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how is spain not a superpower after looting an entire continent?
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It was, then the devs patched in inflation ruining the meta.
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Because invading foreign lands doesn’t make money, as a general thing. Taxes and trade makes money.
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>extracting tons of gold and silver doesn’t make you money
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Money is a method of exchange. The more money there’s in circulation the less valuable it becomes.
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No it doesn’t. Economists call this the Dutch disease.
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>>extracting tons of gold and silver-
and putting it into circulation is the fastest way to devalue them -
>average leftoid understanding of economics
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all the gold was given to the Soviets and the French by our scrotebrained leftist government in exchange for losing the Civil War
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>in exchange for losing the Civil War
that doesn’t sound like a good deal to me
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it wasn’t
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why didn’t Russia give it back after the fall of the Franco?
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Santa Rita, Rita, lo que se da no se quita= no givesies backsies I guess
meds now
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Can you stop drawing that shit it looks disgusting
Spaniards have beards and look manly thats why their women arent that delicate
And the guy you are drawing was a commie, or are you a manchildren?
>seethe
I already won in life my dude, i can shitpost all day if i wish-
Manuel Azaña (last president of the Republic) literally looked like the CHUDjak though
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>Spaniards
>manly
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It does "make money", but not very much compared to say 100 years of GDP.
Also it does not raise GDP. So you have a bunch of gold. What do you invest it in? There was no industrial revolution yet. Charles would invest it in wars in the Netherlands and other bullshit. So it did not translate into long term wealth or growth. Then there is inflation as others have mentioned.
Similarly Mansa Musa was just sitting on a bunch of gold, he didn’t invent a steam engine or anything utterly revolutionizing different sectors of the economy and increasing productivity by orders of magnitude.
Yet views like yours are commonplace. Historians positing all sorts of nonsense explanations for the industrial revolution and shouting down anyone who so much as looks at technology. It is almost like there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth because it would get in the way of people’s pet meme explanations that conveniently bolster their own modern sensibilities.
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>Historians positing all sorts of nonsense explanations for the industrial revolution and shouting down anyone who so much as looks at technology. It is almost like there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth because it would get in the way of people’s pet meme explanations that conveniently bolster their own modern sensibilities.
What are you even talking about?
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100 years of draining war
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Because they spent all the money on useless wars and aristocratic decadence
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because we didnt looted it
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You looted it and now you’re poorer than Sweden and Germany.
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They never had a unified coherent colonization policy. Some of them were building churches to create a christian utopia. Some of them were killing, raping and looting and sticking the proceeds in their pockets. Some of them were pursuing titles so they could extract wealth from the operation and then go back home.
Their leadership didn’t understand inflation. They never did anything about the geopolitical factors working against them i.e. literally heavily armed rival nations intercepting and interceding the physical wealth on its way home.
Then they made a scrotebrained man king.
The Spanish were Not Good At This. All they were good at was creating more backwards-ass flyblown shitholes and populating them with illiterate mongrels with a big church on top.-
There were literaly laws that only allowed ships to travel to the new world on certain dates, escorted by Spanish war ships.
Shit was quite regulated, only one port in Spain was allowed to trade with the new world (Important to mention that the Kingdom didn’t extract any ressources here themselves, private companies did and Spain only reaped the benefits through taxation and tariffs). And the Spanish colons had to import loads of stuff from Europe for their daily lives which Spain ended up not being able to produce by itself anymore and had to resort to other European traders to sell these ressources to the New World, thus sending the silver they mined in the colonies into other Europeans’s hands.-
Why didn’t they make spain a superpower despite pooping on the new world?
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It was the global hegemon for a long while you dumb fuck
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They didn’t completely dominate like the UK and US did later.
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Global hegemony is a meme until 1991
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Meds are generally lazy and incompetent, Spaniards in particular would much rather be napping
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It was
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Because Spain didn’t industrialize as quickly or successfully as Britain and France
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Basically, an incredibly scrotebrain (sometimes literally) leadership, and the general poison that is easy money.
Portugal had the same issue as well, to the point that the most common way to make it big in portuguese society in the 18th century was to win a lottery or get lucky in a casino. -
Todos los otros imperios conspiraron contra nosotros, por eso nos declararon la guerra Francia, Inglaterra y Estados Unidos uno tras otro yo que permitió a los sudacas independizarse.
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La decadencia
Basically a bunch of cringe ass autistic kings wasted a bunch of money on fancy buildings and pointless religious wars instead of investing in increasing the productive capacity of their citizens.
Spain had shit institutions, no democracy, so it cracked under the slightest pressure.
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>no democracy
Spain had a Liberal constitution by 1812 and universal male suffrage by 1869 though, both happened before most countries.-
Which would have had no impact on events that occurred in the 17th and 18th century, which is when Spain lost it´s status as a global power.
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also citing a constitution that was only enforced for like 10 years throughout the entire 19th century to say Spain had democracy is pretty misleading.
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>Almost unites Europe under his kingdom.
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>France, the most populous European kingdom stands in the way
There’s no "Almost" here, buddy.
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That happened centuries ago dummy
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Modern superpowers weren´t created by colonial looting, but by good institutions. Countries like Germany, UK, US, and other modern powerful countries experienced a reformative period in their politics in the early 1900s, in the US this was called the progressive era. In Spain, the equivalent movement was the Regeneraciónistas, but Franco and the fascists basically ruined everything when they took over and made it so the political project was never completed. When Germany was defeated, the US took care to make sure that Germany completed it´s political reforms post war. Spain never lost WWII because it didn´t participate, so it didn´t have the guiding hand of the US. Post franco Spain is mired with Francoist holdover institutions and It´ll probably take decades before Spain gets another chance to become a superpower.
Also tying themselves to the EU had it´s benefits, but it really limits what Spain is capable of. Spain is inherently transcontinental and needs to maintain strong relations across the world in order to be successful, so the EU is really holding it back in that regard.
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Kek. freaking leftie scrotebrain.
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lmao stay mad, I´m right and you know it.
also learn what leftism is, I´m a neoliberal you dumbfuck.-
Not him but yes you are a neoliberal democrat scrotebrain. We were the bad guys in wwii.
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>We were the bad guys in wwii.
How? Germany attacked Poland with full knowledge that Poland’s allies would react. The Axis forces were the aggressors and therefore the bad guys.-
They had previously been victims of the anglosphere for years. Same as japan. The brits wouldn’t let either have a seat at the table and we were just war profiteers who prevented germany from destroying englands navy in wwi. Everything else was justified retribution against an evil empire.
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The axis forces were the bad guys because they lost.
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Cringe ass purposefully edgy take.
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They had a long line of scrotebrains named philip who couldn’t into banking.
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because they didn’t reinvest that wealth into the peninsula. They either blew it on wars in europe or reinvested it into their colonial empire which disappeared the moment those colonies seceded.
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This
Mexico was wealthier than Spain when they seceded, and Spain blew a lot of money trying to build idealized Spanish cities in the new world in order to get the natives to adopt their way of life.They largely succeeded, but at what cost?
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because the trastamara gave up spain to the hapsburg and since austria was seat of the emperor they used the genoese banks to funnel american gold for their imperial wars
that and iberians are lazy and never developed an industry because they just exported everything -
The golden path for Spain is to restart/take the lead in the Second Scramble for Africa with EU’s backing. The Algerian and Morocco corridors are particularly conducive to this policy.
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the frogs will never allow anyone influencing north africa
they’ll get their mutt golems to stop anyone if they need to-
Incidentally, Libya is another of those corridors along with Egypt.
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I´m glad EU is finally looking beyond their ridiculously shortsighted "neighborhood of europe" policy and looking to expand their power. It´d be pretty woke af if spain could successfully get west africa economically tied to them.
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useless third world shit only gets you so far
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>free gold is useless
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Superpowers always have a very large non-colonial population Yes, even the UK at its height had a large population relative to the competition at its height.
Spain has never had a very large population. The Spanish Hapsburg monarchy with the low countries and parts of Italy did, and was the closest Spain ever got to being a superpower. -
>on behalf of Herr Fugger & co I thank Your Majesty for leasing the rights to the mines and plantations in Your colonies for a fixed rate of payments, which will be soon delivered to the Royal treasure chest. extracting and shipping the wares back to the old world and selling them with a profit, is very risky. Your Majesty is very wise to not get involved directly in such menial operations.
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They didn’t get the memo that tourism is the only true engine that drives the economy. Or rather they did but only like 50 years ago
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They were too stupid to be able to understand how economy works.
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