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    • #170061
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      Did the majority of the confederate soldiers think that they were fighting for the rights of owning slaves or did they think they were fighting for the rights to leave the union?

    • #170062
      Anonymous
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      >Did the majority of the confederate soldiers think
      No

      • #170091
        Anonymous
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        fpbp

      • #170140
        Anonymous
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        The majority of union soldiers didn’t think either.

    • #170063
      Anonymous
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      Most of them were fighting because Northerners were killing Southerners, and that was reason enough to kill Northerners, regardless of how or why the conflict started. The average soldier in the Civil War was not ideologically motivated on either side.

      • #170068
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        >The average soldier in the Civil War was not ideologically motivated on either side.
        This can be applied to pretty much every war in human history.

        • #170075
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          Yes it can

    • #170064
      Anonymous
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      They were voting for their own privileged position in society, where they never had to worry about falling into the bottom rungs of the economy. "State’s rights" only became a more prominent talking point later, after the war began to turn against the south and they were trying to salvage their honor instead of sticking to a position which the rest of the world agreed was morally abhorrent

      • #170069
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        >the rest of the world agreed was morally abhorrent
        damn, I didnt know all the White people were ‘the rest of the world’.
        While Slavery was legal still in South Asia, Oceanian, Africa, South America, Central Asia, West Asia…. lol
        Slavery is a morally correct position and only seething slave caste scrotebrains think otherwise.
        >slavery bad because we wuz on the bottom
        HAHHAHHAHAHHAA
        name a bigger cope than the dregs of society claiming that calling them dregs and bums is some moral wrongdoing.

        • #170072
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          >damn, I didnt know all the White people were ‘the rest of the world’.
          nobody in Europe recognized the cause or legitimacy of the South, and it wasn’t for lack of trying on the south’s part.

          >>slavery bad because we wuz on the bottom
          the average southerner liked slavery because it meant that there was always work to be found on a slave plantation, or riding with an anti-slave militia, and it kept them from falling into true destitution. They didn’t legally own the slaves but that didn’t stop them from benefiting from the institution

          • #170079
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            >nobody in Europe recognized the cause or legitimacy of the South, and it wasn’t for lack of trying on the south’s part.
            I have no idea what this has to do with the prevailing morality of brown people not only allowing for slavery but actively participating in it.
            also
            >implying people didnt side with the rebels for moral reasons
            lol
            freaking Hitler didnt like the Confederacy or its successor the Klan and he was Hitler.
            >the average southerner
            not a unified group
            >there was always work on the plantation
            plantations were peanuts in southern society, they were more of a cultural aspect than anything critical to Southern society, I mean, Southerners were vastly better off when slavery was abolished because it meant all the blacks migrated away and they were more apt to industrialize.
            >destitution
            lol people were hunting to supplement their diets up into the 40s.
            Homeless people in America now are not destitute, there is no such thing as destitution in White countries.
            Not even slaves were dying of starvation en masse.
            destitution would be like being put into a camp. Not having things doesnt make you poor, in fact people chose to live among nomadic Natives rather than among Whites in industrial society when they had the choice.
            >benefitting from the institution
            lol, blacks benefitted, Whites did not.
            blacks get to live around Whites today, whereas Whites are not enriched in any way by blacks.
            not to mention, plantations were money sinks in the grand scheme of economics, slavery ending was VERY good for the White proletariat.
            also
            nice gnomish nonsense
            >all Whites benefitted from slavery therefore youre all responsible
            to which I’d say, slavery for blacks wasnt a choice, you would either be a slave in africa under crueler masters or in the South.
            not to mention, africa today is shit, while not a single black in America today is poor or a slave by any global standard.

            • #170081
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              >I have no idea what this has to do with the prevailing morality of brown people not only allowing for slavery but actively participating in it.
              That’s not who the south was going to for legitimacy
              >freaking Hitler didnt like the Confederacy or its successor the Klan and he was Hitler.
              Generally speaking, far right reactionaries hate far right reactionaries from other cultures
              >not a unified group
              I never said it was. that’s why I said "average" and like "like, practically all of them bro!"
              >plantations were peanuts in southern society
              They called it "King Cotton" because it utterly dominated the southern economy. A poor white could earn a comfortable living as an overseer, or keep his failing farm afloat with the fees he made returning runaway slaves as part of a militia
              >lol people were hunting to supplement their diets up into the 40s.
              It’s not about caloric intake, it’s about the prestige of having people "beneath" you
              >lol, blacks benefitted, Whites did not.
              See above. Blacks did not benefit, they had their labor systematically expropriated from them
              >gnomish
              Way to out yourself as a moron
              >>all Whites benefitted from slavery
              Nobody said that, dipshit. Enough did to make a political impact
              >N O P E
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americana,_S%C3%A3o_Paulo
              >holy cope,
              You’re the one who sounds like he’s coping
              >youre a chud.
              has nothing to do with the American civil war
              >the brown world today still has slavery, and back then it was even worse.
              That’s why Confederates fled to Brazil
              >The Civil War was a revenge fantasy for Anglo Saxon New Engerlunders families against Norman Cavaliers of the South.
              Right, and it totally started when all those poor confederate cannonballs had their NAPs violated by the walls of Fort Sumter
              >We laugh at you.
              I think America just lives rent free in your head

              • #170082
                Anonymous
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                nobody calls it king cotton you stupid scrote

                • #170083
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                  • #170087
                    Anonymous
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                    >one guy called it king cotton
                    WOW

                  • #170088
                    Anonymous
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                    >cotton is relevant because people who were wrong thought it was relevant
                    Right but in reality as we know now, it simply wasn’t relevant, meaning not only are you a hypocrite, you are also factually inept.

              • #170084
                Anonymous
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                >the south didn’t go to India for legitimacy this means slavery is evil
                ??
                The English were on the path to officially recognizing the South until Antietam. They actually did support them but withdrew their support when the war went “south” lol.
                It simply wasn’t a moral issue or about slavery, even for Europeans, it was cynical pragmatists.
                >actually these capitalist pigs and robber barons were moral paragons with slavery and black people involved
                Holy revisionist cope.
                >far right
                >Hitler
                lol
                Dumbass.
                And Hitler did like far right reactionaries lol, in fact he allied with them in Spain and Eastern Europe.
                He didn’t like the confederacy or the klan because he like most Whites did not encounter blacks let alone American mulatto blacks and did not realize the necessary measures needed to live among a race of literal slave caste types who just became equals.
                >average
                Which means nothing in regards to political opinions because for example, the average between Hitler and Stalin wouldn’t get along with either Hitler or Stalin lol.
                >King cotton
                And? It was still put to shame by grains and industrial production.
                Also
                >plantations only produced cotton
                Dumb freaking Westie.
                >poor Whites worked as overseers
                And how many poor Whites worked as overseers? Half a million?
                No? Ok so poor Whites did not benefit in any meaningful way as not even a tenth of them worked as overseers.
                Also most overseers were mixed race, black, or family of the owner.
                Poor Whites lived like the natives in isolated towns and communities and occasionally (depending on what you mean by poor) in urban centers which were slowly developing.
                They did not work plantations and there weren’t enough plantations for even poor whites to work there.
                >failing farm
                You realize half these people didn’t have expenses right?

                • #170093
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                  >The English were on the path to officially recognizing the South until Antietam.
                  Not really. A faction of them toyed with the idea because of the economic carrot that the south was dangling, but that went away with the rise of the Egyptian cotton fields. No where else in Europe even toyed with the idea, they just asked "state’s right to do what?
                  >Holy revisionist cope.
                  capitalism defeated neofeudal LARPers
                  >he allied with them in Spain and Eastern Europe.
                  He used Spain as a testing ground for military equipment and dropped the ball big time in Eastern Europe. Nobody said far righters are consistent in their prejudices, especially when political power is at stake
                  > Which means nothing in regards to political opinions
                  So you think it was just a coincidence that all the southerners living in slave heavy areas voted heavily for Breckinridge and secession?
                  >And? It was still put to shame by grains and industrial production.
                  That’s just a reflection of how poorly thought out the southern economy was
                  >Dumb freaking Westie.
                  Nah, they also produced Tobacco, but it was almost entirely cash crops. The north actually had more farms producing more foodstuffs
                  >And how many poor Whites worked as overseers?
                  It’s not just overseers, it’s middlemen, managers, tradesmen, traders and a host of other related fields that grew up around the money that slave plantations brought to their communities,
                  >You realize half these people didn’t have expenses right?
                  They still had to compete at the market, and were having to do so against larger, better organized farms which were outcompeting them by investing in superior industrialized equipment
                  >you are so thoroughly gripped by over-socialization.
                  You sound thoroughly gripped by under-socialization with these long winded posts
                  >show me a poll
                  The only poll that matters is the ballot box. "Taking a poll" didn’t even exist until the 20th century
                  >All the rest of your dribble
                  mouth diarrhea. Go read a book

                  • #170098
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                    >belittling the English involvement because it btfo you
                    Cope. The English were on the path to recognition until the south failed in their first invasion. Had they been successful it stands to reason England would have stood with them, politically.
                    Meaning your moralism comes to nil.
                    Which is funny because the English were the first to abolish racial slavery.
                    >nowhere else in Europe
                    nice backpedal, you said all of Europe, got btfo, now you backpedal.
                    >capitalism
                    lol, technology and overwhelming numbers defeated the indigenous peoples of the South.
                    Crapitalism is a garbage system where the wealthy use the lumpenprole economic burden of the negro underclass to abuse the proletariat in the middle and justify extracting resources and power from the workers.
                    >he used Spain as a testing ground
                    And? He was allied with them kek.
                    You were wrong.
                    >dropped the ball in Eastern Europe
                    How? Half of the Slavic “far right” were fighting in the SS or shipping garden gnomes to Germany or fighting against communists.
                    >far righters are inconsistent
                    Where are these monarchists or tribal despots?
                    >is it just coincidence these southerners voted for what they thought would prevent imperialism
                    ??
                    >slave heavy areas
                    OHOH HO HO NO NO NO NO
                    do you even know how many slaves were in the South at the time? Whites outnumbered them by a colossal margin, they outproduced them all over the country, they were a cultural facet if that.
                    blacks are simply an inconsequential group in America history and that goes for the civil war too.

                    >an economy using black labor was a poor economy
                    yes lol glad you agree
                    >related fields
                    Nope. The slave sector was abysmal when it came to employment and economic development.
                    Plantations were small self sufficient estates, there were hardly any overseers and negro wranglers were even smaller in number.
                    There was no extensive development coming from slavery. It was a net negative for everyone but the blacks who got to live in America instead of Africa

                    • #170105
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                      >There was no extensive development coming from slavery. It was a net negative for everyone but the blacks who got to live in America instead of Africa

                      you’re forgetting about the Planter who gets to LARP as an aristocrat, even if he’d have a better return in investment doing almost anything else

                      • #170115
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                        >1% of the population were Aristocrats
                        it wasnt a larp, but what even is the benefit here beyond 1% of the population having a poopoo labor force and technological stagnation?
                        Ironically, those plantation owners are more closely related to blacks than to Whites lmao.
                        Most Whites descend from the collective proletariat, while nearly all blacks in the US have at least one slave owning daddy.
                        If anything, blacks should also be saddled with the price of holding back White proletariat society because slavery stifles development, and since blacks inherited 1/3 of their genome from these slaver masters, I think it’s their fault.
                        I dont have any slave masters in my ancestry, but the blacks do.
                        So if we wanted to be agnostic about racialism, really, its the fault of the blacks that the South was beaten out by the North and its their fault for slavery, as they are the only direct descendants of the slavers, or at least they are most apparent and most numerous.

                    • #170110
                      Anonymous
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                      >Whites outnumbered them by a colossal margin,
                      Confederacy had 5.5 million freemen and 3.5 million enslaved. Hardly a colossal margin.

                      • #170112
                        Anonymous
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                        >having 50% more people isnt a colossal margin
                        I dont even know what to say.

                      • #170118
                        Anonymous
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                        Uhh yeah. That’s not colossal in terms of demographics. The South even has a lot less of a percentage of blacks now than it did in the 19th century.

                      • #170119
                        Anonymous
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                        50% more is colossal in terms of demographics, that is an advantage which turned into what it did, which is to say Whites became the majority in America by far before the hispanic invasion.

                    • #170131
                      Anonymous
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                      >Cope. The English were on the path to recognition until the south failed in their first invasion. Had they been successful it stands to reason England would have stood with them, politically.
                      >Meaning your moralism comes to nil.

                      Lol, no they weren’t. France was unironically closer to supporting the Confederates than the UK was and that’s only because they thought they might be able use them as an ally to Maximillian to to even say they were close is a stretch.

                      The UK recognized that by early 1862 the Union Army was large enough to essentially zerg rush most major Canadian cities as the UK only had around 20k active troops and most major cities are so close to the US border anyway. Compounded with the fact that most Canadian and UK citizens were opposed to slavery anyway made any kind of military action against the Union political suicide.

                      The cherry on top was that Lincoln’s diplomats in Europe essentially ran circles around their Confederate counterparts.

                      • #170132
                        Anonymous
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                        They didn’t care about slavery, they knew if any european power went into the us for either side it would have been a world war dragging in european alliances

                      • #170133
                        Anonymous
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                        wasn’t France in its Third Republic at this poin

                  • #170100
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                    >still had to compete at the market
                    No they didn’t because they lived in self sufficient ways. Without extensive industrial development you get the growth of small scale agrarian communes which are largely isolated from the broader economy of secondary and tertiary economics. They were primary economic enjoyers.
                    >outcompeting them
                    Outcompeting what? They weren’t a market force, they weren’t contributing to the secondary economies. There are still places like this TODAY in the rural North. Where primary economics is used for self sufficiency and their output overall is a minority form of secondary economics.
                    >undersocialization
                    What? No, I am saying, you are too enraptured by views which you wouldn’t hold if you had an unbiased teaching of history.

                    Most Americans are secular yet they hold to universal objective morals which are incompatible with secular ideas. They have no way of justifying it beyond social norms so they instantly turn anyone who commits sacrilege to their nonsense into a racist poopyhole (heretic).
                    The obsession with black is also tragic. America used to be woke af. Now it’s cringe.
                    >I can deduce underlying personal opinions from votes
                    No you can’t. You can’t even do that with a conversation. Most people have elaborate and complex views that can not be reduced to the ordinary or immediate such as “you’re just racist or something xd”
                    >go read a book
                    You have a highschooler’s grasp of American history.

              • #170086
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                >it’s about the prestige of having someone beneath you
                you are so thoroughly gripped by over-socialization.
                Show me a poll stating even half of poor Whites thought this way.
                Show me some actual data that Whites were bleeding and dying in droves so they could say “well at least I’m not a”. That is such a woke af and Chad view that I don’t believe Whites held it.
                >it’s not about caloric intake
                Well actually it is because it btfos the idea they were fighting against being seen as destitute.
                They were “destitute” by our standards, well into the more contemporary era.

                >see above
                ??
                >blacks did not benefit
                They lived in comfy plantation villages, not in Tsetse ridden slave pens of Ashanti warlords.
                >uhhh labor, they worked and shit and they couldn’t become capitalists and that’s bad because it just is! Stop bringing up the fact their descendants are better off than their non-slave kin
                C o p e
                >you referenced garden gnomes in academia yeah you’re dumb
                You really believe garden gnomes have no influence in American academics? Our look into history is largely (for those of us college educated, might not include you lol) is through a garden gnome shaped window.
                >enough did
                How? They have to live around blacks, their industrialization was stunted, and it brought a bunch of mentally ill anglo humiliation fetishists down on the indigenous southern folk.
                >less than 1% of them bought slaves in Brazil
                >the biggest pull was the support from Brazilians, cheap land, and citizenship
                ??
                So they weren’t fleeing to find slaves? They were fleeing because it benefitted them so much that not even half of them sought out slaves?
                >that has nothing to do with the civil war
                (You) are definitely talking about the civil war.
                >they fled to Brazil to have slaves but they didn’t buy slaves
                Looks like I’m right again.
                >the confederates fired first
                So did the Comanche, Apache, Sioux, and Algonquin, they had a right to racial defense too.
                >rent free
                no more aids for Afghans 🙂

              • #170122
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                >They called it "King Cotton" because it utterly dominated the southern economy. A poor white could earn a comfortable living as an overseer, or keep his failing farm afloat with the fees he made returning runaway slaves as part of a militia
                This is what they took from us, whitebros. Imagine still simping for "the union" in the current year

                • #170123
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                  It’s also completely made up. Nobody called it king cotton. I’m convinced that the made up king cotton narrative is to cover up the south trying to get saved by the British day 1 because they knew they couldn’t win due to their lower population. The south never had any delusions of grandeur, they were simply fighting for what was right

                  • #170124
                    Anonymous
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                    slavery isn’t right

                    • #170125
                      Anonymous
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                      It was under the constitution at the time, regardless, most southerners were fighting because the North invaded South Carolina and was blocking of all Southern ports (which is an act of war against the populous not just the government).

                      • #170134
                        Anonymous
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                        >they were fighting for what was right
                        >no they weren’t
                        >ok but they were invaded
                        southern scrotebrain copium

                      • #170138
                        Anonymous
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                        Do you have a source that the men fighting in the confederate army were doing it because they owned slaves or were slave catchers?

        • #170073
          Anonymous
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          >damn, I didnt know all the White people were ‘the rest of the world’.
          nobody in Europe recognized the cause or legitimacy of the South, and it wasn’t for lack of trying on the south’s part.

          >>slavery bad because we wuz on the bottom
          the average southerner liked slavery because it meant that there was always work to be found on a slave plantation, or riding with an anti-slave militia, and it kept them from falling into true destitution. They didn’t legally own the slaves but that didn’t stop them from benefiting from the institution

          >nobody in Europe recognized the cause or legitimacy of the South, and it wasn’t for lack of trying on the south’s part.
          Although you are correct in that monarchist Brazil did still have slavery, which is why so many southerners fled there after the war, because "state’s rights" wasn’t as important to them as living under a soveirgn that would allow them to keep their slaves

          • #170080
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            >many fled there
            N O P E
            a handful went to Mexico to spite the US, and dispersed in the South, they did not go South to find slaver societies lmao.
            >states rights wasnt as important as keeping slaves
            holy cope, tyrone, no one freaking wants you here, not as a slave or a freeman.
            >im White
            youre a chud.

            the brown world today still has slavery, and back then it was even worse.

            >b-b-but st-states rights
            fuck off.
            The Civil War was a revenge fantasy for Anglo Saxon New Engerlunders families against Norman Cavaliers of the South. It is a low scale ethnic conflict and there is nothing moral or good about it.
            siding with the South is the only reasonable position because indigenous Southerners have a right to resist imperialism.

            fyi, (You) are only opposed to slavery because you are a scrotebrained Baizuo who’s worldview is informed by Anglo Saxonism which sees all oppression as an echo of Norman supremacy over the Saxons.
            You’re not moral
            You’re not enlightened
            You are a turbo goober who was tricked into thinking the way you do by mentally ill Angloids railing against a long dead race of conquerors.

            We laugh at you.

        • #170095
          Anonymous
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          >damn, I didnt know all the White people were ‘the rest of the world’.
          As far as Western governments in the 16th-20th centuries were concerned, they WERE. Nobody gave a fuck what some changs and pajeets thought about European/American affairs.

    • #170065
      Anonymous
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      War is war. An enemy is not an ally, they’re an enemy. How hard is that to accept?

    • #170066
      Anonymous
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      Fighting for ideology has never been a motivator until recent times. In the past you fought for personal reasons, for money, or because you had nothing better to do and were bored.

    • #170067
      Anonymous
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      A lot of confederates were fighting because the north invaded the south

      • #170070
        Anonymous
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        I’m a historylet when it comes to burgerland but didn’t the war start when the south attacked a fort or some shit.

        • #170071
          Anonymous
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          Lincoln ordered federal troops stationed at a South Carolinian fort to take what they could to fort Sumter which was never occupied by federal troops and controlled the entire trade inlet to the ocean. They were also given orders to scuttle their fort and munitions that couldn’t be brought with them, and when they arrived at fort sumter, to fire on anybody that wasn’t there to relieve them.

      • #170135
        Anonymous
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        >cotton is relevant because people who were wrong thought it was relevant
        Right but in reality as we know now, it simply wasn’t relevant, meaning not only are you a hypocrite, you are also factually inept.

        >cotton is relevant because people who were wrong thought it was relevant
        This isn’t an argument. It’s not even in a ten mile radius of the idea of an argument. You’re literally just saying that cotton held no importance in the southern economy while having literally nothing to substantiate this idea.

        >one guy called it king cotton
        WOW

        Yes, because common sense dictates that something that has an entire Wikipedia page must have only been said by one guy. You could also just read the damn article to see if your stance holds any water you pee brain.

        • #170136
          Anonymous
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          I’m saying that nobody called it king cotton and that it’s a "cover up" to get midwit scrotebrains like yourself from looking into anything.

      • #170147
        Anonymous
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        The North "invaded" South Carolina by garrisoning its own freaking fort. South Carolina effectively declared war on the US over it. THEN the other states chose to secede and join South Carolina in a confederation that was at war against the United States. THEN the South was invaded. It wasn’t some freaking surprise attack

        As for why soldiers living in the Confederacy fought for Confederacy against the United States, it’s basically because their states were in the Confederacy and the Confederacy was at war with the United States. That’s how war works. You can spin that into as noble of a schoolboy fiction as you please. The fact is the Southern democracies were enabled and supported by the Southern citizenry in getting them into a freaking war, and one way or the other the citizenry would end up fighting it. For all the men who volunteered out of regional loyalty, zeal for slavery, or lust for glory, most were just drafted. National conscription being a Confederate invention, I’ll add and emphasize

        So go ahead and ponder that while you consider why "a lot" of Confederates were fighting.

    • #170074
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      >fighting for the rights of owning slaves
      Slavery was a huge cultural and political force for many non slave owner. It provided jobs, cultural values and racial supremacy. Part of the propaganda to get southerners to fight was to inspire fear that black slaves would revolt and kill their white masters and families.

      >fighting for the rights to leave the union?
      some did, some didn’t. In many cases southerners joined to defend their land. They wanted to make sure their local kin or friends were safe as well as their property. Many times slaves were lump into this motivation.

    • #170076
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      No, far as I can tell the average southerner didn’t give a damn about slaves and neither did the northerners. They heard and or saw the North marching down to wage war on their state and decided to take up arms against aggressors. The ones with more knowledge about the politics at the time would argue that it was about states rights.

      • #170077
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        Why would you just assume that Southerners didn’t read newspapers? Or that De Tocqueville specifically noted how even the lowliest Americans were using the postal service to send each other letters articulating their political opinions? Why would they vote in droves for the guy who promised to make every new state a slave state instead of the constitutionalist who said slavery isn’t the big deal that people are making it out to be?

    • #170078
      Anonymous
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      ‘They’re down here’ was as good a reason as the average southern soldier needed.

    • #170085
      Anonymous
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      A combination of both. Confederates were complex, flawed humans just like you or I. They didn’t all believe the same thing, nor did they only hold one belief.

      • #170089
        Anonymous
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        No stop, humans can’t have complex behaviors and sympathize motives, these are evil racists all lock step Hitler saluting their way to enslave black people.

        • #170090
          Anonymous
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          Shut the fuck up scrotebrain

        • #170102
          Anonymous
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          >these are evil racists all lock step Hitler saluting their way to enslave black people.
          This is true.

    • #170092
      Anonymous
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      They thought they were fighting for white supremacy.
      Not using that as a buzzword the way woke types do, I mean it quite literally, they called Republicans "Black Republicans" and identified their governance with negro rule. Racism was how slavocrats justified the slave system to non-slave owners. Read the Cornerstone Speech.

      • #170094
        Anonymous
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        Nah. The southerners were fighting because the North invaded the South. They are a naturally truculent people and so they fought against the imperialists just because they were imperialists. Racism was a meme then. It’s only retroactively applied because today everyone is obsessed with racism. You can’t even be racist on this site.
        It’s fine to say you agree with Ghengis Khan murdering millions, but saying the n-word, now that we cannot have.

        • #170097
          Anonymous
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          You’re a dumb stupid white scrote

          • #170099
            Anonymous
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            After the North attacked fort sumter the South initiated a cotton embargo to try and drain England dry of cotton to get them to lean on the north to get them to cease hostilities. Within 6 months they had blockaded every Southern port and were in total war

          • #170101
            Anonymous
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            Indigenous southerners have a right to fight against imperialism.

        • #170137
          Anonymous
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          >Racism was a meme then. It’s only retroactively applied because today everyone is obsessed with racism

          • #170139
            Anonymous
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            Oh are we posting racist quotes from the civil war now?

            >I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgement, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglass, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary.

            -Abraham Lincoln, Debate against Stephen Douglas Ottawa, Illinois 1858

            • #170143
              Anonymous
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              >Civil War
              >1858

              • #170145
                Anonymous
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                Kind of relevant to know that Lincoln hated scrotes. He also stated his main reason he didn’t want slavery in the territories was because he hated black people

    • #170096
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      they were fighting because they were told to do so, as soldiers ever have.

    • #170103
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      They fought (and lost) because they had a sincere belief that arming blacks would lead to immediate white genocide, which ironically was also what the Founding Fathers believed.

      If they had armed and "freed" the slaves at the start of the war they could’ve kept home rule and the former-slaves now-sharecroppers wouldn’t have been any worse off than in actual history

      • #170104
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        nogs are incompetent as fuck, at best they could have been meatshields

        • #170107
          Anonymous
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          >he thinks he doesn’t need meatshields in a meat grinder

          the point is eventually they did promise to free black soldiers (March 23 1865) but by then they had basically lost

      • #170144
        Anonymous
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        this

    • #170106
      Anonymous
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      They believed that a black person’s natural state was in slavery, that a black person was less than human and incapable of becoming civilized, and that abolition would mean black people would take over the country and run it into the ground. They mainly believed they were fighting the war to defend their home states, but they equally believed that granting black people citizenship was an intolerable act, and that under no circumstances could a black person be considered equal to a white person.

      • #170113
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        >They believed that a black person’s natural state was in slavery, that a black person was less than human and incapable of becoming civilized, and that abolition would mean black people would take over the country and run it into the ground.
        not racist but were they wrong given the state of the African community and the African family in America?
        What blacks have control over it seems to be in shambles.
        >its someone else’s fault
        but at the end of the day, in a way, that is still the responsibility of blacks.
        For example, when Whites were enslaved and ruled by Ottomans, they successfully achieved partial and even full independence, and furthermore they even developed their societies while in political captivity.
        but blacks seem to only go from bad to worse,their current condition is largely the result of White technology rather than black development.

    • #170108
      Anonymous
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      Both
      Depends
      I recently read a book on the Army of Tennessee and I remember reading a part of it that mentioned how troops from the deep south (Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, etc.) were more likely to be fighting for slavery and property rights and protection of the "divine institution." Whereas troops from the upper south (Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina) were more likely to say they were fighting for more esoteric reasons of Southern Nationalism. A lot also fought just to protect their homeland from foreign invasion.

      • #170126
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        Ancestors in TN since 1800 after the revolution and owned slaves. Few owed more than 2 dozen to work tobacco. By the war some likely small growers would have give up their slaves if the federal government would have compensated them, and there was talk of this but the federal government chose to take their property by force which would leave them bankrupt. My ancestors fought and died in TN and one rode with Forrest died in Kentucky. I have a letter his commander wrote asking if he could buy his horse since most Calvary provided their own ride.. Anyway they fought to keep Washington from seizing everything they built over generations.

        • #170127
          Anonymous
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          Reminder that Tennessee valley was so bonked economically into the 1940’s because the union burned it to the ground, thanks FDR for building a few dams I guess

    • #170109
      Anonymous
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      Most were just fighting against a foreign invader.

    • #170111
      Anonymous
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      >this thread again
      The Civil War was a class struggle, the workers of the South were fighting the bourgeois tyranny of the North, it was basically the first historical example of the proletariat rising up against their oppressors, and although the ruling class would put down the revolution, they’re really only delaying their fate of succumbing to the wrath of the proletariat. May the Southern workers rise again, case closed.

      • #170114
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        sis it was the Northern bourgeoisie trying to crush the Planters before they got over their neo-fuedal autism and used their free labor to industrialize

        • #170116
          Anonymous
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          >LISTEN TO ME WHILE I KILL YOU
          nice theory

      • #170117
        Anonymous
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        This will become the prevailing view as browns begin to write history.
        They will see ALL late European history in terms of political economy and tribal groups. With Southerners actually being a working class society getting beaten down by a hyper capitalist industrialist imperial power.
        >muh slaves
        yeah brown people (like White people 300 years ago) dont give a shit about black people, only baizuos think it was about slavery or black people.

      • #170121
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    • #170120
      Anonymous
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      Who cares? They were on the right side of history either way

    • #170128
      Anonymous
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      both, but slavery wasn’t really that bad, slaves as of the Act for the Better Ordering and Governing of Negroes and Other Slaves were legally entitled to emancipation following a court mandate, and to murder any slave is legally identical to murdering any freeman. Additionally rape and any corporal punishment exceeding "Life and Limb" was legally prohibited. Basically just pick cotton and get whipped when bad or slow

    • #170129
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      Average cletus fought because he hated darkies and it beat being a destitute swamp person

      • #170130
        Anonymous
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        Source?

    • #170141
      Anonymous
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      Yes.
      First: While it is true that only a small minority of Slave Staters owned slaves, A majority of Southerners interacted with slavery in some way. Many rented slaves for the harvest season for example, still more worked for the plantations as overseers and other such roles, and practically everyone was part of the Slave Patrol.
      Second: It is hard to underestimate the amount of propaganda the Plantation Aristocrats gave these people. The average poor white southerner was constantly inundated by messages saying the abolition of slavery/staying in the union/the union winning the war, would lead to a mass genocide of white men and the enslavement of their women. The letters and statements of confederates are filled to the brim with delusional fantasies that the north would enslave all southerners and sell them to blacks and other farcical beliefs.
      Third: The southern caste system held that physical labor was unmanly, effeminate and uncivilized and that no white should do work he couldn’t make a slave do. It was a great sign of rank to not have to ever work. The elimination of slavery would have essentially destroyed the lifelong dream of every white southerner (to own someone to do the actual work) while psychologically neutering them by saying "You have to earn your money". There are letters from confederates during Lee’s invasions of the North that are full of shock and disgust that northern whites are proud to be hard workers or even get things for themselves.

    • #170142
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      i doubt that

    • #170146
      Anonymous
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      >Ctrl + f conscription
      >0 results
      Jesus Christ LULZ. Most soldiers fought because they had to.

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