In terms of human achievement, will Alexander ever be surpassed?

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    • #183086
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      In terms of human achievement, will he ever be surpassed?

    • #183087
      Anonymous
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      >"Napoleon/Hannibal/Zhukov was a better commander than Alexander"
      >mfw

      • #183112
        Anonymous
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        Augustus, Diocletian and Napoleon all did more

        He was.

        Woke af answers
        Middle eastern generals are the best

        • #183113
          Anonymous
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          >Middle Eastern

          • #183115
            Anonymous
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            >Middle eastern generals are the best

            They are E-M34 you snowtep scrotes!

            • #183117
              Anonymous
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              • #183176
                Anonymous
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                At least Achaemenid lasted one piece for 200 years

                • #183178
                  Anonymous
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                  And got destroyed by the ancient world’s equivalent of trailer trash. Great military prowess they had!

                  • #183179
                    Anonymous
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                    achaemenids were responsible for some of the earliest prototype of basic rights, the first explicit ones even though some primitive forms were already there in the hammurabi code. now, in comparison to that, what’s alexandre’s actual legacy? hellenization? what a vague achievement

                    • #183180
                      Anonymous
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                      Fuck off farroukh. He raped the persikoi like the little eunuchs that they were. That’s good enough.
                      >what a vague achievement
                      Kek, cope.

        • #183114
          Anonymous
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          >Middle eastern generals are the best

      • #183134
        Anonymous
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        Imagine believing that Napoleon was ever surpassed.

        • #183141
          Anonymous
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          >-5 war
          i know many a engineering professor that would rape fuck you for this graph

        • #183143
          Anonymous
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          that data is literally just properly formatted english language wikipedia articles and purely win loss. Most asian battles arent even in english wikipedia. Shits scrotebrained.

          • #183145
            Anonymous
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            >Most asian battles arent even in english wikipedia
            Most asian battles were inconsequential to history because they came from conformist cultures

            • #183146
              Anonymous
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              they are relavant to a freaking chart that purports to show who is the greatest general woke af on amount of battles fought and won.

        • #183148
          Anonymous
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          The methodology behind this is shit, the ‘data’ is subjective, and its woke af on the idea that a good general is determined by how good he is at winning pitched battles. Your pic is literally just a portrait of the cavity in a subzero IQ person’s skull. have a nice day.

          Oh and napoleon lost the greater war he was fighting (twice) which I guess just goes to show how scrotebrained this is.

          • #183149
            Anonymous
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            nta, I distinctly think Nappy has surpassed Al, even though I know more about Alex’ campaigns than I do about Napoleon.
            He was literally the protagonist beset on all sides by enemies. He’s literally a shonen hero, except real life is not a shonen. Which is why he lost.

      • #183157
        Anonymous
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        Hannibal marched his army from Spain to Italy and then went back to Africa after pillaging Roman settlements in areas he couldn’t siege. He won some big battles but he didn’t do anything of importance in the long term and his empire was crushed as a result of his actions. Like crushed worse than Nazi Germany. I don’t see how he is remotely on par with Alexander.

        You could argue for Napoleon fine. But then you throw in zhukav, that crushed an inferior army with help of the entire west and the Soviet union’s production and manpower…. Ummm okay. Like Hannibal he was a good general. Nothing more.

    • #183088
      Anonymous
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      >get handed a world-class army as a teenager
      >army is days away from a meticulously planned invasion
      >go ahead with invasion
      >win
      >continue to win more campaigns
      >never bother to designate an heir in case you die
      >never bother to do anything at all besides use daddy’s army to dab on sand scrotes
      >die at 31, guaranteeing the empire crumbles into pieces
      He was outdone many times over by Julius Caesar, Augustus, Genghis Khan, Hernan Cortez, Napoleon, and many others. Being handed Daddy’s army at 19 and ensuring that the empire you win does with you 12 years later is entirely unimpressive compared to all of those figures.

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      • #183128
        Anonymous
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        >>get handed a world-class army as a teenager
        and?
        >>army is days away from a meticulously planned invasion
        the original invasion under parmenion got decisively repelled akshually
        >>never bother to designate an heir in case you die
        Argeads don’t assign heirs. They beget heirs. They believed they were descended from Herakles, which is why the other Macedonian tribes let them rule (with the occasional pretender claim).
        Other than that, he started trying to get an heir at 27. Not too old, tbqfh.
        >>never bother to do anything at all besides use daddy’s army to dab on sand scrotes
        no
        >>die at 31, guaranteeing the empire crumbles into pieces
        Naw. If that scrotebrain Perdiccas didn’t chimp out, the empire may have lasted longer under his son

        >He was outdone
        he has been. yes

        • #183130
          Anonymous
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          People also forget that at the time of his death his wife was pregnant with his son. It´s questionable wether an heir would have stopped the diadochi.

          • #183131
            Anonymous
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            When he said, "To the strongest!" They were supposed to have a wrestling tournament right then and there, and the winner would take the Lovely Miss Roxanna’s hand in marriage and raise Alexander’s Heir as the New Alexander, as Alexander, the name itself, would become the new title of the world monarch.

            That was Alexander’s obvious meaning and intention. Literal "Gladiatocracy."

            • #183140
              Anonymous
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              The freaking Diadochi fabricated the strongest line. The guy was probably in a coma up until his final days, but was lucid enough to give Perdiccas his seal for REGENCY.
              There was no other way it could have gone down really. Alexander needed to have an heir that was like him or better in order to maintain and expand on his conquest, just as he had lived up to Philip before him.

              the people that invented the nuke probably had a bigger impact on humanity as whole

              Mark succ also has a huge impact. I love Alex but OP was baiting.

      • #183166
        Anonymous
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        This he was a wreckless trust fund kid

      • #183181
        Anonymous
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        This has been debated to death by historians and this is only one opinion of Alexander.

        While yes he had a first class army, he was every bit a brilliant commander and his Balkan campaign is evidence of that. His conquest of the Persian Empire would not have been possible without both of those factors.

        • #183182
          Anonymous
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          The trust fund argument is scrotebrained since every person who has achieved anything in history ever has had a certain degree of privilege.
          But there’s also a buttload of trust fund kiddies who don’t even come close to their fathers’ repute and accomplishments, despite having a headstart, and the majority of them actually squander their fund and fail.
          And it’s also funny because the world class army wasn’t even static under his rule but kept getting changes and adapting in strategy and shit.

    • #183089
      Anonymous
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      I will.

    • #183090
      Anonymous
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      Yes Alexander is unparalleled in the "rapid demise of Empire" department.

      Not even steppenomad empires lose their realms faster thab Alex did.

      • #183098
        Anonymous
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        >Not even steppenomad empires lose their realms faster thab Alex did.

        The Mongol empire continued to expand for 150 years after Genghis Khan’s death. His last ruling descendant, Alim Khan, was deposed in 1920.

    • #183091
      Anonymous
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      He’s not even better than his dad.

    • #183092
      Anonymous
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      Augustus, Diocletian and Napoleon all did more

      • #183093
        Anonymous
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        • #183096
          Anonymous
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          scrote Napoleon made the the corps system and an entire legal code by himself show me any political or military reform of note done by alex and no his inspiration was ceaser
          >Inb4 plutarch anecdote about ceaser crying next to his statue
          Yeah you gonna need more evidence to say that happened,Oh and napoleon was winning almost for 20 years since he was 2nd Lt. to emperor much more impressive than an hier to the most powerful king of the time.

          • #183099
            Anonymous
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            he never lost a battle, what about nappy, that scrote wellington btfo nappy and he was dumber than him, how embarrassing

            • #183100
              Anonymous
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              Warfare then=warefare in Napoleon times i said give me any political contribution lasting to today and you gave nothing
              >Muh never lost a battle!
              You’re like germboos with their k/d wank

            • #183104
              Anonymous
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              >he never lost a battle, what about nappy

              The reason Alexander never lost a battle was because he only fought 4. Napoleon fought 60.

              • #183106
                Anonymous
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                >with 4 battles, he conquered all of this

                holy woke af

                • #183154
                  Anonymous
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                  4 major pitched battles, he fought quite a few others including sieges and a multi year guerrilla war in baktria

                • #183193
                  Anonymous
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                  Redpill me on Epirus, Bithynia and Pontus

              • #183111
                Anonymous
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                >The reason Alexander never lost a battle was because he only fought 4.

                Whatever metric you used to arrive at this figure, you need to . . . not even recalibrate, just throw it out. It’s trash. I’d believe he fought four battles in one day before I believe he fought four battles GRAND TOTAL. Fuck right off.

              • #183129
                Anonymous
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                >4
                Are we talking just about the pitched battles?
                We’re not taking into account the hundreds of battles in Sogdiana/Bactria alone?
                I mean, yeah. Sure.

            • #183107
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              Wellington was a genius, he told his men to lay down behind slopes instead of standing up on flat ground to receive enemy fire.

              Talk about a freaking brainiac. Talk about hitting a target no one else can even fuckin’ SEE…

              • #183109
                Anonymous
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                >Wellington was a genius

                • #183116
                  Anonymous
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                  His kill ratios are the most impressive of any commander in History according to a survey done by West Point. He killed the most enemy soldiers while suffering the least losses while being the most outnumbered.

                  I mean . . . if he’s not a genius then he must have been the luckiest son of a bitch born under the luckiest star there ever was.

                  • #183118
                    Anonymous
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                    this is just angloid flattering lmao, he wouldnt even have a carreer if napoleon didn´t existed

                    • #183121
                      Anonymous
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                      If a middle eastern bvll haven’t seeded a white european woman napoleon wouldn’t have existed
                      All ‘your’ achievements have middle eastern roots

                      • #183122
                        Anonymous
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                        read a book nafri

                      • #183123
                        Anonymous
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                        >minoans
                        Anatolian farmer + Mesopotamian copper age migrants
                        Thanks for proving my point

                      • #183125
                        Anonymous
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                        >we wuzz europeans n shiieeett

                        fuck off nafri

                      • #183132
                        Anonymous
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                        Half Europeans are anatolian farmers, dude

                      • #183127
                        Anonymous
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                        So are you Asian or gnomish?

                    • #183126
                      Anonymous
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                      Scipio Africanus wouldn’t have a career without Hannibal.

                      So what’s your point? Wellington smashed armies 6-10x his size all the time, and armies led by famous generals and warlords who had success against everyone else until they ran into Wellington, who made Napoleon recall them one after another in disgrace.

                      If you wanted to get real, we could talk about Waterloo itself.

                      We could talk about the fact that Napoleon was one of the greatest tactical minds in History and also one of the worst strategic minds, and we could talk about strategy being the far more important part of what commonly refer to as "military genius."

                      We could talk about the fact that Napoleon became so innured to the death and dismemberment of his own troops by the end of his career that he even abandoned TACTICS and simply ordered his men forward in waves such as at Borodino.

                      We could have all kinds of interesting discussions. I don’t want to derail somebody else’s Alexander thread into a debate about Napoleon and Wellington.

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              Anonymous
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                Anonymous
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                >m-muh persian gate
                >w-what is tactical retreat
                Cope. It’s considered a win in his favor because he did come back and slaughter the persian force there.

          • #183102
            Anonymous
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            I don’t see why the "corps system" is so revolutionary.

            The idea of small armies that can operate independently and also combine with each other and converge on certain points all at once . . . surely that wasn’t a new idea at the time? Even with combined arms?

            Was it? I’m genuinely asking. Didn’t Napoleon just do what everybody was trying to do but more efficiently?

            I mean yes, that’s impressive, but not the same thing as inventing the concept out of thin air without having any predecessors to study and learn and borrow from.

            Am I wrong?

          • #183108
            Anonymous
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            >Napoleon made the the corps system
            He didn’t actually. That was Turenne, France’s greatest general prior to the rise of Napoleon.

        • #183101
          Anonymous
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          >Alexander did something so nobody else can
          Napoleon was greater than Alexander. His civil and legal reforms changed the face of the West. His forceful spread of enlightenment bought an end to the old world of feudalism and the Ancien Régime across Europe. His military reforms were copied by all the world and still make up one of the most fundamental parts of modern military organization. Even in military accomplishments Napoleon outdoes Alexander, being ‘undefeated’ does not make you a better general. Even with his back against the wall the 6 days campaign was a campaign like no other.

          • #183105
            Anonymous
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            >being ‘undefeated’ does not make you a better general
            To the extent that Alexander was undefeated, yeah, it does.

            And say what you want about Alexander he didn’t watch his empire crumble to pieces before being exiled to an isolated island to seethe until his death

            • #183110
              Anonymous
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              >he didn’t watch his empire crumble to pieces
              How does that make him any different from Napoleon? They are both Empires reliant on one one and without him fail. The legacy of Napoleons Empire is greater than Alexander’s Empire, Napoleon left behind more behind than Alexander and 300 years of successors ever did.

              • #183168
                Anonymous
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                scrotebrain, after Alexander the eastern mediterranean was hellenized for more than 500 years and persioids NEVER conquered Anatolia ever again.

            • #183120
              Anonymous
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              More like Alexander didn’t live long enough to watch his empire crumble into dust.

              • #183124
                Anonymous
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                Beta hypothetical without any proof.
                Stay made.

    • #183094
      Anonymous
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      >*lasts only 140 years fragmented into empirelets*

    • #183095
      Anonymous
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      Temujin was born an illiterate slave with no political connections and no advantages of person, of family, or of means.

      And he conquered 20x as much with an army he raised himself by conquering and conscripting the soldiers of 50 different tribes that had been warring against each other since their earliest History and had never, ever been united by a single ruler before.

      He led this confederation of nomadic tribes against the four mightiest powers of the 13th century, civilizations far far larger, richer, and more technologically advanced and politically sophisticated.

      And he fuckin’ SMOKED ’em.

      • #183200
        Anonymous
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        >He led this confederation of nomadic tribes against the four mightiest powers of the 13th century, civilizations far far larger, richer, and more technologically advanced and politically sophisticated.

        >And he fuckin’ SMOKED ’em.
        Gonna have to go roll with this guy

    • #183097
      Anonymous
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      He was.

      • #183194
        Anonymous
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        someday i will find you be ready

    • #183133
      Anonymous
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      He was already surpassed by Genghis Khan.

      • #183137
        Anonymous
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        Genghis Khan died prior to most of the impressive conquering.

      • #183138
        Anonymous
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        Genghis Khan died prior to most of the impressive conquering.

        Why do people think Genghis ws the one the conquered everything up to East Europe when in reality he spend most of his time trying to conquer Ching Chong Bing Bong territories.

        • #183139
          Anonymous
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          Because they don’t bother to study history. I think Genghis did have a larger territory than Alexander at the time of his death, but a lot of it was steppe which is easy mode.

          • #183144
            Anonymous
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            Plus you know china, and persia……

        • #183142
          Anonymous
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          You mean the most populous riches, and most powerful nations on the planet? Ghengis Khan, far surpasses Alexander. Not even close. I am more impressed honestly by his dad Phillip, and nobody gave Ghengis Khan the greatest army the world had ever seen.

          • #183147
            Anonymous
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            >Ghengis Khan, far surpasses Alexander.
            God. Steppescrotes need a reality check.

          • #183151
            Anonymous
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            >Ghengis Khan
            80% of his empire was steppe inhabited by nomads. Alex atleast conquered normal civilized people (45-50% of humanity).

    • #183135
      Anonymous
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      the people that invented the nuke probably had a bigger impact on humanity as whole

    • #183136
      Anonymous
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    • #183150
      Anonymous
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      Alexander, Caesar and Napoleon scrotes should be gassed

      • #183152
        Anonymous
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        >Caesar
        What he conquered besides Gaul and why he is compared to Alexander and Napoleon?

        • #183153
          Anonymous
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          his fanboys are just as insufferable

          • #183169
            Anonymous
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            Contrarian scrote actually give reasoning in regards to the subject himself first instead of whoever called you a slur on LULZ 2 weeks ago

        • #183156
          Anonymous
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          Shakespeare’s dramatization of his assassination could be credited for much of the infamy. Ironically, Pompey was objectively the more competent general (in his youth) but is entirely in the shadow of Caesar because of the outcome of the civil war.
          That being said, it’s not fair to minimize Caesar’s instrumental role in the shaping of Rome, and therefore history in its entirety. The fall of the republic is attributed to him. Dynasties millenium after his death call upon his name as a symbol of imperial grandness. Personally, I think the title Augustus is more worthy of veneration of Caesar/Kaiser/Tsar or whatever. Eh.
          I place Napoleon highest in terms of achievements, even if I’m personally an Alexboo. Alexander (for his time) did manage to reach world dominion (inb4 indianscrotes crying about him just conquering muh pakistan, that’s a cope and you know it), but Napoleon’s precarious opposition, and the fact that his story is closer to ours, rendering him more human and less the mythic figure that Alex became, and therefore more impressive overall. Waterloo considered.
          All three men where a product of their time and their circumstances. One could subjectively place one over the other 2, but this isn’t an objective classification with stats and points and shit.

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          • #183160
            Anonymous
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            >dubious model with less than accurate data scraped from *keels over to barf* W*k*p*d**
            Yeah. I heckin’ LOVE artificial intelligence

            • #183161
              Anonymous
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              Cope harder.

              • #183162
                Sage
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                >c-cope
                Seethe, cope, Dil8. You know the drill.

                • #183163
                  Anonymous
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                  Keep coping.

      • #183155
        Anonymous
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        Caesar was the ablest of the 3

    • #183158
      Anonymous
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      He was surpassed a long time ago by some one who is impossible to surpass.

      Picrel.

      • #183172
        Anonymous
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        >entire socioreligious system rejected by the people he """conquered""" who went right back to worshipping the (((brahmin)))

    • #183164
      Anonymous
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      Imagine an entire empire united under Sol Invictus.

    • #183165
      Anonymous
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      >Expands his empire through fortunate diplomacy and some quick wars only for it to collapse the moment he died
      or
      >Literally saves the world from collapsing and ensures the legacy of Rome will be eternal all in 5 years

    • #183170
      Anonymous
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      >In terms of human achievement, will he ever be surpassed?
      what did he achieve other than destroying things and making people suck up to him? truly the world would do better without him. even the folk tale about him and the pirate or him and diogenes made him better than what he actually was in real life

      • #183171
        Anonymous
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        Are you a woman?

      • #183174
        Anonymous
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        I can smell the poo from across the screen, kek.
        >destroying things
        Oh, it’s you Farroukh? Dilate.

    • #183175
      Anonymous
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      Why did he kept killing his fellow greeks during his campaigns?

      • #183177
        Anonymous
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        He needed le money, and he needed to send a message to Ath*nians that rebellion will get squashed.
        Moreover, fellow greeks proved to be treacherous bugs more often than not during the campaign.

    • #183183
      Anonymous
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      Alexander is the greatest conqueror in history, not the greatest statesman, not the wisest ruler, just the greatest conqueror.

    • #183195
      Anonymous
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      Depends on what you consider human achievement.
      In terms of conquest Genghis surpassed him.

      • #183197
        Anonymous
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        When you say surpass in conquest, do you mean landmass or the actual generalship displayed in battles?

    • #183196
      Anonymous
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      >Conquer the world
      >Refuses to elaborate further
      >freaking dies

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