how is spain not a superpower after looting an entire continent?

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    • #191500
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      how is spain not a superpower after looting an entire continent?

    • #191501
      Anonymous
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      It was, then the devs patched in inflation ruining the meta.

    • #191502
      Anonymous
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      Because invading foreign lands doesn’t make money, as a general thing. Taxes and trade makes money.

      • #191504
        Anonymous
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        >extracting tons of gold and silver doesn’t make you money

        • #191505
          Anonymous
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          Money is a method of exchange. The more money there’s in circulation the less valuable it becomes.

        • #191506
          Anonymous
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          No it doesn’t. Economists call this the Dutch disease.

        • #191511
          Anonymous
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          >>extracting tons of gold and silver-
          and putting it into circulation is the fastest way to devalue them

        • #191512
          Anonymous
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          >average leftoid understanding of economics

        • #191513
          Anonymous
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          all the gold was given to the Soviets and the French by our retarded leftist government in exchange for losing the Civil War

      • #191522
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        >extracting tons of gold and silver doesn’t make you money

        It does "make money", but not very much compared to say 100 years of GDP.

        Also it does not raise GDP. So you have a bunch of gold. What do you invest it in? There was no industrial revolution yet. Charles would invest it in wars in the Netherlands and other bullshit. So it did not translate into long term wealth or growth. Then there is inflation as others have mentioned.

        Similarly Mansa Musa was just sitting on a bunch of gold, he didn’t invent a steam engine or anything utterly revolutionizing different sectors of the economy and increasing productivity by orders of magnitude.

        Yet views like yours are commonplace. Historians positing all sorts of nonsense explanations for the industrial revolution and shouting down anyone who so much as looks at technology. It is almost like there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth because it would get in the way of people’s pet meme explanations that conveniently bolster their own modern sensibilities.

        • #191529
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          >Historians positing all sorts of nonsense explanations for the industrial revolution and shouting down anyone who so much as looks at technology. It is almost like there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth because it would get in the way of people’s pet meme explanations that conveniently bolster their own modern sensibilities.
          What are you even talking about?

    • #191503
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      100 years of draining war

    • #191507
      Anonymous
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      Because they spent all the money on useless wars and aristocratic decadence

    • #191508
      Anonymous
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      because we didnt looted it

      • #191544
        Anonymous
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        You looted it and now you’re poorer than Sweden and Germany.

    • #191509
      Anonymous
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      They never had a unified coherent colonization policy. Some of them were building churches to create a christian utopia. Some of them were killing, raping and looting and sticking the proceeds in their pockets. Some of them were pursuing titles so they could extract wealth from the operation and then go back home.
      Their leadership didn’t understand inflation. They never did anything about the geopolitical factors working against them i.e. literally heavily armed rival nations intercepting and interceding the physical wealth on its way home.
      Then they made a retarded man king.
      The Spanish were Not Good At This. All they were good at was creating more backwards-ass flyblown shitholes and populating them with illiterate mongrels with a big church on top.

      • #191549
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        There were literaly laws that only allowed ships to travel to the new world on certain dates, escorted by Spanish war ships.
        Shit was quite regulated, only one port in Spain was allowed to trade with the new world (Important to mention that the Kingdom didn’t extract any ressources here themselves, private companies did and Spain only reaped the benefits through taxation and tariffs). And the Spanish colons had to import loads of stuff from Europe for their daily lives which Spain ended up not being able to produce by itself anymore and had to resort to other European traders to sell these ressources to the New World, thus sending the silver they mined in the colonies into other Europeans’s hands.

        • #191553
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          Why didn’t they make spain a superpower despite pooping on the new world?

          • #191556
            Anonymous
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            It was the global hegemon for a long while you dumb fuck

            • #191557
              Anonymous
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              They didn’t completely dominate like the UK and US did later.

            • #191559
              Anonymous
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              Global hegemony is a meme until 1991

    • #191510
      Anonymous
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      Meds are generally lazy and incompetent, Spaniards in particular would much rather be napping

    • #191514
      Anonymous
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      It was

    • #191519
      Anonymous
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      Because Spain didn’t industrialize as quickly or successfully as Britain and France

    • #191520
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      Basically, an incredibly retard (sometimes literally) leadership, and the general poison that is easy money.
      Portugal had the same issue as well, to the point that the most common way to make it big in portuguese society in the 18th century was to win a lottery or get lucky in a casino.

    • #191521
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      Todos los otros imperios conspiraron contra nosotros, por eso nos declararon la guerra Francia, Inglaterra y Estados Unidos uno tras otro yo que permitió a los sudacas independizarse.

    • #191523
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      La decadencia

      Basically a bunch of cringe ass autistic kings wasted a bunch of money on fancy buildings and pointless religious wars instead of investing in increasing the productive capacity of their citizens.

      Spain had shit institutions, no democracy, so it cracked under the slightest pressure.

      • #191531
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        >no democracy
        Spain had a Liberal constitution by 1812 and universal male suffrage by 1869 though, both happened before most countries.

        • #191532
          Anonymous
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          Which would have had no impact on events that occurred in the 17th and 18th century, which is when Spain lost it´s status as a global power.

        • #191533
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          also citing a constitution that was only enforced for like 10 years throughout the entire 19th century to say Spain had democracy is pretty misleading.

    • #191526
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      >Almost unites Europe under his kingdom.

      • #191550
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        >France, the most populous European kingdom stands in the way

        There’s no "Almost" here, buddy.

    • #191527
      Anonymous
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      That happened centuries ago dummy

    • #191528
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      Modern superpowers weren´t created by colonial looting, but by good institutions. Countries like Germany, UK, US, and other modern powerful countries experienced a reformative period in their politics in the early 1900s, in the US this was called the progressive era. In Spain, the equivalent movement was the Regeneraciónistas, but Franco and the fascists basically ruined everything when they took over and made it so the political project was never completed. When Germany was defeated, the US took care to make sure that Germany completed it´s political reforms post war. Spain never lost WWII because it didn´t participate, so it didn´t have the guiding hand of the US. Post franco Spain is mired with Francoist holdover institutions and It´ll probably take decades before Spain gets another chance to become a superpower.

      Also tying themselves to the EU had it´s benefits, but it really limits what Spain is capable of. Spain is inherently transcontinental and needs to maintain strong relations across the world in order to be successful, so the EU is really holding it back in that regard.

      • #191534
        Anonymous
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        Kek. Fucking leftie retard.

        • #191535
          Anonymous
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          lmao stay mad, I´m right and you know it.
          also learn what leftism is, I´m a neoliberal you dumbfuck.

          • #191543
            Anonymous
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            Not him but yes you are a neoliberal democrat retard. We were the bad guys in wwii.

            • #191545
              Anonymous
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              >We were the bad guys in wwii.
              How? Germany attacked Poland with full knowledge that Poland’s allies would react. The Axis forces were the aggressors and therefore the bad guys.

              • #191546
                Anonymous
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                They had previously been victims of the anglosphere for years. Same as japan. The brits wouldn’t let either have a seat at the table and we were just war profiteers who prevented germany from destroying englands navy in wwi. Everything else was justified retribution against an evil empire.

              • #191548
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                The axis forces were the bad guys because they lost.

            • #191560
              Anonymous
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              Cringe ass purposefully edgy take.

    • #191530
      Anonymous
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      They had a long line of retards named philip who couldn’t into banking.

    • #191536
      Anonymous
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      because they didn’t reinvest that wealth into the peninsula. They either blew it on wars in europe or reinvested it into their colonial empire which disappeared the moment those colonies seceded.

      • #191538
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        This
        Mexico was wealthier than Spain when they seceded, and Spain blew a lot of money trying to build idealized Spanish cities in the new world in order to get the natives to adopt their way of life.

        They largely succeeded, but at what cost?

    • #191537
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      because the trastamara gave up spain to the hapsburg and since austria was seat of the emperor they used the genoese banks to funnel american gold for their imperial wars
      that and iberians are lazy and never developed an industry because they just exported everything

    • #191539
      Anonymous
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      The golden path for Spain is to restart/take the lead in the Second Scramble for Africa with EU’s backing. The Algerian and Morocco corridors are particularly conducive to this policy.

      • #191540
        Anonymous
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        the frogs will never allow anyone influencing north africa
        they’ll get their mutt golems to stop anyone if they need to

        • #191541
          Anonymous
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          Incidentally, Libya is another of those corridors along with Egypt.

      • #191542
        Anonymous
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        I´m glad EU is finally looking beyond their ridiculously shortsighted "neighborhood of europe" policy and looking to expand their power. It´d be pretty based if spain could successfully get west africa economically tied to them.

    • #191547
      Anonymous
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      useless third world shit only gets you so far

      • #191551
        Anonymous
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        >free gold is useless

    • #191552
      Anonymous
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      Superpowers always have a very large non-colonial population Yes, even the UK at its height had a large population relative to the competition at its height.
      Spain has never had a very large population. The Spanish Hapsburg monarchy with the low countries and parts of Italy did, and was the closest Spain ever got to being a superpower.

    • #191554
      Anonymous
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      >on behalf of Herr Fugger & co I thank Your Majesty for leasing the rights to the mines and plantations in Your colonies for a fixed rate of payments, which will be soon delivered to the Royal treasure chest. extracting and shipping the wares back to the old world and selling them with a profit, is very risky. Your Majesty is very wise to not get involved directly in such menial operations.

    • #191555
      Anonymous
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      They didn’t get the memo that tourism is the only true engine that drives the economy. Or rather they did but only like 50 years ago

    • #191558
      Anonymous
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      They were too stupid to be able to understand how economy works.

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