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Is Indonesia woke af for digital nomads and general life quality as opposed to Thailand? Where to stay? I am looking for a modern place with good infrastructure and good food. Jakarta or Bali? I don’t wanna put up with Thailand’s requirements. Indonesia doesn’t require quarantine
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Its cheap af, i hungout in bekasi, but there has been an increase in african immigration and students in jakarta
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Absolutely freaking disgusting idea to fly al the way to Indonesia to be surrounded by scrotes…
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i left anyways mainly because it was too warm and crowded, it was funny seeing indonesian women walking around with a blasian kid, when the father obviously left lmao
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Surprised to hear that. Wouldn’t having a child out of wedlock be the end of their social lives in that culture?
Try to get a drink in India.
so which is it then, do muslims destroy freedom or do they drink booze and kick it? scrotebrain.
Accepting a law, promoting a law, and secretly breaking it on a regular basis isn’t what you’d call free in any political or cultural sense. At some point they should feel a sense of contradiction, maybe a desire to act differently or to change the law, but they don’t.
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>Try to get a drink in India.
how come? alcohol is easily available in most places in india-
It’s not cheap
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Only if you buy imported booze. The local stuff is cheap.
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where did you stay in Bekasi ? i spent a few months there last year, cheap place, nice food everywhere. I hungout mostly in Bekasi Timur
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I had a Batak gf in bekasi but she unironically left me for some black guy
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> there has been an increase in african immigration and students in jakarta
Umm…okay. What has that got to do with anything?
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just thought i’d give you a heads up just incase youd get shocked when you get there
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Oh, okay m8.
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I went to Jakarta for a few days in 2018. While I normally enjoy concrete jungles, Jakarta was probably one of the most abjectly boring cities I’ve visited. If you ask the locals what there’s to do for fun, they’ll almost always stare blankly, think for a few minutes, and then begin rattling off the names of different shopping malls.
Jakarta, in a nutshell, is an extremely boring, hot, humid, and crowded city. I say that as someone who loves places like Delhi and Mumbai and Bogota; but those cities at least have history and culture and nightlife, whereas Jakarta’s comparably bland by most any measure.
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I am from Bogota and don’t know why you weren’t able to enjoy Jakarta. It’s literally the same freaking shit, except greener and hotter. Nightlife might not be as active here but they have other things to make up for it like their cuisine. Our nightlife is also nowhere as wild as Medellin’s, and there’s fuckall to do here in the day aside from visiting couple museums and malls, just like in Jakarta.
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Jakarta, in a nutshell, is an extremely boring, hot, humid, and crowded city. I say that as someone who loves places like Delhi and Mumbai and Bogota; but those cities at least have history and culture and nightlife, whereas Jakarta’s comparably bland by most any measure.
I hear they really like their football in Jakarta. Mite b cool to see a game as long as ya dont get murdered.
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>le local shits on his own city meme
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Would you rather I cope hard and say how my city is literally perfect and full of great food and activities? It’s a third world city for fuck’s sake.
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Taking Bangkok and Hong Kong as a point of reference, how can Jakarta compare?
If it’s that bad, then maybe I should go to Bali instead? I don’t know how dead it is during the pandemic.-
Jakarta is leagues behind Bangkok and incomparable with HK.
Literally the worst city I’ve been: pollution, traffic, poverty, nothing to do.
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Which city do you recommend in Indonesia?
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yogjakarta
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all asian cities are polluted and way dirtier than detr
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I recommend Canggu. fast internet, coffee, surf, cheap fewd and cool bars..
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indonesia is a pretty boring country in general apart from a few resort islands. also there are too many freaking muslims everywhere
malaysia would be a better bet. it has many of the same problems that indonesia has (e.g. pollution and traffic in cities, massive corruption) but on the whole life is a bit better there- there are still loads of muslims, but they are offset by the sizeable chinese population (and smaller hindu population)-
Thats good I’m Muslim so it works well for food
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Indonesia feels like the next great travel place, it’s cheap up and coming and so much diversity the only issue is the extremist Muslims.
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>extremist Muslims.
99% of Muslims are extremist. It’s an extreme religion.-
What an orange-pilled thing to say.
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Its true, if someone is going to blow themselves up for a religion, its gonna be a Muslim.
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I didn’t say it was false, I said it was orange-pilled. Make of that what you will.
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Muslim Malays/Indonesians, though not exactly that tolerant are by far the most moderate Muslims in the world. They are a lot more relaxed than Arabs and actually show genuine respect for their pre-Islamic past. It’s completely normal for Muslims parents to give old Hindu names to their kids for example and Hindu scripture, considered as a mythology of course, is rather popular as Greek or Roman myths are in the West. f course i readily admit you won’t find the kind of freedom you can have in other SEA countries.
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wow so moderate!
48% of 267 million people believe in stoning to death as punishment for adultery.
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certainly in malaysia they don’t have the death penalty for apostasy, although there are a lot of people who would support it (it does exist as a statute, but is not implemented). but even so, for a malay leaving islam is a kind of "virtual death"- they are socially excluded, have their passport confiscated, are ordered to attend re-brainwashing sessions, and if all that still doesn’t work they still have to have their case heard in a sharia court, and if that succeeds (many are refused) they effectively become a persona non grata. many leave the country.
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again so tolerant.
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>actually show genuine respect for their pre-Islamic past
no they don’t, they whitewash that period out of their history. they tolerate the orang asli tribes and their beliefs but they are always trying to convert them. try visiting the national museum in kl with a non muslim, they will tell you just how much of their history has been painted over by the muslims
>Hindu scripture, considered as a mythology of course, is rather popular
you might find a few malays who are curious about their hindu fellow malaysians, who are the poorest section of society and are routinely excluded from jobs and so on, but officially malays are deterred from reading about other religions in case it taints their poor muslim brains.
of course it is permitted for muslims to proselytise to non muslims and put pressure on them to convert. the other way around is illegal. pic related, the back of a book i picked up in a buddhist temple somewhere in malaysia.
religion and society are a curious mix in malaysia. interesting place. i spend a lot of time there.
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What is the orange pill and how do I take it?
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Take a red pill with the active ingredient removed, then play the game by your opponent’s rules. Always react to what other people are doing instead of making them react. Respond to things at face value. Have lots of "views," because life is a forum debate.
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Doesn’t make sense for the post then that you replied too.
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Religion can only be opposed with religion, not reason. Tell other secular westerners about your objections to non-secular Islam, and best case scenario… You agree to not discriminate on the basis of religion, like those baddies do? It’s like objecting to a football team when you don’t play football or even support an opposing team, i.e. it’s utterly passive.
It’s also looking at religion and thinking, "Wow, I totally agree/disagree with this religious thinkers opinions, let me write him a reply," when in reality religions fit the inborn nature of their populations the way water fits the shape of a glass.
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It’s cheap but it’s a third world Muslim country.
There’s a reason people only go to Bali, or: the one island that isn’t Muslim-
Why? Because you can have alcohol?
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Muslims scary
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no it’s because muslims are pieces of shit who destroy any kind of freedom wherever they go
also there are plenty of muslims around that area (malaysia, indonesia) who drink alcohol even if they are not supposed to. drugs too, the highest number of drugs cases in malaysia is in the malay muslim population (75% of cases compared to ~60% of population)-
so which is it then, do muslims destroy freedom or do they drink booze and kick it? scrotebrain.
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stupid comment. idiot.
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Unironically yes
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I thought so, very superficial, but whatever clots your boat
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the worst part about muslims is the prayer call in the morning, or evening.
it just fills the air with a sense of dread, and hopelessness.
on another note, I found most Indonesians are quite pleasant people.
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This might be colored by my experiences residing in Japan but Indonesians come off as very docile in my experience. There’s quite a few at a university near me and they aren’t as boisterous as the Viets or as outgoing as the Filipinos and Thais around here.
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Sense of dread for helpless atheists
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It’s great if you use it to wake up at that time. Why wouldn’t you?
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>dread, and hopelessness
Subhanallah, the adhan fills the kaffir’s heart with fear
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>digital nomads
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Islamic shit hole
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Literally, except for Bali. It’s like 90% Hindu and digital nomads run the island at this point.
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>digital nomads
lmao more like sexpats, instathots and bogans
I found a map of Indonesian religions and filled in some island names.
Is Flores anything like the Philippines, culturally?Apologies for the small font, the original image is tiny. Try Ctrl =.
tidak saya pikir itu seperti daerah lain di NTT kecuali agamanya berubah
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I found a map of Indonesian religions and filled in some island names.
Is Flores anything like the Philippines, culturally?Apologies for the small font, the original image is tiny. Try Ctrl =.
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I have made a less awful map, but the base of this one doesn’t make any distinction between the syncretic and puritan strains of Islam in Indonesia.
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Why is that part on the right "probably not a good idea"?
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There’s a low intensity civil war going on. The government has been importing hundreds of thousands of Muslim settlers over the past few decades and the native Papuans have tried fighting back for their survival.
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Bump. I travelled in SEA for ages, but Indonesia was always kind of a blind spot.
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Theres no quarantine? How about visa?
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