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    • #173558
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Can programmers make a good UI?

    • #173559
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No

    • #173560
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No, but it’s obvious that the UI on the top is doing something fundamentally more complex. Extremely dishonest comparison.

      • #173567
        Anonymous
        Guest
      • #173607
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Extremely dishonest comparison
        not really, since the more complex GUI still manages to look less disorganized than the "pretty" one

      • #173642
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The complexity of any software can be sufficiently abstracted with UI. A lot can be simplified with the top example. The programmers just need to end their life.

        • #173644
          Anonymous
          Guest

          are you saying the bottom one looks more usable to you than the top?

          • #173647
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Both are usable. The bottom example is just limited.

        • #173649
          Anonymous
          Guest

          This. Pic related is doing the same as Bulk Rename Utility, yet you’re not overwhelmed with gorillions of inputs the moment you start the program. First you select what you want to do from the clean tidy list, and only then you will see the options to adjust what you want to do. Not all imaginable options at once, that’s just dumb and unnecessary.

          • #173653
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Honestly, that one feels like one of these semi-useless freeware and shareware programs you’d find bundled with thousand other 200kb programs on a CD of a magazine back in 2000’s.

            […]

            The top one looks just confusing, while the bottom one looks as if it was going to ask me for ransomware money any moment.

            Why can’t there be a middle point?

            • #173657
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Yeah, not gonna argue with that, but the difference is it actually does its job.

      • #173662
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The top one is just a utility to rename files in bulk.

    • #173561
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Top one is a very useful and versatile software BRU is awesome

      Bottom one scream malware/scamware

      • #173626
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I prefer the top one, it’s very straight forward

    • #173562
      Anonymous
      Guest

      sovl

      • #173563
        Anonymous
        Guest

        and in the end they only use 5% of those buttons. hell most of the time the plane flies itself

        • #173566
          Anonymous
          Guest

          That’s a space shuttle scrotebrain

        • #173683
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You’ve never flown a plane.

      • #173581
        Anonymous
        Guest

        meticulously laid out by interface designers, not programmers or engineers.

    • #173564
      Anonymous
      Guest

      GREP command GUI, quick and simple
      Scam App for Apple Users and awful UX disguste with fancy design.

      >Can programmers make a good UI?
      If read UX/UI books

      • #173571
        Anonymous
        Guest

        you dont know what simple means. hint: it doesnt mean exposing 4000 buttons and sliders and input boxes

    • #173565
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Personally, I find that working with a UX designer helps a lot, I always acquire insights and tips from him that improve my design skills in general, as he makes me think on the overall user experience. Also, researching about UX in general helps me as a programmer to not want to fuck with the user’s happiness.

      • #173718
        Anonymous
        Guest

        only sane person itt

    • #173570
      Anonymous
      Guest

      UI and """""""""""UX"""""""""""" designers all get the rope

      • #173711
        Anonymous
        Guest

        seething, cope and rope!

    • #173572
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why would you compare an UI with lots of functionality with one with little? Seems a bit dishonest.

      • #173646
        Anonymous
        Guest

        No, but it’s obvious that the UI on the top is doing something fundamentally more complex. Extremely dishonest comparison.

        The funny part is the bottom UI actually does more. Top is a colossally bloated renaming utility. The bottom is system cleaner, a tool that is almost too featureful. The top one just seems "fundamentally more complex" because its developers arent good at UI design, while the bottom feels simple because its developers do. It’s all a question of how you choose to render that complexity for the user.

        • #173721
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The top one is just a utility to rename files in bulk.

          The user input required for that is where the complexity comes from.

        • #173731
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >system cleaner
          >more complex than rename utility
          lmao, the regex square alone is more complex than a list of files to delete

        • #173736
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >The funny part is the bottom UI actually does more.
          The bottom one is trivially basic, what are you talking about?

    • #173573
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Programmers tend to make better UI than so-called UI/UX designers. This is because they prioritize function over form.
      Computer programs can be art, but most ought not be.

      • #173740
        Anonymous
        Guest

        That’s why you need to work together. Not one having more say than the other.

    • #173575
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Strong Towns is woke af but they should stick to real life infrastructure, top example is obviously more functional

      • #173708
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Strong Towns is cyclist scrotery. Stop being poor and get a car.

        • #173729
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Cager

    • #173576
      Anonymous
      Guest

      SEs can make good UIs for other SEs. I’d very much prefer the first UI since I can easily and quickly access any control I need instead of hunting for which nested controls it is hidden behind, or even worse, deal with a "conversation" type of UI where you go through a dozen or more different pages of being asked questions in a cutesy manner.

      • #173580
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Software Engineers and UX Designers kneel to the superior interface for complex interactions

        • #173586
          Anonymous
          Guest

          this reminds me of shit i had to do in unreal engine a while ago

        • #173641
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I really like graph programming. Wished web programming looks like this

        • #173665
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Dataflow languages are kino.

        • #173679
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Imagine if some madlad took UML and made it in to a programming language.
          I wonder what useless job role would be the first to die out.

        • #173764
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I hate this visual programming shit. Looks bloated and if you are doing anything a little more complex it becomes a mess.
          And if you’re doing something simple you don’t need this in the first place.

          • #173767
            Anonymous
            Guest

            well yeah, if you were doing something simple you’d do something simple
            and if you were doing something complicated you’d do something complicated

      • #173582
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >SEs can make good UIs for other SEs
        only in the same way a monkey with a typewriter can write shakespeare – it’s bound to happen eventually

        • #173592
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Some day that response will be relevant to a post but today is not that day. Keep typing monkey.

          • #173594
            Anonymous
            Guest

            there are an infinity of UX failures in programmer to programmer tools. but i suspect that you’re the type who could spend three hours working around a fault without even noticing it’s there.

    • #173577
      Anonymous
      Guest

      but top and bottom are completely different software…
      wouldn’t make more sense comparing the software that accomplishes the same task?

      • #173578
        Anonymous
        Guest

        That might not give the result they wanted.

      • #173601
        Anonymous
        Guest

        You are using too much logic for "UX" designers, whose job is to make something so dumbed down that scrotes can use it.
        Theres a reason zoomers dont even know how to use hierarchical folders for storage.

      • #173602
        Anonymous
        Guest

        too much IQ for this thread

      • #173663
        Anonymous
        Guest

        They are meant to illustrate the basic idea. Leave it to an autist to interpret this picture in a literal way.

    • #173579
      Anonymous
      Guest

      HELLO BARBARA

    • #173583
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Top honestly looks easier to use. I’m not even sure what the bottom one is supposed to do

      • #173584
        Anonymous
        Guest

        system cleaner, it’s primary job is to make the user feel that they have more control of their computer, which is why a clean and simple UI presenting some basic statistics is an excellent starting page.

    • #173585
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The top UI looks much more intuitive and easy to use.

    • #173587
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Not to save their lives

      • #173588
        Anonymous
        Guest

        in fact there are many examples of programmer and engineer-designed UXs killing people.

        • #173720
          Anonymous
          Guest

          name 5 examples

    • #173589
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The bottom design is poor because there’s no clear way to interact with it. While the top has consistent and clearly defined buttons and checkboxes and menus, it is not at all clear where the clickable elements are in the bottom.

      • #173595
        Anonymous
        Guest

        this

        also, so much dead space. keep tablet shit on tablets

      • #173645
        Anonymous
        Guest

        im sorry you’re a boomer but fully-functioning adults can tell where the buttons are very easily

        • #173753
          Anonymous
          Guest

          No, you cannot. Even if you’re willing to mouse around and make some guesses about what can be clicked, there’s no way to know what will happen when you do click. The top interface is obvious because it’s made of common widgets with predictable functions. The bottom is an artsy snowflake puzzle game.

    • #173590
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yes, or at least they do a better job than (((UX designers))), as your own image shows.

    • #173591
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >every single function on one window
      vs
      >a huge waste of space requiring two extra clicks to do anything
      Not to mention the horrendous color scheme.

    • #173593
      Anonymous
      Guest

      that webshit UI sucks as well

    • #173597
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Win7 is fairly popular as an interface.

      What was the big thing Microsoft did to make the UI so pleasant? Their UX designers made a third major iteration on the Windows interface, after 3 and 95, and their conclusions were given great weight when making the system.

      Why has windows UIs been going to shit since then? It’s been left to the programmers again.

      Why will Linux never make it to the desktop? Why do normies like Macs? Same answer, over and over again.

      Programmers, as a group, are autistic, and cannot comprehend the minds of others. But building a user interface requires understanding the user.

      • #173598
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >It’s been left to the programmers again.
        extremely unlikely
        every large software company has a UX team
        it’s just going to shit because they’re optimizing for things we don’t care about

      • #173599
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Speaking of, here’s a nice read about the Windows 95 UI.
        >https://socket3.wordpress.com/2018/02/03/designing-windows-95s-user-interface/

      • #173648
        Anonymous
        Guest

        What’s more likely is that MS fired (most of) the existing UI/UX team and replaced with it Pajeets and/or yes-men who wouldn’t give them shit over the "tablet-friendly" interface choices.

        Also, the UI/UX team can only do so much. If they’re being told to maintain "normal" desktop functionalities accommodated with the Win32 API *and* make it "tablet-friendly", a frankenbeast like Windows 10 is likely close to being the best you can get. And Windows 11 is just a reiteration of the Windows 10 aesthetic much like Win7 correspondingly was.

      • #173656
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Why will Linux never make it to the desktop? Why do normies like Macs? Same answer, over and over again.
        What the fuck are you on about? Gnome is as polished as gayOS.

      • #173666
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Nah. What happened is back in the olden days power users were the biggest demographics so it was designed for them. Now that cuntputers are mainstream and everyone has one, the largest demographics is stupid normies. So they cater and optimize things for them. Another thing is that there’s only one UI on windows and it has to cater to literally everyone at once and that’s just can’t be done.

        • #173667
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Now that cuntputers are mainstream and everyone has one, the largest demographics is stupid normies
          that can’t really be it, PCs were conceived for normies from the very beginning

      • #173737
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The win7 UI is not pleasant, its almost entirely a downgrade from 2k/xp. Its just not as bad as the win8 and beyond disaster.

    • #173600
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This freaking board.
      Top is nightmare fuel. Why would you need all that stupid shit just to rename files? The more frequent an action is, the more emphasized it should be in the interface. There is no WAY you people are removing accents from files and doing some shit with roman numerals in the same operation frequently enough to justify wasting precious screen space on them, and if you are, write a script instead of launching the UI and clicking your way through this maze. What if you need something even slightly different from the built-in functionality? I see there’s a checkbox for JavaScript at the bottom. That could replace the whole GUI. This is not a good UI. This is people who have gotten so good at pounding nails in with a screwdriver that they’ve added special grips and reinforcement to the screwdriver. Use a hammer.
      I’m not defending bottom, by the way. All third-party """clean my computer""" are poison.

      • #173603
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >write a script instead
        it’s a GUI wrapper for a command-line tool you freaking spaz

        • #173604
          Anonymous
          Guest

          ok so USE the command-line tool you freaking cumrag

      • #173605
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >The more frequent an action is, the more emphasized it should be in the interface. There is no WAY you people are removing accents from files and doing some shit with roman numerals in the same operation frequently enough to justify wasting precious screen space on them
        I actually do, fuck off scrote don’t assume the habits of other people. Its because of subhumans like you that everything is buried under several menus for no reason. When I look at the top interface i can know at a glance everything it can do.

        • #173613
          Anonymous
          Guest

          1) like FUCK you do
          2) you are 1% of use-cases, don’t think you can shit up the interface of the 99%
          >b-but this is a tool for that 1%
          No, I mean you are the 1% who needs FAST access to all these fields. If this application were designed by someone who’d ever been hugged, it would have some freaking hierarchy and humanity. This is the design of someone who just sprayed fields onto the screen and then walked away because it looked """functional""".

          • #173616
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >If this application were designed by someone who’d ever been hugged
            kek

          • #173680
            Anonymous
            Guest

            99% of users just right click -> rename scrotebrain.
            the whole point of a dedicated bulk renaming program is to be able to rename a bunch of programs with whatever scheme the users want, not one you think they want.

      • #173609
        Anonymous
        Guest

        and even if you agree that all of those options need a GUI control, they are still laid out absolutely horribly.

        • #173612
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I don’t get it. you’d rather have submenus and shit for a commandline wrapper?
          why? so it looks "better"? I can’t imagine a few extra buttons actually being such a nuisance to you

          • #173615
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Hierarchy doesn’t imply submenus. Hierarchy means things that are more important are placed more prominently. The current design implies leading dot handling (aside: you’re on freaking windows… for what purpose) is about as common as using a different base for the numbers (?!), which in turn is about as common as using Roman numerals for the numbers (?!?!). Absolutely no way that’s the case.
            >I want to grasp the entire functionality of the application in one go
            Yes, so do I. Designers sacrifice that for a variety of reasons, such as stupidity.

      • #173610
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >This is people who have gotten so good at pounding nails in with a screwdriver that they’ve added special grips and reinforcement to the screwdriver.
        and they will fight you fervently when you say that a hammer is better. "works for me".

        • #173619
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Those people make me see red. However, I am one of those people quite often. So…

      • #173686
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >wasting precious screen space on them
        its not wasted if its used for something useful

      • #173733
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >There is no WAY you people are removing accents from files
        Typical anglo scum just assuming his selfish use case applies to the entire world.

    • #173606
      bruce3434
      Guest

      These two are not the same app

    • #173608
      Anonymous
      Guest

      UI by programmer
      >functional, simple, a little overwhelming at first but has everything you frequently need readily available, made by someone who has intimate knowledge of the software

      UI designers UI
      >pretty colours, lots of white space

      • #173618
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >lots of white space
        he said, on this website

        • #173630
          Anonymous
          Guest

          why are americans like this?

          • #173695
            Anonymous
            Guest

            they’re obsessed with blacks

        • #173631
          Anonymous
          Guest

          never said it’s a negative. imagine if the red circle on the right was filled with posts or ads…

        • #173687
          Anonymous
          Guest

          the site isn’t gimped on purpose, like most sites that set width to 800px or some crap

    • #173611
      Anonymous
      Guest

      how’d i know coming into this thread there’d be chuds going "UHH TOP SOUL BOTTOM SOULLESS FUNCTION OVER FORM"

      • #173632
        Anonymous
        Guest

        what’s wrong with this, scrotebrain?

        • #173633
          Anonymous
          Guest

          his picrel actually looked halfway tolerable except for using the circular radio button shape for what ought to be square checkboxes. and besides centering the group labels, I actually can’t find anything else to criticize.
          But you know, that’s because that show’s visual designer (they probably had one or more designers specialized to "computer shit", come to think about it) was the real creator, and they weren’t really thinking about emulating autism, just doing their job.

          • #173636
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >except for using the circular radio button shape for what ought to be square checkboxes
            checkboxes and radio buttons have a completely different use case and in your screen radio buttons are obviously the only correct choice

            stop posting, you dumb freaking scrotebrain

            • #173658
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I was talking about the pied piper interface. If you think that one "post process" whatever thing is fine staying circular instead of needing to be square, you must have some sort of ability to photosynthesize stupidity or something.

            • #173659
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Very seriously, have you been screened for autism?

      • #173635
        Anonymous
        Guest

        what’s wrong with information density?

        • #173685
          Anonymous
          Guest

          it’s an anti pattern in onions design. i work in accounting, we use a web-woke af "cloud" software to manage some of our accounting data. the provider released an update that significantly increased the padding on everything, so now you have to click the pagination "next" button a dozen times to see the same amount of information that was once visible on a single page. it’s like they designed accounting software for freaking ipad/touchpad scrotebrains.

          • #173691
            Anonymous
            Guest

            thats not information density sounds like the opposite

        • #173723
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Because you are only looking for one thing and have to actively ignore 80% of whats being shown in the screen.
          Why not hide that clutter if you don’t plan to use it ?

          You could even apply this to code refactoring, no one likes scrolling a monolith of 80k lines of code just to find what you are working on.

    • #173614
      Anonymous
      Guest

      SOMETIMES they can make a good looking UI but overall experience is usually more complicated than ideal on the user side unless they’ve had exp in UX. Not just reading articles, either – the whole shebang.

    • #173617
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yeah ok dumb ass scrote lets see you stupid ux whores design a bulk rename tool with good UI and all the functionality as in that top example. freaking clueless un-professional talentless pumkin head muppet scrotes

      • #173621
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I oughta bill you.

      • #173622
        Anonymous
        Guest

        lol stay mad
        sounds boring anyway, you can keep that one

    • #173620
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Programmers make perfectly fine UIs as long as they’re aimed at advanced users. Anyone can handle that. The difficulty comes when scrotebrains have to be able to use it

      • #173625
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >as long as they’re aimed at themselves
        Corrected that.
        >*screeching*
        OK, or expert users, or users who’ve read the manual. But you can make software for experts that doesn’t need a manual. It just takes a little thought. And saying "it’s for experts" is too often a crutch for not caring about design principles from the other direction, from the "I’m a programmer and my parents bought me a computer when I was 6" direction.

        • #173643
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >But you can make software for experts that doesn’t need a manual. It just takes a little thought.
          Still an entirely different thing from making a truly scrotebrain proof UI.

        • #173734
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You are scrotebrained. I used Bulk Rename Utility when I was 10

      • #173629
        Anonymous
        Guest

        But the real insight is you should be designing for scrotebrains anyway, because we’re all a little scrotebrained from time to time (didn’t get enough sleep, maybe, or on a tight deadline).
        Anyway, your precious little program occupies maybe 1% of my day, and it shouldn’t require any studying or mental effort beyond that. If I were using it for half my day, like a text editor, then you can make me read the manual.

      • #173714
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >code monkey tells itself it’s an advanced user
        o i’m laffin

    • #173623
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No.

      That’s why when building a house,
      you hire both an engineer and an architect
      unless you are poor then you settle for the souless engineer

    • #173624
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I have to design a UI for a school database, and they ask me for something that look like the second picture, with as many buttons and fields as the first picture.
      UI/UX design is worthless if you’re working with dumbfucks

      • #173692
        Anonymous
        Guest

        the ghost stories dub is cringe it makes the show unwatchable

        • #173698
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The Ghost Stories dub is the only part about it that makes it worth watching.

          • #173702
            Anonymous
            Guest

            nah its a decent show without it

            • #173704
              Anonymous
              Guest

              It’s really not

    • #173627
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Here’s another thing. Your program should have the ability to be used by beginners as well as experts. If I need six clicks to do a common task, die. But if I put a reasonably smart fellow in front of your program and they can’t really figure it out, or they can’t find what they want quickly, you also failed.
      >the top one is actually pretty easy to understand, though
      Yes. Because you are freaking moving FILES. One step beyond turning the computer on. Pat yourself on the back. If these design "principles" were applied to anything more complicated, you’d end up with, well, most programmer-designed user interfaces.

    • #173628
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >what you get when 10x engineers design the user interface

      • #173637
        Anonymous
        Guest

        are you dissing Emacs UI? I see nothing wrong with it.

      • #173660
        Anonymous
        Guest

        disgusting mishmashed UI 0/10 would barf
        just use VS it’s already the perfect IDE

    • #173634
      Anonymous
      Guest

      imagine comparing an advanced bulk renamer to a meme (((pc cleaner)))

    • #173638
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Bulk renamer is great for whenever i need it. Everything is within plain view i don’t have to remember shit. A glance is enough to figure out what i need and get it done.

    • #173639
      Anonymous
      Guest

      What does software UI have to do with city planning?

    • #173640
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Let me guess, you need more?

    • #173650
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Text User Interface is peak user interface

    • #173651
      Anonymous
      Guest

      those apps have very different target markets.

    • #173652
      Anonymous
      Guest
    • #173654
      Anonymous
      Guest

      These are 2 extremes and both are shit in their own way.

    • #173655
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I can’t

    • #173664
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Perhaps the options on the top one look too complicated but the simple grey square design is way better than the colorful shitty rounded resource expensive, ‘designer’ one.

    • #173668
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Anyone who thinks the top one is good is dumb. A file managing software where less than 10% of the window is reserved to displaying the files is completely freaking idiotic.
      All those fieldsets should have been turned into tabs and the file view expanded.
      The useless title bar should be removed (it’s what the window title is for).
      That way there would be more room to breathe for the form elements and we wouldn’t have to try and guess whatever the fuck the R button does.

      • #173669
        Anonymous
        Guest

        it’s not a file manager

        • #173670
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >renaming files in bulk is not managing them

          • #173671
            Anonymous
            Guest

            that pane just shows you a preview of the renaming operation
            you don’t use it to manipulate files so there’s no reason it shouldn’t occupy a minority of the space

    • #173672
      Anonymous
      Guest

      But the top one is very readable, everything is always in the same space and there’s good contrast between UI elements. It follows the guidelines so users instinctively know where to look for things like the exit button for example.
      The bottom is divided into several tabs/modes, there are a lot of UI elements with similar colours that blend in and the "Hello, XYZ" banner is completely unnecessary. The bottom one also reinvents the wheel for no reason and puts the exit button in the bottom left instead of top right/light that is default for Windows/macOS.
      Don’t get me wrong, I like clean UI and don’t think UI/UX designers are a meme but the bottom one is worse than the top one. The only thing the bottom one has over the top one is the eye candy.

      • #173674
        Anonymous
        Guest

        most importantly the bottom one doesn’t distinguish between interactive and non-interactive elements
        i don’t believe for a second that it was conceived by an actual interface designer that deserves that title

    • #173673
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The chad grey all-in-one-screen with no life interface vs. The virgin cool and clean interface

    • #173675
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Can programmers make a good UI?
      No, the meme is 100% true iv seen it with my own eyes. The dude was a mastermind, he programed in an incredible speed and was very smart, he made a program worse looking that your pick.

      My theory is that this type of people lack social skills so they dont know how to express them self’s and as a result you get those UIs.

      Also the UI of the bottom is totally useless, every single element gives me zero info about whats currently happening, its just a place UI.

    • #173676
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Dashboard-style interfaces suck balls, they’re just awful in general

    • #173677
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Those UIs are both ugly, cluttered messes. Nothing comes close to the Chad simplicity and elegance of pic related UI.

      • #173678
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >those buttons

      • #173694
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >3 buttons at the top
        bloat

    • #173681
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Billions of hours in a shitty phone image editor

      • #173682
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Now this thread is complete.

      • #173699
        Anonymous
        Guest

        First one more like this

        • #173705
          Anonymous
          Guest

          second one more like this

    • #173684
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >I need round corners and colorful buttons because I’m a toddler using a computer instead of a competent adult.

      • #173697
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Windows forms is fine

    • #173688
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Top:
      >obviously an expert system, intended for users who are willing to take some time to study the interface
      >high information density, most functionality available upfront, discoverable
      >well-suited for people who would be able to use the CLI if they had to, but find this thin layer of GUI helpful
      >some poor layout and labelling decisions (is "D/S" equivalent to checking both "digits" and "symbols"?)
      >sea of options gives too little space for the file browser (but is this the default view, or has someone disingenuously enabled everything to make it look as bad as possible? And would it resize if I enlarged the window?)

      Bottom:
      >initial impression if clean, friendly, the work of a professional designer
      >low information density
      >not very discoverable (what do these icons represent?)
      >unclear utility (what does "Updating Monitoring: Applications 50%" mean? Does it mean applications represent 50% of the space I’m using? Is that relatively good, bad? Is there something I can or should do about it?)
      >poor use of space even considering the low density (is that a hamburger menu within the header of each of the four centre-right "other functions" blocks? What does it do?)

      Neither look like examples of good design to me. I’d rather use the former if it were something I needed for work and would use daily/become highly familiar with. I’d rather use the latter if I just needed to accomplish some simple one-off task.

    • #173689
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Top: a Shuttle control panel for what should have been a simple REPL. It’s a work of schizo, not a programmer.
      Bottom: a work of an UI designer, not an UX designer

      Both are freaking terrible to use

    • #173690
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I was playing ff7 yesterday and was impressed by how responsive the menu was. You press a button and the cursor moves on the same frame. It’s the fastest UI I’ve used in years, that’s how slow everything is now.

      • #173696
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >that party
        patrician.

        […]

        I won’t lie, top has a certain charm that you just don’t see anymore these days. Software written by autists is software you can trust to do exactly what they’re supposed to do. Autists are huge on the purity of function, so when you see the UI in top, you can generally be assured that there is no telemetry. But like other anons have pointed out ITT, bottom looks like it’s about to tell you that it’s locked your file system and that you need to pay a Nigerian prince a thousand dollars to unlock it.

      • #173700
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Red 13 only run, when?

      • #173771
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Yeah, did a full playthrough of FFVII not too long ago on my PS4. Really is nice having responsiveness like that, helps a lot with muscle memory for basic tasks.

    • #173693
      Anonymous
      Guest

      lmao I actually use BRU almost every day.

    • #173701
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >UI
      That’s UX sweetie. It largely depends on the userbase.

      • #173706
        Anonymous
        Guest

        No, it’s UI.
        UX includes the UI, but also covers EVERYTHING in how the user and application interact.

    • #173703
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Programmers make the UI in the end anyway.

    • #173707
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Programs are tools, I don’t want the prettiest drill I want the most reliable one that’s also the easiest to use.
      UI/UX designers forget about the X so they can get favorites on dribble, the UI on top feels decent enough, it’s cramped but that shouldn’t be a problem with high resolution displays, that’s also another problem with UI designers, everything has to be mobile friendly

    • #173709
      Anonymous
      Guest

      thanks, but I’ll be sticking with the command line

    • #173710
      Anonymous
      Guest

      the bottom one doesn’t even look like a native macos application, more like a yet another hard to use tablet UI garbage app.

      • #173713
        Anonymous
        Guest

        It’s from dribbble, it’s full of mockups from people who haven’t done a design for an actual application in their life. And those people have full blown metas there and trends and shit, and them companies like mozilla or twitter go in and follow their memes for their actual product new design.

    • #173715
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The bottom UI gives me the creeps, like watching a person forcing a smile.

    • #173716
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Some can, some can’t.

      By the way, the first one isn’t an example of a bad UI. It’s not "pretty", but everything is clearly explained and laid out in front of you.

      A bad UI is characterized by inconsistent paradigms and lack of coherency between visual cues and functionality.

      • #173717
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >By the way, the first one isn’t an example of a bad UI.
        Lmao

        • #173719
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It’s a form system that constructs regular expressions from fields The only reason to use it is because you’re too scrotebrained to use a compositional interface like a CLI. It is utterly unremarkable.

          If you don’t understand the difference between a bad looking user interface, and a bad quality user interface, then I’m afraid you lack the philosophical fundamentals to even have this conversation.

          • #173725
            Anonymous
            Guest

            If you don’t understand why the ui on the top is freaking terrible, you should never discuss any interface, UI or UX topics at all until you do.

            • #173726
              Anonymous
              Guest

              It’s not terrible. It’s powerful and simple. Besides that’s not the default. By default, everything is disabled. You only have to check the box you want (say, Auto Date).

              It’s giving users the power of the command line with the simplicity of a GUI. Bulk Rename Utility is a highly acclaimed program because there’s nothing like it. It also has a command line version BTW.

              The bottom example is useless shovelware and it’s not even clear what it does.

    • #173724
      Anonymous
      Guest

      looks like software engineers should design the user interface

    • #173727
      Anonymous
      Guest

      BRU’s interface is abstruse and overwhelming, I could never figure out how it works. Advanced Renamer is much easier to use and still plenty powerful.
      (tip for the macscrotes: A Better Finder Rename is similar to this.)

    • #173728
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Too much white space in the bottom one, bad to my eyes and brain

    • #173730
      Anonymous
      Guest

      BRU is good UI though. Super simple even a toddler would understand how to use it.

    • #173735
      Anonymous
      Guest

      so is this the webshitter cope thread?

    • #173738
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >top: Soul
      >bottom: Soulless

    • #173739
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yes, they make the best UIs. Its the UX designers who make the ugly unusable shit.

    • #173741
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Software engineers make a UI suitable for straight white men. UX designers make a UI that only appeals to scrotes, women and scrotes and is mostly useless. A story as old as time itself.

      • #173742
        Anonymous
        Guest

        back, scrote

        • #173752
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Speak the Queen’s, chud. I can’t understand you when your mouth is full of cocks.

      • #173755
        Anonymous
        Guest

        woke af af

      • #173759
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Woke af

    • #173743
      Anonymous
      Guest

      If people just stuck to more native toolkits and didn’t bother with webapps and shit like electron, UI design as a profession would have zero demand. Even an autistic scrotebrain can put together something usable and attractive with GTK, Qt, Flutter, Cocoa, etc. The problem starts when you try to make something flashy in freaking CSS.

      • #173766
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Ok so why is this jot true on mobile?

      • #173768
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Ok so why is this jot true on mobile?

        he’s a sperg who can’t comprehend that nobody likes his autistic linux gui toolkits
        partly because C++ is a shit way to define a GUI, and everyone knows declarative is the way to go
        and partly because all of these toolkits have a really shitty state and event systems

        in reality the billions of dollars in development in the past decade has gone to webshit, and so webshit is at the bleeding edge of GUI design, and so if you were going to take any notes on how to design a GUI framework, you’d take it from woke afdevs and not cniles

    • #173744
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Bulk Rename Utility is woke af.
      That bottom one looks cringe.

    • #173745
      Anonymous
      Guest

      why the fuck would I need to register just to use a system clean utility?

    • #173746
      Anonymous
      Guest

      yes

      • #173747
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I need that how is that called.

        • #173750
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It’s a simple 50 line long python script scrotebrain make your own

          • #173751
            Anonymous
            Guest

            50 lines for that? lmao

            • #173756
              Anonymous
              Guest

              It has smart functions, that’s why

              • #173760
                Anonymous
                Guest

                for example?

    • #173748
      Anonymous
      Guest

      .The image is a useless comparison of two entierly different kinds of app. Though I don’t care much for either interface.

      There is a field which is actually rooted in science and aiming to make for a good user experience. It’s called Human-Computer Interaction. Its scions have backgrounds in psychology and cognitive science, often doctoral degrees. They build fantastic interfaces.

      UX design on the other hand is largely voodoo and fashion, with almost no deferal even to deductive reasoning from basic principles of cognition, let alone to controlled experiments. It’s just ego-driven bullshit.

      It is a trash field which is dragging software into a new dark age.

    • #173749
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The one below looks like a restaurant flyer.

    • #173754
      Anonymous
      Guest

      what are some examples that successfully combine function and aesthetic?

      • #173757
        Anonymous
        Guest

        gnome

    • #173758
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No, but I can download a template and make a good UX.

    • #173761
      Anonymous
      Guest

      yes, have you seen bvckup ui? look at the site for more example, esp the logging

    • #173762
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Lmao this thread just proves programmers are useless without creatives and business people leading them

    • #173763
      Anonymous
      Guest

      1st for me

    • #173765
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Letting dumbasses with graphic design degrees design UIs was the ultimate mistake.

    • #173769
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >dev creates utility program
      >design creates dashboard
      seems about right

    • #173770
      Anonymous
      Guest

      First one is probably that guy throwing shit together, second one is probably made by a team of people.

    • #173772
      Anonymous
      Guest

      modern UI and UX people should be dragged out into the street and shot. this shit was figured out 30+ years ago

    • #173773
      Anonymous
      Guest

      if you think the bottom one is a better UI+UX than the top, you’re blinded by the theming.

      they’re both ugly, but top is better, which is relatively impressive given that it is solving a much more complex problem.

      for the bottom ask yourself what each section’s purpose is, why are they organized that way into those specific sections, why those visualizations are used, what’s clickable, if it seems like two visualizations on there are presenting the exact same data (or arguably no particularly useful data), and what you would say the purpose of this tab is.

    • #173774
      Anonymous
      Guest

      sometimes yes
      mostly no
      if I’m creating an app to use myself it will have good design and good ux.

    • #173775
      Anonymous
      Guest

      if I’m creating an app to use myself it will have a single button that says "do the thing"

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