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>The imperial myth of Aeneas would outlive the empire. In the turbulent third, fourth and fifth centuries CE, groups of Germanic warriors wrested much of western Europe from Roman control. Besides seizing territory, Germanic elites also appropriated the symbols of Roman authority, including the myth of Trojan origins. The Merovingians, rulers of the Frankish tribes who had seized what is now France, stole a page from Virgil’s book in the seventh-century Chronicle of Fredegar. This text traced the history of the Franks back to Francio, a clone of Aeneas who supposedly settled on the Rhine. When the Carolingians, a rival Frankish dynasty, deposed the Merovingians, these newcomers sought to prove that they were even more Trojan than the kings they had overthrown. In chronicles and poems, the propagandists of the Carolingian court celebrated its rulers as descendants of Aeneas, asserting their connections to the most celebrated Trojan exile.
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>The other dynasties of western Europe forged their own stories of Trojan ancestry, eager not to let the Franks keep the symbolic heritage of Troy and Rome to themselves. After their conquest of England in 1066, the Normans, originally of Viking origin, invented the Trojan hero Brutus, who was said to have fled Troy at the same time that Francio and Aeneas were setting out for the Rhine and the Tiber. In Germany, rival dynasties seeking control of the Holy Roman Empire claimed that they, too, were the offspring of a Trojan refugee. Mythical genealogies offered a basis for elites across Europe to emphasise their superiority over common people. Heirs to Troy, and by extension to the Roman Empire, they had a right to rule inherited from the heroes of classical antiquity.
why did European aristrocracy of rhe middle ages invent their med (roman, trojan, etc) origin? Were they ashames of their barbarian origin?
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>Were they ashames of their barbarian origin?
yes-
bases charles, he deserves honorary med status
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Probably the same reason Anglos later started LARPing as Israelites. Aristocrats want to separate themselves from filthy commoners and make up an identity from some foreign nation with a meme mythos.
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>the Normans, originally of Viking origin, invented the Trojan hero Brutus
Wasn’t it Geoffrey of Monmouth who did that and it was about the Britons being descended from him?
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The relatively simple version is – the pagan kings believed themselves to be in a sense fathers of their whole tribes with their ancestors being some god. So for instance Longobards have seen themselves as adoptive children of Odin.
As they took on Christian beliefs, the clergy had to somehow manage this issue. Obviously no ruler wants to lose his pedigree, so what happened was that these gods have been turned into mortal men. However all mortal men have parents, duh, so to increase the prestige ruler’s pedigree gave(after all, they were always so important that we know their lineage going back to the creation of the world!) they’ve started inventing more and more elaborate fake genealogies, ideally going back to the deluge, from which you can just go back to Adam and Eve without trying. So the usual route was to identify them with one of the lost Israelite tribes that was meant to become either Scythians or Trojans and going out from there through arduous journey involving questionable etymology and "dude just trust me" level of proof.
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>the Normans… invented the Trojan hero Brutus
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I think they just wanted to claim le prestigious heritage but yeah probably ashamed too
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>why did European aristrocracy of rhe middle ages invent their med
They didn’t. Troy is Toia, a Finnish town. The geographical and artifact remnants from the Iliad are very clearly set in northern Europe.-
Post the map again
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Here’s one someone else posted a few weeks ago.
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No, Troy is Troia in Apulia, I mean it has the exact perfect name, duh, you’d have to be scrotebrained not to understand that. Mount Ida is the old name for the Gargano. That’s why it was so easy for Aeneas to settle in Rome, he just walked lol
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prop points over their new medcel feudal livestock subjects
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>Scholars who try to resist the rising tide of nationalism in Europe and throughout the world by pointing to the rich connections between cultures of the past should be on guard against undue optimism; for centuries, identification with immigrants from Asia Minor was an ironic but effective tool of imperial power
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>Like the Romans, medieval Europeans used their purported connections to Troy as a rationale for conquest. In 1204, relatives of the French royal family diverted what was supposed to be a crusade in Syria and Palestine towards a new target: Constantinople. The capital of the Greek-speaking Byzantine Empire, it was the largest and wealthiest city in Europe. The crusaders sacked it, slaughtering thousands of fellow Christians. To justify their actions, French leaders of the crusade claimed that they were taking their revenge against the Greeks for the fall of their ancient Trojan homeland. Instead of fighting Muslims in the Holy Land, they refought the Trojan War.
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Holy woke af. Fuck gayreeks
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lmao, imagine all the medcel tears and med pussy juices flowing, literally can’t stop being humiliated by northerners for thousands of years
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we wuzzzz troy and venetians and french too and shit
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you wuzz bred to serve wave after wave of indo-europeans reducing you to glorified plows n seethe about it ever since n sheit
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>we wuz indo europeans
kek know your place pinkie. you are the result of chad IE’s raping pinkie funnelbeakers.-
https://i.imgur.com/3vXHQNe.gif
know your place you conquered, HUMILIATED, glorified farming equipment, descendant of pathetic feudal serfs who wouldn’t even have the guts to look their northern lords in the eyes
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>that map
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bahahah giga cope. roman aristocracy kept their lands, and feudal lords were like 1% of population anyway, wherever they were
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https://i.imgur.com/PEmuiDb.gif
https://i.imgur.com/3vXHQNe.gif
know your place you conquered, HUMILIATED, glorified farming equipment, descendant of pathetic feudal serfs who wouldn’t even have the guts to look their northern lords in the eyes
you both should kys 2bh, it’s extremely cringe to witness your posts, you belong here:
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Pretty sure funnelbeakers were at the very least intermediate skinned
Corded ware was dark skinned for example they didn’t really change from yamnaya
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>sacks weak capitals a couple of times
>gets sold into sex slavery for centuries inbetween
Projection
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The roots of all these institutions and norms are from the steppe, not Greece or anywhere in the Near-East.
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The steppe is a one big meme.
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Because it’s easier to take over preexisting institutions if you devise some way to tie yourself to them and not look like a filthy total outsider barbarian
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>imagine being proud of this
>bahahah giga cope. roman aristocracy kept their lands, and feudal lords were like 1% of population anyway, wherever they were
the absolute state of servile southern sewage, pure slavish resentiment-
Just a silly interpretation of Mussolini’s actions. He was trying to politically accomodate his alliance with Hitler and the German Nazis, who had made German supremacy an ideological centerpiece. Has nothing at all to do with his actual beliefs or feelings.
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then reality hit both, and the pathetic, servile character of his race shined bright as a star as the little manlet, boasting about being the next Mummius Achaicus, got btfo by a bunch of gayreeks and albanians and had to cry for help for the "barbarian", only to see his "master race" people then surrender once again to Germanics from USA and England, going back to the usual normality of the last 1500 years, "barbarians" invading and telling "med master race" what to do
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What’s the weather like in stockholm?
how many dildos did you throatfuck today swedebro?
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>spain
>nationalism
>patriotism
>history
>pride
>traditional values
>ethnic centrism
>MONOCULTURALISM>edgy monarchism on the left
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pretty much you could make the same argument for italy except edgy monarchism
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Italy is extremely ethnocentric and racist according to polls. Almost Hungary tier.
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No you can’t
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t. lives in his car
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oh no no
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the perpetually butthurt swedegroid isn’t memeing, everyone else is memeing
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and the medscrote? hes been posting baits literally daily now. they are both cancer
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the med is a levantine and a taleb fanatic
welcome to every thread that ever alludes to ancient greece and rome, a shitfest between these two groids-
No he’s a south european nignog. I saw him posting on /poo/ too similiar threads
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he’s a syrian living in canada
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no, there’s at least a gayreek, a shitalian and that one super autist moortuguese forming the triumvirate of medmutt delusion on LULZ and /poo/
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i know what i’m talking about, he’s a scrote syrian taleb poster
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Pretty sure one of them is south slav too. I’ve seen same patterns of anti-german medscrote posts and anti-german slavscrote posts both here and on /poo/ so south slavshit is a logical homeland of this scrote. He also mentions height in every post which furthers the argument
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Meds ruled over white cattle
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>drinking horn on his belt
That man is 100% Nordic.
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>larping as the losing side
Why are they like this?
At least the greeks larped as Achilles’ descendants -
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telling that servile conquered sewage south their place is the minimum, their absolutely embarrassing sense of grandeur despite their history being that of pathetic conquered peoples is too cringy to be left aside, especially since they infest most threads on LULZ that have something to do with their former feudal lords
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>telling that servile conquered sewage south their place is the minimum, their absolutely embarrassing sense of grandeur despite their history being that of pathetic conquered peoples is too cringy to be left aside, especially since they infest most threads on LULZ that have something to do with their former feudal lords
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Carolingians are woke af
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You both are wrong, they are an amerimutt and a syrian MENAgroid
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Triggered whites are funny, they have been cattle since the last 5 millennia, since yamnaya overlords btfo Funnelbeaker whitoids
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>posting the survive the jive "reconstruction"
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eh? survive the jive is a nordic we wuzzer. so if this is his we can assume it was in fact much darker in reality
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das rite
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>Funnelbeaker
most similar to modern meds, way to go you lowly conquered glorified plow
conquered and humiliated, descendants of cattle used by northerners as farming equipment, a glorified giggaboo cotton picking negro ante litteram-
you are half funnelbeaker my dude
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nobody is perfect
better 50% funnelbeaker than innumerable x%s of the entirety of the slaves and lowlives of the mediterranean basin throughout the ages-
okay half funnelbeaker mutt
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okay sewage product of the Orontes
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a lot of funnelbeaker and GAC blood flows through your veins
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The "Italian" looks exactly like a BROWN YAMNAYA/EARLY CORDED WARE BVLLS who raped White farmers.
As always nice projection.
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t. 50% farmer
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Mediterranean is perfect, you cant look a mediterranean model and not think he/she is an embodied deity.
Even Native Americans (and b*arbs at their time) bowed down behold meds and considered them as gods.
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ugly
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With those words a savage renegate of civilization and Reason as conductor of the mind.
*Spit*
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Nordic vs Mediterranean bickering is so cringe. We get it, Skyrim was your first Elder Scrolls game.
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>So many people in such a small area caused a food shortage and the Thervings began to starve.[22] Roman logistics could not cope with the vast numbers, and officials under the command of Lupicinus simply sold off much of the food before it reached the hands of the Goths. Desperate, Gothic families sold many of their children into slavery to Romans for dog meat at the price of one child per one dog.
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jesus christ
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lmao
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freaking lol
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another good reason why late antiquity, the total enslavement of lowly med cattle and total domination of Germanics over medcel agricultural livestock ever since were an act of justice by God
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kek
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>The imperial myth of Aeneas
>the myth of Trojan origins
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Everyone here always take stuff like this so cynically. I think it’s super cute that everyone who followed the Romans thought they were cool and larped as them.
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>Everyone here always take stuff like this so cynically
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It’s an enlightening look into just how influential the legacy of Rome was in medieval Europe. What better way to enhance one’s status then by claiming a connection to the OG global empire?
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What if Hector found a way to defeat the Sea Peoples? How would history be different?
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>krauts larping as anatolians
Maybe that’s why they love turks so much
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