically a bigger advancement than the iPhone.
Smartphones are highly overrated.-
In 2021, how many people are walking around with a DS in their pocket?
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>universal appeal is the most important measure of technological achievement
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Way more than those who are walking around with an iphone 1.
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This kek
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In 2021, how many people have a nuclear reactor at home or have landed on the Moon?
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how lol?
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The iphone wasn’t a big advancement, just a faster, larger, "better" version of what we already had.
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>The iphone wasn’t a big advancement
I’m the farthest thing from an apple lover but this simply ain’t true.Just the iPhone’s touch screen alone was at least two gens ahead of what everyone else had at the time. Pinch to zoom, multi touch input without the OS crawling to a halt, automatic screen rotation, useable mobile browser. iPhone announcement had every competitor worried for months
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being first to push out a touchscreen phone to the non-business market is hardly a freaking groundbreaking advancement. everyone I knew that had one said it was shit and a gimmick from the jump. can’t say I agree or disagree with them, cause I hate phones in general. saying the iphone was some groundbreaking achievement ignores how shit early "smartphones" were compared to their PDA predecessors. Sure, the "apple is hip" marketing train pushed other manufacturers to rush to copy apple, but by your logic the ipod was also a groundbreaking achievement. Maybe try pointing to some actual leaps forward in technology, or at least acknowledge the absurd rate that things are evolving now, instead of focusing on consoomer products.
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LG did it first. The original iPhone was basically a dumbphone, and no one really cared about it. It wasn’t until the 3GS that it gained some notoriety.
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these aren’t mutually exclusive and it’s a pretty stupid post. The amount and type of people using an iphone era smartphone and what software and platforms they can use with it is vastly greater different than the blackberry or sidekick
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iscrote toys are the worst thing to happen to the planet. Worst than the death of Hitler and importing of scrotes into western countries combined.
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>Worst than
idiot
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Blockchain. But also I’m sick of people’s lack of ability to zoom out. Rarely did revolutionary inventions become immediately recognised as great when they were actually invented. Also the iPhone is only good because it made technology accessible, not because it was technologically revolutionary.
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>Seethe and cope
The iPhone caused a total paradigm shift. It redefined the phone and the rest of the industry fell in line. It also changed how we interact with ALL of our devices. There’s a reason why the Windows 11 start bar is in the middle by default, and it’s not because it looks cool. -
blockchain is from the 90 tho
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It was just a better version of LG Prada. Not the first touchscreen phone.
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The Tesla car, solar roof and power bank are the only real innovations in the last 10 years. And they all come from the same guy.
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And viable reusable rockets, elon musk will be known as the next steve jobs
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SpaceX. They literally just sent ordinary people into space. Have you been asleep iToddler?
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we sent people to the moon over 50 years ago friend. elon sending millionaires into upper atmosphere isn’t an advancement.
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>we sent people to the moon over 50 years ago
>he doesn’t know
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Internet and the smartphone are the last iterations of guthenberg’s invention. Seems logical to me that there’s less and less way to make it better. Op is like a consoomer that stops using a program because the update frequency drops under a threshold.
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Neural net everything.
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Cheaper and less repairable versions too.
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php7
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Blockchain. It’s not even debatable. Brainlets will realize this in due time.
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it’s definitely interesting, but in the long run useless. It’s never gonna replace regular currency.
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https://i.imgur.com/1P9r0bO.gif
We had a slight descent beginning in 2007 but we have made a total nosedive in terms on progression since the early 2010s (Windows 8/10,death of OSX, intel macs, Flat UI takeover, Javascript bloat everywhere, soulless hardware etc)
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The decline started around 1970. Compare the space race or the development of the Blackbird with the F-35, and you will see the massive decline we have had.
Sure, we have some improvements but these are mostly incremental improvements over the previous generation. Compare that to the leaps of the 60’s, from U-2 to Blackbird, from artillery missiles to space rockets, from valves to transistors and integrated circuits and more.
Yes. This is the era of stagnation.
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No it started in 2010
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Got a good argument to back up that one?
>It is because jet propulsion and airframe technology did reached an apex in the 1960s.
True. And the nature of an apex is that there is a decline thereafter; the world did not sustain that peak. To wit: F-35 engines have major problems.
>Physics and economic realities caught-up.
It is a sign of our times that Lockheed Martin succeeded in financial engineering that made F-35 insanely expensive and impossible to stop.
>The only advances in aircraft since then have been electronic warfare and avionics. They are still evolving today.
Much of the avionics could have been retrofitted to F-16 and would have reduced project risk as the rest of the platform was proven.
>Sure, the SR-71 can fly faster and height than a F-35, but the SR-71 certainly cannot perform much of the functions that a F-35 and is much easier to fly.
My point is that Blackbird succeeded in a complex project and was very reliable and was never shot down. Had L-M gone for technological engineering rather than financial engineering, the F-35 would not have had the issues we see, such as regression in the radar software and major engine failure.-
I don’t use fighter jets but I could use a home robot and I should be able to buy one by now.
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SR-71 was not reliable, several units were lost to crashes and had a number of close calls. SR-71 was discontinued because cost, its primary mission evaporated. The Russians were about to develop new AA measures that would place SR-71 in danger.
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>SR-71 was not reliable, several units were lost to crashes and had a number of close calls.
Was this beyond what one would expect during development? Calls may be close but they still pushed through.
>SR-71 was discontinued because cost,
People disagree about the reasons. And it is not as if cost was a problem before.
>its primary mission evaporated.
No, people cite satellites as good enough but forget to mention that orbits are very predictable. Some of the last missions were photographing Libya after the bombing and they wanted the results immediately. You can also get sharper images from 80000 feet than 1000 km altitude.
>The Russians were about to develop new AA measures that would place SR-71 in danger.
At the time of the Libyan missions they had missiles capable of about Mach 3. Brian Shul mentions they had to floor it, and without being specific he said he saw a new speed reading never seen before. They throttled back over Sicily but still overshot the tankers over Gibraltar.
Top speed was set by the temperature of one single part of the engine. I expect 3 years of incremental improvements in metallurgy would allow them to make an update for extra speed.-
Cost was a problem, you brainlet. The only reason we flew them is because we wanted to gather strategic intelligence from the Soviets between spy satellite orbits. That mission disappeared when USSR collapsed. There weren’t any other global powers that required constant intelligence gathering that couldn’t be met with satellites. SR-71 was a Cold-War artifact that lived and died with it. It is most likely its replacement will be an unmanned hypersonic aircraft once China starts to stretch its muscle around.
The problem wasn’t missile speed, it was range and radar/tracking getting good enough to coordinate a missile strike that speed alone wouldn’t help.
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the 70s date makes a great deal of sense sociologically and politically, as well as in the intiuitive sense of technological stagnation.
noam chomsky identified the post-watergate inflitration and co-optation of the democratic party during the ford and carter administrations as the date when neoliberalism ended liberalism. (He also calls NIXON the last liberal president)
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It is because jet propulsion and airframe technology did reached an apex in the 1960s. Physics and economic realities caught-up. The only advances in aircraft since then have been electronic warfare and avionics. They are still evolving today.
Sure, the SR-71 can fly faster and height than a F-35, but the SR-71 certainly cannot perform much of the functions that a F-35 and is much easier to fly.-
From Wright siss to 747 – 66 years
From 747 to 737 max – 50 years
Yeah, it’s not stagnation yet but civilization is slowing down at rapid pace.
I blame the commies and USSR, after their demise burgeland like driving force of the world didn’t have to prove anyone anymore they’re better than commies so it turned in utter corrupt piece of shit without any plan or vision other than squeezing maximum profits from it’s populous.-
>Yeah, it’s not stagnation yet but civilization is slowing down at rapid pace.
Well, isn’t that stagnation? We see more of the same, just nicer wrappings.In the 60’s we were promised cities on the moon, holidays on Mars, flying cars. All this would be commonplace in 2001. And ever since that people have shouted "Where is my jetpack!?" The Jetson’s was inspirational and every home should have a household robot. The only upgrade we have is Emmy the Robot, still a cartoon, plus Roomba.
We do have some form of robot muscle beyond hydraulics but things are not really progressing much.-
Hot damn and it’s been 60 years since then
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I’m gen-x, other than smartphones and maybe drones and kids buzzing around on escooters I as a kid would be pretty disappointed with this lame gay ass future.
Even my parents which are very old at this point say future is pretty disappointing compared to what they thought it would look like – as you said, rockets and outer world colonies.
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It is because we tapped out all of low-hanging fruit. Outside of a revolution, you aren’t going to see any rapid changes again. Hydrocarbons and cheap energy are the reason why technology progress and growth was so rapid in the last 200 years versus the previous 4000 years.
Mastery of nuclear fusion might be ticket for the next big leap.-
no cope my dude
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Everything "big" today is from MOSFET.
I agree on the premise: If a big new tech comes trough and brings a revolution, there will a ton of applications and replacing older techs as in the following decade.But still, there is a lot that can’t be done today since the backbone tech of lithium and silica both have limitations, as do lead acid.
But can’t wait for carbon strings to become commonplace, and then get banned for the same problems Asbestos has.The Tesla car, solar roof and power bank are the only real innovations in the last 10 years. And they all come from the same guy.
>power bank
I still don’t get why nation grinds don’t invest into container sized lead acid setups for load balancing.
It worked wonders for Australia’s questionable power grid, even if all it do is to give some leeway time on spinning up and down.-
>still don’t get why nation grinds don’t invest into container sized lead acid setups
More expensive than lithium ion now.
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>Hydrocarbons and cheap energy are the reason why technology progress and growth was so rapid in the last 200 years versus the previous 4000 years.
And as we can see with the coal crisis in India and China, and the natural gas crisis in Europe we’ve already exhausted most of our easy to get reserves.Electricity is gonna be much more expensive in the future so there will be less money for investments, particularly for renewables, and renewables themselves will grow more expensive since they rely a lot on oil and natural gas for their production.
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>natural gas crisis in Europe
>We’ll not but natural gas from Russia cause Russia is bad, let’s destroy Nord Stream 2
>Let’s buy gas in tanks from USA
>Let’s build windmills and sunroofs, muh green energy
>OH SHIT IS THIS WINTER? OHNOO GAS PRICE TO THE MOON WHY???-
And everyone is too scared to use nuclear or actually put money towards better battery tech. Yeah we are bonked.
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787 is a way better "new shiny" to compare against the 747. Carbon Fiber Monocoque airframe, ultra-high bypass engines, ultra high compression engines. Practical uses of exotic metals like gamma-Titanium-Aluminium. Removal of hot air bleed systems. Massive windows, high cabin pressures, less noise through the airframe, longer range, ultra-high glide ratio.
Theres a shit load of advancements in the 787 that we’ll see trickle down into other planes, the race is already on for even high bypass and even high compression engines.
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>787 is a way better "new shiny" to compare against the 747.
Nobody denies it is better. That was never the issue raised and discussed in this thread. It is all about the rate of development. Read again what you responded to.
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gosh i wonder what could have happened
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>NOOOOOOOO NOT THE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA AGAIN, YOU COMMUNISTS RUINED MY HECKIN GOOD CAPITALISMERINO
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Yeah either china or the United States are going to have to take one for the team and turn full blown communist.
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austrianscrotes are basically anarchists, and anarchy is indistinguishable from totalitarianism, and left-anarchy is indistinguishable from right-anarchy.
long story short the austrianscrotes figured out that keynsianism could be very profitable for them, and ever since the distinction between government and "private sector" has been paper thin, if not nonexistent.
at the same time the keynisans in government found that a pretense of ‘deregulation’ could be very profitable for them in terms of getting rid of pesky limits on government powers like the bill of rights (in terms of shaping public perception, not that "rule of law" has ever been an actual thing for the lawmakers)
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>Marx
>government control
Lol wut, picture made by someone who never read Marx.-
>transition period involving the revolutionary dictatorship of proletariat (i.e., government control)
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the main error of marxists was to assume that there can only be national-level governments or federations of national-level governments and nothing above, it’s a problem of 21st century’s government as such and not solely of dictatorship of the proletariat.
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> surely utopianism isn’t the problem, its that only I know the real key to it
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it’s always interesting when commies don’t comprehend even the most fundamental tenets of their ideology
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Bluepilled. Right-wingers want a strong government to enable property empires while Left-wingers want the same government to disable them.
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long story short the austrianscrotes figured out that keynsianism could be very profitable for them, and ever since the distinction between government and "private sector" has been paper thin, if not nonexistent.
at the same time the keynisans in government found that a pretense of ‘deregulation’ could be very profitable for them in terms of getting rid of pesky limits on government powers like the bill of rights (in terms of shaping public perception, not that "rule of law" has ever been an actual thing for the lawmakers)
gosh i wonder what could have happened
Keynesianism is the exaltation of foolish, short term thinking, as exhibited in his famous dictum: "in the long run everyone is dead".
Although elites are always sociopathic, no matter the system, "woke capital" is just gussied-up keynsianism.
It is promoted by a degenerated elite class too dumb (or egotistical) to consider the long term consequences of their reckless scrotery.
Every goddamn industry on this earth has been metagamed to the extreme by big corporations and subsequently ruined: movies, music, vidya, phones, hardware, CRT vs LCD, etc. There is just no way around it. Look at the price of a phone or GPU these days. Look at the poor quality of movies and games. Corporations are built to milk everything they can and create a monopoly of mediocrity. Be the only one to provide a service, and brainwash the masses to ONLY use that very service and shit on any other up-and-coming product that would compete with them.
We are in a day and age where tech companies are so big that they physically cannot fail. Google and Microsoft can have project after project that fail, but in the end it doesn’t matter to them. For example, when you rely on a service like Google drive or Onedrive, then that service might not even exist tomorrow if they pull the plug. That puts your company and your data at risk. Maybe we need some small-business equivalent for tech or something to protect them, because a few top companies will consume everything and possibly even form cartels if they haven’t already.
Elite insulation from failure or adverse consequence pervades development methodology and popular philosophy.
With buzzwords like "creative destruction", "worse is better", and "fail early, fail often", indoctrinated employees (and the wider culture) assist in directing that destruction and ruin to fall upon themselves, all to protect a degenerated, incompetent oligarchy.
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>development of the Blackbird with the F-35
One is mass produced so it could be fielded and fabricated in case of crippled infastructure during a possible WW3, the other is just a tech development project intended to keep a few aerospace military contracts alive
And that even applies too…
WW2 Germany, where some of the final products suffer from lack of field testing or refinement to boost durability, despite superior paper specs…. Essentially making them too expensive and fragile to deal with the actual war effort.
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There have been a lot of incremental advances but not very visible big ones. The latest and most controversial one being mRNA vaccines from work done in the 90s.
What I think is happening is the complete disintegration of school systems and the family unit, this in turn churns out "scrotebrained" and easily manipulated people who lack formal education. A lot of people are falling through the cracks and even more are giving up on society altogether because society failed them. They have no means to create families of their own, own a home and hold good jobs. The consequence of this is that engineers, physicists and doctors, the people doing research are diminishing in numbers, and even blue collar jobs are having a hard time getting candidates.
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This is unfortunately true, I know some smart people without jobs because of the insane hoops required to participate in society. Stuff like this is a big reason why the younger generation is filled with so many doomers, what hope can they have really?
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>muh consoomer products aren’t getting any fancier
>technology must be in decline-
It’s not just consumer products, think about how we haven’t even cracked the nut on fully autonomous transportation despite everyone and their mom cumming their pants over "aRtIfiCiAl InTeLlIGeNcE"
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It’s 5 years away, tops. The problem is that people want it to be perfect, because the legal implications are too much to deal with. Right now Tesla/Comma.ai autopilot is already safer than the average driver.
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>It’s 5 years away, tops
Yeah I’ve been hearing that for about 10 years man
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>Tesla/Comma.ai autopilot is already safer than the average driver
>crushes into roadside construction at 70 mph
Just werks.None of this dogshit actually improved anyone’s lives compared to 1950s. It only got worse.
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>autonomous transportation
Only for shuttle fleets and limited access roads. Autonomous transportation for masses is a massive pipe-dream. The cost/benefits simply don’t exist. Can’t beat the piece of meat in your head.
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The fact that they aren’t getting fancier is exact proof of stagnation or in the worse case regression. Modern tech isnt better for creators either, modern hardware is unreliable, prone to breakage/failure far quicker, most professional software worth using is behind SaaS paywalls. Planned obsolescence is our normal
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Let’s hope not. I need a robot ai waifu yesterday
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>Is technological development in decline?
Now that we have established we are in a decline, how do we turn the ship around?Need also this.
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All innovation is going into big data psychological manipulation meme shit to make us into more profitable consumer cattle.
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this
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>tfw best and brightest STEMlords aren’t trying to put a man on Mars, cure cancer or solve the global energy crisis but instead writing advertising algorithms at scroteMAN
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ML has probably had the most rapid advancement in recent times of any field, and it’s all being used to extract money and attention from goyim.
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Jinrui.
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>Jinrui
YKK is another one. Got more recommendations?-
SSR
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kabukimongatari
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YKK is perfect.
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jinrui sucks, especially the nonsensical time travel episodes
the only thing i liked about it wass the OP
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a washing machine purchased twenty years ago is more likely to make it past 2040 than one purchased today.
for my next phone, i’m strongly considering the phone i had before my current one.
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are you scrotebrained; RWA fucktard.
Stop worshiping the past.
Technology is still on the rise. Effective applications for machine learning are only increasing.
Chip devs are finally catching onto big little design
Chip fabs are moving out of China
Rust has been created, a good first step for how a memory-safe language might be developed in the future.
Honestly, the only thing you have to worry about is if you’re poor, cause the price of the everything as about to soar.
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>Stop worshiping the past.
Using a benchmark is hardly worshipping. Set your expectations right.
>Technology is still on the rise.
Did you read the thread before your had to hit the keyboard? Tech is rising incrementally more like the way dough rises. The big leaps are behind us.
>Effective applications for machine learning are only increasing.
… yet still not in a usable reliable fashion. Hype is high, products are lagging.
>Chip devs are finally catching onto big little design
Is this a breakthrough in your world??
>Chip fabs are moving out of China
The important ones were never there in the first place, TSMC and UMC are both in Taiwan.
>Rust has been created, a good first step for how a memory-safe language might be developed in the future.
If Rust is another of your milestones you set the threshold low, more like you buried deep underground.
>Honestly, the only thing you have to worry about is if you’re poor, cause the price of the everything as about to soar.
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Taiwan is part of China.
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fuck off, wu mao
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The mass adoption of social media turned technology from something that was supposed to empower it’s user to a tool of oppression and control. That’s the decline. Technology still develops, but not to benefit it’s user.
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This exactly.
There is a reason elites are harping on about technology and muh fourth industrial revolution despite it appearing that technology has stagnated. It is about to turn into a full fledged tyranny, and they have the tech to do it now-
I hate that they’re making removal of tech from my life into a necessity, but they’re turning our own homes against us. It’s vile.
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Are you sure it’s a decline? Maybe civilisation is advanced if the puppet masters have better strings to pull society in the right direction.
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VR is pretty big and smart glasses. The tech is getting new stuff every second year. Next is eye tracking and dynamic focus screens.
Tesla is going for batteries that are far cheaper and better than any other so far. They already got cheaper part done.
Monitors, gpus, ram, cpus, ssds are so much better than 10 years ago. Even 5 years ago it’s a big difference in some of those.Tech is still moving ahead every year. New stuff coming out and research being done. It’s zoomers saying tech has stopped
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YOU are the product now OP, and you’ve made a lot of great advancements in terms of being profitable
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If anything it is consumer tech that is losing its "wow " factor which makes it seem to some that nothing is progressing as fast and is just getting a bit more polished. In many things there are diminishing returns as consumers reject the more advanced tech options.
>bluray was technically ready for release just a few years after DVD launched, and even after it officially laucnhed in 2006 consumers didn’t feel it was worth the upgrade. 4K discs even less so
>vinyl records are once again outselling CDs, and despite better audio formats existing than MP3 most consumers reject it
>a 10 year old PC from 2011 can run any retail software and even most modern games. The same could not be said from a 1991 PC running 2001 software
>travel back in time 20 years and show someone a PS5 compared to their new PS2 in 2001 and they will be mildly impressed, compared to showing a PS2 to someone in 1981 where it would look like space magic
>OLED displays were featured in a 1993 issue of EGM maagzine, expecting we would have been gaming on them in only a few years when the price came down (still waiting)
>consumers ignored 3D TVs, and now they are pressured to buy 4k tvs to watch their DVDs
>VR was around in the early 1990s, just waiting for consumers to accept it (they didn’t)
>very little innovation with smartphones or tablets since 2007, just mild refinement year after year
>home theater and audiophile equipment is essentially the same its been for decades, adding a few new channels less than 1% of the population uses. 7.1 never caught on, if anything consumers regressed to stereo with a simple soundbar
>cars have barely changed in the past 20 years (aside from niche electric market). style and performance remain mostly unchanged for past two decades when you used to see significant change every 5-8 years-
>Vinyls outselling CDs
It is physical media for music is pretty much dead. It is only die-hard audiophiles (SACDs/DVD-As and CDs) and nostalgia/hipsters (Vinyl) that keep it alive. The masses use their smartphone or basic digital media player for their music needs. -
>bluray was technically ready for release just a few years after DVD launched, and even after it officially laucnhed in 2006 consumers didn’t feel it was worth the upgrade. 4K discs even less so
Bluray is a chicken and egg problem, not really a consumer reception problem. Why buy a bluray player if there aren’t many movies? Why release a bluray movie if there’s not a lot of players in households?
People don’t give a shit about 4k disks because the disk part. On demand streaming is vastly more convenient. Yeah, 4k is hard to distinguish from 1080p at common viewing distances, but if it’s the same price consumers will buy it. We didn’t say no to cheap 4k tvs.
>vinyl records are once again outselling CDs, and despite better audio formats existing than MP3 most consumers reject it
Because vinyl’s competitor isn’t the CD, it’s digital streaming and download. Only boomers keep their antiquated format for sentimentality. A lot collect them but don’t play them, it’s like an adult baseball card. There’s also nothing audibly wrong with mp3.
>consumers ignored 3D TVs, and now they are pressured to buy 4k tvs to watch their DVDs
Because they still aren’t good enough, and it’s weird how you ignore a 4k tv as an example of consumers adopting superior technology. Also even boomers are finally streaming these days
>VR was around in the early 1990s, just waiting for consumers to accept it (they didn’t)
You know it sucked, come on now
>style and performance remain mostly unchanged for past two decades when you used to see significant change every 5-8 years
2011 you would be telling the truth but google 2001 car, you forgot what they look like
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I don’t agree on the cars one. They are starting to look pretty futuristic with all the light/led bars on them.
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>Muh LED’s
Meanwhile nothing else has changed except cars become even harder to self repair and they all have the same flat design that looks like they were made by a first year engineering student in CAD.-
Don’t care, still looks scifi future.
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Thats the whole point
It looks
It is not
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No, its just a lull. There will be a war soon enough don’t you worry.
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they unironically don’t make em like they used to
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Since corporations and governments continue to appeal to the lowest, most hedious just because they are more exploitable and profitable, all things are going to slowly get more disfunctional, more prone to failure. "Craftman" products simply do not exist in technology anymore.
Why do you think India, a nation of shit-flingers, stoamach cancer havers, short, ugly, who can bearly even speak english properly and are of moderate inteligence at best are the most sought-after market in the world?
Capitalism has become a race to the bottom.The most technical and clever people work on mass manipulation and lobotomy, with the goal of selling less and less robust products that are produced by the most unqualified and thus exploitable people.
Just think of the fact that being a scrote muslim chud disabled scrote is the highest qualification for most gigacorps.
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As blackpilled as this post may seem you are unfortunately very correct
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>vote tory
ok fine
>muzzie shops around
wot? immigration is a chud sjw mantra in all western nations. to attribute to conservatives is definitely done by a projecting chud-
Why are britneets so arrogant and stupid?
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>chud SEETHING
yup I nailed your rotten wound. dont try to project your ideology’s failures on your opponent, chud. especially on LULZ. that might work on chud safespaces but not here.
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immigration has never been higher than under the last 10 years of tory rule
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My life is in decline
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stream it, buddy.
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sorry dude, hope things get better
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Everyone passionate about tech is working on monolithic FOSS projects. Tech may be on decline for proprietary shit, but stuff like Proton, Godot and the software written for the Pinephone (as janky as they are) would have been unheard of back in the day.
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>stuff like Proton, Godot and the software written for the Pinephone (as janky as they are) would have been unheard of back in the day
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Idk it seems like FOSS is denying. Massive corporate backed chud subversion, Linus semi retiring, godawful dogshit security problems that proprietary software doesn’t have, reliance on corporate contributions, plummeting IQ and mental stability in free countries, etc. The future seems really grim.
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>The Olduvai theory divides human history into three phases. The first "pre-industrial" phase stretches over most of human history when simple tools and weak machines limited economic growth. The second "industrial" phase encompasses modern industrial civilization where machines temporarily lift all limits to growth. The final "de-industrial" phase follows where industrial economies decline to a period of equilibrium with renewable resources and the natural environment.
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when will we have the technology to build pic related?
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People have discussed transporting hydrocarbons from the lakes of Titan to a space fuel station in orbit around Earth. Such a concept will most likely be a sphere like the Deathstar. It could be a reality in 50 years.
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Never because it’s scrotebrained
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People underestimate how much technological development hinges on a single human lifespan. The American space program rose and fell with Wernher von Brau, because only he and his peers had the expertise over a lifetime of developing rockets. If you don’t pass on those skills then the next generation can only ape what previous generations did, and as systems become more complex a bottleneck develops. Additionally, an environment where people believe in the future is necessary for continued technological development, if the human motivation is simply collecting a paycheck then technology will stagnant.
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a post of truth in a thread full of bullshit
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Under rated post. That’s a powerful insight.
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100% correct
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Dude! Yeah! I think the hacking culture around the Commodore 64 and other early computers is coming to a halt as that generation ages, and it is that reason why Linux and Open Source is starting to fall now. They forgot to pass on that knowledge! I had no idea how to write machine language or start freaking with chips until the 8 bit guy introduced me to the culture and Ben Eater showed me what it was. I was freaking around with Arduinos and Raspberry Pis for wayyy too long!
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Got a link to those videos? Like you I’ve only worked with Arduino systems.
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Here’s a great one by 8-bit Guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36NgkpctW6k
And the Ben Eater channel (The whole thing is a set of tutorials and he sells the kits that go with it) https://www.youtube.com/c/BenEater/playlists
I’m gonna get a lot of shit for this, but early Apple was pretty woke af and a lot of the old guys here were inspired by early Apple. So prepare for that.
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Here’s one for the Rust trannies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOyaJXpAYZQ
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Yes, because human capital is in decline since early 20th century, after scientific progress relieved eugenic pressures.
Some anon said that ai singularity is a cope akin to the believe in "education", that it somehow will save us from real world and biology.
Of course no amount of investment in magic ai’s or education will turn a low iq scrote into a productive member of society.
It’s over.
But also there is no end to history.-
>Yes, because human capital is in decline since early 20th century, after scientific progress relieved eugenic pressures.
If science was just the sober pursuit of truth then it would have increased eugenic pressures, as there’s no reason why humans would fall outside the remit of scientific improvement. The reason science has had dysgenic consequences is politicscrotes and moralscrotes. -
Its nukes and missiles in general.
A country that isn’t afraid of a war isn’t a under a threat of warfare on its territory, is much less likely to invest in scientific projects. And, scientific projects that are too good to be true, but may give them an edge in warfare.
I believe all technological and scientific progress is driven by a primitive fear of survival.
>Can’t survive the cold, can’t sleep on the ground or freeze to death.
>Make a bed, sleeping bag.
>Can’t weather the storm, literally, make a house.
>Too sunny, make a hat (so you don’t die from sun exposure).
>Can’t see (predators) well in sunlight, make glasses.
>Want to bring water to x location, hands can’t hold it, make a bucket(not die from dehydration).
>Can’t kill x animal, with y weapon, make a better one, make traps.
>Can’t find a reliable source of food in the wild, domestic X animal, farm Y crop.
You get the idea, nukes and ballistic missiles make war pointless. Nukes won’t bring fallout tier world or landscape, but they will destroy any city or object the hit successfully, which will render all your production and thinking capacity moot and useless.
Basically, we reached a natural stop. A perfect predator cannot exist in the wild, because it will eat all its food, so there is no perfect predator.
A perfect weapon doesn’t exist, so humans have to work to innovate and make one better.
But missiles in general are pretty much perfect and very cheap way to destroy things.
Thanks for reading my blog post.-
Correct, but survival of the gene, not the individual. Most technological innovation came from gathering wealth to increase reproductive fitness. This has also been killed by social media. Now the path to reproductive success is being born a Chad, and Chads are generally harmful to society. Working for beta bucks and sustaining civilization will no longer get you a loyal wife, so why bother?
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Working for betabucks still gets you a wife I think, now I don’t know about loyal.
Don’t know about the EU though since they have socialism lite.
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>eugenic pressures
When women are selecting males to mate with, they don’t choose the intelligent ones, they choose braindead troglodytes who are 6’5" with square face bones. That’s where the lack of eugenic pressure comes from, it’s not about technology.-
It is not about t levels or bone structure, it’s that low iq’s and their offspring aren’t dying as a result of something like bad weather and poor planning(ooops, it’s only january and i have no food left, i guess it’s time to die).
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>ooops, it’s only january and i have no food left, i guess it’s time to die
It’s something like that but you’re not taking it far enough. It used to be that you will run out of food in the winter. So there was an advantage to having tall scrotebrained chuds around for all the back-breaking farming or hunting work that was needed.
Now that is no longer the case. We can produce all the food we need with very little labour. What gives you any advantage, more than ever in today’s environment, is your brain. But sexual selection is still stuck in the past where it was a constant physical fight to stay alive.
It’s the same with the obesity epidemic. Our instincts are still stuck in the past, where there were constant famines, and are now making us sick and dead.
The first culture, where people find intelligence genuinely hot, will be the culture that rules the galaxy.-
We already live in that culture, you’re just stuck with the kind of intelligence that gets zero pussy.
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>Unironically using chuds
You just blow in from discord? Also YWNBAW. -
>The first culture, where people find intelligence genuinely hot, will be the culture that rules the galaxy.
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>So there was an advantage to having tall scrotebrained chuds around for all the back-breaking farming or hunting work that was needed.
Humans still need to move and be physically fit in order to also perform well in other tasks. One of the sources of new neurons is the Hyppothalamus, and that part is active through exercise. Being sedentary not only is unhealthy for your body, but also your mind. What this means is that taking care of your health and body will not be less important. Don’t forgo physical exertion because it’s for "scrotebrained chuds". -
T. Incel trannie
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I used to be in research, pursued the career up to a few years as a postdoc before going to industry. The situation is really dire and clearly in decline.
First there is the ever more brutal climate in science, it is a dog eat dog world where loose ethics and sharp elbows are the only way to get promoted. Noble ideals about science for humanity was dumped out the window years ago.
Secondly, and as follows from the above, there is the ever growing problem with fake papers, as documented by Retraction Watch. Since publication count is crucial for promotions, a lot of papers should never have been published or approved. But there we are. Meanwhile an increasing number of vigilantes are working flat out to unmask the frauds, see Clare Francis as an example. Counter attacks are underway, of course, and people are trying to remove Retraction Watch from Wikipedia.
Thirdly and hardly surprisingly, we are in the middle of a replication crisis. People try to reproduce earlier publications, and cannot get the same results. This stinks.
Fourthly, academia is so into "gender research" that large sums are now redirected to this rather than science. Tax payers believe taxes also go to research and science, thinking of technology and medicine, but reality is that vast sums are going to "gender research" and political "sciences" designed to agree with whoever is in power just now.There cannot be any doubt there is a decline, but not all are aware of the full scope of this mess.
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Researchers should be given good salaries and the resources to carry out their research with no pressure.
Not the gender studies ones though, what is there even there to research? You either got a dick and balls or you don’t.-
>Researchers should be given good salaries and the resources to carry out their research with no pressure.
That would have been nice, yes. I quit because my salary was far too low to handle my student loans. Also 2 year postdoc contracts meant I would pay into retirement funds but since the employment was so short I will never get a penny out of it. A lot of people are stranded in the postdoc limbo and will retire with a horrible pension.
>Not the gender studies ones though, what is there even there to research? You either got a dick and balls or you don’t.
Last I heard they have "discovered" 61 "genders" so who knows what they are huffing.-
>student loans
The fuck is a student loan-
Universities charge for admission and it also turns out you need money to pay for food, accommodation, books, travel and more. For this people take up loans. This will have to be paid back.
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It has flattened. Not declined. There’s no way for technology to decline since that implies that it regresses but tech only moves forward. I don’t see us going back to typewriters after using keyboards but then the technology is now stale/plateaud.
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The dark ages.
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yes, very definitely, and it started around 2012 when people were complaining about the rate at which technology became obsolete. You could buuy a computer or phone and within a year it was totally obsolete.
Governments asked the tech companies to slow down their innovative release cycles and it just got worse and worse. Governments even told the military to offer contracts where companies could not use military patents for consumer goods for 20 years rather than the previous 10 years
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I work in chemical manufacturing. Over the past 10 years, we went from bulky lab equipment to having star trek tricorder handheld levels of technology.
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Pictures for comparison, please. Sounds fascinating.
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What are some actually good tech developments of recent years?
For me it’s Youtube tutorials. Pretty much anything I want to know how to do I can find a video of it on YT and that’s incredible. This was hard to do in the mid 90s and early 2000s, you had to look for it in books or find someone IRL who was knowledgeable in that topic.
LED lights are pretty nifty and I like that they don’t consume much.
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>What are some actually good tech developments of recent years?
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>LED lights are pretty nifty and I like that they don’t consume much.
Literally a huge mistake
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We’re in a period of consolidation, more and more tools and methods from known techniques. Liquid metal batteries, metals that don’t expand or contract are two new inventions from old tech.
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Bloat is still growing
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>quantum computing
>mRNA vaccines
>machine learning solving the protein folding problem
>dirt cheap solar
>plant woke af meats
>electric cars more common
>adaptive cruise control and autopilot
>fediverse
>plenty of media can be found for free in HQ without piracy
>5G
Just off the top of my head. Some of these things might not be good, but each of them are technologically impressive compared to the 2000s and early 2010s. Personal computing, both mobile and desktop, are stagnant and they’re going to be incremented on while the economy moves to biotech.-
all of that tech has been around since the 70s and we are no better at it now.
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If that is what passes for "progress" these days we are truly in deep, deep trouble. Like fediverse?? Haha
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>dirt cheap solar
Solar power is not efficient and reliable and will never replace traditional sources of power generation.
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yes it is
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it’s leftist "cheap" – i buy it, you pay for it.
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>quantum computing
Isn’t real.
>dirt cheap solar
"It costs how much? I’ll just keep burning coal, thanks. t. Deutschland"
>adaptive cruise control and autopilot
*autopilots you into a concrete barrier at 140kph*
*swerves into a pedestrian that it could clearly see one second ago*
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https://i.imgur.com/Fv5wvEz.gif
>>quantum computing
>>mRNA vaccines
>>machine learning solving the protein folding problem
>>dirt cheap solar
>>plant woke af meats
>>electric cars more common
>>adaptive cruise control and autopilot
>>fediverse
>>plenty of media can be found for free in HQ without piracy
>>5G-
>dirt cheap solar
good send me some, I’ll pay 35 cents a watt, well above the predictions in 2007 when they were 3 years away from printing it on unlimited easy to make graphene -
woke af
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the raspberry pi is the biggest innovation in the last 60 years behind the tesla blowjob having car while on autopilot
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>the tesla blowjob having car while on autopilot
henceforth known as a grimie (grimes only had one job and she blew it)-
Grimes wouldn’t blow it, and that was the problem.
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she wouldn’t blow him lucid, always sloppy half-hearted on xanax.
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That sounds like heaven tbh
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i’m not paying $150,000 for a half-hearted gimmie-mobile.
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VR, AR, battery capacity, storage capacity, Camera res, existing tech optimization. We stopped making bigger engines, now we’re making existing engines more efficient for their size. There’s still hyper-expansion in tech fields, its just way less interesting and directly impactful than the leap of 2007 or 2012 or 2014. Somewhere between 2011 and 2015 bluetooth which existed for a decade or longer blew up to the mainstream. QR is big in china, dead in the US. It’ll all catchup. Im riding the analog middle-tech wave of 2006-2019 like universal media players, LED HD projectors under 130 dollars, raspberry pi 4 retro cabinet, seated VR, chromecast and airplay junk. Its the future I imagined in 1999 for sure, cheaper and faster than ever, just not as impressive as the extrememly expensive ecosystems that make mine look outdated.
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Technological development meant to increase the utility a single user can gain from a said piece of tech is in decline.
Technological development for the usage of group or governing bodies is on the incline.
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Good point. Everyone carries a surveillance device with them everywhere.
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this podcast is about the plans to centralize the internet and kill any semblance of anonymity and make sharing disinformation an official crime globally
>https://odysee.com/@TLAVagabond:5/Whitney-Webb-Interview-10-8-21:b
this is the accompanying article
>https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/07/investigative-reports/ending-anonymity-why-the-wefs-partnership-against-cybercrime-threatens-the-future-of-privacy/My question is how will this be implemented? Chinese style firewalls? Will they just target individual servers/hosts?
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https://i.imgur.com/ETIwtH6.gif
Internet Computer
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2. GOD HAS GIVEN US ALL TECHNOLOGY WE NEED… literally all the protein building blocks can be found in LITERAL freaking SHIT
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that’s cool an all but how many people do you know that have an electron microscope at home?
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Bros, i just cant stop thinking about demographics and its making me a total doomer.
The west has shit birthrates, and instead of trying to improve them we are actively replacing ourselves with low IQ 3rd worlders that have an IQ barely higher than room temperature. How can scietific and technological progress keep up if Europeans are gone?
Is there any chance that im being a schizo and that Europeans are still the majority in Europe after im gone? Please bros i want to be in the wrong here, its making me depressed af.-
Bumping this
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Near as I can tell you’re correct. Have white kids and raise them on compilers
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Does anyone have an archived link to that tweet?
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Sweden might actually save you, their national party is set to win the next election (election happens in 2 years) and they’re gonna stop immigration from outside the EU and also revoke the permit people outside the EU have to stay in Sweden. On an EU level Sweden is one of the few countries that are pushing for the EU to accept more asylum seekers (the other one being Germany) so if Sweden switches position, and with Germany in disarray after their election, we might Sweden’s new policy become EU policy.
Denmark has also introduced a bill that makes it so that asylum seekers from outside the EU aren’t hosted in Denmark but is instead kept in 3rd party countries and never enter Denmark.
It looks bad but stuff is actually getting fixed. But do have children, and don’t have like 1 or 2, have 5 kids.
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>don’t have like 1 or 2, have 5 kids.
but white women only want one kid, do i need to get an asian gf like the rest of tech bros?
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East Asians will carry on the torch of civilization after Europeans have died out.
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Shit has to get bad before people get out of their comfort zones and start to act. Problem is, the designed and deliberate demographic swamping of our homelands has very few solutions other than ones which are currently unpalatable. But then again we’ve been through genocidal sis wars, plagues, a full damned century of brain damaged communist social engineering, the collapse of empires and even the total collapse of high civilization before. We’re at our best when shit is at its worst.
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Quality of almost everything has gone to shit.
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Yes blame libtards and their "muh environment" bullshit. The proceed to sit latte and consome fast fashion while they complain on their macbooks and iPhones they buy on a yearly basis.
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Not really. Tech tends to move in large jumps and then level off. Look at car development. Huge technological leaps from the early 1900s to the 1940s. After that it starts to slow down. Same with airplanes except a couple decades later. Most tech has around a 50 year rapid development cycle and then it starts to slow down. Computers are no different. We’re just reaching the end of that initial 50 year boom.
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I think it’s a matter of optics. Humans having zero hindsight and so on.
Thousands of years have passed in which technological progress basically amounted to making a sharp piece of metal a little sharper. And now we have arificial intelligence and virtual worlds in a matter of 5 years but still complain about it as being "stagnated"-
Even back then tech tended to move in leaps rather than a steady line. What I think it is is someone figures something out and then others come along and improve upon the invention to its logical limit. At that point it appears to stagnate until someone else comes along with a revolutionary new idea and the cycle repeats.
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no, it isn’t.
The middle-class, ‘muh incentives’ proprietary, state-corporate culture is in decline though, and it will not recover, it seems.-
>no, it isn’t.
Got anything to back that up with? About 100 replies before you disagree strongly.-
>Got anything to back that up with?
no if you’re american. Because it’s all there is – middle-class, ‘muh incentives’ proprietary, state-corporate culture. The universe doesn’t revolve around n america.-
>no if you’re american.
No, I am not American.
>Because it’s all there is – middle-class, ‘muh incentives’ proprietary, state-corporate culture.
That is hardly convincing. To the contrary, state-corporate culture sounds more of stagnation and celebration of mediocrity than the opposite.
>The universe doesn’t revolve around n america.
True, it is just more visible over there.
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I think the real next big jump for phones/computers/wearable shit will be solid state batteries (that can also flex/bend). Capacity will go up by a metric fuckton too, allowing electric gars to outdo range of gas cars ending the era of gas cars for good.
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Would they get worn out slower? Because if yes companies will find a way to gimp them
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Yea, but we’re at a point where we need to make lasting shit because the environment is literally goanna kills us otherwise if we keep up at the rate of shit we’ve been doing till now. Solid state by design solve the dendrite problem that current batteries have, there’s no real way to gimp that without making the solid state batter unusuable (it would be no better than lithium ion then).
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>Capacity will go up by a metric fuckton too
As you increase the power density you also increase explosivity. It will not take much time before you will not be allowed to board a plane with state of the art batteries.-
Nope
>A solid-state battery has higher energy density than a Li-ion battery that uses liquid electrolyte solution. It doesn’t have a risk of explosion or fire, so there is no need to have components for safety, thus saving more space. Then we have more space to put more active materials which increase battery capacity in the battery.-
Source: SamBA-BOOOMsung
Wikipedia is more careful:
>solid-state batteries are believed to have lower risk of catching fire
>believed
Yet also notes
>Dendrites penetrate the separator between the anode and the cathode causing short circuits. This causes overheating, which may result in fires or explosions from thermal runaway.[51]-
Dendrites are literally a lithium ion problem. The whole reason for solid state battery creation is to avoid that problem, so even when pierced it wont short circuit like that.
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So where does all the energy go then when it catches fire or short circuits?
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A battery electrolyte is usually a liquid or gel, and can develop gases or leak out of the battery if something goes wrong. Particles or small spikes on or between the poles inside the battery may cause a short circuit, leading to overheating and fire. Too fast charging or discharging may also cause overheating, gas development and fire; damage or high external temperature may as well. But if we manage to make electrolytes out of solid materials, we could eliminate the risk of short circuits, gas generation and leakage, and thus the danger of the battery spontaneously catching fire or exploding.
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No, but the economy is in decline.
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OI JOSUKE I think OP is a stand user!
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Yes, you can thank climate activists for that.
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wtf i love the environment now
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Every goddamn industry on this earth has been metagamed to the extreme by big corporations and subsequently ruined: movies, music, vidya, phones, hardware, CRT vs LCD, etc. There is just no way around it. Look at the price of a phone or GPU these days. Look at the poor quality of movies and games. Corporations are built to milk everything they can and create a monopoly of mediocrity. Be the only one to provide a service, and brainwash the masses to ONLY use that very service and shit on any other up-and-coming product that would compete with them.
We are in a day and age where tech companies are so big that they physically cannot fail. Google and Microsoft can have project after project that fail, but in the end it doesn’t matter to them. For example, when you rely on a service like Google drive or Onedrive, then that service might not even exist tomorrow if they pull the plug. That puts your company and your data at risk. Maybe we need some small-business equivalent for tech or something to protect them, because a few top companies will consume everything and possibly even form cartels if they haven’t already.
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You know, the main argument for megacorps and industrialization is that the products would become higher quality and cheaper. People still laugh at me when I say that hand-made stuff could be better than a factory. But your post sort of proves a good point: there is a size of a capitalistic company where the natural forces and checks and balances simply don’t apply anymore.
Really, I’ve seen small companies do good things, only to be bought out by these big megacorps and have their baby raped into corporate interest. What I want to know, though, is where these guys are, and if they’re still willing to do quality work on commission so I can just get a small pocket of quality for me and my family.
I’ve seen that the tech just hasn’t spread very well in America. Let me explain.
The companies get the reputation that they are the "experts in X" and so everybody just trusts them to do a good job. The argument is that they will do a good job, because if they don’t, then they won’t get the money. But, without competition, they will do the BARE MINIMUM to make the sale and the result is heavy advertisement and plastic bullshit.
But HOW did these guys to X? How can I tell if X was TRULY done well? Can I read the patent (Which is the spirit of IP law) to see what they did and determine if that is a good fit for my particular situation? People have just taken it on blind faith that "America is so great that we don’t NEED to learn" and as a result neglected the checks and balances that MAKE America great.
tl;dr: Everyone should read the book. Because no president (including Trump) will ever be able to do that for you.
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Not the anon you replied to but the issues interest me
>You know, the main argument for megacorps and industrialization is that the products would become higher quality and cheaper.
That is true. With large volumes you can apply statistical quality methods. That is what Japanese companies did to outcompete US companies that didn’t care about quality. This gave us strange effects such as Japanese toy cameras having better optics than Western non-toy cameras, since the Japanese realised that its is far better to increase volume in order to improve quality and instead segment the market for setting the cost. Western companies could have done it but chose not to, until their customers left them.>People still laugh at me when I say that hand-made stuff could be better than a factory.
Yes, it can be but is far less certain. Statistical quality methods will deliver impressive results.>Really, I’ve seen small companies do good things, only to be bought out by these big megacorps and have their baby raped into corporate interest.
This is true and there has been a shift in innovation policies where large companies reduce in-house development and instead buy startups with the next big thing.>What I want to know, though, is where these guys are, and if they’re still willing to do quality work on commission so I can just get a small pocket of quality for me and my family.
They are out there but usually have an exit strategy for IPO or being bought by the dominant company in their field. They start in stealth mode so you cannot find them, and when they come out of stealth the time to exit is as short as they can manage. Very few companies aim for a future as a going company in itself.-
I have a couple potential solution for this:
What if communities of families used the industrialization technology on their own? I don’t see how 20-30 families can’t all pitch-in and get a collectively-owned factory. With robot arms and assembly lines and statistical quality methods. I saw a small town in Pennsylvania do exactly that and they seemed quite well off. Only 1 McDonalds and a couple insurance corpos, their own pizza company, clean and well-build roads, and one huge factory just outside of town.
It’s not just about the money at that point, but about security. If all of society collapsed, that community would still have their factory. They could teach their kids to work there. They themselves get the fruits of their own labor. They would be much more likely to get special requests (like if someone wanted to use the machine after-hours for a personal project) especially if they were willing to pay a premium for it.
Now, in order to be bought out, it wouldn’t be as easy as money. And, of course, the whole nation would benefit from enhanced competition and a greater diversity of products if many communities did this.
I’m interested in metal machining for parts for old cars. They were much simpler back then and easier to "get a grip" on. I would really like to keep this old manual transmission clunker alive and I’m sure there’s enough of us to support a few such community factories focused around car parts.
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>What if communities of families used the industrialization technology on their own? I don’t see how 20-30 families can’t all pitch-in and get a collectively-owned factory. With robot arms and assembly lines and statistical quality methods.
My background in this is as a former quality assurance (QA) auditor, I am no expert. What we learned was that you need a large volume to get this to works, probably more than thousands of items/parts/steps/products to get this to work. You could perhaps set up a common infrastructure so that collectively owned factories shared a database for getting this to work, a kind of QA as a service, though that quickly ramps up complexities. This kind of work is rather invisible (until things go wrong) but requires a lot of expertise.>I saw a small town in Pennsylvania do exactly that and they seemed quite well off. Only 1 McDonalds and a couple insurance corpos, their own pizza company, clean and well-build roads, and one huge factory just outside of town.
McDonalds (and other franchises like it) have their own QA handbook. The dirty little secret in QA is that it is process oriented and it avoids the need for thinking for production staff. you can also get things to work if people think, or "relying on heroes" is it is known in these circles. Sure it can work but when these people retire or fall ill, everything implodes.>It’s not just about the money at that point, but about security. If all of society collapsed, that community would still have their factory. They could teach their kids to work there. They themselves get the fruits of their own labor. They would be much more likely to get special requests (like if someone wanted to use the machine after-hours for a personal project) especially if they were willing to pay a premium for it.
You can always get far with low tech equipment and hard work.-
>The dirty little secret in QA is that it is process oriented and it avoids the need for thinking for production staff.
If the processes are separate from the people entirely, then it seems possible to me for a person/group to just implement a process. A lot like buying a seed. "I’ll buy a die casting company, process 3 seems like it’ll make what I want the best" And we could have a creative-commons-like database for such company processes. We could theoretically crowd-fund a team of experienced systems engineers to design some of the more complex ones.Like, if the corpos are just buying the good companies, why couldn’t the common man do the same? Just like how a farmer buys a seed.
>You can always get far with low tech equipment and hard work.
I think people do need to start off with low-tech and work their way up. High tech can be nice, but the over-engineering can have practical consequences if you don’t know what you’re doing. If you don’t need it, why add complexity and higher chance of failure? Especially dangerous for important things like peoples livelihood. That being said, people should also be free to innovate if it means it will make them better off>Culture is important.
I firmly believe that the US is too big to have one culture. It is, at its foundation, a multi-cultural society with mechanisms like a house of representatives and local judiciaries to support that. These are going almost completely neglected in modern times, I think, because everyone identifies as "American". To my knowledge, no other nation was ever like this. They were all so small and the foundation of those small nations were built on being one culture. When those cultures fell, so did the nation.-
>If the processes are separate from the people entirely,
That is the idea, yes, to make people fungible. Also look up Taylorism.
>then it seems possible to me for a person/group to just implement a process. A lot like buying a seed. "I’ll buy a die casting company, process 3 seems like it’ll make what I want the best" And we could have a creative-commons-like database for such company processes. We could theoretically crowd-fund a team of experienced systems engineers to design some of the more complex ones.
True.
>Like, if the corpos are just buying the good companies, why couldn’t the common man do the same? Just like how a farmer buys a seed.
The ever increasing complexities of the world makes this rather hard. The common man is sadly not aware of all the rules to follow and all the checkboxes that have to be ticked, or what attorneys to use to get things done legally correct. Big corps have huge in-house legal divisions to handle this plus years of experience.>I think people do need to start off with low-tech and work their way up. High tech can be nice, but the over-engineering can have practical consequences if you don’t know what you’re doing. If you don’t need it, why add complexity and higher chance of failure?
That is the core of the difference between US and Russian approach: US likes over engineering while Russians prefer things as simple as possible to get the job done and no more. Compare Skylab with Mir. Simplicity makes for reliability.>I firmly believe that the US is too big to have one culture.
There are some broad lines such as independence, self sufficiency and the American dream.
>To my knowledge, no other nation was ever like this.
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Mir communities in Russia seemed like a pretty woke af idea all the way up until the land ownership being reapportioned by the community according to family sizes. I’d like to have my lawn be my lawn. Don’t know how this relates to Skylab though.
>There are some broad lines such as independence, self sufficiency and the American dream
This is true, the only thing we agree on is freedom. Make congress wild again. Remember filibusters? Great times, great stories.>Taylorism
‘As foreman, Taylor was "constantly impressed by the failure of his [team members] to produce more than about one-third of [what he deemed] a good day’s work" ‘In Pennsylvania, no less!
This is gearing up to be a good read! Much appreciated, my sis! Best of wishes to you!
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>This is gearing up to be a good read!
i read up on organisational theory after I lost my job a few years ago. As a technical guy I had no ideas about this topic but it was an eye opener and also a bit disturbing. Psychopaths get ahead in the game, they rigged it that way.-
I don’t understand why this is a bad thing. Wouldn’t this increase independence in America? To participate in a system where you are fungible? In this way, you won’t need to develop emotional ties just to get some money. You won’t have to pretend to be friends to scrotes or other undesirables just to keep your job. It wouldn’t matter if you were white or black or woman or scrote, as long as you do the job, the job is done and you get the money?
Why is this behavior deemed to be psychopathic? Like it’s some kind of mental disorder to have your eye on the ball and focus on getting the job done over developing emotional ties with every fucker you meet.
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It is in the nature of a psychopath to treat people as not replaceable until the same people are culled like cattle. I see that people with a technical background have a naive view of the workplace: thinking that doing the right thing is the right thing to do, when the psychopaths are really only concerned with one single thing: themselves.
The text book example I have seen in several books, is the launching of space shuttle Challenger. The engineers and scientists said do not launch. Management commanded a launch. And a launch they got. What is even harder to understand for most technical guys is that in spite of killing 7 astronauts, destroying billions in government properties and breaking the back of US space efforts, none of those "responsible" were made responsible for this. None were even tried before court. NASA management tried a white wash commission but grossly underestimated Richard Feynman, whose Appendix F should be compulsory reading.
Sure, if people go to work realising this is a dog eat dog world they would not be disappointed or tricked. Still, it is a fairly ugly way to live. In other countries such as Japan, management has a responsibility. Back in the day when US management knew what responsibility was, they would have locked themselves in their office, taken a bottle of whiskey from one drawer and the revolver from the second drawer. That is a long time ago.
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But… People ARE replaceable in factories. What do you think is going to happen to the nation when you die? Everybody dies? Should the kids start from scratch every generation?
Work is just such a small portion of a human life.
When I look at my finances, I see that I need a certain amount of money. I look at the marketplace to see what I can do to make money. I’m not interested in starting a company just yet (not ready to settle down), so I look at already-existing companies to see if I can do something for them in exchange for money. It’s a trade. If I need more money, then I need to be more productive to somebody that needs it.
I see a great opportunity in well-defined systems for me to just grab a tool with minimal training and start being productive in under a week, under a day sometimes! I can work temporary contracts until my bills are paid, and then move on to doing the things I WANT to do.
People have been working like this for ages. Mexicans used to just cross the border in Texas during harvest time to harvest the fields in exchange for US dollars and then take the money back home to Mexico.
I freaking hate work. I freaking hate doing laundry, I freaking hate the work necessary to procure food just so I can survive. I would really appreciate it if I can just work, collect my paycheck, and leave!
The way the commonplace understanding of work is… How I can’t just do a 10-99 contract for X months and leave. How I need to sign up for employment and sign up for retirement benefits to be cashed out in 30 years just to work now. How they think it’s some kind of feature that I want. How it’s frowned upon and I’m marked as "unreliable" if I leave without a "valid reason" like a medical emergency. Do you scrotebrains think I WANT to be at a job? Do you scrotebrains think I LIKE you? That I WANT to be there? I’d rather be at a festival!
I’m not trying to hurt you, kiddo. It’s just that I don’t care. Apparently, taking care of yourself is seen as greedy
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>But… People ARE replaceable in factories.
Mostly yes, though I know of examples where the company ended after the rainmaker left.
>What do you think is going to happen to the nation when you die? Everybody dies? Should the kids start from scratch every generation?
No. My point is that tech guys are a bit too naive and too easily swayed by psychopaths. Also that workplace politics are often destructive for no good reason other than for the personal benefit of the psychopaths.
>Work is just such a small portion of a human life.
True. Problem is, you have to work for 40 years to be able to retire.
>I’m not trying to hurt you, kiddo. It’s just that I don’t care. Apparently, taking care of yourself is seen as greedy
I have been through a lot but things got better. One of my greatest moments was when I was prosecutor’s witness against my psychopathic ex-boss whose delusion of adequacy had reached the point when any money in the company was fair game. These days I am in a position of power and keep my experiences in mind. -
ya know, I think we’re looking at the same problem with the same goals. Just from different angles. I think I’m looking at it from the bottom up, and you’re looking at it from the top down.
Maybe we can reach an agreement about a non-evil, prosperity-producing and freedom-respecting method of doing American industrialization if we work together.
How do you feel about the push for social culture as a means for employees to become more productive? Would you say that way is psychopathic?
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>ya know, I think we’re looking at the same problem with the same goals. Just from different angles.
I agree.
>I think I’m looking at it from the bottom up, and you’re looking at it from the top down.
I have been at the bottom. After I lost my job in a company implosion I realised I had to change career. It turned out I had little choice since I was considered too old to be a programmer anymore. That is when I started reading about org. theory. I have had a few promotions and I am now a partner with responsibility to my junior colleagues, and with my experiences in mind I do take that seriously.
>Maybe we can reach an agreement about a non-evil, prosperity-producing and freedom-respecting method of doing American industrialization if we work together.
Absolutely. And Tesla has given us food for thought: while much of the car industry were into "innovations" such as emission trickery and cartel activities to delay safety development, Tesla launched a car that want straight to the top in terms of pedestrian safety. There were no reason a startup should have been first with so many existing big car companies around. This had nothing to do with tech but everything to do with culture and bad leaders.
>How do you feel about the push for social culture as a means for employees to become more productive?
Our economy depends on continuing increase in productivity and as long as the means are ethical and up front honest it is fine with me.
>Would you say that way is psychopathic?
Not in itself, no.
What does trouble me is that the American dream of wealth through hard work is petering out, and that the middle class is under strain. Experience from Europe and South America show that crushing the middle class is bad news. I have no problem with people being rich but I am concerned that more work and more productivity does not result in more wealth in ordinary people. It is also bizarre it took over 30 years to realise the US middle class had stagnated. -
>ooops, it’s only january and i have no food left, i guess it’s time to die
It’s something like that but you’re not taking it far enough. It used to be that you will run out of food in the winter. So there was an advantage to having tall scrotebrained chuds around for all the back-breaking farming or hunting work that was needed.
Now that is no longer the case. We can produce all the food we need with very little labour. What gives you any advantage, more than ever in today’s environment, is your brain. But sexual selection is still stuck in the past where it was a constant physical fight to stay alive.
It’s the same with the obesity epidemic. Our instincts are still stuck in the past, where there were constant famines, and are now making us sick and dead.
The first culture, where people find intelligence genuinely hot, will be the culture that rules the galaxy.Maybe we can reach an agreement about a non-evil, prosperity-producing and freedom-respecting method of doing American industrialization if we work together.
How do you feel about the push for social culture as a means for employees to become more productive? Would you say that way is psychopathic?
>antifa chuds who do the bidding of authoritative govts and corporations LARP on the internet that they do not like corporations
>this chud even starts talking like HR about (((social culture)))
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I’m gonna need you to read the whole conversation. Start here:
You know, the main argument for megacorps and industrialization is that the products would become higher quality and cheaper. People still laugh at me when I say that hand-made stuff could be better than a factory. But your post sort of proves a good point: there is a size of a capitalistic company where the natural forces and checks and balances simply don’t apply anymore.
Really, I’ve seen small companies do good things, only to be bought out by these big megacorps and have their baby raped into corporate interest. What I want to know, though, is where these guys are, and if they’re still willing to do quality work on commission so I can just get a small pocket of quality for me and my family.
I’ve seen that the tech just hasn’t spread very well in America. Let me explain.
The companies get the reputation that they are the "experts in X" and so everybody just trusts them to do a good job. The argument is that they will do a good job, because if they don’t, then they won’t get the money. But, without competition, they will do the BARE MINIMUM to make the sale and the result is heavy advertisement and plastic bullshit.
But HOW did these guys to X? How can I tell if X was TRULY done well? Can I read the patent (Which is the spirit of IP law) to see what they did and determine if that is a good fit for my particular situation? People have just taken it on blind faith that "America is so great that we don’t NEED to learn" and as a result neglected the checks and balances that MAKE America great.
tl;dr: Everyone should read the book. Because no president (including Trump) will ever be able to do that for you.
I am against woke-ass corporate culture, but I want to see what
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I did go through it. all I saw was chuds pretending their ideology wasnt the reason for the current state of corporate culture and pushing it on capitalism.
remember, the second a corporation uses state/federal govt to pass laws against its opposition/competition. it isnt capitalistic but communistic due to state/federal power being involved.
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I mean, that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that megacorps should be broken down into smaller companies with one process per company. They should be local owned like a farmers field, and work should be like farm hand work until the person is ready to settle down and join a community, potentially starting their own company.
I’m also saying that people should focus on the task at hand, as opposed to other people (and what pronouns they use) when they’re in a professional environment.
How the hell did you link that to chudism or supporting the communistic megacorps?
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Not even the people I was responding to were chuds or woke-ass scrotebrains. They were pretty woke af and presenting real data about WHY things are the way they are from the corporate perspective.
Looks like rent-free is more than just a meme.
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In all your posts you used more meaningless buzzwords than the people you respond to
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>I am against woke-ass corporate culture, but I want to see what
Mostly yes, though I know of examples where the company ended after the rainmaker left.
>What do you think is going to happen to the nation when you die? Everybody dies? Should the kids start from scratch every generation?
No. My point is that tech guys are a bit too naive and too easily swayed by psychopaths. Also that workplace politics are often destructive for no good reason other than for the personal benefit of the psychopaths.
>Work is just such a small portion of a human life.
True. Problem is, you have to work for 40 years to be able to retire.
>I’m not trying to hurt you, kiddo. It’s just that I don’t care. Apparently, taking care of yourself is seen as greedy
I have been through a lot but things got better. One of my greatest moments was when I was prosecutor’s witness against my psychopathic ex-boss whose delusion of adequacy had reached the point when any money in the company was fair game. These days I am in a position of power and keep my experiences in mind. (You) thinks about it
I am also against that. Replacing psychopaths with wokeism is no improvement. Common decency does not involve virtue signalling. -
Work is just such a small portion of a human life.
When I look at my finances, I see that I need a certain amount of money. I look at the marketplace to see what I can do to make money. I’m not interested in starting a company just yet (not ready to settle down), so I look at already-existing companies to see if I can do something for them in exchange for money. It’s a trade. If I need more money, then I need to be more productive to somebody that needs it.
I see a great opportunity in well-defined systems for me to just grab a tool with minimal training and start being productive in under a week, under a day sometimes! I can work temporary contracts until my bills are paid, and then move on to doing the things I WANT to do.
People have been working like this for ages. Mexicans used to just cross the border in Texas during harvest time to harvest the fields in exchange for US dollars and then take the money back home to Mexico.
I freaking hate work. I freaking hate doing laundry, I freaking hate the work necessary to procure food just so I can survive. I would really appreciate it if I can just work, collect my paycheck, and leave!
The way the commonplace understanding of work is… How I can’t just do a 10-99 contract for X months and leave. How I need to sign up for employment and sign up for retirement benefits to be cashed out in 30 years just to work now. How they think it’s some kind of feature that I want. How it’s frowned upon and I’m marked as "unreliable" if I leave without a "valid reason" like a medical emergency. Do you scrotebrains think I WANT to be at a job? Do you scrotebrains think I LIKE you? That I WANT to be there? I’d rather be at a festival!
I’m not trying to hurt you, kiddo. It’s just that I don’t care. Apparently, taking care of yourself is seen as greedy
I would also like to stress that that is not dog-eat-dog but mutual understanding and trading in the marketplace. I will provide X hours of labor daily for X months in exchange for X dollars. I don’t understand how that’s seen as selfish or hateful. How it’s greedy for me to build up a surplus of money so that I can spend my day doing the things I want to do while I’m still young.
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>I would also like to stress that that is not dog-eat-dog but mutual understanding and trading in the marketplace.
A mutual understanding is always good, it avoids failed expectations. My experience in academia and industry has given me many examples of leaders abusing trust to build expectations beyond what is true and then crushing people like bugs.
>I will provide X hours of labor daily for X months in exchange for X dollars. I don’t understand how that’s seen as selfish or hateful.
I agree it is neither selfish or hateful, as long as that is what you were led to expect.
>How it’s greedy for me to build up a surplus of money so that I can spend my day doing the things I want to do while I’m still young.
that too is perfectly fine, and we have to do that in order to be able to afford retirement.
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Following up the second part of below:
You know, the main argument for megacorps and industrialization is that the products would become higher quality and cheaper. People still laugh at me when I say that hand-made stuff could be better than a factory. But your post sort of proves a good point: there is a size of a capitalistic company where the natural forces and checks and balances simply don’t apply anymore.
Really, I’ve seen small companies do good things, only to be bought out by these big megacorps and have their baby raped into corporate interest. What I want to know, though, is where these guys are, and if they’re still willing to do quality work on commission so I can just get a small pocket of quality for me and my family.
I’ve seen that the tech just hasn’t spread very well in America. Let me explain.
The companies get the reputation that they are the "experts in X" and so everybody just trusts them to do a good job. The argument is that they will do a good job, because if they don’t, then they won’t get the money. But, without competition, they will do the BARE MINIMUM to make the sale and the result is heavy advertisement and plastic bullshit.
But HOW did these guys to X? How can I tell if X was TRULY done well? Can I read the patent (Which is the spirit of IP law) to see what they did and determine if that is a good fit for my particular situation? People have just taken it on blind faith that "America is so great that we don’t NEED to learn" and as a result neglected the checks and balances that MAKE America great.
tl;dr: Everyone should read the book. Because no president (including Trump) will ever be able to do that for you.
>I’ve seen that the tech just hasn’t spread very well in America. Let me explain.
>The companies get the reputation that they are the "experts in X" and so everybody just trusts them to do a good job. The argument is that they will do a good job, because if they don’t, then they won’t get the money. But, without competition, they will do the BARE MINIMUM to make the sale and the result is heavy advertisement and plastic bullshit.
Culture is important. My understanding is that in Japan the companies felt responsible to the customers to deliver good quality. When I lived there I saw massively over-engineered appliances and other equipment unlike anything in the West.>But HOW did these guys to X?
In the West it is normal that these guys broke out of another company that made our guys frustrated. That meant they knew the market, the products and the customers.>How can I tell if X was TRULY done well?
With today’s complexities taht is hard. 40 years ago you could see that things lasted longer, ran smoother etc.>Can I read the patent (Which is the spirit of IP law) to see what they did and determine if that is a good fit for my particular situation?
Yes you can. That is in fact part of the reason for the patent system. Patent databases can be complex but many are free.>People have just taken it on blind faith that "America is so great that we don’t NEED to learn" and as a result neglected the checks and balances that MAKE America great.
That gave us the Japanese shock of the 80’s and the "quartz crisis" in the 70’s. I have several stories how the West in general and the US in particular were shocked by what Japanese companies were able to do, stories I read when I started out in QA.>tl;dr: Everyone should read the book. Because no president (including Trump) will ever be able to do that for you.
Which book, the one inWhat has been the biggest advancement since, the iPhone? Nothing major, jut faster smaller and better versions of what we already had.
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>Which book
I use that metaphorically, meaning that people should read about the things that they are doing. I really with there was one specific book that outlined it. Living in the US? Read the constitution. Driving a car? Know how an engine works. Eating farm-raised food? Know about agriculture. etc.Not just from books either. I’ve learned lots of things from lots of ways
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>I have several stories how the West in general and the US in particular were shocked by what Japanese companies were able to do
Please share. I would love to hear it
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The low hanging fruit has been picked.
The curve might have looked exponential but it wasn’t on long enough timeline and we’re now finding that out.
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Yep last 3-15 years
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Yep that’s when Moore’s law came to a screeching halt
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Yep and last year prices went insane as performance slips it’s happening
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Conclusion: development peaked in 1978, stagnation had a through in 2010 but is on the increase. We are in trouble.
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absolutely not, only the coomsumer market has turned to shit because we’ve never had so many scrotebrains with money at any point in history so why release new cutting-edge tech when you can sell trash to people and they come back for more of the same shit in slightly different color every year?
there is no such thing as an evil elite that plot against muh small people in fact we get exactly what we deserve and what we voted for.
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Without buying into conspiracy theories of evil elites, surely there would be a market for people who want something beyond the immediate garbage?
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>surely there would be a market for people who want something beyond the immediate garbage?
appliances are made to break within a few years, it’s getting harder if not impossible to find a good fridge or washing machine these days and repairing them is getting even harder…
also anything with software in it is locked with DRM.
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>we get exactly what we deserve and what we voted for.
exceedingly and increasingly dumb consumers do not preclude evil elites.
rather, the increase in imbecility suggests malice:
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6674
"purely environmental"
https://scholarworks.utep.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2339&context=cs_techrep
"its happening but dont be alarmed"evil elites arent a conspiracy theory but an observable fact throughout all space and time.
the difference between good and bad societies has always been the ability and willingness of the masses to keep them on their toes.>save your people with mutts
good job fixing it scrotebrain.
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It took more than five minutes for some scrotebrain come into this thread to blame capitalism. You idiots are getting slow. Step it up.
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Posts in this thread have been much more than "capitalism bad".
Try reading the thread before posting shit.
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If you want to own the technology yes if you don’t care about that and don’t want it to last more than a few years then it’s still moving forward but not as fast as before
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Is technological development even desirable?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technopoly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tools_for_Conviviality-
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technopoly
A pile of garbage written by a media theorist and cultural critic, who despised technology, and ended up dying of lung cancer. It is a desperate argument for handing all control of tech over to self declared intellectual luddites, a concept I see too often.Technological development has done more to better human conditions than any literature critic ever did.
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all im seeing is ad hominem attacks and a fallacious insinuation that because he died of lung cancer we must reject what he said, and embrace technocracy.
if he died of cancer,
then so did marie curie,
so did the hibakusha in hiroshima and nagasaki,
so did the marshall islanders in bikini atoll and wherever else nuclear weapons were tested,
and so did all the people dealing with radioactive fallout from chernobyl.on the whole it is likely that technology has had many orders of magnitude more victims than beneficiciaries.
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>all im seeing is ad hominem attacks and a fallacious insinuation that because he died of lung cancer we must reject what he said, and embrace technocracy.
No. I just pointed out that he rejected modern technological development where parts of it could have helped him. While there is no single cure for all forms of cancer, science has made great strides in curing many forms.
It is not clear why you drag Marie Curie into this as she did a lot for science and I cannot remember reading that she wanted to stop science. And she did a lot to help people.
>on the whole it is likely that technology has had many orders of magnitude more victims than beneficiciaries.
Got a source for that? At least around here the life expectancy has increased dramatically the last 100 years.
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It took less time to invent and build a new nuclear energy plant than it takes TODAY just to build a nuclear plant.
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I don’t think we are stagnating however every tech advance you see published on papers might not be consumer ready yet.
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A world that worships Elon Musk as a scientific hero and a genious is probably doomed.
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It is not about worship, it is about realising he is all we have. And that means we are definitely doomed.
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14 year olds overly online is not the world. Everyday there’s interesting breakthroughs but they’re made by pretty much anonymous research teams and engineers.
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You mean garden gnome vaccines and garden gnomed cars? No thanks rabbi
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>in vitro embryo growth is still illegal past 14 days
>nuclear energy is verboten
>western countries have violated freedom of association
>the protein folding problem has still not be solvedI’m going back to bed. Wake me up when even a smidgen of progress happens on any of this shit.
Hard mode caveats: progress outside of israel and china, and without meme-AI involved>but muh google deep ai solved the protein folding problem
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Even soft mode is too hard. I can only conclude you have cracked the secret of long term hibernation.
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