Has there ever been an unbroken series of unquestionably good kings from the same line?

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    • #115362
      Anonymous
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      In any monarchy worldwide, has there ever been a series of at least 3 kings who were unquestionably good?

    • #115364
      Anonymous
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      >5 Good Emperors of Rome.
      >The 3 Great Emperors of the Qing Dynasty.

      • #115365
        Anonymous
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        >two examples in some of the longest living monarchies ever
        >best series of Roman leaders were all elected/adopted due to merit rather than birth.

        • #115404
          Anonymous
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          >goalpost moving

      • #115387
        Anonymous
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        Qianlong was not unquestionably good. His fabled ‘Ten Campaigns’ include one entirely unecessary one against an obscure hill tribe that cost more than the entire revenue of China. His corrupt favourite was found in the next reign to have gold in his house worth 15 times the annual revenue. He left the treasury empty for his son.

      • #115427
        Anonymous
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        It depends on what certain people consider "good". Those Roman emperors, Trajan especially, had a lot of people butchered and enslaved.

      • #115432
        Anonymous
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        The 5 good emperors are all overrated and directly caused the crisis of the third century

        • #115456
          Anonymous
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          Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, Aethelstan.
          Phillip Augustus, Louis the Lion, Louis the Saint
          That’s only for England and France, there are swathes more, why do you act as if 3 generations of good monarchs is so uncanny.

          The Severans are who bonked it all up.

      • #115439
        Anonymous
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        The only good Qing emperors were Kangxi and Qianlong, and Qianlong got fat and corrupt near the end of his reign and did nothing to prepare China for the coming of the West.

    • #115366
      Anonymous
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      France’s had multiple successions of good kings

      • #115370
        Anonymous
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        • #115371
          Anonymous
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          Did the Kinslaying weaken the state or just his personal affairs? I know nothing of him

          • #115464
            Anonymous
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            He was succeed by Basil II so I guess not, but its still not good.
            Still it brought instability and he was lucky Basil was so strong of a ruler.

        • #115373
          Anonymous
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          Henry IV, Louis XIII, Louis XIV

          Or Philippe Auguste, Louis VIII, Louis IX (arguably the whole range from Louis VII to Philippe III was good).

          • #115381
            Anonymous
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            Henry IV never ruled france

            • #115383
              Anonymous
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              Care to elaborate?
              It’s not because Sully did 90% of the work that the king didn’t have a final say.

    • #115367
      Anonymous
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      Tried looking through my own states history, Brandenburg.
      At most you can find two good kings in succession and maybe a normal one for the Hohenzollern days.
      The normal one sometimes just turns out to be a bit too indulging with spending but still. The guy before the soldier king was rather meh in his spending.
      The Askanier had a pretty good record, basically the first three guys ruling over Brandenburg ruled and expanded it well. Although that period is again so far back that we probably just know too little about their fuckups or just know from them through their acts in building up the country.
      Also not technically a king yet but let’s not be picky about titles.

    • #115368
      Anonymous
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      First 3 Komnemnos

    • #115369
      Anonymous
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      Yeah
      They are Emperor/Basileus

      Basil 2/Nikephoros Phocas/John Tzimiskes

    • #115372
      Anonymous
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      In any democracy worldwide, has there ever been a series of at least 3 elected heads of government who were unquestionably good?

      • #115375
        Anonymous
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        Good by what metric?

        • #115377
          Anonymous
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          This. Some idiots on this thread think a complete egomaniac like Louis XIV would be a good king. Famous, yes, not good. Good king would be one wise, virtuous and ruled for the benefit of his people. The vast majority of kings in history are nothing more than pompus tyrants, if we want to call them what they really are.

          • #115379
            Anonymous
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            For all his faults Louis XIV was actually a good king. He managed to stabilise the country’s governance system in an extremely cunning way, saw the value of overseas colonies and selected extremely capable ministers. Trying (and partly managing) to break the Habsburg encirclement was also a less petty long term investment than it seems.

            Had Louis XV been less of a failure, Louis XIV would probably be remembered as a great monarch, a bit like Heraclius had the arab invasions not happened.

            • #115473
              Anonymous
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              >Louis XIV would probably be remembered as a great monarch

              He is, or at least he would be if waging wars was still seen as a positive instead of a negative.

          • #115385
            Anonymous
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            You need to be scrotebrained to think Louis XIV was a bad king.

            • #115392
              Anonymous
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              For me "good king" has a much more grandiose meaning than being a capable administrator. To be a good king for me, you need to be more than a map painter.

          • #115442
            Anonymous
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            >Some idiots on this thread think a complete egomaniac like Louis XIV would be a good king.
            Louis XIV was the best king France had since the middle ages, and I will not let him be slandered.

      • #115376
        Anonymous
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        Google "Pendulm Effect"

      • #115389
        Anonymous
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        Mao, Deng, Frogface, Jintao, Jiping

      • #115394
        Anonymous
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        FDR
        Truman
        Eisenhower

        • #115395
          Anonymous
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          … yes, actually. You also had Kennedy and LBJ right after Ike. Not that big of a fan of the Vietnam bullshit, but otherwise those two weren’t bad either.

        • #115424
          Anonymous
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          i miss being white

        • #115434
          Anonymous
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          Literally all 3 sucked though

      • #115396
        Anonymous
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        It wasn’t really democratic, but all US Presidents until Harrison/Tyler were good

      • #115398
        Anonymous
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        De Gaulle
        Pompidour
        D’Estaign

      • #115400
        Anonymous
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        The first 8 presidents of the US were pretty great, outside Polk and McKinley, the remaining 36 have been questionable

        • #115408
          Anonymous
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          where they pretty great or was leading america back then just impossible to fuck up?

      • #115426
        Anonymous
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        George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson

        • #115428
          Anonymous
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          >the trilogy that should have ended but got bought out by some multi-billion-dollar company to make endless sequels

      • #115463
        Anonymous
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        McKinley-Roosevelt-Taft-Wilson were all great presieents in their own respects.

      • #115465
        Anonymous
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        Democracy doesn’t advertise itself as being good, just “good enough”

        I can argue that large strings of leaders in many countries have been “ok” which is sometimes better than having two great and one terrible monarch.

        • #115466
          Anonymous
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          It’s not necessarily good enough, just stable. It’s a reflection of the nation itself.
          For example, in a dead and decaying civilization such as our own, we can only ever expect dead and decaying leaders (i.e. Joe Biden).
          A dictator, on the other hand, can rise above the decadence and corruption in a way that an elected official simply cannot.

          • #115467
            Anonymous
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            I agree, but the issue with dictatorship is always succession
            Few dictators have ever managed to handle it well, even Caesar got lucky that his chosen namesake was so capable, and even then he had nothing really set in place to enable a new government.

            Compare that to someone like Mao who was able to sweep the field not once but multiple times in order to ensure there would be no bickering after he was gone.

            • #115468
              Anonymous
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              That’s where the sword of Damocles comes into play.
              The list of notable dictators is self-sorting because, in general, incompetent leaders are unable to hold on to power long enough to do much harm.

              • #115469
                Anonymous
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                But what happens when the dictator dies?

                Another good question would be how many dictators have been succeeded by an era of peace and continuation of the government (and were not assassinated)?
                From what I can recall, maybe Sulla, Franco, Mao, Stalin, chang kai shek, Kim Il Sung, Mugabe,

    • #115374
      Anonymous
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      Has there ever been a single head of state in history who was unquestionably good?

      • #115386
        Anonymous
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        Yeah, many. Saint Justinian, Bismarck, Stalin, Charlemagne, Richelieu, FD Roosevelt, Cao Cao, Napoleon, Caesar, Charles de Gaulle, Ghaddafi,…

      • #115471
        Anonymous
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        Caesar Agustus

    • #115388
      Anonymous
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      Edward, Elizabeth, James

      • #115402
        Anonymous
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        Elizabeth being an unquestionably good queen is a hot take.
        Her killing the Queen of Scots is one of her most remembered actions

    • #115390
      Anonymous
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      No such thing as unquestionably good. Don’t believe in such things and accept the reality of harsh pragmatism and despotism that is your world.

      • #115406
        Anonymous
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        unquestionably good = the reign was a net positive to its nation. plenty of clear examples of this

    • #115391
      Anonymous
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      As far as serving the Mongols, would Genghis and his successors through Kublai count?

    • #115393
      Anonymous
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      Portugal:
      >D. Afonso III
      >D. Dinis
      >D. Afonso IV
      The tfirst three kings were also all good

    • #115397
      Anonymous
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      george v, george vi, elizabeth ii

    • #115399
      Anonymous
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      Harald V of Norway
      Olav V of Norway
      Haakon VII of Norway

      easy

    • #115410
      Anonymous
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      Pepin of Herstal – Charles Martel – Pepin the Short – Charlemagne

      Nikephoros Phokas – John Tsimiskes – Basil II

      Philippe Auguste – Louis the Lion – St. Louis

      • #115412
        Anonymous
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        >Pepin of Herstal – Charles Martel
        Not kings

        • #115417
          Anonymous
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    • #115411
      Anonymous
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      Harun al-Rashid, Al-Ma’mun, Al-Mu’tasim

      • #115422
        Anonymous
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        >Al-Mu’tasim
        no

    • #115418
      Anonymous
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      henry the fowler
      otto I
      otto II

      • #115419
        Anonymous
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        Otto 2 is seen negatively in german history.
        There are even famous poems talking shit about the poor guy.

    • #115420
      Anonymous
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      >Gustav II Adolf
      >Karl X Gustav
      >Karl XI

    • #115421
      Anonymous
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      Alexios Komnenos, John Komnenos, Manuel Komnenos

    • #115423
      Anonymous
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      But I thought kings were representant of God on earth, what did monerchyscrotes mean by this? Aren’t all kings good by definition? Are you telling me they are just regular men who can be good or bad? Why are they kings then?

      • #115425
        Anonymous
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        just because they’re representatives of god doesnt mean they’re good representatives of god.
        they’re kings for reasons other than the expectation of perfection. when the world was run by philosophers and warriors, they aspired to different goals.
        presidents do nothing for a few years and then run off with the country’s money. they’re most celebrated and memorable when they act like kings. see FDR, Abraham Lincoln, and Obama.

        • #115430
          Anonymous
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          I’m more of a dictator man myself. People like Napoleon, Caesar or Hitler are the only legitimate rulers in my eyes. In order to have power you should be able to seize it, and do something with it. I still don’t understand how your scrotebrained hereditary system is any better than democracy.

          • #115455
            Anonymous
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            i’m not a monarchist, i’m just defending it because your reasons for disliking it are dishonest and fallacious.

    • #115444
      Anonymous
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      Not what you asked, but it’s surprisingly common in history to have a great king, followed by an okay king, followed by a terrible king. Like,
      >Louis IX -> Philip III -> Philip IV
      >Henry II -> Richard I -> John
      >Ivan III -> Vasily III -> Ivan IV
      And so on.

    • #115445
      Anonymous
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      Liuva I, Liuvigild, Reccared I
      Chindasuinth, Recceswinth, Wamba

    • #115448
      Anonymous
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      Rome has never had a bad emperor, only a bad republican leader (consulcucks).

    • #115475
      Türk
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      Ottoman empire
      Mehmet I
      Murad II
      Mehmet II
      Bayezid II
      Selim I
      Suleiman I

    • #115477
      Anonymous
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      Mary
      Elizabeth
      James

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