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I am leaving the Catholic Church to become a Lutheran
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Woke af
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https://i.4cdn.org/his/1633171447365.webm
One of the best decisions I ever made.
I had very earnest conversations with trusted priests and other people in my former Catholic community, really trying hard to work my way through spiritual issues. But I found the major roadblock was not my own wanting of Christ but how the Catholic church was set up that was impeding spiritual progress. Eventually this led to further questioning and I had a harder and harder time accepting the whole premise. I now believe apostolic succession is a bit of a survival of the fittest situation where the prevailing orthodoxy is presumed to be true because it’s lead by the Holy Spirit and it must be the exclusive truth because it has stomped, censored, burned, excommunicated, and otherwise destroyed all of its rivals.Many Catholics and Orthodox ask Protestants questions like, "What did the Christians of x year think about this issue" and they have some strong supporting arguments with church fathers but from just looking at the scripture it’s clear that the message of Christ was immediate and overabundant in grace towards anyone who believed in him, even those who only confessed belief in the last moments of their life or people who made the most basic signs of faith like the woman who thought she would be healed by merely touching the clothing of Christ. They did not have orthodoxy or works, merely faith and Hope with a capital H. In Lutheran theology in particular I find this overabundance of grace as it’s so called very evident and I soon stopped asking, "What does tradition hold" and started asking, "If Jesus was right in front of me what would be true".
In thinking of faith as a matter of how Christ has saved me more than what I must do to be worthy of communion or confession or to be saved I ironically find myself doing far good works while not living in constant despair over what Christ has called "his light yoke" that is the faith.
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all these cringe tik tok pastors are Unitarians.
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This one is from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
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woke af
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I just left my Protestant church to become a Catholic. Have fun on the other side.
Thank you for the reminder.
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basef
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>I am leaving Jesus to join Lucifer
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One of the best decisions I ever made.
I had very earnest conversations with trusted priests and other people in my former Catholic community, really trying hard to work my way through spiritual issues. But I found the major roadblock was not my own wanting of Christ but how the Catholic church was set up that was impeding spiritual progress. Eventually this led to further questioning and I had a harder and harder time accepting the whole premise. I now believe apostolic succession is a bit of a survival of the fittest situation where the prevailing orthodoxy is presumed to be true because it’s lead by the Holy Spirit and it must be the exclusive truth because it has stomped, censored, burned, excommunicated, and otherwise destroyed all of its rivals.Many Catholics and Orthodox ask Protestants questions like, "What did the Christians of x year think about this issue" and they have some strong supporting arguments with church fathers but from just looking at the scripture it’s clear that the message of Christ was immediate and overabundant in grace towards anyone who believed in him, even those who only confessed belief in the last moments of their life or people who made the most basic signs of faith like the woman who thought she would be healed by merely touching the clothing of Christ. They did not have orthodoxy or works, merely faith and Hope with a capital H. In Lutheran theology in particular I find this overabundance of grace as it’s so called very evident and I soon stopped asking, "What does tradition hold" and started asking, "If Jesus was right in front of me what would be true".
In thinking of faith as a matter of how Christ has saved me more than what I must do to be worthy of communion or confession or to be saved I ironically find myself doing far good works while not living in constant despair over what Christ has called "his light yoke" that is the faith.
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Is the canon of scripture infallible?
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No and I do not believe the Bible is inerrant either, and I base my reasoning solely on an individualistic perspective so yours and most really will vary, my perspective is also not fully orthodox according to my denomination.
Looking back at the first century or two of Christianity we see a diversity of texts considered scripture including some writings of the apostolic fathers that were almost considered scripture such as the Didache but ultimately were not decided as revealed scripture. Therefore I hold that to be a believing Christian is not dependent on adhering to a specific set of books , especially when it took hundreds of years before any Christian could have a definitive answer to this problem in the first place.
My basis of necessary information to not be considered heretic and to be considered a saved Christian is far more lax than most nowadays. I would accept that even many Mormons or Jehova’s Witnesses are saved despite the obvious heresy all over the place in their churches, and I also consider most Catholic or Orthodox saved though I reject apostolic succession wholesale. While it is obviously good to call out people who distort the faith our purpose as Christians is not to divide and rule according to a specific line in the sand, as Jesus himself has shown in his example to forgive anyone who has showed even the slightest faith in him. I assume you like most Christians believe in the fewness of the saved, while personally I believe that any who calls Jesus their Lord and acts as such is saved. I agree with much of David Bentley Hart in "That All Shall Be Saved" even though we are on completely opposite ends of the Christian spectrum.
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>Fantastic news anons! Welcome to your new church, this is your new bishop. Come inside, tonight there is a holy wedding! Kevin and John are gonna profess their oaths of eternal love in front of God, exactly as them (we cant know which gender God would prefer, so better be neutral!) ordered in the holy scriptures
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Protestantism BTFO
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https://i.4cdn.org/his/1633171447365.webm
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[…]When will Catholics realise that they can show as many images as they want, at the end of day they’re more accepting of homosexuality than Protestants and Orthodox (and far more than Evangelicals).
>b-but muh tradcath discord server told me
Younger Catholics are far more accepting of gay marriage than older. And in Germany Roman Catholic priests are blessing gay marraiges.-
>And in Germany Roman Catholic priests are blessing gay marraiges.
damn…all this time thinking it was the protestant part that made you homos…when it was actually the german part. -
Opinions of laity can be wrong. What matters is what the church teaches.
With Protestants, all men are their own popes so whenever any prot decides they wanna affirm homosexuality, they do.
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>Opinions of laity can be wrong. What matters is what the church teaches.
Since we’ve already got pro-gay bishops, and Francis is turning a blind eye, question of time before we get a pro-gay pope (even if you don’t count Francis as such)
>With Protestants, all men are their own popes so whenever any prot decides they wanna affirm homosexuality, they do.
If you’re going to say that, that also means that posting these images is not relevant to anyone but the persons on the images-
Things can be two ways, whole and unified or it can be splintered. If you affirm the protestant doctrine then you accept all that comes with all the splits, all the heresies and the gay sex.
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>Things can be two ways, whole and unified or it can be splintered.
False dichotomy. You can recognize that they’re some difference of opinion while still seeing those as part of orthodox Christianity (Catholics also don’t agree on everything) while other beliefs take one out of orthodox Christianity.
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>What matters is what the church teaches.
That abortion and homosexuality is okay? Because the Catholic Church actively chooses not to take a stand against these issues.-
No take a stand is still better than allowing and even encouraring it, like the vast majority of Lutheran "churches" do nowadays
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>Vast majority
Citation?
Also, does proportion matter? If there are Lutheran communions (there are) who take a firm stance against these things then those churches are better than the rcc which is inconsistent-
If so, they are a minority within their own church. Exactly like they minority catholic germans which marries scrote
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No, they’re a different church.
Are they the minority? You tell meIf you’re a catholic, you are at this moment in communion with those German and american catholics who encouraging homosexuality
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I’d much rather be in communion with those scrotes while going to the Latin mass than going to some german autism derived larp with an acoustic guitar.
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Goalposts
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>from the man that doesn’t know that the anglican church and the church of england are the same thing
yea the goal for you should be basic adding and subtractions not online discourseen kan het zijn dat je een hollander bent? Dirk is een voornam die nogal uniek is aan de Nederlandse taal.
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ik ben niet
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well the lack of grammar convinced me even google translate would do better
but the point still stands that you don’t know that all anglican churches are part of the church of england and thus scrote "bishop" churches. yet love to prattle about protties being woke af and relevant.
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Anglican communion is not synonymous with church of England
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>en kan het zijn dat je een hollander bent? Dirk is een voornam die nogal uniek is aan de Nederlandse taal.
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>Seething about pastor Bob bringing his banjo to church
>Muh Latin mass
The absolute state of catholics -
>while going to the Latin mass
Francis is doing everything he can to stop that 🙂
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At the end of the day, you got gay marriage, we don’t. Cope.
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>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57055162
>Priests in around 100 Catholic churches in Germany are offering blessings to same-sex couples from Monday.
>Thousands of German priests and church employees have also signed a petition calling on the Church to extend blessings to same-sex couples, while some parishes have also displayed rainbow flags outside churches.
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>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57055162
>Priests in around 100 Catholic churches in Germany are offering blessings to same-sex couples from Monday.
>Thousands of German priests and church employees have also signed a petition calling on the Church to extend blessings to same-sex couples, while some parishes have also displayed rainbow flags outside churches.They are considered borderline schismatic even by the current cucked Pope, that claimed homo marriage is never ever because not even a Pope can change an Apostolic comandment (Pauline letters), and so litterally no catholic church in the glob outside these cucked germans consider their homo marriages rituals legit. Cope seethe etc.
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What the fuck does "accepted by society" even mean?
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>In thinking of faith as a matter of how Christ has saved me more than what I must do to be worthy of communion or confession or to be saved I ironically find myself doing far good works while not living in constant despair over what Christ has called "his light yoke" that is the faith.
he doesn’t know about the new perspective on Paul
There is no Sola Fide in the bible, buddy. that was just Luther/Calvin’s poor exegesis on Paul.
You better start doing some good deeds, taking care of the widows and orphans because God is watching you.
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Is everything okay at home son?
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The boy has made his decision. You would be wise not to let me see you anywhere near him again.
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take a look at those grabbers!
(why he wearing a skirt, though?)
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Protestants have divinely inspired books but claim the canon is NOT infallible.
I’ll just leave that there.
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That’s too bad, the whole point of leaving Catholicism should be to become a Christian.
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have a nice day
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Nice, for Marriage Equality?
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good. now take another booster shot, asap
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OK
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Good, you won’t be missed.
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Do you unironically believe this exchange happened?
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Why are all tripscrotes such colossal cocksuckers?
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They craves (you)’s and build their own personal reputation in an anynymous board, Ignore them by (you)s starving is the best way to free ourselves from their presence
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You’d think the little scrotes would realise that reddit would be a better place for them if they so desperately crave attention. They must be pathetically stupid as well as just stupidly pathetic.
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they are the overflow from reddit
they said on of the 5 million no no words on reddit triggered the literal chud moderation pyramid and got b&ned
not only are the reddit dumb. they are can’t make a new account and get a new IP dumb
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I’m leaving my wife to shack up with another man
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>I am leaving denomination X and joining denomination Y because it doesn’t suit my fringe political positions
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You didn’t leave God simply revealed the falsehood of the papist cult to you, the same happened to me, I thank God everyday I was shown the light, bless you.
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thanks for the blog update kiddo
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Woke af. I’m a chicano that converted so I can larp as a WASP
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shame you became lutheran and not Baptist, lutherans still cling too much to catholic traditions
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Because Confessional Lutherans are the true Catholic Church. Traditions that don’t contradict scripture is a blessing. Do you sing hymns in church, celebrate Easter Sunday, or does your pastor wear vestments? Get rid of those traditions they aren’t in Scripture. The Radical Reformation was a mistake
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You have the radical reformation to thank for Lutheran pietism, without which all of Lutheranism would be the gay variety
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That’s kinda cringe bro
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Woke af. I left the Roman Catholic Church to become Catholic aka Presbyterian.
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If I’m interested in Christianity but don’t want to pick a specific fan club, can I just study the Bible and come to conclusions for myself?
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There is a fan club for that.
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Bad idea. Your best bet is to join the church established at Pentecost.
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>Bad idea.
>reading the bible is a bad idea
Do you ever think about stuff before you post it?
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Who’s going to stop you?
I’ll give you my quick-read guide if you want to get the gist of the Bible.
OT essentials:
>Pentateuch
Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy chapters 28-34
>Histories
Joshua, Judges, Samuel 1 and 2
>Wisdom Literature/Poetry
Job, Psalms (read a couple at a time, don’t rush through them, can put them after other reading other sections or as a daily thing), Proverbs, Ecclesiastes
>Prophets
Isaiah, Daniel, Jonah
Touches everything essential, try and get the rest at some point though, including the deuterocanonical texts.
NT is already pretty short but if you’re looking for the quickest read then:
>Gospels
Matthew and John
>Acts
Acts
>Epistles
Romans, James
>Revelation
Revelation
But really, just read the whole NT.
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>Ecumenical/Academic
If you’re ok with an ecumenical translation and academic/non-theological notes, then the NOAB RSV with Expanded Apocrypha is a pretty good all-purpose Bible, as it has both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox deuterocanon. The deuterocanonical books are not placed throughout the Old Testament, but are at the back of the book.
This is what I recommend to secular people with an interest in the Bible, either that or the Oxford Revised English Bible with Apocrypha for a less literal translation, though it only has the Catholic deuterocanon and they are sectioned between Old and New Testament.
>Orthodox
Orthodox Study Bible if you’re ok with it not being formally approved by the church and knowing that it’s NKJV+Septuagint additions rather than a full translation of the Septuagint.
Or, Brenton English Septuagint + Eastern Orthodox Bible New Testament (the one translated from the Patriarchal Text).
>Catholic
Douay-Rheims Challoner – older, traditional, Baronius Press makes one combined with the Vulgate if you want to practice your Latin, but there are plenty of other publishers still printing it as well.
Knox – currently sold by Baronius Press, different and less literal renderings, sometimes more interesting to read, preserves acrostics which is pretty neat.
RSV-2CE – Catholic revision of the RSV, sold in many different formats, it you’re looking for a Catholic study Bible then I’d recommend checking out the Didache Bible RSV-2CE. -
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King James Version – older, traditional, can be found at dollar stores if you’re on a shoestring budget or you can get very nice copies from various publishers with a range of different features, my personally recommended KJV is the Cambridge Cameo Reference with Apocrypha.
ESV – updated version of the 2nd edition of the RSV, the result of the NRSV going in a somewhat silly direction with ‘updating’ the translation by removing gendered words and replacing them with gender-neutral pronouns, lots of different versions available including a study Bible or a nice, fancy single-column multi-volume readers edition made in Italy, also very nice $7-8 vest-pocket NT+Ps+Pr (wish it had a ribbon bookmark though).
>Digital/Software
BibleTime is the program I’ve used the most. It’s available on Linux, Mac, and Windows. There’s also BibleTime Mobile for Android users.
You have access to multiple repositories and a ton of different manuscripts/translations, commentaries, and general books from various authors and different Christian traditions.
KJV with Apocrypha and the Douay-Rheims Challoner revision are both available free here. There is also the World English Bible with Deuterocanon in the eBible repository, this includes the Orthodox deuterocanon. eBible also has the Brenton Septuagint and an updated version of it called LXX2012.
If you don’t want to download anything, use BibleGateway and CCEL for scripture, commentaries, and books.-
Andbible is superior and actively developed
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Thanks for letting me know, I’ll check it out!
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Why not become Orthodox?
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Praise the Lord. I am happy you have left the Papist church and joined the true Catholic Church. Ignore their straw man arguments. Those “Lutheran Churches” have strayed so far from Lutheran tradition that they can no longer be called Lutheran.
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I made this chart and I’m rethinking the tree. "Conservative" protestants like Edwards were definitely influenced by the enlightenment.
Its also redundant to say "western protestant"I’m not sure where to place the split or which categories to put them in other than liberal/conservative or fundamentalist/modernist, and those can be misleading since you don’t have to be a fundamentalist to be a theological conservative.
I wish the two sides of "higher criticism" were the split but that’s not the case either
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Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
The Lutheran church is pozzed as fuck.
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dont lie to yourself op you never were catholic
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I knew a Lutheran oncet. A pretty smart guy. He was a member of an offshoot of an offshoot of the Missouri Synod, but he actually believed that his tiny denomination was the one true Church.
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