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EMPIRE OF THE GREEKS
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Read the secret histories, they were real btw
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>Justinian was a headless demon
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How many emperors were even born in modern day greece compared to other balkans? It’s an empire on no one really
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To be honest was an empire woke af on greek CULTURE/LANGUAGE, not greek RACE. It was more akin to the hellenistic multiracial muttdoms, rather than a greek ethnostate like the classical city-states
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>CULTURE/LANGUAGE
Meme. You were conquered subjects and you cope with muh culture
Should have fought a war and gained independence instead of WE WUZing-
>capital-greek
>language-greek
>christianity-greek
>literally everything greek
>"N-noooo this is still romah empire!!"
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All of that is wrong for some time greece wasn’t even part of it and many empires had their capital in conquered territory including their sassanian adversaries
>why
Because greeks/greece were conquered people and even MENA had more emperors so they unironically have a higher claim-
>even MENA had more emperors so they unironically have a higher claim
Metropoly, capital, elite, language are unnecessary, but some crowned dudes change everything? Ok.
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Casual LULZ mental illness and probably some balkanoid/turkroach butthurt as well. Ignore.
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>muh capital (which isnt even in modern greece) was in a central location which happened to be close to greece that means the empire which conquered greece was greek
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>modern greece
Kek, what a mantal gymnastics. -
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>Wikipedia article editable by amateurs about what can and can’t be called ‘greek’
Not a proof to anything
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>capital
Turkey
>language
Latin and greek
>christianity
Eastern christianity in general
>literally everything greek
Except it isn’t-
>Turkey
Lmao, what a cope.
At least it’s Thrace.
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Anyone who knows anything about the Roman empire knows that Greek was always the lingua franca of the eastern regions, that’s a basic grade school level fact
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>Capital
Founded by a Roman Emperor to replace Rome
>Language
The second official language of Rome
>Religion
The OG Roman Church, not the heretic in Rome
>Everything Greek
Everything Graeco-Roman-
>The OG Roman Church, not the heretic in Rome
They’re both Roman. In fact, they’re the only surviving vestiges of the Roman government at all.They just argue about who gets to be in charge because the Greeks like being a big fish in a small pond.
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The Romans ethnically were a three-way mutt mix of Greeks, Latins and Etruscans. After the conquest of Greece, and especially after the moving of the capital to Constantinople, the Greek ethnical identity gradually prevailed and eventually overshadowed the other two. Culturally they were already Greek from the get go.
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>The Romans ethnically were a three-way mutt mix of Greeks, Latins and Etruscans
Wrong. Romans originally were what you call ‘west med’ . The ‘east med’ shift occured with all sorts of migrations and slaves
No greek identity prevailed either. there have been 25 emperors from the balkans and 0 from greece-
Balkans were pretty much Greek back then, Slavs didn’t exist yet
>No greek identity prevailed either
graecia capta ferum victorem cepit et artes intulit agresti latio-
>Balkans were pretty much Greek back then, Slavs didn’t exist yet
No they were obviously their own group and you could make the same slav point about modern greeks -
you mispelled italian
Distance to: HRV_IA
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Slavs were already invading the Danube Limes by that time, so they definitely existed.
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Post-Heraclius, yes.
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Heraclius was Cappadocian Greek, not Armenian.>Pontian Greek full-on ERE LARP
>ancestors arrived in Greece for the very first time in 1924, unironically spoke ANATOLIAN, not even Ottoman Turkish
>Thessalians and Cretans called them TURK SEED-
Sfakiote here, we still call them Turk seed, there’s nothing more repulsive than a Pontian Greek, the most abominable and insufferable breed of Greek, while genetically and culturally the least. Imagine a small head, a MASSIVE nose, and a ZIKA-shaped back of the head, and surname ends with -IDIS.
Daily reminder they rarely, if ever, enlisted in the Greek army in a war WHICH WE DECLARED BECAUSE OF THEM.
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They also formed the majority of collaborators in WW2, Orientals are effeminate cowards.
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Oh please modern Cretans (or should I say cretins) do nothing but smoke weed and be leftist parasites
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Do I need to translate it, or will you?
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What is this and why do I care? Also aren’t you the Balkan Turk larper?
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>ACTUAL Turk calls a Slav a "Balkan Turk" LARPer
>W-what is this
Recoiling already, KARAgidis? Remember, you’re brown and ugly, and you’re as Greek as that scrote who plays in the NBA, yet for some reason, you bursting with ERE and Greek patriotism. -
You literally larped as a Janissary dumbass. Yet you call me a Turk derisively? I see you suffer from the same complex that actual Turks do
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>you literally LARPed as a Janissary
Never happened, and I don’t give three shits what butthurt Anatolian Turks (the population you cluster the most) who spam scrote-shit behind my pseudonym do for months after I’ve trashed them in arguments.>Yet you call me a Turk derisively
Because you genetically are an Anatolian Turk’, your ACTUAL Greek countrymen called you as such, because you act, think, and look like them, a daily reminder that the majority of your stunted, shitskinned population form the majority of anti-Greek parties of today.>I see you suffer from the same complex that actual Turks
ACTUAL Greeks of old were right about Orientals, you truly are effeminate cowards, get a load of this "NO, YOU" woman-tier argument, here’s the result of being (((Pontian))) "Greek", disgusting creature.>inbefore even more TIN PATRIDA COPE
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Kek, all this started because someone rightfully called out a Cretan to curb his enthusiasm. Imagine thinking that you put anyone in their place with your spergout. For someone who has never lived in Greece (I hope, because Balkan filth such as you is the worst here) you sure are emotionally invested
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It was not Cretan, just Svetovid LARPing. The guy is literally mentally ill.
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It’s always name scrotes or avatarscrotes that are the worst. Reddit tier characteristics
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It’s always name scrotes or avatarscrotes that are the worst. Reddit tier characteristics
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ITT: galactic cope of genuine shitskins who aren’t even noise-level Greek by DNA, but are an unholy DNA sink from the gutter of Eurasia – Anatolia.
Before I forget "bitches of Communists, Germans, and the EU", you just described Greeks, since the Greek Partisans were just puppets of the Soviets and the Yugoslav Partisans, whereas post-WW2, you’re lowly assets of NATO and the German-dominated EU – who now literally own your very existence, and the only country in Europe to go bankrupt in a century, and only because the EU shut down the free-money pipe. Also, unlike Greece, Yugoslavia was one of the three global powers during the Cold War: "Nine years later, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the chief advisor to President Jimmy Carter, said that Yugoslavia, together with the United States and the Soviet Union, was the only country that had affirmed itself as a global factor. Belgrade’s position in the Non-Aligned Movement was constructive. In the light of the dying détente, parallel to an increase in the number of conflicts in the Third World, the behavior of Cuba and Vietnam, Yugoslavia really seemed like an “American communist ally”, whereas the peak of Greek foreign policy was crying to the British because Yugoslavia was massacring all the Pontian mutts who were dropped in modern-day MK, pathetic.
>ever done for the world
Daily reminder that Greeks haven’t done a thing for more than 2000 years, the last good thing was letting Serb soldiers and governors inseminate Persida in the tens of thousands during the 40-years Serb rule over Greece, but then again, you’re not Greek, you’re Pontian. -
Yugoslavia was only relevant as the equivalent of a dmz you absolute scrote. You were no China or USSR or USA. Holy shit your delusions are insane
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The geopolitical and historical realities of the Cold War and the assessments of the White House’s Intelligence services beg to differ, as demonstrated. Yugoslavia, unlike Greece, wielded global influence, and was the undisputed leader of the Non-Aligned Movement, and was integral to any global decision-making. Foremost example: 140 Yugoslav tanks prevented the formation of Greater Israel, the conquest of Egypt and Cairo, and the subsequent fall of the Arab world. Your reach, on the other hand, was to wail about Karagidis being dipped in shit in Bitola to the British. Incidentally, we refused to join the EU in 1972, because we didn’t need them, whereas you’ll never leave the EU, because then you’ll starve, like parasites.
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I don’t remember the Pontic ever flooding Europe’s brothels with their wives and daughters tho, unlike some certain someones
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Kek this
>Slavs during dark ages: whores of the Avars Gepids etc.
>Slavs during early to mid medieval ages:whores of Vikings Germans Bulgars b(thraco Turks) Magyars and Rome
>Slavs during late medieval/early modern ages: whores of Mongols Austrians Russian Vikings Ottoman Turks and Magyars
>Slavs during Renaissance to enlightenment: more of the same, plus even Swedes made them their bitches
>Slavs during contemporary times: bitches of communists Germans and the EU, infamous for being whores in every Mediterranean country -
Slavs during the Dark ages mogged both the Avars and the Greeks, the former was invited by actual Greeks to stop the Slavs and failed spectacularly: "Daurentius is the first Slavic chieftain to be recorded by name, by the Roman historian Menander Protector, who reported that the Avar khagan Bayan I sent an embassy, asking Daurentius and his Slavs to accept Avar suzerainty and pay tribute because the Avars knew that the Slavs had amassed great wealth after repeatedly plundering the Byzantine Balkan provinces. Daurentius reportedly retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs […] so it shall always be for us",[4] and had the envoys slain. Bayan then campaigned (in 578) against Daurentius’ people, with aid from the Byzantines, and set fire to many of their settlements, although this did not stop the Slavic raids deep into the Byzantine Empire.[5]", the rest is galactic cope as well since Slavic expansion was accomplished at the expense of Turkic, Germanic, and Roman adversaries, the only ones to reverse it were the Hungarians and the Ottomans, and the latter was utterly defeated by Bulgarians, Serbs, and Montenegrins.
>Swedes
Mogged by Poles, Pomeranians, and Russians.>Russian Vikings
The Rurikids self-identified as Slavs in the Primary Chronicle and swore only by Perun and Veles as early as Oleg, and the Varangians and the Rus’ are not one and the same.>Mongols
rebuffed at Kulikovo and every consecutive battle>Renaissance to Enlightenment
Periods where the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, then Russia, dominated.>contemporary times
The most delusional part, since the Greek state was formed as a British interest, with a German dynasty to boot, which is ironic, since your premise is that Slavs were ruled by foreigners for all of history, even though Greeks were ruled by foreigners since the Roman conquest, barring one or two native Greek dynasties, whereas only the first two Bulgarian dynasties were of non-Slavic origin. -
Yes, we noticed that you bred well beyond humanistic purposes like the Germans did towards the end of WRE. A momentous feat no doubt. And at least we fought back against the Turks even if with help while you still remain supplicant to them Bosnian. Or the Nato garden gnomes or the Russians, depending on whose ballsack is bigger at the moment. Not unlike the other Southern Slavs really. Also, are you actually a pure Bosnian or a pan Slavist? You really seem to go back and forth on that
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>are you actually a pure Bosnian or a pan Slavist?
He’s a swarthoid who is short for a Bosnian so it’s entirely safe to say he has turkroach blood somewhere in him. -
The Bosnian average is the tallest in the world, ranging from 180-185, depending on the region, whereas you’re a mutt from a lesser nation, and there was no Ottoman Turkish colonization of the South-Slavic speaking territories, barring parts of Bulgaria and MK, whereas the Netherlands, Germany, and Sweden alone are being mass-colonized by Esek-Turks, thus perpetually subhuman.
>Slavs mogged
Yes, thus the reason why modern-day Greeks have more than a third of Slavic Y-DNA lineages. Ironically, Radun the rapist of Persida is more Greek than the Pontian Greek who stepped foot in Greece for the first in 1924, and as a refugee, not as a conqueror, pathetic.
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>Bosnian average
Little boy, we are referring to your own personal manlet height, not some national average.
>a lesser nation
The only thing that qualifies as a lesser nation as Bosnia is some Middle Eastern or African nation perhaps, but I am not from either. Know your freaking place as a slav(e) from a mudslime nation. -
1. Even Krajina Bosnians, who’re only 179 on average, are taller than 99% of Germascrote nations.
2. You’re being mass-colonized by the gutter of the Third World, whereas South Slavs downed several empires in their aspiration for sovereignty, our power-level is vastly above yours, garden gnome-servant.
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You unironically live in a third-world mudslime nation. Sit down and shut the fuck up.
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t. went bankrupt, like an average, SSA Third World shithole
Except I’m 180/181, which is above the average of most of Europe, but that’s not surprising, since the majority of Europe is effeminate Germascrotes (meaning you), I mogg you, your father, and your entire lineage, the fact I’m rent-free inside your head, after more than a year, is proof enough.
This jaw alone outweighs the accomplishments of your whole nation, sad!
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>181cm
as I said, a freaking manlet kek
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>copes after being mogged
>has more Muslims inside his country, who are actively replaying native Y-DNA as we speak, than Bosnia and Herzegovina. Our Muslims are native converts, yours are Sudanese scrotes, gutter-tier Arabs, and Anatolian Turks, your daughter will be married off to a 65-year old Arab when she turns 10, sad! -
>manlet brags about mogging someone else
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Bosnia is a third-world muslim nation. You are fooling nobody.
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a war-torn Bosnia and Herzegovina are better at preventing natural disasters than Greece are, EU’s baby-state that survives off its pity money and tourism, not even Greece’s nature itself desires your Pontian asses living there, hilarious.
Which fat did you have in mind? For a man of my size and weight (up to 100 kilograms), I’ve exceptionally low body and facial fat, superior genes, and all.
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the fat from your recent photos, the ones you aren’t posting at the moment
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This photo was taken a week or so ago, and my genes cry for Mediterranean pussy, and excess red meat, whereas modern-day Greek cuisine, is primarily comprised of ANATOLIAN Greek dishes, so in other words, your genes and culture are Anatolian, not mine. Funny thing, "Gyros" is a carbon copy of Mussie food.
No, whereas you live in a fake nation, imagine being Radun’s rape-baby, and pretending your Pericles, the travesty.
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You live in a third-world muslim nation.
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>ooga booga where da med wimmens at
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Slavic, out of 17 mtDNA lineages (female), South Slavs share only 7 with other Slavs at similar frequencies, the rest are Mediterranean trophies of war, Mediterranean pussy hits differently than Olga’s.
Greece went bankrupt 12-13 years ago, whereas not a single ex-Yugoslav country went bankrupt, not even during the wars, haha.
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Bosnia is financially propped up by aid from amerimutts, it’s nothing to brag about, despite this you are still a third-world nation. Nobody wants to visit your nation and yet Greece is a common tourist destination, especially with women.
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Ex-Yugoslavia, while being most landlocked, are hotspots for female sex tourism from Western and Northern Europe, women of all ages from the 20s to their early-to-mid 40s, and they bring Olaf’s and Johann’s life savings to fund their railing, also, taking pride in foreigners taking a fat shit in your sea is giga-cuck behavior, and talking about Bosnia being propped up by aid, whereas the Greek state was, during its entire existence, propped up by Western interests and money, especially that of the EU, is beyond ironic. We all saw what happens when Whitey shuts down the pipe, you go bankrupt in a moment, and you commit mass suicides because you have to pay taxes, pitiful.
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Better to be propped up by the EU (considering all of Europe has Greece to thank for even existing it’s more like long-deserved tribute) is leagues better than being gifted welfare money from amerimutts just because they feel pity for you.
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>considering all of Europe has Greece to thank for even existing it’s more like a long-deserved tribute
?????? You’re not just Pontian and impotently seething for hours, but you’re also mentally impaired, to boot, how amusingly dreadful. All of Europe, if anything, looks to Romans and Rome for inspiration, not Greeks, and just by having to rationalize and defend the fact that your literal survival is tied to being EU’s and NATO’s pets (don’t forget them) is laughable, and tells us of the reality and the full extent of the wretchedness of your nation, at least South Slavs are aware that they’re being subverted and subjugated by the EU and the NATO, whereas you take pride in it, tortured and pitiful, like a Helot in need of approval. -
Romans themselves were Greekaboo LARPers, every Roman leader or high-class citizen of any distinction learned Greek and sought to emulate them up to and including adopting Greek pantheon and philosophical concepts. When the Empire was invaded by barbarians, the stronger, Greek portion remained. Caesar’s last words were uttered in Greek. Europe owes everything to Greeks, including the name.
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Kek gayreeks were literally enslaved by romans
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Greece at the time was rife with internal problems that ultimately led back to Alexander’s untimely death. I’m not taking anything away from Rome, the fact is they came up copying Greek culture in every possible way, even copying Greek military technology during their rise. The written history of Rome began with Greece and ended with Greece.
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Sounds like cope for being a conquered bitch
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Hilarious considering Latins were quickly and summarily conquered by savage barbarians while the Greek portion of empire went on to survive another millennia
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t. half of territory conquered by Slavs
t. Greece made a Sklavinia and off-limits to Constantinople for several hundred years
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Where was Latin Rome during this? Oh yes, gone for 1,000 years, conquered by germanic apes. This tiny meme empire collapsed after 25 years (just like every other Serbian attempt at a state in history up to and including modern times where it is falling apart as we speak) and only existed in the first place because of civil war.
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All of Southeastern Europe, including Greece, was conquered by Slavs, even after the Greeks have weaponized the Avars against them, who were all but exterminated by the invading White Serbs and White Croats, whereas the Serbian Empire was made possible at the battle of Velbazhd, where Wallachia, Bulgaria, and the ERE were utterly annihilated by smaller, yet superior Serb army, the 40-years of the Serbian Empire was built on the seizing of the lands of lesser men, and amusingly enough, Dusan was poisoned by Greek priests, who were aware that he was going to besiege and take Constantinople, which is fitting since poison is the weapon of cowards and women, equally Greek traits. Speaking of Serb states, they must be destroyed by multiple great powers to stop their rise, whereas a modern Greek state can exist as long as it spreads its already overused poopyhole to the whole of the West.
In regards to the last ERE civil war, what the Bulgarians, Ottomans, and Serbs have in common is that they all equally utilized Greeks as fodder for their ambitions. Also, ERE wasn’t ruled by ethnic Greeks, and incidentally, modern Greek state was ruled by a German dynasty, impotent.
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Slavs, much like Germans, were at best opportunistic scavengers who swarmed in during times of civil war or general turmoil/instability and settled in the lands already developed by others. That you somehow consider this a brag-worthy accomplishment is laughable. Your ancestors (the non-Turkic ones I mean) spent their days huddled together naked in the cold swamps of their filthy muddy homelands while Greeks were advancing in the sciences, philosophy, mathematics and art.
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Slavs were conquerors of Roman territories, colonizers of lesser men, vanquishers of Roman armies, the hammers that destroyed cities and fortresses, and the military elite north of the Danube.
Procopius about Roman attempts to stop the Slavic invasion:
"(…) the Empire wasn’t able to find just one only man just as brave to undertake this task.""Daurentius (to the Avar envoy): "Who is, then, the man which basks in sunlight that threatens to conquer our strength? We are used to ruling over others, not to being ruled over – of that we are certain for as long as wars are waged and swords are forged".- Menander Protector
Menander Protector:
"(…) About the fourth year of the reign of Caesar Tiberius Constantine, some hundred thousand Slavs broke into Thrace, and pillaged that and many other regions. As Greece was being laid waste by the Slavs, with trouble liable to flare up anywhere, and as Tiberius had at his disposal by no means sufficient forces, he sent a delegation to the Khagan of the Avars. (…)",And unlike you, I know my ancestors by name, deed, and station going back as far as the mid-17th century, and the late 14th century, depending on lineage, whereas your Turk-seed Pontian forefathers were given Greek-sounding surnames for the first time in 1924, beyond pitiful.
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South Slavs were little more than pests, came in during a time of crisis and left everything worse than they were before, had the humiliation of being ruled by Germans, then commies, now your specific breed of Slavic(-Turkic hybrid) vermin propped up by amerimutts while you watch Serbia fall apart.
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South Slavs were invading for the better part of the 6th and 7th centuries, which refutes the seethe about alleged abuse of crises, and only the Holstein Gottorp cadet house of the original Russian/Slavic Romanovs was German in origin, all other Slavic dynasties, barring the first two Bulgarian ones, were of Slavic origin, and talking about foreign dynasties, when Greeks were ruled by foreigners from the Roman conquest of Greece and up until recently is a laughably ironic, daily reminder that your modern royal dynasty is of German origin, whereas the modern Serb and Montenegrin dynasties were of Slavic origin. The Communists you speak of were made of native Slavic Partisans, men who’ve liberated their country from a vastly superior Axis army, and who’s unlike Greece, established a Yugoslavia which was the third Global power during the Cold War, unlike Greece, which was a NATO and EU subsidiary (and still is). Serbia, on the other hand, has the whole of the West and the NATO breathing down its throat, the power levels are very, very apparent.
>Slavic(-Turkic hybrid)
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>serbia power level
top freaking kek
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Wishful thinking of lesser men, even this state of the territory is the result of nearly twenty years of the West and NATO waging a war against Yugoslavia and Serbia (being opposed to the West, whereas Greeks are a Western asset), whereas Greeks lost at Cyrpus against Esek-Turk reservists, hilarious.
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It wasn’t until Nikephoros’ defeat by the Bulgars that the Slavs ever became a true threat to the Empire as a unified force. For over a century they were playing wack a mole with the Slavs by marching in with an Imperial army, crushing them and as soon as they leave another one takes their place. Only Krum changed that with his victory and his confederacy was on the verge of destruction before it.
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>6th and 7th centuries reports and writings stating that the Slavs are unstoppable
>Roman generals literally refusing to fight them, barring Priscus and Maurice, who admired them
Galactic cope, there were a few dozen campaigns led against Slavs and only these were relatively successful. ERE failed militarily against the Slavs, but where it did succeed was by integrating the Slavs in their elite military units, and granting their tribal rulers imperial seals, and officially ennobling them. Even after Christianization, "Greeks" were ruled by Slavs, hilarious.The local Slavic colonists were Christianized and thus subjected to Byzantine authority, often in autonomous territories under their own archontes, this method of reintegration of lost Roman territories was the only way of permanently integrating the conquering Slavs and the lands they’ve conquered from Rome (Nesbitt & Oikonomides 1994, pp. 22–24, Koder & Hild 1976, pp. 57–58.).
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That doesn’t change what I said. The Slavs were not a unified group and had to be commandeered by the Bulgars to even stand up to them. The Slavic migrations were not some grand military triumph because there was no unified effort against the Romans, in the 6th century the Slavs were only able to settle around the borders of Illyria and were incapable of making it into the interior. Maurice was a constant campaigner and smashed the Avars and Slavs at every corner he could.
>officially ennobling them
The Byzantines had no concept of nobility and the Archons were defiantly vassals. It was only the Bulgarians that stood up to Byzantium, the rest of the Slavs were a side show which accomplished little to nothing. -
>there was no unified effort against the Romans
The conquest of Roman territories by the Slavs quite literally proves the opposite, their invasions and conquests weren’t random, but organized, and preplanned.>That doesn’t change what I said
It refutes what you’ve said because it shows that Romans have had little military success against the Slavs, in the 550s alone, a massive Roman army was defeated beneath Adrianople by the Sclavenes, who made it as far as the Long Wall.>by the Bulgars to even stand up to them
The Slavic invasion was successfully finished in the 650s, whereas the Bulgars and the Seven Slavic tribes arrived in modern-day Bulgaria in 680. The Slavs have conquered most of SE Europe and all of Mainland Greece, barring Thessalonika some 30-40 years prior to the arrival of the Bulgars, It took ERE 300 years to retake Greece from Slavs, let alone the rest.>in the 6th century the Slavs were only able to settle
False, the first largest colonization efforts affected modern-day Bulgaria, and in the interior, the first permanent colonization occurs in 581, as part of the invasion of the Slavs led by Radogost, the territory they conquered covered all of MK and Greece all the way down to periphery of the southern Peloponnesus.>The Slavs were not a unified group
False, the Sclavenes were initially led by a supreme ruler, the aforementioned Daurentius, and then by rulers who’ve commanded a multitude of tribes, like Radogost (transliterated as Ardagast) and Chatson, whereas the Antes were led by Muzhok, and were a hereditary monarchy.> and the Archons were definitely vassals
Only post-late 8th-century archons were definitely vassalized, and either way, the ERE legitimized their conquests and rule over Romans, which further proves the aforementioned.>at every corner he could
Maurice himself stated that the Slavs were the greatest threat to Rome on the Northern Limes, and both he and Priscus failed at stopping the invading Slavs. -
>the 40-years of the Serbian Empire
25
>Speaking of Serb states, they must be destroyed by multiple great powers to stop their rise -
40, just ruled by Dusan for the first 25 years, and yes, multiple powers attempted to destroy Serbia out of fear of it half a dozen times in history, the first proper example being Velbazhd, where we gutted the Bulgarian emperor and slaughtered the whole army.
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>bigger army beats smaller army
And what does the Serbo-Bulgarian war have to do with "multiple powers attempted to destroy Serbia out of fear"? Serbia attacked Bulgaria and got btfo. Also, no matter how much you want Serbia wasn’t an empire for 40 years. It became an empire when Dusan got coronated as an emperor. And lets not forget that he was half-Bulgarian. -
Bulgarians deny the longevity of the Serbian Empire because the Bulgarian Empire was vassalized by the Serb Empire in the aftermath of Velbazhd, and the Serbo-Bulgarian war is meaningless, given that Bulgaria would be defeated in the Second Bulgarian War and the First World by Serbia, to the point where you had to pay massive restitution and surrender all of Macedonia to us. Before I forget, Serbia’s triumph at Velbazhd laid Bulgaria on the path of defeat, and the Bulgarian Empire was merely annexed by the Ottomans just half a century later. Serbia rose by defeating Bulgaria and the ERE.
>.And let’s not forget that he was half-Bulgarian
No one pays heed to maternal lineage, but garden gnomes and those who are desperate.>bigger army
No, it was the opposite, it’s just that Bulgarians constantly edit the information to make it seem like less of a shameful defeat, in reality, the Bulgarian army was numbered in the lower 20000s. -
Sure thing, anon. Your greatest ruler needed BVLLGAR genes so that he can become an emperor. But because they came from a woman the empire lasted only 25 years.
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>t. loses 3/4 modern wars against Serbs
>t. loses 3/4 medieval wars against Serbs
And the Shismans weren’t Bulgars (who’ve assimilated into Slavs under Boris), but paternally Slavs.>Under the Treaty of Neuilly, signed in November 1919, Bulgaria lost its Aegean coastline to Greece and nearly all of its Macedonian territory to the new state of Yugoslavia.
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Yes, Greek portion. The state language even rapidly went back to Greek, by 620 AD it was made the official language of the Empire.
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>Romans themselves were Greekaboo LARPers, every Roman leader or high-class citizen of any distinction learned Greek and sought to emulate them up to and including adopting Greek pantheon and philosophical concepts. When the Empire was invaded by barbarians, the stronger, Greek portion remained. Caesar’s last words were uttered in Greek. Europe owes everything to the Greeks, including the name.
The absolute state of civic-nation made of Radun’s rape-babies, Arvanites, and Turk-Seed Pontians, all of this LARP, just to rationalize surviving only thanks to being on NATO’s and EU’s payroll, at least you’re aware of it, that’s a start. -
Again, infinitely better to be given tribute by the rest of Europe (in particular from barbarian snowscrotes) than to rely on pity-aid from savage anglo-descended amerimutts.
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Thunderously laughable cope, and I repeat, the mutt of mutts, you were NATO’s pets longer than you were EU’s pets, so this argument about Amerimutts propping up Bosnia and Herzegovina is beyond ironic.
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Talk about ungrateful, throwing around that mutt word when as we speak your own masters who keep you propped up out of sheer pity are this planet’s most notorious mutts.
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The crucial difference between Greece and ex-Yugoslavia is that the former will flourish when foreigners are defeated and no longer subverting it with neo-colonization, whereas the latter quite literally goes bankrupt whenever foreign money stops pouring in. Translation, Turk-seed too stupid and too impotent to govern himself, better kiss that German hand that subjugates you, it’s your only guarantee of survival, hahaha.
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>The crucial difference between Greece and ex-Yugoslavia is that the former will flourish when foreigners are defeated and no longer subverting it with neo-colonization, whereas the latter quite literally goes bankrupt whenever foreign money stops pouring in.
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????? Except I’ve never denied that after Yugoslavia was destroyed by the West and NATO, ex-Yugoslavia is vassalized and subverted by the West, it’s you who pretend that Greece is independent and strong, even though it’s a shithole that exists for the sole purpose of Western interests, and this, unlike in the case of Ex-Yugoslavia, is a Greek phenomenon from the 19th century.
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Kek nordoids of LULZ(nel) never recovered from this pic. Every single time it’s posted they disappear like snow under the sun
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all nordoids are women inside soon even men will be pouring in
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You live in a muslim nation.
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At least you have a decent jaw, shame that your brain is rotten
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in his recent pictures his jaw is now hidden under fat
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>once again referring to national averages
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>Cultureless shithole
>Vicariously trying to live through imagined rape of others
>Also calls others scrotes
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Imagine being from freaking Bosnia and thinking you are in any position to shit-talk any other nation
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Amusingly, native Greek prostitutes form the bulk of Greece’s sex workers, but there’s a lot of demand for "roleplay" where they’re paid extra to pretend to be Slavic (names like Svetlana are the most popular demands, hahaha), which is not surprising because to Greeks, Slavic women are what WASP women are to scrote, a form of validation of their own humanity. There’s also the matter that more than a third of Modern-day Greek Y-DNA is Slavic-derived, even after the settling of millions of Pontians (read, Anatolian Turks), so it must be genetic memory, whereas the majority of non-Greek prostitutes are of Moldavian and Romanian, not even Ukrainian origin.
>cost of Greek woman, a sandwich
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world/greek-girls-selling-sex-for-the-price-of-a-sandwich-study/story-JlVvAyx1FrT5x0ISAAdXaO.html>even more womanposting
>pretends he’s amused, and not in tears
Turk-seed behavior, and it’s obvious your ass is burning, given this need to reassure yourself after you got trashed, and talking about other ethnicities in Greeks, while you’re the most infamous and the most hated, is beyond hilarious.Cretans and Thessalians, unlike Pontians, are actual Greeks, don’t ever forget that, KARAgidis.
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Funny how we are disproportionately more successful than them. Really gives the noggin a jogging. It’s also funny how there won’t be a greek that disproves or is randomly butthurt about Micrasiates and Pontics but a random literal who from some Balkan shithole.
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Also, did you just imply you are Ukrainian after all? Are you aware how everyone sees your country?
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He’s Bosnian
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I also literally don’t understand his vitriolic derision. It’s like the pot calling the kettle black. What has Bosnia ever done for the world? A fake Muslim shithole carved out due to realpolitik of the most supplicant Balkan people
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You don’t reason with mental illness
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>pretend to be Slavic
Lmao the cope. Face it, there’s a high chance that one of the females of your family has worked in my siss, taking the virginity of our teenage boys. You grew up with the lunch money some 14yo kid paid to your mother and grandmother to turn him into a man. Whatever you post here doesn’t change this simple fact. -
The cope is thinking that by freaking "Svetlana", you will get back at 6th and 7th-century Radun (check your Y-DNA, you’re the result of his invasion) for raping some random Persida, and conquering half of ERE’s territory, and rendering Greece a Sklavinia for several consecutive centuries. GREEK EMPIRE, BUT WITHOUT GREECE, and unfortunately for you, Yugoslav women are a rarity in prostitution, so the idea that some dysgenic Petros is gonna fuck Ivana is unlikely, and just his fantasy, seethe more, though, and a massive @@ at you admitting being desperate enough to pay for pussy, pathetic, hahaha.
>we fought
The Anatolian Greeks offered little to no resistance to the Ottoman Empire, which quite literally annexed the majority of post-Fourth Crusade Greek states, entire dynasties, like that of the Evrenos, even allied with the Ottomans, and became trusted Ghazi, and again, Greece’s existence is tied to her being a Western asset, it’s a phantom civic-nation state and an INTEGRAL member of the NATO and the EU, unlike Bosnia and Herzegovina, it’s telling how all your arguments against Slavs are literal projections, Yugoslavia had to be destroyed by the West and NATO for her successor-states to be vassalized, whereas you were a vassal from the start. Also, it was the Serbian and Bulgarian military efforts that largely defeated the Ottomans, not that of Greece, which only rode the wave for the sake of its expansion, and nothing else. Remember, Serb Uprisings inspired the Greek and Bulgarian ones, not vice versa. -
Send more of your 10/10 female relatives (mother, sisters, daughters I don’t care) and stop nagging, my dick ain’t gonna suck itself. Less talk, more pussy.
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I agree, less talk, more pussy for Radun, who raped Greeks so hard his Y-DNA forms more than a third of Greek paternal lineages, historical and genetic proof of who mogged whom. You’re a Slavic rape-baby, Petros.
>imagined
>genetic and historic proof confirms it
It’s understandable that a civic-nation composed of Slavic rape-babies, Arvanites, and Turk-Seed Pontians would sneer at facts, while LARPing to be sons of Zeus, pathetic.Imagine going bankrupt in the age of modern, global digital economies, at least we got to see drama where thousands of Greeks were offing themselves by jumping off of the building, Tin Patrida 2.0.
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>Turkic rapebaby from a muslim nation calling others rapebabies
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1. South Slavs have 0% Turkic, Anatolian Turkish, and East Asian DNA, I even red-sided these population references, since your cognition is limited by your Anatolian DNA, subhuman mutt. haha.
2. I repeat, 30-40% Y-DNA in mainland Greeks, depending on the region, is Slavic-derived, textbook rape-babies.
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>30-40% Y-DNA in mainland Greeks, depending on the region, is Slavic-derived
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No, because 99% of I2a in Greece is of the Din-Y-3120 variety, which is a Slavic mutation, whereas the totality of R1a in Greece is sharpy divided into the M458 and L260 brackets, which are Slavic-only mutations of R1a. Thing is, this is historical DNA, stemming from the invasion-era, not recent, so moot point.
>manlet brags about mogging someone else
pure cope
you live in a muslim nation>by percentage population
Peak cope, total numbers are true representatives, France alone has 6-7 million Muslims, quite literally twice of Bosnia’s total population, including non-Muslims, whereas in the Netherlands, they’ll be the majority in about a quarter of a decade, whereas in Germany, in about half a century. Sweden is self-explanatory, the rape capital of Europe and Habibi’s and Kunta’s Harem. -
>total number is better than per capita/percentage
I’d call this cope but it’s really just your turkic IQ at work -
t. has genuine Turkic and Anatolian Turkish input
The archetypical Pontian Greek, the pride of Pericles. -
Your behaviour, swarthy hairy appearance and manlet status and random seething about garden gnomes all confirm the obvious- you are in fact of turkic lineage, likely not a rapebaby but instead the result of a consensual sex between a turkroach male and serboid female around the time your ancestors were conquered
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>Din-Y-3120 variety, which is a Slavic mutation
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It is, firstly because all of its ancient samples are found in the Medieval Slavic north, like Niem6 and Niem13 in Poland (Stolarek et al. 2018; Zenczak et al. 2017), VK542 (Gleb Sviatoslavich) in Ukraine, and VK53 in Sweden (Margaryan et al. 2019), Sunghir6 in Russia (Sikora et al. 2017), KEII/16, KEII/52, KEIII/11, K2/16, K2/52, KR/12, and MH/9, MH/15, and MH/16 in Hungary, former Great Moravia(Neperáczki et al. 2019; Fóthi et al. 2019), and Zub12 and Zub15 in the Czech Republic (Kvítkova, 2010), and secondly, because it’s wholly absent in ancient, pre-Slavic populations of SE Europe, if you’re not Slavic and has I2a1b-Din as your Y-DNA, you’re Radun’s rape-baby.
Didn’t read, I’m a South Slavic god among men, descendant of conquerors and destroyers of empires, you on the other hand are Germanic, and your women are Habibi’s and Kunta’s property.
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Of fuck off Demetrios Papastapopulos. You invaded Turkey because you were butthurt allies gave Caria and Rhoses to Italy and Costantinople was turned into an indipendent state. You never cares about Pontus or Cappadocian greeks
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First of all that’s in all likelihood not a real Cretan and actually the bases of support for Venizelos were switched towards the beginning of said campaign; Venizelos order the crown prince to keep pushing for Salonika before the Bulgarians could take it and that’s why he great support here in Macedonia
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>LARP
have a nice day
>ancestors arrived in Greece for the very first time in 1924
A bunch of them came in the 90s from communist shitholes
>spoke ANATOLIAN, not even Ottoman Turkish
There’s no language in the world called Anatolian. They all spoke Greek
>Thessalians and Cretans called them TURK SEED
It was because of politics. Old Greeks were monarchists, immigrants used to be Venizelists. Thus old Greeks called them turkseeds i.e not real Greeks therefore their opinion is irrelevant.-
those who came from the SSSR were numbered only in hundreds of thousands, whereas the PONTIAN Pontians arrived in the millions, and no one said they spoke Anatolian, but Anatolian Turkish and they didn’t in fact, speak Greek, they literally had to attend schools to learn Greek upon arrival in the territories where they were settled, stop lying you -IDIS mutt, they didn’t call you such because of "politics", they called you as such because you spoke Anatolian Turkish, like the Kaba-Turks, and because you look like them.
>inbefore posts bust of Mycenean Greek
Incidentally, the average PONTIAN Greek stops saying he’s Pontian the moment he gets his DNA results, and they turn out anywhere between 0-4% in Mycenean (read, GREEK GOD, STRONG SPERM)
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Macedonia was Slavic
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>The Greek ethnical identity gradually prevailed
It took until the 13th century to even find its footing with the elites of society and until the 19th it wasn’t a popular one. The ethnic identity of Byzantium could hardly be Greek considering for nearly their entire history the identity didn’t exist.>Balkans were pretty much Greek back then
Do you know what the Illyrians are? They were a Latin speaking native population and composed most of the Balkans.-
Sure thing
>O Greeks, the occasion of our preservation for which you are assembled and the land in which you have been deployed are both truly fitting to evoke the memory of virtuous deeds. For our ancestors, fighting in this place in former times, did not let Greece down and deprive it of its free state, for they fought bravely in the Persian wars and in the conflict called the Lamian war, and when they put to flight Antiochos, the despot from Asia, at which time they were already working in partnership with the Romans who were then in command. (8) So perhaps it may be good fortune, in accordance with the daimonion, that it has been allotted to the Greeks to do battle against the barbarians in this region (indeed your own principles of fighting the wars have turned out to be valid in the past). But you may take confidence in both your preparation for these events and the strength of the region – as a result of which, in previous attacks you seemed terrifying to the enemies. On account of these things future events do not appear to me not without hope, as to better…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae_(254)-
Byzantium didn’t exist by any metric in the 3rd century and happens before the two most major acts of Romanization the Empire would ever commit to, Caracalla’s edict was a new concept to the Roman world and Christianity had yet to take center stage in Romanization. The ethnic identity which existed in the 3rd century cannot explain that of the 5th or 8th century much like how the later 13th century writers are worthless to proving the ethnic identity of Byzantium before them because of how radically different the world was to them and the point that cultures and identities change over time.
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>being proud of serving with the R*mans
The Roman conquest of Greece was a disaster for Greece proper
I hate Byzaboos and Christcucks so much-
Why do you pretend to care when you don’t give a shit enough to read?
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I know what that text says and it was one of the few times Roman Greece could see itself with pride.
The fact that Antiochus III was called a despot from Asia while they are proud of being a part of the R*man Empire shows how low they had fallen sadly.-
Not the text you idiot, anything of substance for the totality of Roman history, culture, law, and identity.
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>Do you know what the Illyrians are?
It is the geographical name that the Greeks gave to a bunch of different tribes who were living in Epirus. The majority of them were Greek, like the Chaonians and Molossians. Of course, they spoke Greek and not Latin.-
You make horrible bait. The province of Illyricum was the largest in the Balkans and was majority Latin speaking. It didn’t compose Epirus at all. Justin and Justinian were from the edge of the province next to the Greek ones and there were still native Latin speakers. Even at it’s most it included Pannonia who had Emperors like Valens who couldn’t speak Greek in the slightest.
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You asked if I know who the Illyrians were, not Illyricum. It’s not my fault if you don’t know the difference between some 6th century BC people and the Roman province.
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Again with the bait. The Romans knew what would become the province of Illyricum was Illyria before they had even conquered the region. The people living in Illyricum before the Romans were Illyrians.
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Illyrians were not a single ethnicity, Greeks just applied this term to a bunch of different tribes who were living in the north most of whom were Greek.
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The Illyrians weren’t Greek you scrotebrain, not even most of them. We literally know for a fact that they spoke their own language and even some words from it
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It will never be your empire Papadoupoulos.
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iirc byzantines didn’t really saw themselves as greek, they genuinely considered themselves roman
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Because they were mentally challenged, as most things greek
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Justinian was still an ethnic "Roman" even in the anachronistic LULZ understanding of things
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How? He was not Italian.
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Cope harder, german rapebaby
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Ρώμη, home…
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This thread got me to read the "Byzantine Greeks" article on Wikipedia and man identity is a funny thing.
> Throughout their history, the Byzantine Greeks self-identified as Romans (Greek: Ῥωμαῖοι, romanized: Rhōmaîoi), but are referred to as "Byzantine Greeks" in modern historiography.
>Many Greek Orthodox populations, particularly those outside the newly independent modern Greek state, continued to refer to themselves as Romioi (i.e. Romans, Byzantines) well into the 20th century. Peter Charanis, who was born on the island of Lemnos in 1908 and later became a professor of Byzantine history at Rutgers University, recounts that when the island was taken from the Ottomans by Greece in 1912, Greek soldiers were sent to each village and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the island children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. ‘’What are you looking at?’’ one of the soldiers asked. ‘’At Hellenes,’’ the children replied. ‘’Are you not Hellenes yourselves?’’ the soldier retorted. ‘’No, we are Romans,’’ the children replied.[129] The Roman identity also survives prominently in some Greek populations outside of Greece itself. For instance, Greeks in Ukraine, settled there as part of Catherine the Great’s Greek Plan in the 18th century, maintain Roman identity, designating themselves as Rumaioi.[130]
pretty interesting tbqh-
Greeks who were left out of the modern nation of Greece are still calling themselves Romans. Notably, Pontic Greeks in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakstan etc.
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Turks in Trebizon, along with Turkish, can speak another mysterious language which they call Rhomeika (Roman language). And yes, it’s Greek.
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Pretty much all of Europe and Northern Africa, and the places culturally derived from those locations are the descendants of Rome. Even the Germans and Slavs intermarried and adopted Roman culture to different extents.
A cynic might call it a LARP, but it’s the truth. The Romans didn’t die out, they just became different groups of people.
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Another interesting tidbit is that the Ottomans called all East Orthodox Christians Romans (Rum), whether they were Greek or not. Lead to a lot of nationalist controversies in the 19th century when the Greeks refused to recognize the independence of the various Slavic churches.
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Ottomans called the Slavs Rum? That’s hard to believe because Greeks themselves would never accept another ethnicity being called Roman other than them. Even during captivity, Greeks remained extremely prideful and arrogant towards the other populations of the Ottoman Empire, including Turks.
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He’s completely right tho, and it’s a pretty well-known fact.
Read up on the millet system. All orthodox Christians, regardless of the language they were speaking, were part of the Rum (Roman) millet; or nation. In Ottoman Empire the concept of "nation" was woke af on religion, not ethnicity, race, or language well into the 19th century (it was only with the rise of nationalism at that time that this changed and new millets began appearing)-
Then why when a Serbian became Patriarch of Constantinople the Greeks freaked out and forced him to resign within the same year? I think that you are oversimplifying things. Of course religion was important but ethnicities did exist in the Ottoman empire and they didn’t just identify with their religion. When Nicholas Mavrocordatos was saying "we are a race completely Hellenic" in 1717 I’m pretty sure he was referring to only the Greeks and not every Orthodox in the Ottoman empire.
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Sure but we aren’t talking about the ethnic groups self-perception here. The guy you have originally replied to (
) simply stated that Ottomans called all East Orthodox Christians Romans; and that’s a fact. By the Ottoman State, all the Orthodox Christians were consider to be part of a single Roman nation, and as the part of millet system of ethno-religious autonomy, they were part of one (formally) autonomous unit – the other two were Armenians and garden gnomes.
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Greeks subverted the Bulgarian and Serbian Orthodox churches in the Ottoman Empire to the point where the restored Patriarchate of Pech lost all relevance (and the Patriarchate in Sremski Karlovci took over), Phanariotes were notorious subhumans who’ve driven tens, even hundreds of thousands towards converting to Islam out of direness and spite.
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In addition to what the other anon said, it’s also interesting to note that the Habsburg monarchy sometimes referred to its Orthodox Christians merely as Greeks.
But tribal affinities always existed of course
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It’s not entirely correct. Turks usually used "Rum" to call the statal insitution know as the Byzantine Empire, as well as the anatolian greeks
proper mainland greeks instead were know as "Yunan", "Ionians", and their land "Yunanistan". "Ionians" was the term used in Asia since the classical age to refer to greeks, as Persians, Egyptians ect. first met the Ioanian branch thanks to their asia minor colonies
They kept this different denomination and even pushed it after the greek indipendence, to convince the anatolian hellenes that they were "something else" compared to the european ones
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>Turks usually used "Rum" to call the statal insitution know as the Byzantine Empire, as well as the anatolian greeks
"Rumlar" means "Greek in Turkey"
"Bizans" means "Byzantines" – ie the state
"Yunan" means "Greek in Greece"t. Turk
evidence: Greek Orthodox Church in Istanbul wikipedia page in Turkish
https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_Ortodoks_Kilisesi-
Bizans Is a modern term. Before the 20th the Empire was called "Kaiseri al Rum" or something similar (not a Turkish speaker) so "Empire of the Romans"
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The term Rumlar comes from the Persian "Rumi" which was what the Sassanian Persians referred to the Romans and later Eastern Romans as well, same with Byizanei. Yunan is clearly also a Turkish version of the Persian "Yuesha" which was what the Persians in Achaemenid and Sassanid times referred to Western Anatolia/Greek colonies.
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I wish Turks were more willing to adopt an Anatolian heritage as the Lebanese do with the Phoenicians, it’s a pretty badass aesthetic. I for one would love a witchy, tsundere Rumi hanım gf
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Better hellenic than roman tbh, hoplitres and philosophers are more kino than legionaries and lawyers.
Anyway, Eastern Roman Empire was the only surviving region of Rome.
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Eastern Rome was comprised of Romanised anatolians greeks, armenians,levantines and Egyptians LARPing as Ancient greeks, even arabs gave them shit for it back then funny enough.
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there seems to be a lot of turkroach cope in this thread lol
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Lot of greek cope as well. Obviously out of the modern existing countries, it’s Greece that is closest to being a Byzantium successor.
However, the Byzantines saw themselves as Romans first and foremost, not greek.
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>Roman government
>Roman identity
>Roman traditions
>Roman army
>Roman Senate
>Roman ideology
But yea they were Greeks all along-
Honestly there’s basically nothing of Hellenistic Greek culture left besides the language before the empire of Nicaea. And even then Byzantine Greek was incredibly Latinized, with hundreds of loan words, names, and a massive change in pronunciation of words. They really were Romanized through and through after Christianity.
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This is why I am so conflicted on the way Greece exists in its current state as a Hellenic larper meanwhile the people who uphold the orthodox Religion are as Roman as they come.
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You wouldn’t be as conflicted if you paid any attention to the facts posted ITT like
The Romans ethnically were a three-way mutt mix of Greeks, Latins and Etruscans. After the conquest of Greece, and especially after the moving of the capital to Constantinople, the Greek ethnical identity gradually prevailed and eventually overshadowed the other two. Culturally they were already Greek from the get go.
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>Honestly there’s basically nothing of Hellenistic Greek culture left besides the language before the empire of Nicaea
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This is freaking bullshit.
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No it’s true
>Honestly there’s basically nothing of Hellenistic Greek culture left besides the language before the empire of Nicaea
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aydPksaXzC4Yeah Roman mosaics always had Greek mythology in rhem
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Yes, and in Greek too. Seriously Rome was nothing more than just another Greek colony.
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Why do people who legitimately don’t care about history shitpost about the Roman state? Romeaboos, byzaboo, or wehraboo it seems like none of them actually read anything about them so why bother opining on them?
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OP one of those siss that say the Roman Empire ended in 1453 without ANY compromise.
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But fir real, were there any emperors across the entire length of the empire born in modern day greece?
Blakans had many and even MENA-
I believe the Amorians were by modern day metrics the first ethnic Greek dynasty of Byzantium if you go by placing modern ethnicities were there weren’t any. Justinian’s dynasty would be Illyrian, Heraclius’ Armenian and the Isaurians would be Isaurian.
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>Amorians
But those are born in modern day turkey? Not greece
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>There is literally not a single ethnic greek emperor from greece across the entire length of the roman empire
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This is the Byzantine Empire under Justinian’s rule, not the Roman Empire.
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>1000 years of interesting history of peaks and falls, golden and dark ages, victories and defeats
>Was actually the most advanced nation in the world for centuries, and Constantinople was the greatest city of the middle ages
>all LULZ can talk about is whether they were greeks or romans-
Too many turkroaches here and a bunch of incels from balkan shitholes that most people can’t even pinpoint on the map. This board needs flags.
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>If you disagree with me you are an ethnicity I don’t like
You sound schizophrenic
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>and Constantinople was the greatest city of the middle ages
Greatest european city, sure
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>Present your shield, swords, arrows, and spears to them, imagining that you are a hunting party after wild boars, so that the impious may learn that they are dealing not with dumb animals but with their lords and masters, the descendants of the Greeks and the Romans.
I firmly believe that the only reason why the Palaiologoi restored the empire was to give it a kino death fitting of its legacy. The Roman empire couldn’t just die by accident in 1204, it had to be a Hollywood-like last stand.-
good point but it would be funny as fuck if some greek scrotebrain usurper managed to singlehandedly bring down a 1200 years old empire that used to rule the entire freaking world because of unpaid debt
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It would be funny but devastating to the legacy of the empire. Byzabooness probably wouldn’t even exist today as we know it without my boy Constantine.
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As far as I’m concerned Byzantine history stops at 1204 because there is no more Senate and the Senate was woke af 24/7.
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>Senate was woke af
>Literally everyone ran when Caesar marched on Rome with a single legion-
Don’t worry, they died doing what they love. Declaring a new Emperor getting him killed and acting like they did nothing wrong while the Crusaders smash down the doors of the Senate house.
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I look at this map and I only wish they could’ve crossed the Atlantic.
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>“I thank you all for the advice which you have given me. I know that my going out of the city might be of some benefit to me, inasmuch as all that you foresee might really happen. But it is impossible for me to go away: how could I leave the churches of our Lord, and His servants the clergy, and the throne, and my people in such a plight? What would the world say of me? I pray you, my friends, in the future do not say to me anything else but, ‘Nay, sire, do not leave us.’ Never, never, will I leave you. I am resolved to die here with you.’ And saying this, the Emperor turned his head aside, because tears filled his eyes; and with him wept the Patriarch and all who were there.”
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Roman civilization began in 753BC and ended in 1453AD
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Roman civilization began in 509 BC and ended in 27 BC
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Only the irrelevant part
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the Roman empire was always ‘Greek’ and eastern
there never was western ‘roman’ empire
its all made up-
woke af schizo revisionism
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the official history is all fake and made up
at best it take some real events and spin them around
the western ‘roman’ empire was all gallo centric
eastern Roman empire was real and extended much more to east
the ‘germanics’ were mostly Slavs
king Arthur was real and Brettonic empire reached North america and Caribbean
all this was destroyed in fire around VI century when something stroked Earth-
You could elaborate and post proof. Just stating what you consider facts isn’t enough.
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that is hard part anon
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To think that all of that was lost to desert raiders and steppe nomads, may Allah be pleased with them
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Egypt spoke coptic until the 12th century, people are delusional if they think everything was latin or greek back then.
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Egypt spoke Greek as much as Canada speaks French.
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>Egypt spoke coptic until the 12th century
arabization happened in the 10th century
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BVMP
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Centuries later it still makes g*rmoids seethe
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They were romans, after 1453 the successors of the spirit of Rome in the east are the Russians, just like the successors on the west are the Spanish, and not the italians (Germany 2)
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>Slavs mogged
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>conquers all of Southeastern Europe
>conquers Greece
>didn’t conquer anything, according to lesser nations seething at their superior
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>bro, the language you speak defines your ethn..
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Has anyone figured out what kind of mental illness scroteovid Muslimovski has yet?
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Svetobitch threads are always a riot, he ends up getting spanked by people from all over the world
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>Svetovid trashing others is him being trashed by other
>defeat is a triumph, triumph is defeat
The mental tribulations of those that provide rent-free housing for Svetovid.
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https://i.4cdn.org/his/1632929528175.png
Just a small reminder that R*me and the ERE will never be Hellenic.
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Greeks are beyond obsessed with Slavs to the point where they’re desperate enough to interpret the invasion of Slavs in total opposition to what Medieval Romans/Greeks have witnessed and reported it as, while LARPing as their inheritors, and being mentally impaired enough to state the ERE was Greek, even though there was not a single Greek dynasty governing it.
>This should make you reconsider your life choices
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So now we know that Sveto is a mod or sucks mod cock. Multiple posts against him, not only in this thread but other as well like the orthodox Poland what if scenario have been deleted.
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Yup
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>In 620 C.E., the Greek language was made the official language of the Byzantine Empire by the Emperor Heraclius. Prior to this, Latin remained the official language of administration, and bureaucrats and military officers needed to be able to read and write it.
Not Greek
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Latin was a mere residual relic language in the east. It’s like pretending the medieval western kingdoms were roman because they used latin as court/cultural language
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>The Heraclius meme
I suggest you look at the laws of the Byzantine Empire instead of regurgitating wikipedia
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I am Greco-Roman
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>the invasion of Slavs
>Each year, the Huns [Avars] came to the Slavs, to spend the winter with them; then they took the wives and daughters of the Slavs and slept with them, and among the other mistreatments [already mentioned] the Slavs were also forced to pay levies to the Huns. But the sons of the Huns, who were [then] raised with the wives and daughters of these Wends could not finally endure this oppression anymore and refused obedience to the Huns and began, as already mentioned, a rebellion. When now the Wendish army went against the Huns, the [aforementioned] merchant Samo accompanied the same. And so the Samo’s bravery proved itself in wonderful ways and a huge mass of Huns fell to the sword of the Wends.-
Cope, that only refers to Pannonian Wends, a mere group of West Slavs, whereas the entirety of Sclavenes, Antes, and the rest of Wends were independent and sovereign entities at the time: Daurentius is the first Slavic chieftain to be recorded by name, by the Byzantine historian Menander Protector, who reported that the Avar khagan Bayan I sent an embassy, asking Daurentius and his Slavs to accept Avar suzerainty and pay tribute because the Avars knew that the Slavs had amassed great wealth after repeatedly plundering the Byzantine Balkan provinces. Daurentius reportedly retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs […] so it shall always be for us.”
Daurentius (to the Avar envoy): "Who is, then, the man which basks in sunlight that threatens to conquer our strength? We are used to ruling over others, not to being ruled over – of that we are certain for as long as wars are waged and swords are forged"- Menander Protector
On top of that, White Serbs and White Croats exterminated most of the Avars.
another thread ruined by svetovid the butthurt half italian half polish mutt
>seething so hard you’re adding made up nationalities to my family tree
Poetry.
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another thread ruined by svetovid the butthurt half italian half polish mutt
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Svetoid what is your opinion on abrahamaic religions ?
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Byzantines were so backwards…
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Good thing turks took over and civilised istanbul
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