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    • #67008
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      >The imperial myth of Aeneas would outlive the empire. In the turbulent third, fourth and fifth centuries CE, groups of Germanic warriors wrested much of western Europe from Roman control. Besides seizing territory, Germanic elites also appropriated the symbols of Roman authority, including the myth of Trojan origins. The Merovingians, rulers of the Frankish tribes who had seized what is now France, stole a page from Virgil’s book in the seventh-century Chronicle of Fredegar. This text traced the history of the Franks back to Francio, a clone of Aeneas who supposedly settled on the Rhine. When the Carolingians, a rival Frankish dynasty, deposed the Merovingians, these newcomers sought to prove that they were even more Trojan than the kings they had overthrown. In chronicles and poems, the propagandists of the Carolingian court celebrated its rulers as descendants of Aeneas, asserting their connections to the most celebrated Trojan exile.

    • #67009
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      >The other dynasties of western Europe forged their own stories of Trojan ancestry, eager not to let the Franks keep the symbolic heritage of Troy and Rome to themselves. After their conquest of England in 1066, the Normans, originally of Viking origin, invented the Trojan hero Brutus, who was said to have fled Troy at the same time that Francio and Aeneas were setting out for the Rhine and the Tiber. In Germany, rival dynasties seeking control of the Holy Roman Empire claimed that they, too, were the offspring of a Trojan refugee. Mythical genealogies offered a basis for elites across Europe to emphasise their superiority over common people. Heirs to Troy, and by extension to the Roman Empire, they had a right to rule inherited from the heroes of classical antiquity.

      why did European aristrocracy of rhe middle ages invent their med (roman, trojan, etc) origin? Were they ashames of their barbarian origin?

      • #67018
        Anonymous
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        >Were they ashames of their barbarian origin?
        yes

        • #67025
          Anonymous
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          bases charles, he deserves honorary med status

      • #67063
        Anonymous
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        Probably the same reason Anglos later started LARPing as Israelites. Aristocrats want to separate themselves from filthy commoners and make up an identity from some foreign nation with a meme mythos.

      • #67067
        Anonymous
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        >the Normans, originally of Viking origin, invented the Trojan hero Brutus

        Wasn’t it Geoffrey of Monmouth who did that and it was about the Britons being descended from him?

      • #67075
        Anonymous
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        The relatively simple version is – the pagan kings believed themselves to be in a sense fathers of their whole tribes with their ancestors being some god. So for instance Longobards have seen themselves as adoptive children of Odin.

        As they took on Christian beliefs, the clergy had to somehow manage this issue. Obviously no ruler wants to lose his pedigree, so what happened was that these gods have been turned into mortal men. However all mortal men have parents, duh, so to increase the prestige ruler’s pedigree gave(after all, they were always so important that we know their lineage going back to the creation of the world!) they’ve started inventing more and more elaborate fake genealogies, ideally going back to the deluge, from which you can just go back to Adam and Eve without trying. So the usual route was to identify them with one of the lost Israelite tribes that was meant to become either Scythians or Trojans and going out from there through arduous journey involving questionable etymology and "dude just trust me" level of proof.

      • #67086
        Anonymous
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        >the Normans… invented the Trojan hero Brutus

      • #67088
        Anonymous
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        I think they just wanted to claim le prestigious heritage but yeah probably ashamed too

    • #67010
      Anonymous
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      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"CE"

    • #67011
      Anonymous
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      >why did European aristrocracy of rhe middle ages invent their med
      They didn’t. Troy is Toia, a Finnish town. The geographical and artifact remnants from the Iliad are very clearly set in northern Europe.

      • #67013
        Anonymous
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        Post the map again

        • #67022
          Anonymous
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          Here’s one someone else posted a few weeks ago.

      • #67094
        Anonymous
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        No, Troy is Troia in Apulia, I mean it has the exact perfect name, duh, you’d have to be scrotebrained not to understand that. Mount Ida is the old name for the Gargano. That’s why it was so easy for Aeneas to settle in Rome, he just walked lol

    • #67012
      Anonymous
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      prop points over their new medcel feudal livestock subjects

    • #67014
      Anonymous
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      >Scholars who try to resist the rising tide of nationalism in Europe and throughout the world by pointing to the rich connections between cultures of the past should be on guard against undue optimism; for centuries, identification with immigrants from Asia Minor was an ironic but effective tool of imperial power

    • #67015
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      >Like the Romans, medieval Europeans used their purported connections to Troy as a rationale for conquest. In 1204, relatives of the French royal family diverted what was supposed to be a crusade in Syria and Palestine towards a new target: Constantinople. The capital of the Greek-speaking Byzantine Empire, it was the largest and wealthiest city in Europe. The crusaders sacked it, slaughtering thousands of fellow Christians. To justify their actions, French leaders of the crusade claimed that they were taking their revenge against the Greeks for the fall of their ancient Trojan homeland. Instead of fighting Muslims in the Holy Land, they refought the Trojan War.
      lmao

      • #67017
        Anonymous
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        Holy woke af. Fuck gayreeks

      • #67020
        Anonymous
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        lmao, imagine all the medcel tears and med pussy juices flowing, literally can’t stop being humiliated by northerners for thousands of years

        • #67023
          Anonymous
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          we wuzzzz troy and venetians and french too and shit

        • #67089
          Anonymous
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          >sacks weak capitals a couple of times
          >gets sold into sex slavery for centuries inbetween
          Projection

    • #67016
      Anonymous
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      The roots of all these institutions and norms are from the steppe, not Greece or anywhere in the Near-East.

      • #67021
        Anonymous
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        The steppe is a one big meme.

    • #67019
      Anonymous
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      Because it’s easier to take over preexisting institutions if you devise some way to tie yourself to them and not look like a filthy total outsider barbarian

    • #67031
      Anonymous
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      >imagine being proud of this
      >bahahah giga cope. roman aristocracy kept their lands, and feudal lords were like 1% of population anyway, wherever they were
      the absolute state of servile southern sewage, pure slavish resentiment

      • #67039
        Anonymous
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        Just a silly interpretation of Mussolini’s actions. He was trying to politically accomodate his alliance with Hitler and the German Nazis, who had made German supremacy an ideological centerpiece. Has nothing at all to do with his actual beliefs or feelings.

      • #67056
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        • #67060
          Anonymous
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          then reality hit both, and the pathetic, servile character of his race shined bright as a star as the little manlet, boasting about being the next Mummius Achaicus, got btfo by a bunch of gayreeks and albanians and had to cry for help for the "barbarian", only to see his "master race" people then surrender once again to Germanics from USA and England, going back to the usual normality of the last 1500 years, "barbarians" invading and telling "med master race" what to do

          • #67062
            Anonymous
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            What’s the weather like in stockholm?
            how many dildos did you throatfuck today swedebro?

      • #67068
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        • #67069
          Anonymous
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          >spain
          >nationalism
          >patriotism
          >history
          >pride
          >traditional values
          >ethnic centrism
          >MONOCULTURALISM

          >edgy monarchism on the left

          • #67070
            Anonymous
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            pretty much you could make the same argument for italy except edgy monarchism

            • #67080
              Anonymous
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              Italy is extremely ethnocentric and racist according to polls. Almost Hungary tier.

            • #67081
              Anonymous
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              No you can’t

      • #67091
        Anonymous
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        t. lives in his car

    • #67032
      Anonymous
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      oh no no

    • #67033
      Anonymous
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      […]

      the perpetually butthurt swedegroid isn’t memeing, everyone else is memeing

      • #67036
        Anonymous
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        and the medscrote? hes been posting baits literally daily now. they are both cancer

        • #67038
          Anonymous
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          the med is a levantine and a taleb fanatic
          welcome to every thread that ever alludes to ancient greece and rome, a shitfest between these two groids

          • #67042
            Anonymous
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            No he’s a south european nignog. I saw him posting on /poo/ too similiar threads

            • #67043
              Anonymous
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              he’s a syrian living in canada

              • #67044
                Anonymous
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                no, there’s at least a gayreek, a shitalian and that one super autist moortuguese forming the triumvirate of medmutt delusion on LULZ and /poo/

                • #67046
                  Anonymous
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                  i know what i’m talking about, he’s a scrote syrian taleb poster

                • #67050
                  Anonymous
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                  Pretty sure one of them is south slav too. I’ve seen same patterns of anti-german medscrote posts and anti-german slavscrote posts both here and on /poo/ so south slavshit is a logical homeland of this scrote. He also mentions height in every post which furthers the argument

    • #67034
      Anonymous
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      Meds ruled over white cattle

      • #67037
        Anonymous
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        >drinking horn on his belt
        That man is 100% Nordic.

    • #67035
      Anonymous
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      >larping as the losing side
      Why are they like this?
      At least the greeks larped as Achilles’ descendants

    • #67040
      Anonymous
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      […]

      telling that servile conquered sewage south their place is the minimum, their absolutely embarrassing sense of grandeur despite their history being that of pathetic conquered peoples is too cringy to be left aside, especially since they infest most threads on LULZ that have something to do with their former feudal lords

      • #67047
        Anonymous
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        >telling that servile conquered sewage south their place is the minimum, their absolutely embarrassing sense of grandeur despite their history being that of pathetic conquered peoples is too cringy to be left aside, especially since they infest most threads on LULZ that have something to do with their former feudal lords

    • #67041
      Anonymous
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      Carolingians are woke af

    • #67045
      Anonymous
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      You both are wrong, they are an amerimutt and a syrian MENAgroid

    • #67048
      Anonymous
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      Triggered whites are funny, they have been cattle since the last 5 millennia, since yamnaya overlords btfo Funnelbeaker whitoids

      • #67049
        Anonymous
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        >posting the survive the jive "reconstruction"

        • #67053
          Anonymous
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          eh? survive the jive is a nordic we wuzzer. so if this is his we can assume it was in fact much darker in reality

          • #67055
            Anonymous
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            das rite

      • #67052
        Anonymous
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        >Funnelbeaker
        most similar to modern meds, way to go you lowly conquered glorified plow
        conquered and humiliated, descendants of cattle used by northerners as farming equipment, a glorified giggaboo cotton picking negro ante litteram

        • #67054
          Anonymous
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          you are half funnelbeaker my dude

          • #67057
            Anonymous
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            nobody is perfect
            better 50% funnelbeaker than innumerable x%s of the entirety of the slaves and lowlives of the mediterranean basin throughout the ages

            • #67059
              Anonymous
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              okay half funnelbeaker mutt

              • #67061
                Anonymous
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                okay sewage product of the Orontes

        • #67058
          Anonymous
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          a lot of funnelbeaker and GAC blood flows through your veins

        • #67079
          Anonymous
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          The "Italian" looks exactly like a BROWN YAMNAYA/EARLY CORDED WARE BVLLS who raped White farmers.

          As always nice projection.

        • #67092
          Anonymous
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          t. 50% farmer

    • #67051
      Anonymous
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      […]

      worse

    • #67064
      Anonymous
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      Mediterranean is perfect, you cant look a mediterranean model and not think he/she is an embodied deity.

      Even Native Americans (and b*arbs at their time) bowed down behold meds and considered them as gods.

      • #67065
        Anonymous
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        ugly
        stop posting

        • #67066
          Anonymous
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          With those words a savage renegate of civilization and Reason as conductor of the mind.

          *Spit*

    • #67071
      Anonymous
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      Nordic vs Mediterranean bickering is so cringe. We get it, Skyrim was your first Elder Scrolls game.

    • #67072
      Anonymous
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      >So many people in such a small area caused a food shortage and the Thervings began to starve.[22] Roman logistics could not cope with the vast numbers, and officials under the command of Lupicinus simply sold off much of the food before it reached the hands of the Goths. Desperate, Gothic families sold many of their children into slavery to Romans for dog meat at the price of one child per one dog.

      • #67073
        Anonymous
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        jesus christ

      • #67074
        Anonymous
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        lmao

      • #67084
        Anonymous
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        freaking lol

      • #67085
        Anonymous
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        another good reason why late antiquity, the total enslavement of lowly med cattle and total domination of Germanics over medcel agricultural livestock ever since were an act of justice by God

      • #67093
        Anonymous
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        kek

    • #67076
      Anonymous
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      >The imperial myth of Aeneas
      >the myth of Trojan origins
      So you’re saying that the European aristocracy is TVRCIC?

    • #67077
      Anonymous
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      Everyone here always take stuff like this so cynically. I think it’s super cute that everyone who followed the Romans thought they were cool and larped as them.

      • #67082
        Anonymous
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        >Everyone here always take stuff like this so cynically
        globalized industrial civilization erases identity
        people compensate by ridiculing others

      • #67083
        Anonymous
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        It’s an enlightening look into just how influential the legacy of Rome was in medieval Europe. What better way to enhance one’s status then by claiming a connection to the OG global empire?

    • #67078
      Anonymous
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      What if Hector found a way to defeat the Sea Peoples? How would history be different?

    • #67087
      Anonymous
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      >krauts larping as anatolians
      Maybe that’s why they love turks so much

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