Historically, how did soldiers cope with the insane loudness of guns?

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    • #97083
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      Historically, how did soldiers cope with the absolute insane loudness of guns? I went shooting for the first time recently and was shocked by how incredibly loud even a glock was while wearing double layers of ear protection. How did soldiers not go insane with the constant loud gunfire going off on the battlefield?

    • #97084
      Anonymous
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      Um… they didn’t? Sound-woke af PTSD is extremely common..

      • #97087
        Anonymous
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        >How did soldiers not go insane with the constant loud gunfire going off on the battlefield?
        They do.

        but like how would they even be able to fight in that moment? I feel like without adequate ear protection i would just fall on the floor in pain

        • #97089
          Anonymous
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          It’s called self preservation. Repetitive training helps a lot too. I find firearms unpleasantly loud, but don’t have a problem with them when I’m wearing hearing protection.

          • #97090
            Anonymous
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            My cousin who was infantry in Afghanistan has tinnitus from having a 50 cal fired near him when he wasn’t wearing hearing protection.

        • #97092
          Anonymous
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          Well, when you’re running on adrenaline with your amygdala screaming in your ear, it’s easier to ignore pain and fear. That’s why many people only start to experience PTSD symptoms once the immediate fighting is over.

          It’s called self preservation. Repetitive training helps a lot too. I find firearms unpleasantly loud, but don’t have a problem with them when I’m wearing hearing protection.

          Same, but I think OP means back when people didn’t have comfy earmuffs and nice little plugs to keep us from going deaf.

          • #97099
            Anonymous
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            PTSD develops because modern warfare never allowed for any sense of relatively safety, combined with a total lack of a slow draw down period where a soldier is returning home with people he fought with.
            For 99% of human history in full scale organized wars you would spend weeks or months marching, potentially get in a battle or two and then go home. Unless you were in the front lines, encircled, in a siege, or traped in some massive ambush things were ok. You were not exposed to the constant threat of being instantly as atomized by a tiny dot in the sky.
            It was often very obvious to both the conscious and subconscious when you were and were no in danger.
            And once it was all over assuming you were not killed or didn’t loose too harshly you spent weeks or months marching home with other men you have fought with and potentially knew as friends before you even went off to fight.

            These days you get flown over in 12 hours, spend 2 years getting mortared while never seeing the enemy, then get shipped back home in 2 weeks without any time to decompress or transition from one environment to another.
            Meanwhile everyone that has had remotely similar experiences to you with whom you could talk is either still in whereverthefuckistan or is some dude from Nebraska that is now literal hundreds of miles away.
            Everyone else around you is happy to see you home but they are ignorant, naive, and obsessed with shit that now seems trivial to you because less than a week ago your daily problems were will I get to eat and will I die in a giant fireball, not what do you think about this TV show and did you hear that xyz happened with you know who?

            • #97123
              Anonymous
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              This

            • #97126
              Anonymous
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              So your entire theory assumes that PTSD hasn’t been a thing since the Stone Age? There are records of medieval knights breaking down in tears at the sound of metal clanging together.

              • #97144
                Anonymous
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                It was a thing but the conditions of modern warfare made it more common today

                • #97150
                  Anonymous
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                  Any source that supports the claim that PTSD is more common today?

                  • #97151
                    Anonymous
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                    No, fuck off scrote. I also retract my statement saying "It was a thing". It wasn’t a thing. PTSD was invented a hundred years ago and that’s the end of it.

                    • #97157
                      Anonymous
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                      >f-fuck off scrote, I don’t need a source
                      >it didn’t exist back then because
                      >well…
                      >IT JUST DIDNT OK???

                      • #97164
                        Anonymous
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                        Yes exactly. It didn’t exist, because i said so.

                  • #97171
                    Anonymous
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                    The fact that more soldiers per capita exist for starters

                  • #97175
                    Anonymous
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                    Well we certainly records instances of it a lot more. Sure you can say that it’s just something we treat more seriously now but we knew about Battle Fatigue in WW2 and Operational Exhaustion in Korea.

            • #97130
              Anonymous
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              Skirmish and guerilla warfare are not modern inventions. In medieval siege warfare, they were key elements. Chaos and order were always components of handling the battlefield

            • #97142
              Anonymous
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              This is specific to modern zog bots.
              ww1 and ww2 soldiers still marched long distances

            • #97145
              Anonymous
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              Good post

            • #97155
              Anonymous
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              >You were not exposed to the constant threat of being instantly as atomized by a tiny dot in the sky.

              Neither are murimutts in modern warfare
              Only their enemies are (and sometimes their allies, I remember than TV documentary about the French army in Afghanistan in the late 2000s that showed a live occurrence of US air force friendly fire)

            • #97158
              Anonymous
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              This was written by someone who has never been in a dangerous situation in their life

            • #97169
              Anonymous
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              I reject the premise that PTSD is an entirely modern phenomenon, but there are some good points.
              It should also be mentioned that societies in the past had much different views on warfare and killing wasn’t seen as a wholly taboo thing. Also people were familiar with death from a very early age as most kids had grown up around animals being slaughtered and relatives/neighbors in close proximity dying from whatever, not to mention the infant mortality rate.
              Compare the two: this young man going off to the type of warfare mentioned in the post above, with the full support of his society and culture reinforcing ideas such as the glory of combat, and the stories from his elders that celebrate death and sacrifice, to a similar modern solidier:
              The same type of young man, going off to war in a place he’s never heard of, against an emeny he knows nothing about. He’s never seen a dead body in this life, never had to butcher an animal, never seen real blood, and the main moral axioms of his society are ones completely against aggression and violence. Killing, murder, is the worst thing anyone could do, he’s been made to understand that since he was a kid.
              >inb4
              i know this is a broad generalization and different people in different places at different times were geared towards all sorts of different experiences and solidiers in the past definitely experienced PTSD.

        • #97093
          Anonymous
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          You know how in basic training the DI absolutely screams in the face of a cadet? It’s so they get used to the shock and are able to maintain calm when the time comes.

    • #97085
      Anonymous
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      >How did soldiers not go insane with the constant loud gunfire going off on the battlefield?
      They do.

    • #97086
      Anonymous
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      By ignoring it? Modern men are sanitised pussies

      • #97088
        Anonymous
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        how can u ignore the intense pain though

      • #97095
        Anonymous
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        >Modern men are sanitised [sic] pussies
        Speak for yourself

        • #97127
          Anonymous
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          >putting "[sic]" next to a properly spelled word
          Your a scroteet.

          • #97129
            Anonymous
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            >properly spelled
            Fuck off Nigel

      • #97108
        Anonymous
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        The opposite in this case. Early guns scared the living shit out of people and horses. You need to be drilled (and partially deafened) to ignore the noise.

        Plus the battles were shorter and rate of fire slower.

        • #97114
          Anonymous
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          Yes early guns but by 1600 people were usedto them

      • #97115
        Anonymous
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        >Modern men
        I’m so freaking tired of this good times=weak men/bad times=strong men meme. Go back to r3ddit you freaking chud.

        • #97122
          Anonymous
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          >cannot handle dissenting opinions
          >throws a tantrum and insists that the person he disagrees with must leave his presence
          Weak

          • #97125
            Anonymous
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            >>cannot handle dissenting opinions
            You used to get burned at the stake for being the wrong kind of Christian

        • #97159
          Anonymous
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          >I’m so freaking tired of this 2+2=4 meme. Go back to r3ddit you freaking chud.

          • #97161
            Anonymous
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            If you actually believe the good times=weak men/bad times=strong men meme and you’re not in middle school then you are terminally scrotebrained

            • #97162
              Anonymous
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              >If you actually believe the 2+2=4 meme and you’re not in middle school then you are terminally scrotebrained

              • #97165
                Anonymous
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                >heh, your thesis is no match for my impeccable shitposting

                • #97166
                  Anonymous
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                  >thesis
                  Having a very high opinion of ourselves, do we?
                  Your "thesis" is that you’re tired of an obvious truth.

                  • #97167
                    Anonymous
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                    >obvious truth
                    Everything seems obvious when you’re too scrotebrained to see the true natire of the world

    • #97091
      Anonymous
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      It hurts the first few time. After that you’ll have enough hearing loss to tolerate it.

    • #97094
      Anonymous
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      Most of them just went deaf or hard of hearing. My grandfather was a heavy machine gunner with the 2nd infantry division during world war 2 and he had to get a hearing aid when he was in his 50’s and he was still almost completely deaf in his left ear.

      • #97097
        Anonymous
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        Same for mine. Anti-aircraft battalion attached to 84th infantry.

    • #97096
      Anonymous
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      they would have permanent hearing loss or outright deafness.
      You ever wonder why old military boomers (especially infantryman) are so freaking loud? It’s because they ran around with no hearing protection shooting guns inside closed rooms while yelling and screaming, they can’t hear shit

    • #97098
      Anonymous
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      The adrenaline probably helps.

      The only time I don’t wear hearing protection is when I’m hunting and while I hear the shot I’ve got so much else running through my mind it doesn’t affect me too much.

      • #97141
        Anonymous
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        You should still protect your hearing when shooting while hunting. Don’t ignore this, Anon. It is still hurting you.

        • #97156
          Anonymous
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          If I wore hearing protection while hunting I would never get any squirrels.

          • #97160
            Anonymous
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            What about a silencer? Can’t you put earmuffs on just for the shots? I’m serious, don’t neglect your health, Anon.

          • #97163
            Anonymous
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            You don’t need ear pro for a .22 and if you’re hunting squirrels with anything bigger than a .22 then you’re doing it wrong

      • #97147
        Anonymous
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        >I don’t wear plugs when I fire one single shot while hunting.

        Uh huh. Ever been to an actual range?

    • #97100
      Anonymous
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      You get used to it. I know a guy in the military who said he’s used to sleeping next to someone firing an AK 5 (5.56mm rounds).

    • #97101
      Anonymous
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      You know, some job destroys your body, like my father lifting bags of gravel and sand for 20 years got his back destroyed.

      You just do it because that’s your job, it’s hard to understand for a NEET who never lifted a finger or started a family in his whole life.

      • #97153
        Anonymous
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        >i have to fuck myself up completely because thats my job heh you kids today should be ashamed to not be like me!
        Fascinating wagie, by all means…continue.

    • #97103
      Anonymous
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      Huh?

    • #97104
      Anonymous
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      Back then, you grew up around guns. Everyone was shooting all the time and seldom had ear protection. The sound of gunfire was commonplace so you were just used to it.
      Like myself for instance. I’ve been shooting since I was 8 at least once a week. Joining the military I had no issues at all with sound, but some city dwellers would lose their minds.
      All in all, it’s really just the environment you’re in that determines how affected you’ll be by the sound of gunfire.

      • #97106
        Anonymous
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        yes, but it will still phsycially damage your hearing

        • #97112
          Anonymous
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          Hearing damage was the least of a soldiers concern back then. We’re talking about a time when you were lucky if you came home from war with all of your arms and legs intact. A little ear ring wasn’t a big deal.

          If you were shooting as a child without earpro then your parents are scrotebrained

          Naw, thankfully I grew up in a time when hearing protection was commonplace, but think about all the kids in the past who grew up shooting black powder rifles without it. It just backs my point more that people were just used to these loud noises back then because guns weren’t some scary thing that only the army had, but a tool that got everyone through life.

      • #97110
        Anonymous
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        If you were shooting as a child without earpro then your parents are scrotebrained

    • #97105
      Anonymous
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      >got used to it
      That isn’t how it works. You just grow progressively more deaf until your hearing is fully ruined.

      • #97124
        Anonymous
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        The same goes for playing in a rock band. No big deal.

    • #97111
      Anonymous
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      You get used to it, and you do lose hearing.
      And thats sporadic fire in open country.
      Those close battles with artillery in citys I don’t even know. I can’t even wrap my head around something like stalingrad, most those guys had to have been almost mad with the explosions and the dust and machine gun fire in a wrecked city, it must have been insane.

    • #97113
      Anonymous
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      >wearing double layers of ear protection
      >for a glock
      wew

    • #97117
      Anonymous
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      am LULZ. they didn’t. there’s a reason most vets even in the modern day have hearing damage. often a choice between "keep some of my hearing" or "lose my hearing later but be able to hear when someone screams GRENADE or something". this is an obvious choice. active hearing protection is very new. however, to my understanding it will be becoming more common in american combat zones in the years to follow as hearing loss becomes a more talked-about issue. this is also why the NGSW requires a suppressor. hope i helped.

      • #97143
        Anonymous
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        >there’s a reason most vets even in the modern day have hearing damage.
        Yeah because 3M makes shitty earplugs. Fuck I wasn’t even an MOS that was out on the field and I know how bad those things are.

    • #97128
      Anonymous
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      Goddamn, OP is the kind of freaking pansy who starts reeing and plugging his ears when someone uses a freaking hacksaw near him. Go find yourself a nice padded cell to live in.

      • #97131
        Anonymous
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        >t.deafscrote

    • #97132
      Anonymous
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      You get used to it, pussy.

      My daughter is 10 years old and doesn’t bitch about spending an entire day shooting guns. What a joke of a thread, please refrain from posting about war from now on.

      • #97133
        Anonymous
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        >shooting guns on a cucked range is the same as firing at other people in pitched battle
        You’re a scrote and so is your daughter

      • #97136
        Anonymous
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        she will go deaf

      • #97148
        Anonymous
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        Lol your daughter is going to be deaf at a young age and it’s going to be your fault

    • #97134
      Anonymous
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      I read somewhere (probably LULZ) that old school machine gunners yelling while firing was actually a practical thing because somehow having your jaw open helps prevent war drum damage. No idea how true that is though.

      • #97137
        Anonymous
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        >that old school machine gunners yelling while firing was actually a practical thing because somehow having your jaw open helps prevent war drum damage. No idea how true that is though.

        yea it’s true, not just for machine guns though, it was mostly for when you’re getting shelled byartillery. the supposed science behind covering your ears and yelling is that you’re equalizing air pressure in your ENT cavities.

    • #97138
      Anonymous
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      WHAT DID YOU SAY??

    • #97139
      Anonymous
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      EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • #97140
      Anonymous
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      You either go crazy or get used to it.

    • #97146
      Anonymous
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      >I went shooting for the first time recently and was shocked by how incredibly loud even a glock was while wearing double layers of ear protection

      What the fuck is wrong with your ears?

      • #97152
        Anonymous
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        idk it was loud but bearable. halfway through, i took out the foam for a few minutes and then put it back in but it felt like things were much louder after and it felt like some shots made some weird cracking sound in my ear so now im paranoid about ear protection. even the 22 sounded loud at that point

        • #97173
          Anonymous
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          The breaking of sound barrier causes a loud sound by itself, nevermind the gases. Any super-sonic round would sound roughly the same.

          • #97174
            Anonymous
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            ah so i just watched a few videos on super sonic bullets and that was the sound i heard. glad that it wasnt my ears getting damaged

    • #97149
      Anonymous
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      What ear protection were you using? Because I use a Pro Ears Pro Tac 300 and have never had this problem.

      • #97154
        Anonymous
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        these earmuffs from harbor freight. online it says it has 23 db reduction. also, i used these foam thingies that the range handed out underneath the earmuffs

    • #97168
      Anonymous
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      they had overcome it… by becoming deaf

    • #97170
      Anonymous
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      When there’s a lot of guns pointed at you the problem of a loud bang doesn’t seem to concern you as much

    • #97172
      Anonymous
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      dad was an avid shooter of military weapons in his youth and always shouted and couldnt control the volume of his voice.
      so by becoming deaf i suppose

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